Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
August 24, 2004
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is
Tuesday and it is the 24th of August 2004. I am glad you are with us this evening. We have a guest this
evening, folks, and I think there are many of our long-time listeners who will be delighted to know that our
guest is with us. For those of you who are newer listeners, you heard me mention the name many times.
I want to do first our spiritual message. I’m going to do this twice, it’s in the New Testament, it’s in the red,
it is attributed to the words of Jesus. The first one here is from Luke 8, verse 16:
“No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but
setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light. For nothing is secret which will not be
made manifest; neither anything hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. Take heed therefore how ye
hear: for whosoever has, to him shall be given; and whosoever has not, from him shall be taken even that
which he seems to have.”
I’m going to go over to Matthew 5 where he is quoted as saying pretty much the same thing a little bit
differently:
“Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid. Ye are the light of the world.
A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid, and neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but on
a candlestick; and it gives light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they
may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.” And Jesus told us that the Kingdom
of God is within us, didn’t he folks? I take that very seriously and I take it literally.
Our guest is Mr. Alan Watt from Canada, and welcome back to Sweet Liberty.
Alan: It’s a pleasure to be here.
Jackie: The last few conversations we’ve had since we’ve been it touch again, as always, have been not just
delightful, but always meaningful. I appreciate your coming on with us. Let me ask you a question. When I
was reading from Luke that verse where “nothing is secret that shall not be made manifest, neither anything
hid but shall not be known and come abroad” and then it says, ” Take heed therefore how ye hear: for
whosoever has, to him shall be given; and whosoever has not, from him shall be taken even that which he
seems to have.” Do you understand that?Would you help me with that?
Alan: I think people have to understand that the mystery religion of the ages is wrapped around all
religions; and if you have “gained the spirit” as they say, more is given to you; but if you have not attained
spirit, then even the soul is taken from you.
Jackie: When you say “attained spirit”, would you say spiritual awareness, spiritual consciousness?
Alan: That’s all part of it.
Jackie: I found where he had said that “fear not those who can kill the body but not the soul, but fear those
who can–
Alan: Kill the body and the soul.”
Jackie: When I read that, it really was quite frightening, because until then it really wasn’t even a thought in
my mind that a person could lose their soul. The battle that has been going on for all these centuries is not
just a battle for world dominion over the physical, but over the aspects of our mind, our entire soul.
Alan: In the old religion, and this is the key to all of this, in the old mystery religion that pre-existed all the
religions that we have today, the person who sought hard enough with their soul, if they sought hard
enough, would attain spirit. Spirit wasn’t born with you, that’s what they believed; and so as you attained
the knowledge, the spirit that was your spirit came closer to you, so it merged; and that was called
“complete life” when you had body, soul and spirit in the one. That was the first trinity. Those who took over
the system and warped everything and changed everything, their goal is to deny people from gaining spirit
basically and to be zombies, good worker bees.
Jackie: Where that is confusing to me is that it has not been a thought in my mind – each and every one of
us in this physical form is actually a spiritual nature animating the physical form – and I can’t imagine a
human here without being that spiritual being of Creator.
Alan: You see, this was the supposed mystery of the soul and the spirit. The soul was the animating force
that gave life and made you seek out truth, and so life was supposed to be a journey, always looking for the
ultimate truth; and when people pass a certain stage, thoughts would flow to them with crystal clarity that
they never had before, and that was attainment of spirit. It’s even wrapped in the Christian version when
they get the Holy Ghost. It’s the same thing. The Holy Spirit and so that was completion you might say.
Everyone has the ability to communicate to that part of the Creator. However, those who rule the world and
warped everything and gave us religion have attempted to squash the natural ability to find your own course
towards that spirit. That’s what it’s about.
Jackie: In other words, the religions that we have been given have really promulgated a sense of
separateness, specialness. I know that a lot of people quote Paul a lot where he said you’re only going to
get there by grace alone and your good works mean nothing; and then, in the red, attributed to Jesus, he
said let your works glorify your father. Not like that’s going to get you to heaven because actually heaven –
If the Kingdom of God is within us, that’s where it’s all at. So it isn’t like going some place, is it?
Alan: It is and it isn’t at the same time, because your whole life does change as you go through your life’s
journey. Wherever you go, you always bring yourself along with you; and part of the problem is with
shedding the old to attain the new. The attainment of spirit is a desire. They used to say it was the love of
the soul for the spirit. It was the love of the soul that drove it on; and then you gained more enlightenment,
not perfect enlightenment because you can’t in this world. The world is tainted to an extent, but it drew you
much, much closer and so your life’s journey was really a preparation for what went on afterwards; and of
course, in this society we have today they’ve crushed all hope of that. They made us think of the purely
material and the scientists basically and the experts have taken over the natural religions you might say.
Now we have a scientific elite religion with its own destination, which is the so-called “Great Work of
Masonry,” which is to complete that which they say was left imperfect: and that’s the world and everything
in it, including us ourselves.
Jackie: So in other words, that when Creator created he didn’t do it good enough?
Alan: Not for these characters, no. You see, once you step out of Eden, which is paradise, in other words;
it’s nature. Once you step out and you start making tools and so-called improvements, you’re on the road to
science; and science is a one-way street towards oblivion ultimately, because you cannot have science coexisting
with free will eventually. The ancient scientists, or you can call them priests if you want, for an
example is Babylon, and they had a lot of knowledge of the scientific world basically couched in religious
terminology. They also said that through understanding nature, meaning breaking nature down to its
primary components, and then by manipulating it, they could recreate man and make him better; and that
role has never changed. That’s why we’re on a one-way street towards massive genetic manipulation, where
the elite will have physical immortality. That’s what they’re after, and the rest will be purpose-made clones
basically, and this is documented. It’s not guesswork. There’s many scientific papers out right now about all
of this, so there’s a goal and it’s all being done through science and the manipulation of matter.
Jackie: When you said when we left Eden and we began to make tools, I tried to picture myself trying to
garden with a spade or you understand what I’m saying. But basically in Eden then, what would have been
paradise, we didn’t have to garden because it was all there?
Alan: Yes. Eden is an allegory for perfect nature, but man himself is not satisfied with it. Once you start on
the road of discovery or science and breaking down the secrets of nature, you’re on a one-way street to an
elite eventually dominating everybody on the planet and changing life itself, which is all on the books. They
do want to make purpose-made types of humans to serve these elite in the very near future. Purpose-made
clones basically to serve these elite in the very near future and it’s well documented in all the scientific
journals.
Jackie: Do you think that was done in the past?
Alan: I think so. We know for instance that the inoculation program was never given to help people. It was
given literally to lobotomize the public as we went through massive transitions and it kept us placid and
pretty stupid all through these transitions. A dumbed-down society is easy to manipulate.
Gloria: I have a few questions for your guest. I’m a Christian now and I know the part where Jesus says
that no one comes to the Father-Creator except through me,so that’s why I’m a Christian now. I used to be,
I know this sounds crazy, but I used to be a former abductee, as god as my witness. I had many
experiences with the UFOs, I’ve seen them, I’ve gone through so much for about four or five years. Anyway,
when I became a Christian now, all that went away. That’s why I became a Christian: I needed that
protection. I wanted to ask: Where do the UFOs, those unseen forces out there fit in with your New Age
philosophy? What about the communist courts that control Canada? Canada is like so filthy and degraded
and evil, there is evil everywhere there, and in America. What is your opinion of the Jews today, the Khazar
Jews that are just causing hell everywhere, and what’s the answer is for us people who want to know about
the New Age, your New Age philosophy?
Jackie: Gosh, that was a mouthful, wasn’t it, Alan?
Alan: It’s standard.
Jackie: How would you answer first to the New Age? I read a book about the Knights Templar; towards the
end of the book they begin talking about the New Age; and to me, that there is a turning, but they know it
and take control of it and they guided and led it.
Alan: Sure they do.
Jackie: What people call New Age so often is where the truth is being hidden amongst the lies.
Alan: Always. When truth is exposed that’s been kept hidden from the public, it’s always given to leaders
who are the shepherds and they led us along the way they want us to go, always; and the thing is, the New
Age is always becoming new. Jesus started a new covenant. That was a New Age. The Old Covenant was
the Old Age. Jesus’ reign was supposedly the Age of Pisces, the fish. Now it’s into Aquarius. However, this
again is only a timetable of the hidden elite that run the show.
Jackie: In other words, the way they configure it, about every couple thousand years we’re moving into a
“New Age.”
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: How do you respond to Gloria in her question to you about “your New Age philosophy”?
Alan: Once you become anything and join a group that has a tailor-made formula, anything outside that
group becomes the enemy, including all individuals with their own philosophy, so it doesn’t worry me that
she says “your New Age” because it isn’t mine anyway. And as far as communist Canada, I think she was
calling from New York, wasn’t she? Well, I think that says it all; it’s no secret that communism was run and
led and financed from New York, all through its existence. She should wonder what “Empire State” they’re
talking about. What empire are they talking about?
Jackie: Communists in Canada, whoever is in control of this world or certainly appears that they are;
communism was created by those creatures. Capitalism was created by those creatures; all of the “isms” are
a creation of them. All right, the statement: “no one comes to the father but through me.”
Alan: Well, Jesus said it all. He said to his followers “I am in you, as you are in me; as the father is in me,
he is in you as well.”
Jackie: And “no one comes to the father but through me.” In my “interpretation” it sounds to me like he’s
saying “listen to me, listen to what I am telling you.”
Alan: That’s very important because again we get transfixed on a singular human being, but it’s also the
pathway basically. The road to enlightenment can only go in that one direction and through that direction,
and that’s what that means.
Jackie: His message that he brought; that’s what that’s always meant to me.
Alan: You can’t go through it any other way. In other words, no matter how many people diverge from the
course, if they were to meet up again at the same stage, they would all have had to come back on that one
course to be the same.
Jackie: The path that he more or less trod out.
Alan: “Truth” we’re told today is whatever your opinion is.
Jackie: Truth in Black’s Law Dictionary – actually one of the definitions is that truth is consistency of thought
within itself; so, if we think it long enough and hard enough and keep saying it, that’s truth; so truth could
be anything.
Alan: That’s what Pontius Pilot asked Jesus, “What is truth?” However, as far as the communist thing goes,
it’s all rubbish because it’s simply the dialectic, which causes conflict, which causes faster change and this is
planned by the same bunch that created both of them. Carroll Quigley said it all. He said you can get more
accomplished in five years of warfare on a social scale than you can in 50 years of peace; and so, by
understanding the laws of nature, which is this yin and yang type deal, using both of them, you can actually
steer the course of planet earth and speed up the process. That’s what they believe and they actually do it
that way. They live by timetables.
Jackie: Gloria sounded a bit challenging in her questions; she was misunderstanding what you were talking
about. She’s called in before. I think what she was doing was misunderstanding that what you were talking
about was not “a belief” system but what they believed and how they are working under that belief system.
Alan: We’re dealing with people who have their own inner religion. Albert Pike, the high Mason said all this,
that every church – he didn’t say some churches, he said every church has the exoteric for the bulk of the
people, the masses and the esoteric for the very elite.
Jackie: Esoteric meaning an inner meaning; and exoteric meaning an outer, a sensible meaning
Alan: Masonry is the same. He said Masonry also has its outer group, which is in a sense camouflaged, and
it has its inner elite with its own agenda.
Jackie: Yes and he said the outer courts – he called it the outer courts, the exoteric, the lower degrees, that
they believe that they understand and they’re meant to believe that they understand what’s actually going
on; when in reality they’re nothing more than window dressings.
Alan: Yes. In fact he said “we know no more than the general public.” What they do know is that they help
each other to get on with unmerited favor to do with jobs and so on.
Jackie: In the Protocols they call it ‘show masonry’ and that those ‘goyim’ who are attracted to it want to be
in it so that they can throw sand in their brother’s faces.
Alan: They can because they get unmerited favor through employment and pay raises and they bypass
bureaucratic offices and so on, and can get a lot of things done that you would have to pay through the
nose to get done. Yes, they get a lot of perks and so it does attract a very basic type of person.
Jackie: –A materialistic type person. Gloria did ask for you to address the UFO situation and how it fits into
all these things.
Alan: The UFO deal, we have a puzzle because we had sciences on earth here that were far in advance of
what we’re told. Who knows how long they’ve been here with their physical sciences? On the other hand,
too many people have had visitations with these “beings.” I haven’t met one yet who had a visitation where
anything of import has been given to them. They haven’t come away from the encounter any brighter or
wiser than they were before.
Jackie: Do you mean “abductees”?
Alan: “Abductees”…again, I’m sort of skeptical of the amount of people who say they’ve been abducted.
They’ve had studies and they found under hypnosis with test groups – some who claim they had been, and
members of the general population who had no idea at all – and they found out with the same hypnotists
they had the same number of people claiming they had encounters from the group who had no record of it,
so there’s form of suggestion going on here, too.
Jackie: I’ve always believed that there’s life of some form, maybe not humanoid but life on other planets. I
mean it’s just arrogance to believe that we are the only life form on the only planet and these myriads of
universes, but I’ve also thought about this ability that exists to literally give us false memories.
Alan: You’re right on that because some of the higher Masons belong to what they call Triangles. They
belong to groups and they’re set up in triangles in different parts of the country, and they do, in the much,
much higher Masonry, force their will upon the general population within that triangle; and I have some of
their books.
Jackie: In what way, how do they force their will? What does this have to do with UFOs?
Alan: You’re talking about how people are so fascinated by it, but did you have an encounter or did
something put that in your head, and that’s what we’re really asking. If it did get popped into your head,
where did it come from?
Jackie: I had a series of dreams, three of them when I lived in Illinois, and they came very close on one
another. They were very vivid dreams, in one of them I had been taken up in a spaceship, and they were
poking something underneath my fingernails. When I woke up in the morning, the first thing I did was look
to see if I had marks under there. I don’t know what there was about that, but I was a little freaked out.
We’re back folks, and Alan Watt is our guest tonight. For those of you who are new listeners, when Alan
first began coming on as a guest – this is back in 1998 – we did a series, we didn’t plan on doing a series
but listeners kept calling an saying “keep him on.” At that time, that weren’t good telephone rates and there
were listeners who actually sponsored the costs of Alan calling from Canada to be on the air with us. I want
you to know this, you’ve heard me mention this many times, when he was on with us originally, in a sense
what he did was take us all out of the dark ages, with history, ancient history. We really never got into more
current history with Alan, other than sometimes talking about current happenings. I would like you to
consider just listening, and if you have questions, ask. Alan and I have not communicated in quite a while.
One of the things he said to me, after we were talking after a long period of time, he said “you’re in a rut,”
and I felt offended when he said that, but I knew what he was saying was right, except the use of the word
“rut” I wasn’t getting. When we talked another time, I asked him to define what he meant by “rut.” He said
“you’ve come to a point, and you haven’t gone beyond it.” That I knew was the truth. Folks, to me, there’s
nothing today more important than us understanding, or getting closer to understanding, who in fact we
really are. This thing that we call “religion,” you’ve heard me say it, I know that I’ve stepped on many toes
when I have said that religions were created by man, I knew that before Alan Watt said it. I don’t say it as a
parrot, I knew that when I was 15 years old that something was very wrong. I knew when I was a little girl
that something wasn’t right with this world. I grew up in a Lutheran church and every time I went to our
pastor to ask him a question, and it didn’t matter whether it was in Flint, Michigan or Chicago or where I
was, they patted me on the arm (figuratively) and then changed the subject because my questions bothered
them. I finally stopped going to church because I knew weren’t getting the truth.
(Call)
You’re on the air.
Eleanor: Alan was about to expand on what he meant by the Masonic triangles and forcing their influence
on people. I’d love to hear his details on that.
Alan: I’ve got it in a few of the insider Freemason books, not the type you buy on a shelf counter at some
big bookstore. Some of the ones come from the high theosophists, for instance, which is just one branch of
it, and they go through this process where they control the thoughts of the world by imposing their
perfected will, they tell you, by the way, on the public within the range of their triangle. They have in North
America for instance broken up into triangles and they have major lodges at the points of the triangle in
each area, and they meet on certain occasions at night and go through all this ‘will-power projection’, you
might call it. Some of them certainly do it mentally. The theosophists claim that their major triangles are
based in New York City, London and Switzerland and they are bringing the agenda further on, they claim.
They also use predictive programming through entertainment, so that ideas that would seem absurd if
presented in a factual non-fictional way you would reject it out-of-hand or even rebel against, but when you
see things through fictionalization and comedy you don’t retaliate when the actual thing occurs in reality.
Jackie: In other words, we don’t resist it.
Alan: It’s called predictive programming, from Tavistock
Jackie: Can you think of an example to give on that?
Alan: To do with the ‘gender-bending’ let’s say. That was all done through comedy and taking sexuality into
a more open arena step-by-step, until you’re watching programs now that hide very little; and of course they
are going to go the whole way, ultimately, on TV and that will become standard fare. So the breakdown of
the moral codes of the individual and then introduce the new; and when anything goes, then literally
anything goes. You have nothing to hold on to when there are no rights and wrongs any more. It’s
‘relativism’ as they call it.
Jackie: What we have to hold on to is what’s in out heart, what we know is the difference between right and
wrong.
Alan: We must hang on to who we are.
Jackie: And who are we?
Alan: You have to find out who you are. That’s the journey because most people are composites.
Jackie: Many aspects of self, is that what you mean by “composite”?
Alan: Most of it is actually downloading, like Zbigniew Brzezinski said in the “Technetronic Era” and
remember who he was, he was up there in the War Department of the U.S. He said, apart from all the high
technology they had back in the ’60’s that would eventually be used on the whole world to control the mind.
He did say that people shortly would be unable to form an opinion by themselves. Now they could fight and
die and hold on to those opinions, but it would never occur to them, they’ve never researched a single one
for themselves, because it all was downloaded through the nightly news for them. It’s true. I mean
everyone’s got a thousand opinions. They’ll argue about them but they’ve never researched any of them for
themselves. That’s part composite, you see. It’s been manufactured for them, so that there is part of their
personality, which is fake to begin with. It’s not them at all, and the rest of it is training through school and
media, entertainment and so on.
Jackie: This is a book titled “The Cause of World Unrest” and there’s a quote here about the Bolshevik policy
is to kill industry so that unemployment, want and discontent will continue. “Read the old revolutionary
maxim on which they act today. Want and opinion are the two agents which make all men act. Cause the
want, govern opinion and you will overturn all the existing systems however well constituted they may
appear. Cause the want and then govern the opinion.
Alan: Yes. We’re always being told what the solution is to whatever they give to us.
Jackie: We’re always being told what we think, too.
Alan: The next day everyone’s chatting about what they heard on the news the previous day.
Jackie: Actually they talk about what they think, because they’ve been told what they think. In a
conversation with my nephew, when he was talking about the Houston Chronicle, he didn’t like it, he said,
because there was too much editorializing. I said I thought there were some decent articles for a
newspaper, a controlled medium. He said, but we don’t need to be told what to think. I said the problem is
that people think that they have their own thoughts, but they don’t. He turned around and said to me – this
was during the Monica Lewinsky thing, I’ve heard this said over and over again on CNN – let’s use this Bill
Clinton thing for an example, “We don’t care what he’s done, we just want this whole thing over and we
want him to get back to the business of running this country.” And Alan, my heart just fell because he said it
word for word, the way he was told that the American people think.
Alan: The public are given their thoughts, and that’s everyone, and you have to break free from all of the
conditioning and to think for yourself and ignore all the trivia that they give you. Governments are not real.
They’re just fronts and it doesn’t matter what side they think they’re on; they’re all just fronts, absolutely all
of them. It doesn’t matter which country you choose – they’re all puppets.
Jackie: I remember reading a quote somewhere, and I think that there was a time when I wouldn’t have
even seen this, that the governments are supposed to make laws according to the consent of the governed.
Basically, what we were saying is, you govern us so you better do what we want. It literally referred to
ourselves as “the governed.”
Alan: The governments are not the bosses. During the whole Cold War Era, isn’t it amazing that they were
creating a United Europe, unbeknownst to all the people who lived within Europe? They were creating a
Unified Africa. They were creating a Unified Pacific Rim block and they were creating a Unified Americas.
Jackie: Guess what, the first of all of those Unifieds were the United States of America.
Alan: Well of course. That’s its purpose.
Jackie: All of us who were born in America, the “United States”, it never occurred to me when they were
talking about the European Union, “All those countries are going to lose their sovereignty” and it happened
here a long time ago.
Alan: Jefferson said it and so did Franklin. They said “this country is founded on the basis of federation,
which will eventually be a federated world under a government of 12 wise men”. That’s in Jefferson’s
writings. They knew exactly where they were going.
Jackie: Jefferson was a Phi Beta Kappa, I understand.
Alan: He was also an open member of the Illuminati.
Jackie: My understanding was the Phi Beta Kappa was one of those college fraternities where a lot of the
elite were turned out.
Alan: In fact, if you look at Elihu Yale, who donated the money for the foundation of Yale University, he
said, “We are setting up these universities to create the types of leaders who will lead this country into the
future.” In other words, they were training them before the revolution. Elihu Yale made his money from the
British East India Company. He was one of the founding members. These guys are all in it together and they
have created the future they wanted. The U.S. just has to finish the job it’s been designed to do, and as
they’re doing it, they’re getting the U.S. ready to collapse into the system that they helped create.
Jackie: We’ve got a lot of new listeners since you’ve been on. You said a lot of outrageous and audacious
and almost unbelievable things; then our listeners starting doing research and started sending me stuff and
saying, “Look at this. This is exactly what Alan was talking about.” The reason I’m bringing this up is
because you do say some things that sound so off the wall that it “just couldn’t be true.” However, in the
books that you put together, it isn’t just your writing explaining what is in the book, it is copies out of old,
ancient books. You said at one time that their plan is to actually morph humanity so that we’ll all be
hermaphrodites. I said many times, and I know you probably remember this, I used to say to our listeners,
just because Alan Watt says this doesn’t mean it’s so, and I couldn’t verify it because I don’t have the
information at hand. In other words, don’t take it to the bank. But you had it in one of your books. Then I
got a book that was written in the 1950’s and in there was exactly what you were talking about, how they
could create a hermaphrodite.
Alan: The American Psychiatric Association put a book out in the ’60’s after being funded by the U.S.
government for a two-year study on this very subject. The latter part of the book was all about the creation
of the hermaphrodite in order to have “world peace,” and they go through all this in detail. It’s called The
Human Agenda and you can’t get much more official than that. There was a movement started up in the
U.S. with people born since 1950’s onwards, and they managed through the Freedom of Information Act to
get their medical records. They’d all been born to hermaphroditic, male and female. They all lived around
U.S. Naval bases and one of their parents or sometimes both were in the Navy. The mothers when they
were expecting were all given special inoculations, they were told, and supplements because they lacked
certain things and their children all end up hermaphroditic (having sexual organs of both male and female).
In three states alone in the U.S., they’ve now found 10,000 people that have had this done to them
basically. I caught it on a radio show just a few weeks ago. It’s a fairly recent organization but they do have
the declassified records from the U.S. Navy to prove this and back this up. They were using hormonal
treatments on the mothers and it produced these hermaphroditic children. You wonder why the world is in
chaos today, where a lot of women think they’re men and a lot of men think they’re women. I don’t think it’s
by chance. That’s the amazing thing is that this is an agenda when the American Psychiatric Association do a
think-tank study with the best psychiatrists pulled in from all over the world and they conclude that they
must create this kind of society, a hermaphroditic society for world peace. Really we’re living a horror show;
I used to say we live in a Disney movie, but that’s only during the day. It’s a horror show and we’re living
through it. The whole population has been experimented upon in ways they don’t even comprehend because
it’s such high-tech. Now, with the towers going up everywhere, which are designed for mind control
purposes, and this is on main news here, they’re installing these all over the U.S. They’ll be able to work
and broadcast on the same frequency levels as the brain and they hope to pacify people in times of crisis
and this is the reason they’re putting up the towers.
Jackie: This is what was said on the news in Canada. This goes along with a lot of what is in Nick Begich’s
book on the HAARP towers, how they can tune into the frequency of the human brain.
Alan: They’ve had that ability for a long time.
Jackie: Where was it they said they were spraying Prozac?
Alan: That was the mainstream news of CBC Canada on television. It was Rumsfeld who was asked, in one
of these brief clips they show you, what contingency plans he had for another 9/11 deal, and he said, “we
have aerosolized Prozac and Valium ready to go and to be sprayed over the cities.” And I thought, if they
have it ready to go, I wonder if they’re already doing it, because they’re spraying the skies everywhere and
people definitely are far too passive for the changes that are taking place right now. I think the spraying of
the skies alone shows you what you’re up against here because no government will admit to this, that they
are doing it. However, they will admit it’s being done, but not by them.
Jackie: You had explained that to me, they are using the “Open Skies Treaty” as their justification that there
are chemicals being sprayed but it isn’t us doing it.
Alan: Yes, that’s right. It’s like a Dr. Strangelove policy, where we do it somewhere else and someone else
does it to us. When you think of the volume that they must have had stored up to even begin this on a daily
basis, they had to be making this since about 1950 onwards at least, and Dow Chemical and all the big boys
have to be involved for the quantities they’re using and people are being affected by it. We were getting
static shocks all summer when you came out of a vehicle, so much so, they put little blurbs on the news not
to touch your vehicle and the pump at the fill-up station because sparks can fly across. Well that’s impossible
in natural summers because it’s humid and it’s hot. You only get that in the wintertime, but not now. We’re
living in the scientific age.
Jackie: When Dr. Begich was on in ’95, he was talking about some experiments they had done; how they
could cause emotional upheaval.
Alan: They had hand-held weaponry that they could cause this from any distance back in the 1950’s.
Jackie: Before all the towers were up. But he said they could tune it to a frequency. They could make
everybody feel good. They could make people feel angry and they could make them feel suicidal and
homicidal at the flick of switch.
Alan: Yes. They were testing the people of Maine. They say they were the experimental test group for that.
Jackie: Ladies and gentleman, thanks for being with us tonight. We’ll be back again tomorrow with Alan
Watt.
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
August 25, 2004
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Our guest again this evening is Alan Watt. First the spiritual
message from Ephesians 6, beginning with verse 10.
“Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armor of God,
that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual
wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to
withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.”
This was an issue with children and many of you do have children in school. When they get to certain
grades, they have to have certain vaccines; a tetanus vaccine was due, and I got doing some research on it;
children could be opted out of it. The first day of school, half of that class was being sent home because
they didn’t have a tetanus vaccine. Tetanus is not a disease, and yet the children were sent home because
they didn’t have “a tetanus vaccine.” As far as I can ascertain I don’t believe there is a state in these United
States that doesn’t have an opt-out form; the forms are at the schools in the offices and all you have to do is
declare that it is against your religious beliefs. You don’t have to be going to a church. I know that each of
the schools are different, but in this case you didn’t have to have something filled out by a church. All you
had to do was get this one particular form; you can go to Vaccination Liberation. It’s a website; do a search.
I think it’s vaccinationliberation.com; just put in your search engine ‘vaccination liberation’ and you can go
right to it. They’ve got an alphabetical index that’s just beautiful. The website is set up beautifully and it is so
helpful. So this tetanus “vaccine”…there is no immunity and it was in the manufacturers website that in the
United States there has been no immunity built up against this infection. It’s actually an infection. The
bacteria is clostridium tetani; they say that in the United States there is no immunity to it. There’s no
immunity in anybody because tetanus isn’t a disease. It’s an infection that is caused from improper cleaning
of a wound and a tetanus vaccine is not going to build up an immunity for the individual. The vaccine is in
fact a poison itself; they grow the lethal bacteria, clostridium tetani using mercury, that’s thimerosal, as a
preservative and they use embalming fluid, formaldehyde as a detoxifier, so they grow a toxin and then kill it
with formaldehyde. They say it’s a detoxifier and there is one of two different kinds of aluminum in the
vaccines. The thimerosal breaks down in the body to mercury. It is a neurotoxin and, doesn’t that mean toxic
poison to the brain, a neurotoxin?
Alan: Oh yes, the whole nervous system.
Jackie: It is admitted that the aluminum and the thimerosal are both neurotoxins and so if you are still
vaccinating your children, after you hear this tonight, you can get an opt-out form if you children are in
school, because every single one of the vaccines have thimerosal; all of the vaccines use thimerosal as a
preservative and they use formaldehyde in them also. So all you’re doing is injecting these children, these
precious babies that have been given you into your care with poison chemicals and even if they live through
it and they don’t become autistic, because autism has increased, and the autism is connected directly to
these vaccines. So I wanted you to know, and Alan, thank you for being patient with us here.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: According to this one article on the dangers of thimerosal, it’s been known for a long time that it’s a
neurotoxin but it says that it has removed from many across-the-counter medicines such Merthiolate and
contact lens solution.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: It says here that the amount given a six-pound infant in one vaccination would be the equivalent of
giving a 180-pound adult 30 vaccinations in one day.
Alan: Yes. And that’s on a brain that hasn’t grown yet.
Jackie: That’s right and the liver isn’t producing whatever it has to do to get rid of the poisons in the body.
A listener wanted to know if you would address Harry Potter books and what you know about them, pros or
cons.
Alan: Only what I’ve heard on the general media. I’ve seen a couple of the movies and it’s just the old
rehashed stuff that we’ve heard in fairy tales for centuries.
Jackie: We have an article on our website allegedly written by a former witch, and she said that these books
and these movies are not harmless because they are encouraging witchcraft. A lot of children have seen the
movies and say, “I want to be a witch when I grow up,” but she said all of the names of the dormitories
such as Slitherine. She said those are the names of the actual demons that are called up in black magic, so
she said that the children, every time they say it, it’s like they’re calling that demon to them.
Alan: It’s all old Kabbalistic formula. We are at the end of this long-calculated stage that’s been planned for
the world for such a long time and we’re on the brink of a major change as you can see all around us. I
don’t think it will be too pleasant when it all comes down. It’s been planned for such a long, long time by
those in authority worldwide and I think they’re truly meaning to push their whole New Age formula and put
it into effect, to eradicate, as we keep hearing from the Rockefeller Foundation and others, a good portion of
the world’s population. That they deem no longer be necessary to keep themselves in the comforts they’re
used to. They have technology to accomplish a large amount of that.
Jackie: Everything they’re doing today is part of it; the wars, the vaccines and the chemtrails; maybe people
aren’t dropping like flies; maybe they are and we don’t know it.
Alan: They are, actually. I mean with all the spraying alone that’s going on and I’m sure that – we even
have more ads on TV sponsored by the government to recognize signs of stroke. We never had those before
and they’re on every day.
Jackie: Yes and over here it’s asthma and upper respiratory problems. I’ve seen it on the Weather Channel
quite a bit when they advertise all of their medicines. Asthma’s a big one today and a lot of people have
asthmatic symptoms that have never in their lives had asthma. Young people, children as well as adults.
Alan: Again, going back to inoculations, autism is only at the top of the tree of symptoms. There’s a whole
range of lesser symptoms not as profound or as obvious going all the way down to asthma and you have
varying degrees of mental disturbances. Slow learning, that type of thing, not quite classed as autism,
degrees of mental retardation. The IQ level has dropped five points over the last 10, 15 years, a minimum of
five points. And of course with all the inoculations going hand-in-hand into infants’ bodies before the brain is
formed; you’re really lobotomizing them before the brain is formed and that is one of the policies that was
discussed with the World Population Council that Arthur Koestler attended, who wrote the book “The Ghost
in the Machine” and took part in plans to try and lobotomize subject groups, which would eventually be used
worldwide to basically dumb the people down through inoculations, through mechanical lobotomies,
chemical lobotomies, everything basically. He wrote about it in his book and in the last chapter he tells you
he thinks this is very important again for that same “world peace.” This is widely written about. It’s just that
we don’t hear about it on the regular news.
Jackie: When they talk about world peace, that’s their “peace.” I want to read this from Protocol #10. It
says that:
“You yourselves perfectly well know that to produce the possibility of the expression of such wishes by all
the nations (that would be probably talking about their super government, the UN) it is indispensable to
trouble in all countries the people’s relations with their governments so as to utterly exhaust humanity with
dissension, with hatred, struggle, envy and even by the use of torture (which they’re doing today) by
starvation and by the inoculation of diseases, by want, so that the “Goyim” see no other issue than to take
refuge in our complete sovereignty in money and in all else.
But it says here:
“If we give the nations of the world a breathing space, the moment we long for is hardly likely ever to
arrive.”
So when they talk about the inoculation of diseases they’re literally saying they’re going to inoculate diseases
into people.
Alan: That’s being followed pretty carefully even with the AIDS outbreak spreading through Haiti and then
through Africa in the wake of the UN smallpox vaccination agenda. It followed on its heels and that has been
admitted too. Of course they claim that some of the people who were giving inoculations didn’t sterilize the
needles properly. They just used the same ones on arm after arm basically. That’s the way they wiggled out
of that one.
Jackie: You had said that you would be sharing information that hasn’t been shared with mankind for 3,000
years.
Alan: What we’re dealing with behind all of the fronts we have facing us is a very old religion – a singular
religion that pre-existed all of the other religions that we know today.
Jackie: Does it also precede what we know today as Talmudism or Phariseeism; is it any different than
Talmudism?
Alan: Yes. You’ll find behind all of the religions, and the esoteric parts in all religions, they share a common
origin, and it’s wrapped so carefully into all religions that it takes an awful lot of searching to find it, but you
can find it.
Jackie: I stated as I was compiling the book that it is a long-laid program for world dominion wrapped in a
cloak of religion.
Alan: It’s really the original religion behind all of the facades, and you find it again in the writings of Egypt
and Sumer, and what the elites claimed is that they must interbreed so carefully with close kin for a very
special reason. It’s puzzled all the researchers who have gone into this angle of it; why the necessity of
worldwide aristocracy for this intense inbreeding and the pharaohs, or at least the priests who looked after
the pharaohs, wrote about this and wrote about their ceremonies associated with this. What they claim is
that their bodies are the descendents of the original bodies that were created when these beings or spirits or
demons or angels were cast down to earth; and through their own will power they formed, from all the
materials around them, through pure thought and will power, perfect bodies to occupy.
Jackie: That is interesting that the physical body contains all of the elements that are in the earth.
Alan: Yes. However, they claim that since the closest thing from the Creator who had cast them here or
imprisoned them here, they retained some of these special powers of creation within themselves and as time
went on, these powerful beings that could basically move objects, huge objects just by mind power alone,
began to lose these powers because they began to interbreed with the original species here, so there was an
original species here. And the laws came out to command them to start interbreeding once again to get back
to the original forms where they could use this “mental ability” you might say; the royalty, the elite of every
country as well. If you look at flags of every country you’ll see all of the symbols of what you think of today
as the illuminati. You’ve got the rising sun for Japan. You’ve got the dragon which is China and so you can
go on and on and the modern flags have so many pyramids on them it’s incredible. The Union Jack is
‘illumined man’, is Andrew’s Cross with the Templar Cross in the middle. Every flag you look at. South
American flags are just amazing with their pyramids, so it’s everywhere. It’s a worldwide aristocracy and
that’s the reason for their intense inbreeding. If they breed out of their stock, the offspring will not have the
powers; and here’s the key to it. They believe so intensely in reincarnation of their own original spirits into
their own family lineages that they must have the DNA of the family lineage to keep the perfect body so that
the perfect spirit will manifest itself into it. Do you understand that so far? They used to have a ceremony of
the “opening of the mouth” they called it. When a pharaoh died, they go through this elaborate ceremony,
this was to retain the spirit of the deceased pharaoh, and then they would transplant it literally, supposedly,
into his son. Therefore, you could be a host for your own spirit and your father’s at the same time. If the son
wasn’t there at the time, they claimed that they could transplant the spirit or energy into a statue – a statue
could be anything, a container, in other words, or a scientific device, who knows? – and then bring it back
out later when the son arrived home. All of the world aristocracy believe in this intensely, and that’s why
they believe they are so clever and they are the original physical DNA of the original bodies that the fallen
ones created, and they are also hosting the spirits of the original angels that fell here.
Jackie: Their god is Jove?
Alan: [Their god is] Jove, Jupiter, Lucifer is just as good.
Jackie: You were talking about the elite and their bloodlines and I asked if their god was Jove and you said
yes, Jove, Jupiter, actually Lucifer. When I did a search you were on at one time and you had said that Jove,
Jehovah, Jupiter, “by George” were all the same “god.” I’ve come to that realization more and more as this
book is being compiled because I’ve done searches and I found an old Masonic – this was like 200 years ago
and they said that a song was played to the tune of “God Save the King”, which I found out is also the tune
that “My Country ‘Tis of Thee” is sung to. They talked in there about Lord, Jove, Jehovah, God is how it was
said, and so that was a Masonic song. Do you know that one of the definitions of a Noahite is a Freemason
when you look up the word in the dictionary, so the freemasonry, these people who are Christians who join
freemasonry, do they all know this?
Alan: —Not at the bottom. Even the so-called laws that were given for all the gentiles meant and this is pre-
Hebrew.
Jackie: I understand the word Hebrew was a word that meant “Habiru” that it meant dusty one or
wanderer.
Alan: Wanderer, yes.
Jackie: Like a Nomad?
Alan: Long before that, supposedly, is at the end of another age when they talk about the flood. Noah was
chosen to come through with his family, and it tells you right at the beginning of the chapter, the only
reason that he was picked was that he was perfect in his generations, meaning perfect in his bloodline. He
had not married outside of his bloodline, so we’re back to genetics again.
Jackie: Sarah was Abraham’s half-sister, according to the Old Testament, and Moses married his aunt. It
was some family.
Alan: It’s a eugenics program really. It’s the eugenics of the body and supposedly the spirit. Even the
Roman elite, it doesn’t matter where they’ve gone or who they’ve called themselves in times gone past or
what empire they ruled, when the Greek elite moved into Rome and created Rome they took all their
customs with them. The Greek elite also had the Lares, the fire which represented the family spirits, as they
did when they went into Rome and reconstructed the same system. The fire was always representative of
your own family lineages’ spirits which would reincarnate into your grandson.
Jackie: Is that what that eternal flame stands for?
Alan: Yes. It means belonging to Lucifer. The flame means Lucifer. The lesser flames or ‘points of light’
belong to the army of Lucifer.
Jackie: Is the religion of the Jews today, Talmudism or Phariseeism according to the Jewish Encyclopedia
that Judaism today traces its history back through the ages without a break to the Pharisees, so it would
really be called Phariseeism, probably. Is that a part of it today? When you look into some of these websites
when you’re checking into the Noahide Laws, then it says the Noahide Laws are only for the non-Jews. They
give a couple of reasons, either because the gentiles rejected the Ten Commandments, that the Ten
Commandments are only for the Jews because they were the ones that were there by the Mount when they
were given, and so the Noahide Laws–
Alan: There were no Jews…
Jackie: But that’s what they call them today. So the Noahide Laws, there’s seven of them. Actually, one is
thou shall not. It is a law that would establish tribunals and then the punishment – this is right out of their
own website so it isn’t a figment of my imagination and I’d read this before, but until I saw it in their own
website for some reason I just kind of doubted it. But the only penalty for the breaking of one of the
Noahide Laws is death, and the only mode of death is decapitation. What they are saying is the reason their
messiah has not returned yet is because the world isn’t ready for him, because enough people have not
accepted “The Torah,” because that’s what the Noahites will be referred to, as Hasidic Gentiles. It is written
in one of the books I read that any man, woman or child that does not embrace The Torah will be
exterminated. Now do you think that they have something beyond that? It’s in their own website. They
explain all this.
Alan: The easiest thing to do, and this guy will come on your program, is to ask that Rabbi Stevak back on.
He will come on because he was on Alex Jones’ show.
Jackie: Do you think if I called him he would come on Sweet Liberty? What would I bring him on and ask
him?
Alan: Whatever you want. Yes, ask him because all the hate laws are now in effect that were in the Soviet
Union. The hate laws are in effect now. Understand? They’ve been passed everywhere and they’re being
enforced everywhere.
Jackie: Well, from my understanding, the hate laws are actually the implementation of a genocide treaty
and the implementing legislation was what created the hate laws.
Alan: Not really. There was a big two-year conference ongoing in a university in the U.S. to draft something
up, again, for world peace; and on that, they had the bare bones of what would become the hate laws. They
had many reviews and updates of it, but they are in effect now.
Jackie: This broadcast here in the U.S. and there are other broadcasts that have addressed the “Jewish
question” and there have not been any lawsuits or any fines or anything like that going on.
Alan: The last place to go will be the U.S. because they’re still completing the ‘Great Work’. Once it’s done
that, then you’ll see the same laws implemented.
Jackie: So that we won’t be able to have these discussions?
Alan: Absolutely, and that’s the intent of them. You won’t even be able to ask a question along that line. A
child won’t be able to ask a question. That’s how totalitarian things stand at the moment.
Jackie: You gave us a nutshell of what their design is, so to speak, and their belief system, but it doesn’t
feel finished. I don’t feel like I understand this. How do we relate that to today?
Alan: Today, the ancient elite who ran the world, the natural aristocracy that Jefferson called them, are
scattered through all peoples and they can adopt any religion actually and they become one of the people.
They become the heroes of the people and it doesn’t matter what country you go into; it’s the same
ceremonies at the top.
Jackie: The questions that I have are for example in the Old Testament, and I studied metaphysics and it
was said that there is an esoteric – there is symbolic and there is some actual real history, but I think a lot of
what we’ve been given as history was not, or it was twisted and it was torped. We have a situation where
there is the God Jehovah or Yahweh. There are people who say the name is not Jehovah it is Yahweh and
that god chose a certain group of people to be his special people who were going to rule over the earth.
There are Christians who say because they’ve studied the bloodline – I mean as far as who we are it seems
simple that Jesus said “that by their fruits ye shall know them”, not by the color of your skin, bloodline or
whatever…
Alan: “By their works.”
Jackie: …Or what religion you choose to believe in, but it is how we be. Yet the people who have studied
the bloodlines are absolutely convinced that it is the white Anglo-Saxon I guess, the Nordic that is the
chosen of that Yahweh in the Old Testament.
Alan: Some of them are. All of that sect began in the late 1800’s with a guy who emerged in London and
declared all this stuff. He demanded that the king abdicate and he’d take over, and so he was locked up in
an insane asylum.
Jackie: Because he looked at the bloodlines and said “I should be on the throne”?
Alan: Yes. He put in a formal request; and when Queen Victoria was in, another guy did exactly the same
and demanded that she abdicate so he could get himself on the throne, and he also ended up in the asylum.
Then, of course, the elite thought this could be a good tool, you see, because division is fantastic when
you’re destroying everything at the end of an age and so then they promoted the ‘British Israel’ theory.
Jackie: It’s called a lot of stuff, British Israelism?
Alan: Israel foundation. You’ll find that the offices are the same as the World Zionist Federation. The British
Israelite Foundation, which all these characters belonged to, is the same address as the World Zionist
Federation.
Jackie: The British Israelites and the Zionist Foundation have the same address?
Alan: That’s right, and all modern Christians who attend church are Zionists.
Jackie: They’re being taught that today, aren’t they?
Alan: They’ve been taught it for a long, long time – a hundred-odd years at least.
Jackie: Yes, but it’s really becoming widespread today. Our webmaster was telling me in the little church
that they attend that there was a song that they sang “We are Repossessing” and he told me the words. In
fact I’ve got the words to that song, but basically it says we are repossessing every square inch of land, and
I said how could you relate that to anything Christian? He said, “what we we’re told was this.” The Jews are
denied the messiah so the promises of the covenant went to the Christians and now we’re the ones that are
going to evidently own and control the world. It’s very confusing and it’s disturbing because it’s almost as
though we have to be double-minded to believe this.
Alan: Most people are. I mean any follower of anything is a fool to begin with. If you can’t think for yourself
and take your own path and you must follow, you can be guaranteed you’ve been led up the garden path.
That’s why democracy works for the elite. Everybody who’s born has a chance to be their own leader, but 87
percent have always chosen to follow somebody else because they can’t think for themselves. They’re too
lazy to think for themselves. That’s the problem, and then they wonder what’s happened to the world they
thought was theirs as it’s pulled from under their feet.
Jackie: A lot of them don’t wonder because they believe that this is God’s plan and that when it all falls
apart Jesus is going to be here. He’s going to be on his throne in Jerusalem and he’s going to be ruling the
world. It says in the Bible “that my kingdom is not of this world” and he said “I came here for one purpose
into this world and that was to bear witness unto the truth” and the way it appears to me, he was exposing
this and got killed for it and he may as well have saved his breath.
Caller: When I hear that we are too lazy to think and we are too lazy to do this and that. In the meantime,
we’ve been fed fluoride in the water. We’ve been dulled down with vaccinations and now we’re supposed to
take the blame for not being able to think. I think there’s something wrong. What do you think?
Jackie: It is true that they have certainly done one job with the food, with the fluoride in the water and the
type of food.
Alan: For 2,000 years the public, regardless of the denomination or even country, followed these religious
leaders blindly without all the inoculations, et cetera.
Jackie: Jesus was exposing this.
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Now today people call themselves Judeo-Christians or Christian Zionists.
Alan: Well, you see, it’s an abusive father.
Caller: It’s very interesting what he said that all of the churches today, it’s true. They really are Jewish
centers. Really they’ve become Judeaized, willing they do this. But I just wanted to say the Jews secretly
worshipped Lucifer. I know this is true. However, I wonder if your guest will agree with me, they are the
wrath of God’s anger. By the way, the Jews are the seed line of Lucifer, the Lord does allow this to happen
because we deserve it.
Alan: That’s the typical abused mentality that comes out – the abused person. If you follow the Bible you’re
leading a path of mind abuse, because you can’t have a loving father who also allows sadism to happen. In
other words, the God of the Bible has nothing to do with the Creator at all. That’s the key to it. The Old
Testament is a compilation borrowed from many other countries of stories which are techniques on how to
control others.
Jackie: And you had said that their god is Lucifer.
Alan: Albert Pike said it in one of the highest Masonic books ever written and so did Madame Blavatsky. She
called her newspaper Lucifer, eventually called the Lucius Trust. Lucifer was the rebel. He was the chief
magician amongst the angels and he led a rebellion against the Creator himself supposedly. According to the
elite, man would be in darkness today (meaning ignorance and primitiveness and “arrested civilization” as
they call it), if Lucifer hadn’t brought intellect and intelligence down to show the people and to rule over the
people. This is the religion of all aristocracy. That’s what they all believe in.
Jackie: So Jove, Jupiter, Zeus, and Jehovah are all one and the same?
Alan: They’re all the same but Jupiter and Jove also mean “the hidden god”, hidden from the public. That’s
what it means.
Jackie: Zeus was the Greek god, lord of the world. In Rome, Jupiter was Zeus-Pater, God the Father,
became Zeus and Jupiter are one and the same. But then Jove and Jupiter are also said to be one and the
same. Which of the gods are hidden gods?
Alan: You see, it’s all allegory. It’s not real beings. It’s allegory for the hidden god that the public must
never know about until the right time. In other words, it’s another front-name for Lucifer, always was the
hidden god, but not the Creator. It’s the hidden god of the system of this world.
Jackie: The God of this world. I remember reading where Jehovah had said when I made the covenant with
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob they only knew me as the Lord God Almighty, but I am going to take you to be
my people and I’m going to be to you a god. That is pretty loud and clear, Alan.
Alan: The story about coming out of the desert or Egypt and meeting Melchizedek is very important because
Melchizedek was worshipped by them as a living God on earth. They gave him the full worshipping rights of
a god, a deity, the supposed slaves that came out of Egypt; and the key is that every illumined man who
works up through the degrees and goes round the clock becomes a god on earth. Every illumined man in
their system who comes up the degrees becomes a god.
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
August 26, 2004
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Our guest is Alan Watt. I told you last night about the tetanus
shot that a lot of children get. I think it’s either 9th or 10th grade but it’s a booster shot and I gave you
information on it. I won’t repeat it all. The one thing I forgot to tell you is that in the particular schools to
which I was referring they had these opt-out forms in the office and it wasn’t found out until the mother of
this child was jumping through hoops trying to get a hold of the form knowing that it did exist. So for any of
you who have children in school and if they’re insisting on them getting vaccinated of any type, go into
vaccination liberation, the website, and you can look up the ingredients of any of the vaccines. Thimerosal I
believe is a preservative that’s in all of them that I know of. It is a form of mercury. They use formaldehyde
as a detoxifier and they use aluminum and all of these are neurotoxins. They are poison not just to the brain
cell, but as Alan pointed out last night to the entire nervous system. So just call the school office and don’t
ask if they have them. Just say I want one of the opt-out forms to opt my child out of having the vaccine
because it is against my religious beliefs. That’s all you have to say. I don’t know the law in every state but
that I know of every state has one type of an opt-out option for parents. Let me share our spiritual message
with you. This from Psalm 139:23, 24.
“Search me father and know my heart. Test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any
offensive way in me and led me in the way everlasting.”
To me that is the same as where Jesus said that we must know ourselves. Know thyself, he said. There is
nothing more to know and if the Kingdom of God is within us as Jesus said then wouldn’t that make sense
that to know ourselves is the most important thing? If we know ourselves maybe that is all that there is to
know. And thank you for being with us again.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: I received an email from a lady today and she said she was very confused and didn’t even really
know what it was all about and I urged her to listen tonight.
Alan: We’ve already gone through the fact that this plan has been ongoing for the complete reordering of
the world for thousands of years basically, and that this crucial point of the change you might say to global
governance and a new way of living for everyone, they have to dumb the public down even more so than
they had ever done before. They have been using inoculations, primarily, to lobotomize the public and the IQ
has been dropping substantially from especially the ’50’s onwards. This is a deliberate dumbing down for a
purpose because you cannot have a literate public worldwide during the time of massive change where all
morality is reconfigured into a new morality with new ways of doing everything, so this agenda was all
planned. We’re expected to always believe that everything that happens in history is just bungling and
accidents by governments and scientists, and that’s so far from the truth it’s incredible. Everything that
happens is planned that way. They knew that there were over 100 live simian, which is chimpanzee or
monkey, viruses in every shot of polio before they gave it to the public. The Simian 40 virus, it’s only function
is to create tumors and cancers. That’s all it does. I’ve got the videotape. The CBC, which documents
everything, is the leading government station, played an old black and white replay one boring Sunday and it
was about Dr. Salk and there’s quips in it and his co-workers, and they talk about the fact that they were
aware that these viruses were alive and that they were hazardous not only to your basic health but long-term
health, and they knew that the Simian 40 virus would cause cancers. Other ones would attack the central
nervous system. Some of them even caused sterilization. Now when you realize that was all part of an
ancient policy, was exactly that, to cull the population and reduce the population by sterilization and by early
deaths, we’ve never had such a spate of brain tumors in the very young as we have since 1950 onwards.
This has done its job and it’s not by bungling. It’s by deliberation.
Jackie: Didn’t Dr. Salk say that one of the viruses’ only function was to cause brain tumors?
Alan: That’s right, cancers of all kinds and that was the Simian 40, but that’s only one of many of them.
Jackie: Did you say that this was an ancient thing that they did, back in ancient days?
Alan: In ancient times you’ll find records from the Egyptians, the priests wrote everything down like all
bureaucrats do and that’s what the old priesthoods really were. They were bureaucrats and they wrote all
the signs and symptoms of population control. That also meant having docile populations and they tried to
even reduce calories. They tried feeding them certain things, omitting proteins to keep them docile and
placid and yet strong enough to do the work. This has been an ongoing thing for thousands of years. Then
of course Malthus who was the top economist for the British East India Company in the 1600’s eventually
wrote his book on population. That was introduced in the early 1700’s and he advised raising people, the
masses he said, the expendable masses, the surplus and building housing over swamplands where they’d be
infected by mosquitoes and would die of diseases and so they had all these beautiful ways to cull people off
that they didn’t need anymore. This has been an ongoing thing.
Jackie: What do you know about DDT; I have read articles that suggest that they stopped using it because it
was so effective in keeping down the mosquitoes populations and what do mosquitoes cause? Either yellow
fever and malaria. And that today in the modern world, in some of the third world countries people are
dying, dropping like flies from malaria. Do you think that DDT was effective and maybe more harmless if
there is such a thing?
Alan: What they did in fact was to try and ban DDT and they still show these same clips in science shows for
children today. They show you always these birds, generally seagulls giving birth to these jelly-like type eggs
where the eggshell was almost non-existent and this was the main proof that DDT was harmful to nature,
but what they didn’t tell the public, although the information is available on request, is that they fed these
captive seagulls nothing but DDT! Obviously Africa has been slated for a long time for massive depopulation.
However, a colleague of Salk who did the polio vaccine was Joseph Gallo and he’s the character who got the
main contract to create the AIDS disease. They’re all well connected. If you look at Frederick Banting who’s
held up as a hero in history for developing, amongst other things, insulin for diabetes control; he came from
Alliston, Ontario, Canada but this man was the top bacteriologist for germ warfare during World War II.
When you read his memoirs and what he was developing, he was developing diseases which would wipe out
everybody with a German gene in their body, and he said in his own memoirs and anybody can go and find
the memoirs of Banting. He said “I won’t be happy until everyone with a German gene is extinct from this
planet”. This is a great hero who’s got statues up to him for helping children in diabetes. Yes, and also he
developed a disease which would be spread amongst cattle and the idea was to kill off the food production in
Germany and strangely enough has all the same symptoms as what we call Mad Cow disease today. Isn’t
that a coincidence? Every major figure they give you in history is really one of the elite and they are mass
murderers.
Jackie: You said a long time ago that every hero that we have in our minds was given to us. I have
discovered in my research that at least the heroes that we were taught in school were heroes are no longer
heroes.
Alan: Even Thomas Jefferson in his own memoirs says that he was corresponding with Malthus and that he
was very interested in his theories on population control. That’s Jefferson’s own writings.
Jackie: Alan, when you read stuff that they allegedly said; did they say or was this all made up some of the
good things they said?
Alan: The good things are just what they’re advisors would tell them the people would want to hear. That’s
always been the way. In their own memoirs they say complete opposite things. It’s like Winston Churchill
who had a whole nation rise up to fight supposedly the Germans and I believe to be honest that Hitler was
setup by the same bunch too. I really do. In fact, World War II had to happen because there was only two
ways out of the situation they created in Germany. One was to change the initial demands of the Versailles
Treaty, or for Germany to go to war, so they supplied the right man at the right time and they got their way
anyway. Meanwhile, Churchill is over on the other side directing a war that had not started before he was the
prime minister with his own agents working for him and preparing for World War II, telling the public when it
began that they’d fight on the beaches and all this rot. Now his personal secretary has come out with a book
called “The Fringes of Power” and it’s got all the private conversations of Churchill with his own inner elite
class and he says, “This is the best thing that ever happened for us. We shall have our long way to dream of
a united Europe”, which is exactly what Hitler wanted. There’s your paradox. However, to the public, oh yes
we’re going to fight on the beaches. It’s the same old stuff over and over.
Jackie: Here in the United States of America they were actually involving U.S. soldiers in the fighting and in
the war before war had been declared by the U.S. Congress, while he was making his promises to the
American people that your sons will not go to war. Not fight.
Alan: The same premise that Wilson ran on in World War I. You just tell the public what they want to hear
that’s all, and they still do.
Jackie: Wasn’t it George Poppy Bush that said “read my lips”?
Alan: In 1990, he first gave his major speech about the New World Order and he saw it coming into view, et
cetera, et cetera. That was September 11th and then he repeated it one year later on September the 11th,
same thing. It’s the old occult Masonic way and so meanwhile America is being stripped of pretty well any
right that you thought you had. You just haven’t seen it totally enforced yet.
Jackie: They’re probably waiting to pull of one more terrible – they keep telling us it is going to happen. We
don’t when. We don’t where. We don’t know how, but we know that there will be another and it will be
worse than the World Trade Center; and anybody who thinks that only 3,000 people died there isn’t thinking.
Alan: It’s amazing what’s pulled off in front of our eyes even though the New American Century agenda, the
booklet was produced in 1997 with the same players we saw during the second Gulf War involved Rumsfeld
and all the rest of them and they said we’ll have to eventually take Afghanistan first and then Iraq second,
then Iran and Syria and so on. They write about it. They tell you about it and then at the same time another
major player Zbigniew Brzezinski comes out with “The Grand Chessboard” saying exactly the same things in
the same sequence and he says “we’ll need something on the scale of Pearl Harbor to motivate the American
people into action behind us.” It was about ’98.
Jackie: I’ve got this on audio tape that was day one of 9/11 and I taped the whole day and they brought
Henry Kissinger out of a meeting and they said please tell us what you’re thinking here or whatever and he
said, “this is the same as Pearl Harbor and it needs to be handled exactly the way Pearl Harbor was
handled.” I have that on videotape.
Alan: It’s all orchestrated. In this mystery religion we’re talking about, behind it all, they have a saying,
which they use on the Star Trek episodes by Mr. Spock, that the few must perish to save the many. It’s a
sacrifice and that to them was worth having. This goes on and on and on and it’s not just a reorganization of
the basics of living in the world. It’s going to be a complete reorganization of every individual’s life where
ultimately if they allow you to be born it will be with a need for you to be trained at something and there will
be no surplus whatsoever. No excess population and your duty will be to serve the world state.
Jackie: Workforce development is the implementation of that.
Alan: Yes. It’s all out in front of us for anyone to go and investigate. People who live in duality want to
believe the nice men in the nice suits and ties who say such nice things to us and really care about us and
then they can read the other information at the same time if they want to stay in duality, that’s their problem
because we know where they’re going to end up.
Jackie: Back in the ’40’s there was a teachers union meeting held in I believe Philadelphia. I do have the
actual agenda, a copy of the pamphlet and it’s called “Educating for One World.” This was in the ’40’s, and
they said the needs of the children on the list was that the children will be educated – trained I believe for
the new needs of labor and that’s exactly what you just said, isn’t it?
Alan: That’s right and that’s also in Brzezinski’s other work called “The Technetronic Era” where he goes
through the fact that the elite only need a technological class now to serve them. They don’t need the
laboring classes.
Jackie: And specifically, Hillary is quoted as saying that children don’t need to learn to read, as long as they
are properly trained for their jobs that they’re going to be trained to do.
Alan: In other words, what you’re seeing is being implemented all over. It’s the exact same system only on a
larger scale than the Soviet Union. It was all done in the Soviet Union with Pavlovian training. In the memoirs
of Eleanor Roosevelt, she talks about that because she went over to Russia to meet her hero Pavlov and she
said they trained the children so well using his methods they don’t have a personality of their own.
Caller: What most people don’t know is that homeopathy can reverse these injections and heal the body,
and if anybody is really concerned about the health of their children they can give vaccinations through
homeopathy which is totally harmless to the body and protects it. So if anybody wants to check into this I
would suggest that they get to a naturopath of homeopathy and check this out because I know it works.
Alan: I know that there are treatments that help to detoxify certain heavy metals especially like mercury.
They can be sort of flushed out over a certain period. It tends to be rather expensive though. They call it
chelation.
Jackie: Dr. Carley has been on this broadcast. She lost her medical license in New York because her son had
gotten real ill and she’s a medical doctor but since she lost her medical license and she started treating her
son homeopathically and they took her son away from her. The father has guardianship now and they have
told her if she didn’t shut up about homeopathy that she’d never see him again. Dr. Carley has not shut up
because she said there are many people who need to know this, although I have never heard her talk about
vaccines that work that are healthy.
Alan: Really, vaccination is bogus because a healthy body doesn’t contract the various diseases. Most people
have had tuberculosis for instance and that’s why they send everyone for an x-ray and they find a little scar
tissue on their lung. That means you’ve been exposed to it but you’ve fought it off and you’ve overcome it.
Jackie: My dad came down with diabetes and Jody was seven years old at the time and she had come to
visit so they did tests and they found scar tissue on her lungs but they weren’t sure they said whether it was
scar tissue or active TB. They said they couldn’t tell so they were going to treat her and if there was no
change then they would know that it was a scar tissue from TB that her body healed and that’s what it
turned out to be. But meantime, I let them give Jody the therapy. I didn’t know any better.
Alan: They can tell immediately if you have active TB because they give you the old Mantoux test on your
wrist.
Jackie: Well, you know what they told us? They said since she had it she would always test positive because
there are antibodies against it.
Alan: Yes, but when it’s active your wrist comes up like a balloon. Big difference. No, they can tell this stuff.
Jackie: Dr. Carley has a website and I think it is simply Dr.Carley.com but if you put Dr. Rebecca Carley into
a search engine I believe that you would find her website.
Caller: I’m calling about the comment that the lady regarding homeopathic vaccinations. I had it in 1961
when I went to Italy and it is nothing like these regular vaccinations. Homeopathic remedies are prepared
very differently, but it enables a medical doctor to sign a certificate that you had had a vaccination because
mine was necessary to go abroad. So you go to any homeopath or even naturopaths are able to do that
today.
Jackie: Thank you. Maybe that is an alternative. I don’t think there is any state that has the opt-out form for
the children but maybe if you are traveling abroad and they want proof that you’ve been vaccinated that’s
good to know. Maybe it isn’t necessary but if it’s harmless that’s important.
Alan: So much in the world is just bogus and it doesn’t mean that the doctors are pretending or putting you
on. They’re trained in a system, which they believe, is based on pure faith on the person who taught them. I
mean you take a child and you tell that child when he scratches himself or gets cut to wash out that wound
and you tell him why, and meanwhile they take the same child to a doctor to inject him with stuff right into
his body, in his bloodstream. We don’t even have the ability to check ourselves. I mean it’s all based on faith.
Trust and faith and that’s why they have succeeded so well. Science has become our new priests. They are
the new priesthood.
Jackie: I remember once that you had said that their god, these creatures that are in control here, their god
is science.
Alan: Science. I mean that was the boast of Lucifer. Lucifer said when they were imprisoned here basically
that through his and their, meaning his lesser beings, his followers, through their intellect and ingenuity and
their knowledge of the sciences, they would eventually rise higher than all the gods and break out of this
prison.
Jackie: Are you saying that Lucifer was an individual?
Alan: It’s given as an individual. It’s definitely an entity with a whole army basically of similar entities that
supposedly were close to the Creator himself but tried to overtake even that, and were cast here during “the
fall” as they call it.
Jackie: Maybe the fall was our entering into the physical realm?
Alan: Well that was theirs because they created their own bodies by their pure will, because they still had
creative abilities with them when they arrived here. That’s what they claim. You’ll find that in all the higher
theosophy books which are not available to the general public and they go through this whole process where
this army arrived here and they could manipulate all matter by pure will power alone. Create their own
perfect physical bodies which the spirit could then inhabit and only by interbreeding with the domestic race
here at the time they claim they started to lose their powers and hence the need to get back to interbreed
with only their own once more. This religion is still here behind all religions. It’s the same religion.
Jackie: High freemasonry, Phariseeism. Although you said that Phariseeism was preceded by this
international priesthood religion.
Alan: Yes. There’s no doubt that they came out from Babylon, which was the home at that time of the
mystery religion, and they came out with the sciences of control and physics with them. They brought it with
them and some of the most famous scientists that we are given, like Einstein and so on, studied the
Kabbalah. Isaac Newton, even though he was holed up for most of his life in Cambridge University, mainly
because he liked young boys, this other great hero, in his own memoirs tells you that most of his time was
studying the Kabbalah where he got the sciences from. These books are available in university libraries.
Jackie: I don’t want to interrupt your flow of thought but do you have any books that you would recommend
for people to get that would want to do their own research?
Alan: Going right back to the whole educational program, we mentioned a few years ago about Lord
Bertrand Russell who came out with a few main books followed by all the higher elites around him. One is
called “Roads to Freedom” and the other one was called “Education and the Good Life.”
Jackie: And Bertrand Russell was a UNESCO advisor?
Alan: He was a UNESCO advisor. He was all for global governments. He was sent to China to initially contact
young students, teach at university and start what became of their revolution many years later. These
characters are always active all their lives with working for the Great Work.
Jackie: I have a quote here by him. This is Bertrand Russell. It says: “It may be hoped that in time anybody
will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the state
by money and equipment. When the technique has been perfected every government that has been in
control of education for a generation will be able to control its subject securely without the need of armies or
policemen.”
Alan: And that was also reiterated by Zbigniew Brzezinski in “The Technetronic Era” where he said that the
public have got to the stage now where they have no thoughts of their own. They can only repeat what’s
been downloaded into their minds by the previous night’s news. See they’ve been at this for a long, long
time. Bertrand Russell back in the early 1920s was working fervently for this elite and this is Lord Bertrand
Russell. This is one of the aristocracy here. Why is he working towards what seems to be an almost
communist goal? It’s because communism and capitalism are just the two elements they need for conflict in
order to create and speed up their New World Order and they’ve pretty well arrived. If you go even further
back to the writings of Plato and “The Republic” he’s talking about a world republic similar to what Franklin
talked about, and Jefferson. A united federated world and Plato talked about it 2,500 years ago and he
explained the system on which it would be run. Outwardly it would have a democratic form of republicism.
Because he said 87 percent of the population are followers and they will come to the opinion that is given to
them by their leaders.
Jackie: And that would be religious leaders as well as political, the news, et cetera? Explain that percentage
because you did mention that in the conversations earlier and I said well that to me is uplifting. It leaves 13
percent of the people that aren’t followers but you expanded on that.
Alan: Three percent comprise the elite managers, the creative managers you might say, not the
implementers. Opposed to them are three percent who are awake in any generation and the rest the seven
percent or so are simply the bureaucrats, police, army, et cetera who enforce the three percents mandates.
So really there are only three percent of the population who actively know the agenda at the top and they
are opposed at all times by an awakened three percent. There are many up on the way to that three percent
who think they know it but they don’t. They’re either left or they’re right or they’re Protestant or Catholic or
whatever. You can’t get trapped on the way up to the three percent who opposes them. So yes, really it’s a
matter of three percent against the other three percent with its force, its bureaucracies and its police, et
cetera.
Jackie: Well this is so relevant; I remember on one of our broadcasts that we did you had made the
statement that those that we think are in control are really not, as they are just the minions and they are
being as controlled as we are by them. You said that those are the ones that are the “humanists” so to speak
that they believe they are gods et cetera, but that the hierarchy behind them know that there is a Creator
and a force and a power within each and everyone of us if we call upon it and that they’re scared to death if
enough people are going to recognize it.
Alan: Yes. And it’s not the Jehovah that’s being rammed down everyone’s throats for thousands of years.
You cannot pray to someone who gives you a hug one minute and then punches you in the head in the
other, and that is what Jehovah is. Jehovah is the perfect abusive parent that you would use for mind control
purposes on the offspring. The Creator is beyond all of that; and as long as they keep people worshipping
the same deity which is abusing them, God’s going to kill us all but he loves us. There’s a paradox for you.
There’s an abusive statement from a victim. That makes no sense. That is how mind control works, but the
Creator himself is something they don’t want you do know about.
Jackie: The true message that Jesus brought that the Kingdom of God is within you and the power even of
our spoken word when he said that “by our words we are justified and by our words we are condemned.” I
see that so many people that believe that what is happening today is the plan of our Creator because they
believe that Jehovah is – that they actually pray for it and celebrate its coming because Jesus is coming back
and he’s going to plant his kingdom there in Jerusalem and rule the world here for a thousand years in
peace.
Alan: Yes, and he’s going to save little old me.
Jackie: But that whole story, when you take it to its finish that Lucifer will be released again after a
thousand years; why?
Alan: Yes, because by Lucifer what they mean again in this term is that they have a thousand years of
peace between the ends and the beginnings of the age; and at the end of that thousand years, even
amongst the aristocracy, they start to vie once again for ultimate power amongst themselves; and that
becomes a fatal trademark of theirs that you will see down through the ages. They’ll all work together
between the age when they’ve done their little wars with each and they have the order set as they want it to
keep their peace amongst themselves but towards the end of an age they start vying for power again
because the goal is to be king of the world. They can all work together towards the Great Work but coming
near the end of it they start to – remember power is an incredible drug to these characters and each one
wants to be first king of the world. They want to go down in history as the first king of the world and a
united world and to them that’s a great coup and we see it already with various factions amongst the elite
falling out with each other and not being so cohesive as they are. So they do have their Achilles heels.
Jackie: You had quoted about those who are really in control having the fear that enough people will
discover — and the power within us is neutral except it is the way that it is used and if it is used in love and
compassion it’s powerful, and if it is used the other way like black magic it is destruction.
Caller: It’s the evangelical Christian that’s been brainwashed by the very people that you’re exposing that
have given you a distorted picture of Christianity and that they want to bring this all this Armageddon on
because they say Jesus is coming. It’s a complete distortion of Christianity. I’m not denying the coming of
Jesus Christ but in an entirely different frame of reference and I thought I should tell you this.
Alan: Yes. People must remember that messiah and a Christ or Cristos are the same things that are wanted
by the elite. It’s their own messiah that basically will fool the world once again and even in the movies that
they throw in front of our faces like “The Matrix” movie, they get the public to cheer on the main hero Neo.
Neo means new. His name is Anderson from the Greek Andra, which means man. He is the new son of man
with all these great powers and his people that he’s fighting for are from Zion. They are the Zionists.
Jackie: What is Zion, Sion? What is the esoteric?
Alan: On one level Sion in Hebrew meant the sun, the light, Lucifer, the ultimate illumined man. That’s
basically what the first meaning is.
Jackie: Then that puts the light in a negative perspective. According to the New Testament Jesus is
attributed as saying “ye are the light of the world.”
Alan: That’s right. In fact there are secrets in Masonry which Masons themselves don’t understand at the
bottom. As Pike said, “they’re intentionally mislead” or through their own stupidity they can’t understand.
The lost word is the Logos, and of course the ship that even Neo in the last Matrix movie is on is called the
Logos, and he goes to see the Grand Architect of the Universe. All pure freemasonry. It’s Jehovah once
again. It’s the same character that you must overcome in “2001 Space Odyssey” by Arthur C. Clarke. One of
them overcame the son which is Hal and the son was in charge of the natural laws. It’s the same story over
and over and over again, but in Masonry when they raise a Mason up, they give them the lost word.
Jackie: And the lost word is Logos?
Alan: No. Memre. Memre and that means in Hebrew the lost word. The significance is when you’re raised
up you are the lost word. To them the soul is only the primitive part that animates all life and of course with
them they believe because they have the perfect physical bodies interbred at the top level of aristocracy,
then they can reincarnate their own perfect original spirits that were cast down to earth to inhabit these
perfect interbred bodies.
Jackie: When you talk about the perfect body, I have a videotape here. It’s a black-and-white that was
taped in the area where the Jews lived in Germany and a lot of them were just ugly. They had no chins. Do
you suppose you could comment on that?
Alan: You should look at the chin lists or microgenia as it’s called.
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
August 30, 2004
Jackie: Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Our spiritual message this evening is from Ephesians
6 beginning with verse 10.
“Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armor
of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and
blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to
withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.”
Alan Watt, thanks again for being with us again tonight.
Alan: Yes, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: What does that passage there say to you, Alan?
Alan: That Ephesians message brings in different hierarchies of powers. One is a sort of spiritual power. The
other one is a temporal power, the rulers of the darkness basically. Darkness in that sense always meant in
secrecy. That’s what it meant, and if you go into the age-old religion that’s behind all religions that
encompasses the spiritual side of their reincarnation that they believe into the physical body so they become
the temporal rulers of the world. As they say, “as above, so below” and in the high meaning of it in Masonry
it means bringing in the high spirit of their own ancestors into the perfected physical spirit of their genetic
lines. That’s what this is about really.
Jackie: Do you think that Paul knew what was happening; he understood what you just said?
Alan: I think he would have to, because he was a Pharisee. He’d been trained in the rabbinical schools and
all rabbis know that reincarnation has been the main theme of Judaism from then up until the present day.
Jackie: They don’t talk about an afterlife, at least through the lower classes, their lesser brethren, but they
don’t really have as part of their religion an afterlife.
Alan: The lower orders are allowed basically to believe in whatever they wish to believe in. The higher
orders of course have their own separate religion. Albert Pike said every religion has an exoteric and an
esoteric group basically and Judaism was no different.
Jackie: For our listeners just in case somebody doesn’t differentiate esoteric meaning and inner secret
meaning or coded almost I guess isn’t it?
Alan: Yes. It’s initiated through to higher degrees.
Jackie: And exoteric being the outward ostensible meaning for the profane.
Alan: For the masses. That’s why the Catholic mass is for the mass.
Jackie: Is that what that means?
Alan: Yes. Eusebius was one of the popes and he wrote about it. He said when the doors are closed or after
the masses have gone, we priests have our own secret religion.
Jackie: There was a pope named Eusebius? There was a historian in Constantine’s time named Eusebius,
too.
Alan: It was Eusebius then, too. It was written about… Albert Pike once again, mentions him too, so this
has been written about and well understood all down through the ages. It’s interesting that everyone is
basically worshipping what they think is the god that rules the world, but the god that rules the world is
supposed to be Lucifer or Satan. Those who follow Satan or Satan’s ways become the leaders of the world
system and that is the religion behind all of this. The Creator himself even, according to Judaism, created
everything and basically sort of left to go somewhere else and they say that in their own writings that no one
can understand the mind of the Creator and that ultimately the Creator himself would not return until the
Great Work was completed.
Jackie: And they’re speaking about Lucifer?
Alan: Who is running this world in the meantime? Who is it that everyone is praying to?
Jackie: When they say the Creator will return when the Great Work is done they’re referring to Lucifer?
Alan: They’re referring to their own role because some rabbis have published books about the role of
Judaism and they tell you in comparative religion studies that Judaism is an active religion working towards
an end. When you look at what the end is, they say it’s to bring about the international brotherhood of man
and when that’s completed there will be no more function for Judaism as such. If you ask Masons what their
role is as Masons, they tell you it’s to bring about the international brotherhood of man. If you ask the Sikhs
of India, who are also a masonically created group, what their function is, it’s to bring about the international
brotherhood of man. There are many groups.
Jackie: That’s just one little cozy club, isn’t it?
Alan: It certainly is. Communism was the same under the guise of communism. Theosophy is exactly the
same, and that book I mentioned to you that you couldn’t find it’s called “Things to Come”. That was
published by the Lucius Trust, which used to be the Lucifer Trust, New York, and it was by Foster Bailey in
fact and it was 1974 that it was published. It has the whole agenda here including the need to give up
private property, which Albert Pike, the Pope of Freemasonry also said, and everyone must be born to fulfill
a duty to the world state. It’s all in there and the hierarchy which they call the hidden hierarchy started to
emerge into public view in about the 1970’s. These are the bloodlines who, for the first time, have actually
come into politics and yet these are still the lesser of the hierarchy, and towards the time we’re living in now,
they claim, that the real hierarchy, the top ones will start to emerge for world government. It’s all underway.
Jackie: This Foster Bailey, you said that’s Alice Bailey’s brother?
Alan: I believe it was.
Jackie: Wasn’t she quite a bit older?
Alan: You’ve got to remember this is a big family and they also have connections with British Royalty. The
same as Annie Besant. They’re all AB’s you’ll notice. Alice Bailey and again that’s part of their coding system.
Jackie: What does AB mean?
Alan: AB is an altered being and Abraham was an altered one, too.
Jackie: What does that mean?
Alan: It means that they’re of a bloodline that’s has highly selected mates, or had them selected for them,
all down through the ages and so they’re inbred to an extent, because they do believe in the perfect
reincarnation of the perfect spirit “as above” and to the perfectly genetically interbred families “as below”
here on earth, and that’s what they call the pure Aryan race. What’s interesting is this is being pushed big
time by the UN. You’ll find all the same terminology – the global village – all this kind of thing in that
particular book.
Jackie: The Lucius Trust is headquartered in the UN complex.
Alan: Yes, I know it certainly was.
Jackie: UN Plaza or something like that.
Alan: They have a temple inside the UN, a meditation room with a green stone; and interesting enough,
David Rockefeller uses a lot of the theosophical terminology in his speeches so I’m sure he’s a member.
Jackie: Did you know that an Israeli firm had bought the UN Plaza?
Alan: I didn’t hear that one.
Jackie: Yes, they’re really getting blatant. There’s Paul mentioning that he was a Pharisee and there are
indications that he was actually beyond just Pharisee but that he was a member of the Sanhedrin because a
listener was reading to me from Jewish information and it said that it was the custom that if somebody was
going to stone, a person who initiated the stoning had to throw his cloak at the feet of a member of the
Sanhedrin. In the biblical story when they were getting ready to stone Steven the cloak was thrown at Paul’s
feet and that is indicative that he was very probably a member of the Sanhedrin and the Pharisees – I’ve got
a quote where the Pharisees themselves had stated that if the lower classes, the lesser brethren ever
discovered Jehovah was a phantom god that they would lose all of their control and their whole plan would
be down the tubes.
Alan: It wouldn’t surprise me because it is an active religion working towards a definite agenda, and I think
it was Prime Minister Begin that gave a speech on the role of Israel when he said the world court would
eventually be moved to Israel and that would be its prime function, to be the court of mankind. Some of
them have been pretty honest about what they see as their goal.
Jackie: And probably because they know that very, very few people will pay attention to what they say.
Alan: Yes. People are very odd that way. If they can actually hear something important being said in
speeches but dismiss it and think the person has his own opinion type of thing, but when these characters
get up and make these speeches this is not their opinion. This is the agenda. It’s well documented really in
all the different speeches when you go through them and even the first prime minister of Israel gave the
same speech that Begin later gave about the world court being moved there. It shouldn’t surprise us that
they would want that to go there.
Jackie: You know there are so many – in fact it has been said that there are 40 million Judeo-Christians
today or fundamentalists. They’re calling themselves Christian Zionists, who are totally, absolutely, from their
heart, pushing and supporting Israel, no matter what. Israel forever. Israel, we love you and they shout this
at their meetings and there’s so many more of them than the Jews, and it occurs to me that that collective
thought, because the power of the spoken word and the power of our thoughts, when they can get millions
of people believing that deeply and that intensely, they’re helping bring that into the physical.
Alan: They are. As I say, it’s a much older religion than people realize because this was taught to all the
Greek aristocracy when they were all sent to study in Egypt, and Pythagoras came back with that philosophy
and the goal of the Great Work, and of course he started up with their own little schools and these schools
all led the youth to revolution. Therefore, this would be done through revolution down through the ages and
it’s still going on. What I’m saying is this is a much older religion than what people think. It pre-existed
Judaism. It ran through Babylon and Egypt. All the Greek aristocrats and philosophers studied in Egypt and
then were sent out after their initiation to start up schools for youth, and each school that they setup
became a place of admission, a monastery you might say and what they were taught is how to go out into
the world and create revolution. Egypt was teaching revolution to these initiates like Pythagoras, for
instance.
Jackie: When you say revolutions are you talking like American Revolution, Russian Revolution, all the
revolutions.
Alan: All the revolutions, yes.
Jackie: And of course, the elders of the Jews say we are behind all revolutions.
Alan: Well, maybe they claim that but I think that’s a boast.
Jackie: See, it’s so confusing – the word Jew – because it makes you wonder; the ones who are referred to
as the elders called themselves Jews. Is that to cause confusion and they created this religion called Judaism
or Talmudism to combine the people and use them? I mean they admit that it’s been the lesser brethren that
has been used, along with Christians. Well, all the religions actually. All been created to move this plan
forward but would they be of that elite status that you’re talking about, and not what we know as Jews
today?
Alan: Again, according to theosophy and Albert Pike of the Scottish Rite of Masonry, also called the Rite of
Perfection, they both said that they, meaning going back to the days of Pythagoras, had been behind the
creation of all major religions and revolutions.
Jackie: It would be that international priesthood you told us about?
Alan: That’s right. Adam Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati. He was only one branch in his lifetime,
and they got exposed basically. Weishaupt himself said that we must never go into lodges under our real
name. Therefore they adopted many different front names for their actual religion. Some of them in
Germany were called the Beenan Order (the Order of the Bees). That’s why they had the beehive as their
symbol and you’ll see George Washington – remember 1776 is no coincidence for Weishaupt or Washington,
and Washington has the beehive down in the corner of his famous painting. He certainly said that he knew
the Illuminati were in America and I’m sure he definitely did know. These guys have been behind all
revolutions down through history. Napoleon Bonaparte, again, had a cloak make covered with golden bees
that he took from a tomb in Egypt. You have the Mormons, another masonically created group and of course
they have on their flag there in Utah, the beehive. The beehive is very important to them and you go all the
way back to Plato and he said we shall create major cities, which are artificial creations, to change the world
and these cities will be our beehives. This goes on and on down through the ages.
Jackie: That’s what a city reminds you of, isn’t it?
Alan: It’s artificial. You see it’s either the natural system that was created here or you have the artificial
system. The natural system remains pretty static for thousands or millions of generations. And natural was
living with nature as it was given to us. The artificial system is alteration through science for science’s sake,
stage by stage, to an ultimate goal where everything will be reordered, and in masonry they say their job is
to perfect that which was left imperfect, and by that, they mean everything in the world, including basic man
himself.
Jackie: That’s why they want to do world cleansing, and get the people in the rural areas into their artificial
cities?
Alan: Yes, the human habitat areas of the United Nations, that’s what they are.
Jackie: So they can control – that was in the Old Testament there in the story of Joseph, after the people
had no money because he created a depression and then they sold themselves and their children into
slavery for the food that they had grown, and then it said that Joseph gathered up all the people from the
country and brought them into the cities. It’s right there. I hate to use this word enlightenment; it is a real
word, isn’t it?
Alan: I was just going to talk about that in fact. In this particular book “Things to Come” by the Theosophy
Society it says here on page 27:
“There’s an international group of people trained in meditation who meet at the appointed time and place in
three centers representing or associated with the three main spiritual focal points in the human family. There
are five such points as the esoteric teaching has told us. The three most active now are New York, London
and Geneva affecting the American Continent, Britain and the Commonwealth and Europe including Russia.
At each of these three centers or triangles these groups meet and follow a meditative ritual on world
goodwill.”
Now they explain world goodwill is forcing their will onto the public, who then basically copy these ideas that
come into their head towards the Divine Plan and become international and so on. It says:
“The purpose is to increase the flow of goodwill; it’s called a form.”
They talk about creating a form of energy and actually pushing it on or into this triangle of humanity, who
then carry out their wishes, and they say that the people who attend the three main triangles are called the
hidden hierarchy. Later on in the book on page 31 it said:
“Maintaining an unimpeded relationship with the hierarchy and the Christ (and they have a different
definition of the Christ) we consciously extend the alignment and identification outward into humanity to
include all points of light…
Remember George Bush Sr. said, “a thousand points of light?”
“…in the human family where the energy of goodwill is active.”
Now these NGO groups that have been created by the big philanthropic organizations like the Rockefeller
Foundation, the Ford Foundation, Carnegie and so on sponsor and actually start up NGOs, each working
towards complete internationalism with a new way of living for everyone and they are called points of light.
Jackie: A thousand points of light. And when they say the Christ, what do they mean?
Alan: The Christ is to be the ultimate ruler whose word is law – the king of the world, a king of the world
who uses logic and science.
Jackie: Okay. So they’re not talking on a spiritual nature here?
Alan: They claim their Christ will be their spirit, you might say, but they’re not talking about the one that
people expect from a Christian point of view.
Jackie: That’s why it’s also confusing. When they say white we should think black, shouldn’t we?
Alan: That’s correct.
Jackie: And when they say light we should think darkness because everything they do is an absolute mirror
reflection of what is spiritually so, like a negative.
Alan: That’s right. They did also publish a book called “The Reappearance of the Christ” and that also goes
into their idea of what they mean by a Christ.
Jackie: They are using their creative energy which is subjective, is that it, or objective? It’s neutral, in other
words.
Alan: It’s an active energy.
Jackie: Yes. And it can be used for good and it can be used for evil.
Alan: Again, going all the way back to Plato, who was a member of this mystery religion and who was
initiated into the high degrees and three main centers in ancient times 2,500 years ago; he was initiated into
the high degrees of a few temples in Egypt and then he went on to India and then he went somewhere else
after that, three main centers. He talks about the creation of energy forms and that’s the usual term that’s
used is form, that every thought can create a form and an experienced mind uses certain techniques; they
can create a form which will travel to its destination and literally impart its knowledge or its program you
might say into a targeted recipient. This is very real stuff to them.
Jackie: On the very opposite side, it’s the same thing as if we send a prayer of love or protection to
somebody. That thought form goes and actually literally can protect.
Alan: Yes that’s right. This has been used for thousands of years and this mystery sect, you might call it, is
behind all the different sects have been literally building humanity. That’s what Masonry means.
Freemasonry is building society stage by stage as you would build a temple, and if you noticed in the old
cathedrals in Europe, they would often build a structure near the base of the temple like scaffolding. Once
that’s completed its job they take that structure away, so once a previous program has completed its
function it’s then destroyed and they build again on top of the new, and of course in theosophy, which is
probably one of the most open fronts of freemasonry; they tell you that their job is to build society towards
this tremendous future they have planned for us. All of the higher members you see on TV, the politicians
use this particular terminology of theosophy in nearly all of their speeches. Therefore, they are master
builders as they claim, but they want a world where science is merged with spirit, as they put it, and
eventually they plan to rebuild mankind himself or maybe itself, because I don’t think in the future for the
masses there will be any male or female, since they’ll come out with the hermaphroditic worker to serve the
hierarchy. There will be a hierarchy in this so called classless world, strangely enough, and probably the best
reward a person in the future will get will be the right to have themselves cloned rather than have offspring.
That’s what the reward will be for serving the world masters.
Jackie: Lets start from the beginning, creation. They can not create anything. They can only use the stuff of
creation.
Alan: Yes, the material present.
Jackie: I have read that every cell has that spark of the creator within it. Like every cell is in a sense a
universe of its own and I’ve wondered if an individual is cloned, does that clone contain that same life
energy of creation?
Alan: It would have the same energy but it would not have the same exact personality unless they found a
way to implant a soul. They’re already working towards the transference of human memory into computers
as a part way stage from transferring that memory into a duplicate, a clone. They are working hard on that,
and whenever they tell us they’re working on something, I’ve always found that they’ve done it long ago.
Jackie: False memories. I thought about the movie that Schwarzenegger played in. I think it was called
“Total Recall” and it was in a future time and he wanted to go on a vacation so he went to some office some
place. Sat in a chair, they put electrodes to his head and he took a trip. Is that what you’re talking about?
Alan: That’s a way of doing it. However, this religion that’s been here forever with the aristocracies
inbreeding down through the ages in all countries with their own religion, where they claim that their own
predecessors in the family trees can be reincarnated into the same future family trees, if they keep their
bloodlines pure. Now when you go back to their origin where they claim that they did not belong to this
planet, it actually makes sense. They claim they were cast out of wherever they came from, and imprisoned
here basically, but they still retained more powers than the natives on this planet; and through their own
will, being pure energy and light, through their own will they literally manipulated matter by their mental
powers alone, and created the first perfect human bodies that they could inhabit as perfect spirit. We’re
talking about what some would say demons, some would say fallen angels, but we’re talking about this
particular group. Their offspring are still present today, and their own claims, and hence the reason for the
secrecy, and hence also the reason for their tremendous inbreeding and genealogical searches before they
can get married and so on. They have a saying in masonry: “as above, so below”, so what they mean is the
perfect spirits can come into the perfect bodies from the same family trees, going all the way back to these
first humanoid creations that they created for themselves by their own will power. The difference being that
the rest of the people here were native to the planet and are therefore commoners. We breed
indiscriminately. Most people don’t even know who their great grandfather was, or care, and we breed in
common but these characters kept their genealogy lines pure, going all the way back to the end of one of
the ages. Supposedly it was the flood. The flood is registered in the same mystery religions in three main
places. One was Mt. Parnassus in Greece and the elite of Greece went into the mountain there and
supposedly survived the floods. We have Mt. Ararat which is riddled with tunnels and there was another one
they think in the Himalayas where the Northern Brahmans claimed they survived the flood as well. They all
had one thing in common, and that is again perfect breeding down through their genealogies. The reason
Noah was supposedly picked was for one reason alone. Not because he was good or any different from
anyone else but because he was perfect in his generation, in his inbreeding. That was the only reason he
survived. We’re looking at a eugenics program basically, and of course, aristocracy is nothing but a eugenics
program. We worship kings and queens today because of their genealogical inbreeding.
Jackie: And those rulers weren’t even of the same nationality; Catherine the Great was from Germany but
they were all inbred anyway; she wasn’t a Russian.
Alan: I mean the present British Royal family have three main houses, all related though. The proper name
is Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Then of course they’re related to the old Habsburgs and so on and so on. They’re all
interrelated and literally…why are they worshipped any differently than anyone else? It’s purely because of
their bloodlines that they’re there and being worshipped. People are actually worshipping a eugenics
program when you think about it.
Jackie: They were the “fallen angels” that were cast out, the high spiritual beings and they made with their
minds the perfect human body for them to reside in. What about the rest of us?
Alan: The rest of us consists of the original species according to them…they claim again that this creator
that created everything and everything on these places, and whom they rebelled against, created mankind
or humankind, and they claim of course we had very low intellect and so on. I’ve noticed that in all Masonic
writings and scientific writings in anthropology and anthropological studies and in economic studies, they all
complain about “stagnant civilizations” like tribal civilizations: American Indians, the Africans and so on. The
people who lived the same way as their ancestors did and seemed to have no drive to go any further,
meaning “improvement,” and so anything that was natural is anathema and an utter enemy to those who
are working towards this great work of scientific recreation.
Jackie: And they slaughter children without blinking an eye. The American Indian or Native Americans
whenever they killed an animal for their food, they thanked the soul of that animal for giving them the
nourishment. That to me is so much closer to what is real.
Alan: We see again the allegories and the metaphors of Eden, which these characters gave us, by the way,
have tremendous truths in them. You can either be in paradise and accept it as it is or, if you leave paradise,
you’re on a one-way road of alteration to eventually obliteration of all that was.
Jackie: Are you talking about the artificial cities and the artificial everything?
Alan: Yes, and they are altering humankind now. All the sexual liberation and so on were definitely planned
and pushed from the top. Nothing ever comes from the grass roots and succeeds. Everything comes from
the top down and it changes what we want made, and of course our psyche is being changed all the time
until you have gender bending and so on, and we are ready for the first clones or even hermaphroditic
creations to be put in front of our faces, and then there will be a whole new bunch of laws to do with that
and their rights and so on, and the public are ready now, because they’ve lost their cultures. They’ve been
de-culturalized.
Jackie: You had mentioned that our cultures have always been given to us, and suddenly it occurred to me
because of the ‘bios’ man in the biosphere they literally claim that every living thing on this planet is equal.
In other words, the very lowest one-celled amoeba is equal to human beings.
Alan: Even for that you have to go into the pharaohs of Egypt. Now a pharaoh again was a spiritual
incarnation of one of these initial rebels who were put here and he was also the physical descendent of that
same lineage that they created. They came into Egypt. In fact they had red and blonde hair, and blue and
green eyes and they wore wigs and they found them in the tombs. A pharaoh – and this goes to the
Biodiversity treaty – you’ll see praises written for the pharaoh by the high priests, and pharaoh ruled
everything. He owned and ruled everything that flew above the earth, walked and crawled on the earth and
lived underneath the earth, and to the pharaoh everything was his property, right down to the smallest
insect.
Jackie: And we are an organism, as it was stated in that book that I got, “Cogs in the Wheel”, like in Russia
they said in the Soviet Union. People aren’t born, organisms are born and we turn them into people; you
mentioned that they give us our culture and then you go back to culturing organisms in a Petri dish; this
whole planet and all of us here are their huge Petri dish, and they’re culturing us!
Alan: Yes. They give us their culture. Again, Plato in “The Republic” talks about that; the public can’t
remember their original culture and yet they’ll fight and die to retain what they think is their own, never
knowing that it was actually given to them as an upgrade on the last one, and it will also be destroyed as
they demolish the ‘old temple’ and build the ‘new’. That’s what they mean by that. It’s the old body. It’s the
old culture. It’s the old system and the new temple is the new structure. All of that.
Jackie: And genetically engineering the body through the genetically modified food.
Alan: The food, the inoculations, through releasing bacterium. Nanotechnology. They can create viruses
now which can act like little builders inside you body and alter any organ.
Jackie: It’s almost like those viruses have a mind of their own – thought processes.
Alan: They’re programmed.
Jackie: They have a certain function. Will you come back with us tomorrow night?
Alan: Sure.
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“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
August 31, 2004
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Jackie: Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Alan Watt is back again with us tonight. I want to share a very
nice thing with you here before we begin. This was emailed to me. I don’t know who wrote it. It’s called “Perspective.”
“One day a father of a very wealthy family took his son on a trip to the country with the firm purpose of
showing his son how poor people live. They spent a couple of days and nights on the farm of what would be considered
a very poor family. On their return from the trip, the father asked. How was the trip? It was great dad. Did you see how
poor people live, the father asked? Oh yes. So tell me, what did you learn from the trip? The son answered I saw that we
have one dog and they have four. We have a pool that reaches to the middle of our garden and they have a creek that has
no end. We have imported lanterns in our garden and they have the stars at night. Our patio reaches to the front yard and
they have the whole horizon. We have a small piece of land to live on and they have fields that go beyond our sight. We
have servants who serve us but they serve others. We buy our food but they grow theirs. We have walls around our
property to protect us. They have friends to protect them. The boy’s father was speechless and then the son added,
“Thanks dad for showing me how poor we are.” Isn’t perspective a wonderful thing? Makes you wonder what would
happen if we all gave thanks for everything we have instead of worrying about what we don’t have. Appreciate every
single thing you have, especially your friends.”
Alan, thank you for joining us tonight.
Alan: Yes, it’s a pleasure to be on.
Jackie: Our song, “Sweet Liberty” is part of the plan, it’s in our hands, or is it a state of mind? What do you think?
Alan: It depends whose plan it is, and back to the perspective where are you looking upon it from.
Jackie: I was thinking is it a state of mind? In this world we have to be some place where it’s free.
Alan: Well that’s it, yes. That’s the last bastion, your mind itself. You have privacy most of the time inside your head –
if you use your own head, that is. Most people open up their heads to all the media and the incessant sound that’s put out
there for us to absorb. Very few people use the private space that they have.
Jackie: Time is precious and if we aren’t then it’s time we thought about giving time for that, isn’t it?
Alan: Oh it is, yes. Unfortunately again, people are trained to get up in the morning and turn the radio on and some
people today can’t go to sleep without a radio or a TV on, and it’s the greatest gift you have, the ability to think, and yet
we give it away so easily.
Jackie: And it’s in the silence where most of the really fruitful thinking is done.
Alan: Oh yes, absolutely.
Jackie: I wrote here, organism, red hair and I circled it and we were going pick up. Will you refresh what you were
talking about?
Alan: We were talking about royal dynasties and aristocracies that rule over peoples. They’re viewed from the peoples’
standpoint as belonging to them but in reality they’re not, because these rulers have never interbred with the people they
rule over.
Jackie: Are they the ones you said that had red hair?
Alan: In Egypt they were. They have opened some of the tombs there and actually found the shreds of red hair and the
black wigs that they wore on top of it.
Jackie: And blue eyes and green eyes?
Alan: Yes, and you’ll see that in many of their statues in fact to the higher pharaohs and the nobility.
Jackie: In Egypt? That doesn’t fit – you’ve already said that the rulers are never the same nationality as those they rule
over, but that sounds like the white race.
Alan: It’s definitely a white race, and again it goes back into the legends of the super-white race that were almost albino
in the beginning and that goes back to the ancient mystery religion of the ones who were cast here to the earth and the
first bodies they created for themselves were basically pure albino. You find traces of this same story with the Greeks
talking about the troglodytes that lived inside caves and inside mountains with the pinkish eyes and the blonde hair and
very white skin. Then, of course, in the Old Testament they use the same term but in a different language for
troglodytes. They call them the Horites. The Horites were the people who lived in the mountains and in caves in the
north of Israel, and the Tribe of Manasseh was given that area next to them and they interbred with the troglodytes and
the Tribe of Manasseh, who’s emblem, by the way, is the eagle, who hold arrows in one hand and the olive branch in the
other. They came back after interbreeding over a century or so with these people. It’s a very fierce war-like people who
made war on the rest of Israel at one point and they had red hair and blue or green eyes.
Jackie: It’s very confusing to me; in all appearance the white race is being done away with. It’s being mingled and
mixed and if that was the royalty or the elite, what has happened? How did this all get switched around or what am I
missing here?
Alan: I think the different races or creeds you might say were interbred until they obtained those specific races,
including what we think of as the white race. Not the actual troglodytes or these albino types or the ones that we see
visibly as the elite but the originators of the ones who created their own bodies that were cast to earth. I think they
created the different races and the white man was to be the worker bee.
Jackie: If they were white, is that God creating man in his image?
Alan: Oh no. This wasn’t God creating man.
Jackie: If they were the gods or so-called gods and they created a white race to be the laborers, that sounds just like that
thing in the Bible that says in the beginning let us make man in our image. Does that have anything to do with that?
Alan: Very probably, because I have no doubt that that particular religion was put out there as a control mechanism and
over the bulk of the people and for an esoteric religion, for those ‘in the know’.
Jackie: How it is the people who claim and believe the white man is the true “chosen”? They’ve done bloodline studies
or they’ve studied under somebody who gave them bloodline studies, and they have deduced and concluded without a
doubt in their own minds that the chosen ones are the real Hebrews, the real Israelites. Where do they come up with the
bloodlines that would trace the “white race” back to the people that are allegedly of the Anglo-Saxon Nordic race? Is
there evidence of that? Is there evidence that some of those tribes over there at that time were white?
Alan: Judging from today – when you compare present DNA samples with people from the Middle East there’s really
no connection.
Jackie: There is no connection. Well, they believe that those lost tribes were the real chosen and migrated out of that
area and that today that is us.
Alan: Yes, I’ve heard that same story. In fact they also claimed that on the exodus from Egypt, some of them left much
earlier and left by ship and they were also supposedly some of the white ones.
Jackie: Have you read historical information that would confirm that?
Alan: It’s so mixed with legend at that stage that it’s hard to get any proof. You get many believers because they want to
believe it but the actual evidence is very hard to pick up on.
Jackie: You want to get into the ‘chosen one’?
Alan: See, all religions are elitist to begin with because it doesn’t matter who you’re following you believe that you’ve
been chosen to follow it and you’re now one of the chosen, whether you’re Buddhist even.
Jackie: In the Old Testament Jehovah or Yahweh has said that “when I made a covenant with Abraham and Jacob and
Isaac he knew me only as Lord God Almighty, but you know me by the name Jehovah. I’m going to take you to be my
people and I will be to you a god”.
Alan: Yes, it’s a selection process by someone who claims to be a god. As you say, a god, and in the present day
mystery religion as in the ancient one. It’s the same one those that attain supposedly all of the experiences of the degrees
literally call themselves gods, so in a sense something, I’m sure somebody did appear to them and say yes I’m your new
god. You have the qualities of the followers I want and I’ll let you into the secrets basically. It’s never been any
different. In present-day Kabbalism, anyone who gets to the top in any profession, even money-lending, if you were the
top man you have achieved godhood in the Kabbalah.
Jackie: I’m focusing on the fact that a lot of people who take the Bible or the Old Testament all the way to the back
covers, that every word in it is inspired word of God and that our creator, the creator of all that is would choose a
particular group of people. That is so insane to me.
Alan: Well, it is insane, because it’s nonsense. What you’re getting there is the beginning really of a system being born
and a mystery religion which would run the system from behind. That’s what that was.
Jackie: These chosen people were told that they were going to rule every inch of land that their feet step on and that
kings will bow to their feet and strangers will tend their vineyards; and for a “Christian” to even want people bowing to
you and carrying you here and there. It also said there that “you will loan to nations and borrow from none” and that just
doesn’t fit.
Alan: It does if you’re into creating a take-over corporation; and that’s all it is, a take-over corporation.
Jackie: You mean Jehovah took over from another god?
Alan: Whoever came up with the idea had a good idea of the take-over business.
Jackie: Are you saying that the priesthood battled within themselves within their ranks?
Alan: There’s no doubt that the priesthood knew; things did not begin with the Hebrews. The world has been here
much, much longer. It’s been through many empires lost in time and lost in history and there have been many bids by
the evil-doers, you might call them, on the planet to take the whole world into their own control and under their own
control for complete and total control, as you see happening today. However, ‘something’, the real creator, always steps
in at the grand finale and seems to lay them low again and hence they go into hiding. They go back into the mystery
religions because they are hunted. They have to keep secrecy, and they work steadily and patiently inter-generationally
for again many thousands of years to try to take over the whole thing again. This is their history.
Jackie: When you say “the real creator steps in,” that’s saying that our creator actively gets involved in what’s going on.
That’s beyond my ability to comprehend.
Alan: Long before the so-called mystery religions, it was said that everyone on earth, the natural people who lived here
could converse freely on a one-to-one basis with their creator. There was no priesthood, and eventually over a period of
time this creator left the world running like a clock basically. Then they claim that there was a war between these other
beings and the creator and these beings were cast here and they are the ones who started the whole ball rolling of trying
to conquer everything through the use of science basically, leading to a definite end where they would control
everything in the world, on the world and ultimately above the world, which is part of their main goal as well. They
have tried at least seven times according to the Brahmans to do this, but the secret is that the creator himself puts his fate
into the lives of some people during that period. In other words, if there’s something worth saving here or changing he
will come back and change it. This was written about in religions pre-existing the Hebrews.
Jackie: Wherever this thing originated, because what it’s saying then is that the Creator comes and goes, and if that
source of all that is is within everything, the creator can’t go anywhere. The creator is.
Alan: What they used to say too is the impulses or thought or even your own spirit basically which comes to you if your
soul is searching for it, emerges with you into one, body, soul and spirit then you are basically now in tune with the
emanations that come from the creator. That’s how they used to phrase it.
Jackie: But then if every cell in our body is a part of creation then life would just be. It wouldn’t have to be something
that we would call down or call in. I mean we can certainly deny it. We can turn our back on it figuratively of course but
we cannot be separated from our creator.
Alan: We can actually cut ourselves off from the emanations.
Jackie: In other words, by denying it and cutting ourselves off from it; it isn’t that the Creator goes somewhere, it’s that
we make a choice.
Alan: We do make a choice.
Jackie: We make a choice to not be consciously aware that the creator is within us and there’s nothing that’s going to
change that. Whether we believe it or not it doesn’t change it and I do understand that for the individual that doesn’t
believe that or know it then it would be a separation because the separation is in the mind.
Alan: Yes, it’s a choice, as I say.
Jackie: I then can understand we would be humming along at a totally different ‘vibratory level’ so to speak and so
therefore at that level there would probably be no sense, no awareness of the connection. I don’t grasp it any other way.
That’s the only thing that makes any sense. So this is their story then of their history?
Alan: They put a certain spin on things since they write most of the histories. They will also let certain truths out, but
with a different spin on it. That’s the reasons for the wherefores or whatever to themselves. However, the fact is they are
always terrified during the “grand finale” as they call it where they build their Towers of Babel and whether the ‘one’
which is the tower or the UN, which is the French for the one, it’s all the same things. It’s a boast of their virility through
the generations and by that they also mean the spiritual virility they claim that they have. Through their own will power
they have planned the world for thousands of years and are now achieving their goal.
Jackie: And their will power is not stronger than ours?
Alan: It certainly isn’t. In fact, for some reason or another, they have much less really real power, you might say.
Jackie: Because they’re misusing it, aren’t they?
Alan: It’s more than just that. You can achieve “spiritual awareness,” you might say, by yourself. If your soul is seeking
it, you will achieve it; or you can try and take the short-cut of the world, which is to join a freemasonic society in one of
its many thousands of names and try and get it by degrees, which is basically taking entities into you with each degree
that you take. These entities, since they are the ones who were cast here in the first place, they are imprisoned here, so
their prison is the world. Therefore, they have a certain amount of power within the world, not total power but they can’t
go beyond the world. That’s what I would like to say. They are imprisoned. They cannot go beyond the world. That’s
why their boast is always to conquer space and rise higher than the Creator, because this world and its atmosphere is
their prison.
Jackie: You had said one time that the creatures that we see that we believe are in control believe that they are gods and
that the ones who actually are in control know of the power that is within each and everyone of us, because they know
that there is a higher power way beyond this physical earth and they’re scared to death that too many people might wake
up to the fact that we don’t have to twist ourselves in a pretzel and pray to a saint or pray to Mary to communicate with
our Creator, and that it is within us. See that is the message that Jesus was trying to get across.
Alan: He also taught the main way to do it is through basically self-analysis of one’s life.
Jackie: Know yourself.
Alan: Yes, and it’s an ongoing thing all through your life; and strangely enough, it’s when you’re looking at yourself that
spiritual awareness comes to you, because sincerity is needed for it to occur.
Jackie: We’re looking at ourselves because we want to walk in that path that was laid down before us and shown to us.
I’m looking at it right now, Psalm 139: “Search me Father. Know my heart. Test me. Know my anxious thoughts. See if
there is any offense way in me and lead me in the way everlasting.” That is my fervent prayer.
Alan: However, sincerity is needed for that to occur. When people join Masonic-type societies and go through formulas
and rituals where you sort of earn your degree or your demon as you work your way up there, and you get the fruits of
the world through unmerited favor, you get the job, you get the business, you get, et cetera, et cetera. That’s for the
people who belong to this world. They have chosen that, so any powers they receive through even the demonic
influences that are involved in it, don’t have the power of the Creator that’s within, and is also given to you by the
Creator. They don’t have that same kind of power.
Jackie: When they talk about the Creator coming back, the high hosts of heaven, spiritual beings that are not incarnated
into this physical world, being one with Creator, and maybe being part of a protective shield, that is really in a sense
saying the same thing, isn’t it?
Alan: It’s similar.
Jackie: The Creator coming back, because the Creator can’t leave.
Alan: Well, the Creator can be anywhere. This is only one of many existences, really. We’re all in Plato’s Cave here.
You know Plato’s Cave, the allegory about being born a cave and it has it’s own theories as to what this cave is and it’s
their whole world and so everything that they learn is related to this cave. Our whole culture, history, religion and so on
has been given to us and keeps us in a mind-set where we’re so limited to anything beyond it. In fact, if you leave the
cave you still try and relate new things that you see and experience back to that cave. That’s what you find today people
still, as they learn about the myth-makers of organized religion, they still try to find a view of life that still fits somehow
with that view of that cave and, because of that, it stops them from really seeing what is really there or the other
possibilities that are outside of this. It’s like everything you look at today is just composed of vibrations and different
frequencies. The lower the frequency the more solid it appears. The higher the frequency the more light and transparent
it seems, and time itself is simply matter, which is this cave in motion.
Jackie: In other words, time is now, and that is a concept that I can intellectualize, but I don’t experience that.
Alan: Time seems to us to be going in one direction, although we have memory of time past. Because we have fixed
laws here does not mean that, outside of this cave, those laws apply. Basically, if you were to go faster than the speed of
how matter is traveling through space and what we are used to, where would you end up? Would you still end up in a
further part of that same space or would you enter into a new dimension, you see? Really, past and future are simply
dimensions. One exists ghostly because it’s in the past, and one sometimes bright but still a little dim because it’s yet to
come.
Jackie: Do you think that the possibility is that what happens in time, right now, on every single dimension, affects
every other dimension?
Alan: I’m sure it does.
Jackie: I think it probably does. You know what that calls to us, Alan, that everything we do, right now, means
everything. Right now is what matters because it affects everything. It is like we had talked about all of us how we feel
separate because we have these separate bodies and yet we are all one and we are all of one mind and you said this one
time and I loved it. I could literally see it. A thought that we have or a word that we speak right here because it is in the
mind and we are all of one mind. Somebody on the other side of the earth would get that thought.
Alan: Again, the controllers know this themselves, and they practice this. Arnold Toynbee, who was a philosopher and
a teacher for Rhodes Scholars and very active in creating global governance, gave a speech in Denmark in 1932 and he
said “a thought that originates in someone’s mind at the moment, an original thought is instantly broadcast all over the
world.” He said, people who are naturally (we’re all psychic he said) and that’s something they try to stop people from
thinking about. He said that people all over the world will pick up that thought out of the ether as soon as it’s thought
instantly and that thought can influence them in their lives from then on, if it’s an original creative type of thought. It
goes back to what we spoke about earlier, how they’ve conditioned the public through the trick of the elect, which is
electric, to get up in the morning and listen to radio and noise, going to work with that radio on, and watch TV at night
and get downloaded with programs, but they don’t sit in silence and simply think, and that’s intentional. The world we’re
living in today was planned that way because to totally control the world and everyone in it, you must have a predictable
society where everyone is predictable. Each individual is predictable. The enemy of global governance (which is really
global slavery), the enemy is individualism. The individual is the enemy and the creative individual is the number one
enemy, and it’s those who can use their mind and who can go into realms within their mind and broadcast thoughts
which are picked up, and you find it out in your own life, because people in your own company will suddenly say what
you just though. That’s common the more you get experience within it. Therefore, they’re terrified of this happening
because they will start losing control.
Jackie: And they do not resonate to the love vibration.
Alan: They do not have any love in them. In fact, they are creatures of instinct. They’re parasites too, because they
could not exist outside of this system they’ve created.
Jackie: They exist on the negative emotions vibrations that they create within us and they suck it up. They live on it.
Alan: When you go into history you should ask yourself why hasn’t one generation had a full generation from birth to
death without war, without a plague coming upon them, a famine being forced generally because of a war, threat of
economic collapse, et cetera, et cetera? This is all intentional because to keep power and maintain power you must
always create the chaos. Fear and anger are the easiest emotions to create. It’s much easier to be angry—hatred – same
thing.
Jackie: I was listening to a religious broadcast and some man called into the show and said we have to hate. In other
words, we’re supposed to hate and maybe hate our enemies or something and this pastor said that we can’t have love
without having hate – and talk about duplicity, but that’s pushing it. I have had people ask me sometimes how can I not
hate them. I said I choose not to because I know they want us to hate and they want us to be angry.
Alan: Yes, and it certainly is an emotion which is fed upon. That’s why sacrifice was always used so mightily in ancient
times. I’m talking about people of course and animals too. They know when they’re going to be killed and there’s a terror
that goes up amongst them, whether it’s animal or human, and it’s the buildup of the terror prior to the sacrifice that
supposedly the deity feeds on. This is still going on today. If you look at the incredible sacrifices to bring global
governance that planned World War I, that planned World War II and all the wars since, and the present ongoing ones
and the billions of pints of blood that’s been spilt for these sacrifices to attain this “oneness” as they call it, it’s incredible
but it has been done. That’s why the United Nations building was built on the largest slaughterhouse in the United
States, and that land is all ritually prepared for the UN. So that was no mistake, you know. They need blood and
sacrifice, terror and fear before they can build their structure. As I say, we’re dealing with this world, with a battle to
retain or even find your own individuality rather than conformity – conforming to something that the priests have made
for you, which is conformity, and how can people find themselves if they don’t even know where to start looking? They
go to organized religions hoping to find themselves and they simply become followers of a preset bunch of rules and
regulations and dogmas, and they’re led right back into the ways of the world and they follow the rules that they’re
given, which the elite have given them, because all religions are meant to make people obey governments, and it doesn’t
matter what religion we’re talking about here.
Maria: From what I’m understanding is that these secret societies aim to achieving whatever they want to achieve, they
need blood sacrifice. And this planet is the planet of duality so if you have a negative you have a positive and I think
this choice is individual and your program really makes people aware of the fact that you do choose, even if you say you
don’t, you just follow whatever road. You do make a choice and people have to understand that.
Alan: If we go into all the Masonic literature, theosophy it’s all the same. I mean they’re all branches of the same thing.
They say there is no such thing ultimately as good or evil, it’s simply the way the force or power is applied; and this all
comes from the Talmud, initially. The Talmud initially came from Babylon which was the ancient capital of the world,
financially and otherwise, and the big question has always been: if that is the case, if it’s the same force being applied,
can good come out of evil? and this part of the doctrine here that they all believe in. If they plan for instance to have a
planned society of the future where everyone will live in habitat areas and conform to this new system that they’re
bringing in, this new way of living, how do we get the people from where they are now to there? We’ll use wars to do it.
We could cause famines in rural areas. In other words, they can cause so many negative things which will cause death
and harm to countless millions all over the world to achieve their goal, but they will say that out of the evil came good,
so the end justified the means. Therefore, in their philosophy there is no such thing as evil, as long as it was planned by
them.
Jackie: And their final intent is goodness, no matter how much evil is committed it’s because it’s for the good. Is that
what they say?
Alan: In accordance with their plan, and interestingly enough, there’s was a Canadian program on one night and they
went into a Hollywood party where Steven Spielberg and a few other producers were partying and they asked three or
four of them individually, “do you believe in evil or the devil?” None of them believed in the devil, and Steven
Spielberg said it most succinctly. He said “evil is simply a moral judgment on the part of man. It’s the same force
applied one way or another and that if good can come out of it, then it’s only a human judgment to call it evil.”
Jackie: Do you know what that reminds me of, and I found it here in the Protocols No. 3, Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion? It’s says, “out of the temporary evil we are now compelled to commit, will emerge the good of an
unshakeable rule, which will restore the regular course of the machinery of the national life.”
Alan: You’ll find that particular type of justification all through all Masonic writings, and that’s what they mean by the
allegories of understanding nature and the seasons that are opposite each other: your summer and your winter, spring
and fall. These are opposites so you learn to use the same forces. That’s what they mean, the same force applied to a
certain point will have disastrous effects on those who it does effect, but out of it will come a next season basically as
long as they plan it that way. H.G. Wells, who was a main proponent and a spokesman for the Fabian Society and the
British Secret Service and the Masonic groups behind them from Cambridge and Oxford Universities, who supplied him
with all the materials for his books, wrote about the first world war before it occurred, and he said it would be with
Germany, and he also coined the phrase “the war to end all wars”.
Jackie: That means it will be war from then on.
Alan: It would be in their terminology certainly. However, not only did the young men have to go out and fight for this
war that was supposed to bring in peace for the world, they had to believe that they were going out to fight this war to
bring peace to the world, so they were filled with this slogan wherever they went. Right after World War I, in one of his
books he said, “We have formed the League of Nations but we haven’t got the world at its knees, so we’ll have to have
another war.” This is what you’re dealing with. Again, their end justifies the means. Even Albert Pike — there’s a letter
in the British Museum for many years — many letters in the British Museum went missing when they stored them all
during World War II, but it is well documented and photographed that he wrote to Lord Rothschild, and Albert Pike was
the Pope of Freemasonry for the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, and he talked about the three world wars in the late
1800’s. Two with Germany and the final war would be between Zion and Islam, which is going on right now. We’re
simply living through a planned future or history, you might say. It’s all planned in advance and they go through such
rigmarole as we watch it unfold, but the fact is it’s all planned that way.
Jackie: These are the same creatures that hid away until the next civilization. They’ve had a long, long time to plan.
Alan: They have. They claim in their own writings, and in the Talmud it says the same thing, that the great plan was
born 4,000 BC. I prefer to say that this part of the plan was probably born and updated in 4,000 BC. That’s why every
Masonic lodge has two dates. The one we’re used to, plus another one with 4,000 years tacked on to it.
Jackie: Oh yes. Because during the APAC American Israel Public Affairs Committee did the welcoming at the
Republican National Convention and they got Mayor Bloomberg from New York up there, and he was literally giving
the date as 57 something or 50 something.
Alan: That Rabbi [Stevack] who’s on one of the other stations also confirmed that 4,000 BC is what they’re told, and
after that date in all these Masonic lodges they have the letters A.L., and A.L. stands for Anno Lucifer. It’s after the fall
of Lucifer and so Lucifer, as Albert Pike said is their god, and Blavatsky from theosophy said the same thing.
Jackie: You said that the god of the Old Testament Jehovah, Yahweh was representative of Lucifer.
Alan: He’s the god of the world, and those who follow him benefit from the things of the world.
Jackie: I’ve pointed out before that everything that they are promised by this god is all of the world, all the riches and
the servants, but there is nothing said about the soul, the spirit.
Alan: No. It’s all the things of the world and Jehovah certainly blessed, in the Old Testament, everyone regardless of
what they did. I mean Jacob even lied to his father and dressed like his brother to get the blessings, so he showed his
cunning, an accused liar, and so he was blessed for it, and so that’s just like a mafia system. As long as it’s done with
cunningness, in masonry.
Jackie: God blessed him for cheating his brother out of his inheritance.
Alan: That’s right, and lying to his father.
Jackie: Yes, exactly. Deceiving his father and he was blessed by Jehovah-Yahweh.
Alan: What they’re showing you is this system and how to manipulate the system for your own benefit.
Jackie: That’s why people take such liberties and justify it, as slavery has already been justified, because in the Old
Testament slavery was accepted.
Alan: Oh sure. The word money comes from MON, which is Aramaic for man. You counted your ‘MONey’ by the
heads that you owned. The way of the world is in the Old Testament, and you certainly gained the things of the world if
you followed this lord of the world. Another thing people seem to miss is Jesus, whom they claim to follow, exposed the
deception of the secret gods when he said to the rabbis “you are of your father, the devil,” and that’s another word for
Satan, for Lucifer.
Jackie: And their father of course was god Jehovah, their god, their creator, and it just doesn’t somehow seem to
register with some people. We’re out of time again; we’re now at the hour. “Out of time,” that’s a silly saying, isn’t it?
Alan: The 60 minutes came from Babylon.
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“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
December 6, 2004
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. This is the 6th of
December in the year 2004. This is my brother’s birthday who’s passed over and this is the day before Pearl Harbor, isn’t
it folks? It just occurred to me as I was giving that date. We have a wonderful guest with us tonight. However, I want to
share a spiritual message before we get started here. I got this as an email folks and it was so beautiful and so touching I
wanted to share it with you tonight. It’s titled “Now That’s God.”
“It was one of the hottest days of the dry season. We had not seen rain in almost a month. The crops were dying.
Cows had stopped giving milk. The creeks and streams were long gone back into the earth. It was a dry season that
would bankrupt several farmers before it was through. Every day, my husband and his brothers would go about the
arduous process of trying to get water to the fields. Lately this process had involved taking a truck to the local water
rendering plant and filling it up with water. But severe rationing had cut everyone off. If we didn’t see some rain
soon…we would lose everything. It was on this day that I learned the true lesson of sharing and witnessed the only
miracle I have ever seen with my own eyes. I was in the kitchen making lunch for my husband and his brothers when I
saw my six-year-old son, Billy, walking toward the woods. He wasn’t walking with the usual carefree abandon of a
youth but with a serious purpose. I could only see his back. He was obviously walking with a great effort trying to be as
still as possible. Minutes after he disappeared into the woods, he came running out again, toward the house. I went back
to making sandwiches; thinking that whatever task he had been doing was completed. However, moments later, he was
once again walking in that slow purposeful stride toward the woods. This activity went on for an hour: walking carefully
to the woods, running back to the house.
Finally I couldn’t take it any longer and I crept out of the house and followed him on his journey (being very careful not
to be seen as he was obviously doing important work and didn’t need his Mommy checking up on him). He was cupping
both hands in front of him as he walked, being very careful not to spill the water he held in them … maybe two or three
tablespoons were held in his tiny hands. I sneaked close as he went into the woods. Branches and thorns slapped his
little face, but he did not try to avoid them. He had a much higher purpose. As I leaned in to spy on him, I saw the most
amazing sight. Several large deer loomed in front of him. Billy walked right up to them. I almost screamed for him to
get away. A huge buck with elaborate antlers was dangerously close. But the buck did not threaten him…he didn’t even
move as Billy knelt down. And I saw a tiny fawn lying on the ground; obviously suffering from dehydration and heat
exhaustion, lift its head with great effort to lap up the water cupped in my beautiful boy’s hand.
When the water was gone, Billy jumped up to run back to the house and I hid behind a tree. I followed him back to the
house to a spigot to which we had shut off the water. Billy opened it all the way up and a small trickle began to creep
out. He knelt there, letting the drip, drip slowly fill up his makeshift “cup,” as the sun beat down on his little back. And
it came clear to me: The trouble he had gotten into for playing with the hose the week before. The lecture he had
received about the importance of not wasting water. That was the reason he didn’t ask me to help him. It took almost
twenty minutes for the drops to fill his hands. When he stood up and began the trek back, I was there in front of him.
His little eyes just filled with tears. “I’m not wasting,” was all he said. As he began his walk, I joined him…with a small
pot of water from the kitchen. I let him tend to the fawn. I stayed away. It was his job. I stood on the edge of the woods
watching the most beautiful heart I have ever known working so hard to save another life. As the tears that rolled down
my face began to hit the ground, other drops…and more drops…and more suddenly joined them. I looked up at the sky.
It was as if God, himself, was weeping with pride.
Some will probably say that this was all just a huge coincidence. Those miracles don’t really exist. That it was bound to
rain sometime. And I can’t argue with that… I’m not going to try. All I can say is that the rain that came that day saved
our farm…just like the actions of one little boy saved another.
And whoever wrote this, there’s no author, folks. It says “I don’t know if anyone will read this but I have to send it out to
honor the memory of my beautiful Billy, who was taken from me much too soon… But not before showing me the true
face of God, in a little, sun burned body.”
Isn’t that beautiful and I hope that you appreciated that and felt it folks as much as I did and our guest this evening,
Alan, thank you for your patience here tonight dear. Hello. I’ve lost our guest folks and you know what I’m going to
have to do? I tell you what happened. I think when I called in we were late calling in and I think that I didn’t click Alan
in on with us. So what I’m going to do is play music for you here. Oh, I can’t. I’m going to have to click offline folks to
get Alan back so maybe if Nicholas or somebody at WFAR is listening. I’ll be right back, folks. And this is wonderful
but we are on the air. Okay?
Alan: I really don’t think we were on the air before. There was music playing on that station.
Jackie: All right. Well we’re going to find out, aren’t we?
Alan: Well, this is what Eleanor was talking about with her jinxes.
Jackie: The jinxes. This has been quite an evening, hasn’t it, Alan?
Alan: It has.
Jackie: And you know I have told a few people that you were going to be on with us tonight and my goodness I wonder
– if we weren’t on shortwave, Alan, I can’t believe I wouldn’t have been getting calls. What I’m going to do right now
folks, if you’re listening on shortwave and we only need one call, but we need somebody to call. Let us know if we’ve
been on shortwave for the past half hour, because, according to Alan, he said that there’s only music that has been
playing on the shortwave. We’ve got about a minute and a half delay from WFAR to the shortwave so we should be
getting a call. I’d like to know if we have been on the air because we’ve covered some really important topics.
Alan, is the possible for you and I to begin a conversation that we started at the top of this hour? Now we have no static
and then we could continue it tomorrow night.
Alan: I’ll try and reiterate how the conversation tonight began and basically I was talking about how shortwave was setup
in the United States and I think in the Toronto Star about a year ago there was a little bit of history of how the public
shortwave was set-up. It was basically set-up by the CIA who setup Christian front groups at the time to combat
communism and communist broadcasts from the Soviet Union. I’ve always suspected that the CIA hadn’t quite let it all
go and I’m more convinced of that today because over the last four years or so in shortwave we have had a creation of
“superstars,” you might say, professional speakers who have come in and taken over the airwaves and have become the
sole dispensers to most people. These people come out of nowhere basically. They definitely shot to the top, tremendous
backing. They knew how to speak on radio. There was no dead airtime and they became the sole dispensers of
information to the public. If you look at the way their operations work, they have three minutes of talk and then three or
four minutes of commercials, so it’s a tremendous business at the same time, but the main problem is these people have
become superstars in the minds of the followers, you might say, and they are shaping the minds of all those out there. It
puts me in mind of Albert Pike of the freemasons who said that whenever the people need a leader we shall supply
them; and I think that’s being done and they’ve supplanted all of the people who did real hard work and investigations
over the many years and reduced themselves to poverty in the process. Now these superstars come in and begin to use
the same information and then start bending it off in a different direction, and that’s been the ancient technique of the
elite to subvert truth.
Jackie: In other words, they tell the truth but it’s truth that it’s okay for them to tell?
Alan: Oh, absolutely. A superstar must always have a little bit more than the general public can get their hands on and
that elevates them above all the rest of the truth seekers, you see, and the listeners don’t know. They don’t think about it.
They just say my God this person is far brighter than the rest; and before they know it, they’ve given our allegiance to
this person – and when you give allegiance to a person, you’ve just given away your own powers of reason and
discrimination.
Jackie: Well, as we’ve already discussed, I don’t know what happened tonight. I apologize that you’ve missed the first
30 minutes of this broadcast because there is no recording of it. Not at WFAR. Not on my tape machine and no place, so
it’s very difficult to try to recreate a conversation, but what we were talking about when you mentioned this, Alan, I was
thinking of a specific talk show team and what I’m saying is public information because it came right off of public
document on the internet. This talk show team had in their sales tax report reported their income between 1 to $2.5
million. That’s a lot of money.
Alan: It certainly is for these hardworking patriots there.
Jackie: Yes it is and then of course I probably sound like all the rest when I say Sweet Liberty is brought to you by you.
It’s listener sponsored and I could not afford to have this broadcast four nights a week. In fact that’s why we’re down to
three nights a week but it has been our listeners for 6-1/2 years and without our listeners this broadcast wouldn’t be on
so there’s no backing here and I don’t make money from the broadcast. In fact, there have been lots of people who have
said well why don’t you sell things? I said that’s not why I’m doing radio. It has nothing to do with that.
Alan: It’s not a business as far as you’re concerned.
Jackie: And our website we get about 300,000 hits a month and I’ve had people who wanted to advertise on our website
and Alan, I don’t know. It just seems like and those are the ones I probably would have felt okay advertising for, but I
thought when you turn this into a commercial thing it loses its purpose.
Alan: It has to. It’s inevitable.
Jackie: It’s whole purpose, it loses it.
Alan: Then you have a lot of legalisms creep in there because there’s a lot of things you can’t say, it may offend, and
that’s part of it too. That’s how the newspapers, initially, long, long ago, were taken over by being told not to print
certain things. Corporations would simply say they didn’t like what you wrote about whatever, and that’s how you tame
a person.
Jackie: There’s a free newspaper – not a free newspaper, he takes subscriptions here in a county down near Philly and I
knew him and I knew the sincerity of his desire to put out truth, but there were things he would put in that newspaper
and I would say why did you do that? Well I can’t do this because I’ll lose all my advertising. So this wonderful
newspaper which purpose was originally to print truth, get the truth out to people, he had to stop. There was the
guidelines. You’ve got your boundaries and there are just certain things you better not mention or your going to lose
your backing.
Alan: Absolutely. It’s very simple to do and you get muzzled and before you know it, you’re sort of a Jack and Jill
program like the one that’s on right now in fact.
Jackie: Jack and Jill?
Alan: Yes, it’s highly commercialized.
Jackie: Oh, I thought you were talking about you and me.
Alan: No. There’s one program that’s on there that they tell you, back in three minutes, back in four minutes and so they
have three minutes to talk. They have some guests on as the bait, basically, who will give out some truth but the rest of
the time is selling the latest cure-all and they go through one cure-all after another. I guess they get cuts of every sale,
but they’ve been raised again to the superstar status and I’m sure they’ve swayed a lot of people’s minds. They’re highly
commercialized, too commercialized actually. I think they’re probably handled with their handlers.
Jackie: This is one thing that I have talked to. I don’t know if I’ve said it on the air. I think I have, but I know two
listeners who’ve called me personally and they’ll say what about this person and I just tell them you have to use your
logic and you have to use your reasoning. Who controls the media? When you’re syndicated on AM and FM broadcasts
you are not going to tell the truth. You wouldn’t be allowed to; and shortwave. This broadcast for shortwave alone is
$140 per hour and that doesn’t include the $25 for WFAR, so we’re talking $165 an hour, Alan, and we couldn’t handle
four days a week because of lack of enough. It wasn’t because of lack of support because we certainly have had that for
6-1/2 years, but enough support to keep it going for four nights a week and this is what I have said to these people who
ask me. When somebody is broadcasting three to six hours a day, look at the cost. You’ve got to have big bucks to do
that.
Alan: They’re on satellite and they’re on the website.
Jackie: They’re on internet. They’re on satellite. They’re on one or two or three shortwave stations. They’re on AM
stations.
Alan: They all pass each other around as guests on other peoples’ programs, so it’s a clique.
Jackie: It is a clique and you know what? There was a while there. This was several years back. I wondered how come I
never got invited to any of their what they call expos. I really did because I still was somewhat naïve but I knew that I
had a message that was important enough that it would be appropriate to invite me. Never once, Alan, did I ever get
invited and then when I began to understand a little bit more I thought well okay. They know I’m not compromiseable.
I’m not going to compromise and that’s just the way it was, so I’m the outsider in a sense.
Alan: If you were not the outsider you’d be one of them and the money would be coming in you see.
Jackie: Yes that’s true.
Alan: You’d have no problem and you’d be passed around all their shows.
Jackie: Yes, I would actually get invited as a guest, wouldn’t I?
Alan: Yes you would. That’s what they’ve done. They’ve taken over and squeezed everyone else out. That’s an old
technique the elite have always used to maintain control and to stop “subversion,” as they call it, of any opinions outside
their plans.
Jackie: Or maybe facts?
Alan: Well, yes, sure.
Jackie: Not just opinions because everybody has them, but facts, Alan.
Alan: Sure and that’s what they’ve done. It’s been done very cleverly, well-financed, well-thought out and the right
people have been trained and like Albert Pike said, we supply the leaders. They come in with information that’s
grabbing, it grabs you, and they have information that no one else can get their hands on initially and they become
superstars. All culture is created by training superstars and presenting them to the public.
Jackie: One of the things that I want to say this for our listeners and just occurred to me. It isn’t just that the host of a
show itself but the guests that they have on sometimes, and not all of them, but when they say that they’re an ex-CIA or
ex-FBI or ex-Illuminati and they have all kinds of information they’re giving you, you have to know they’re only giving
you what they’re allowed to give you because there’s not such a thing I don’t think as an ex-CIA or maybe FBI. I don’t
know, but, Alan, these people aren’t not going to come out and tell the truth.
Alan: No, they won’t.
Jackie: They’ll get killed, for God’s sake.
Alan: They’re under the Official Secrets Act so they mustn’t speak about their work for 35 years.
Jackie: And don’t you think they haven’t been threatened?
Alan: Oh yes. I mean it’s ludicrous.
Jackie: But when you have these people come out that oh I was ex-FBI officer and so on. People believe what they’re
saying.
Alan: It’s sad they fall so easily for it, but again, the same guy that said we’d give them their leaders, Albert Pike, said
“those that will not use their own powers of reason are meat on the table and beasts of burden.”
Jackie: Those who won’t use their own power of reason and it is within each and everyone one of us, Alan, that ability
to reason, to logic. The intuition when something says there’s something wrong with this, you may not know what it is,
but if that comes up strongly, you better listen to it. That actually has become the only way I know how to “operate,” if
you would, is there are times when that intuition hits and I don’t know what’s wrong, but because it’s there I leave it
alone. I stick it up on my top left shelf in my mind, “memory banks,” if you would, and it has never ever been wrong
ever and it always proves itself out and if we could say names but we aren’t allowed to.
Alan: It’s like the professional DJs, they all sound the same. They have the same fast chatter and all the bells and
whistles and chatter, electronic stuff, or songs or something; it’s professionally produced. This takes a lot of money, a lot
of training and a lot of backup people to put forth. Little Joe on his own cannot do that.
Jackie: We were talking about David Icke, the half hour that our shortwave listeners couldn’t hear, and I thought about
that again as you said that. In the first place, the name is spelled ICKE, but if you take the E and put it on the front,
you’ve got a good Irish name there, EICK. We talked about I got a postcard from a listener who said that he had asked
you questions and he was asking me the same question and he said if his message is true, so what.
Alan: That’s the technique. You cannot put someone out there to sway people away from truth without giving that
person a lot of the truth. In fact, they come out often with more information as I say that you can get your hands on. You
can’t find it until they tell you and of course, that’s your first clue is how did they get it first? How come it comes to
them first, and that’s the bait to make the people follow, and then once you start the following—where are they taking
us? By the way, remember Eisenhower was called Ike. Ike in German is Oak, like an oak tree. In masonry, that’s why
you have John Birch, the birch wood, the oak wood, et cetera. They always give a little clue.
Jackie: What does that mean? The tree, the oak, what is that?
Alan: An ash, like the guy who left Congress recently, Ashcroft. That’s the House of Ash.
Jackie: Okay, but what does that mean, Alan?
Alan: In the mystery religion or high masonry they have houses they’re put into according to their degrees and
functions, and you have the birch, the oak and the ash, and of course in the Nordic religions or mythologies, the world
tree, Yggdrasil, was an ash tree. You go into Egypt and you find that when Osiris was found by his wife Isis (or wifesister
Isis) he was inside an ash tree.
Jackie: So the tree was worshiped back then?
Alan: Yes and they all had symbology for specific functions. Ash, especially, was the white and of course the pure
dynastic races or peoples, the kings and queens were almost albino, so ash being a white type of wood was associated
with them.
Jackie: Oh, boy. You know what you’re doing? You’re opening a can of worms right here. You’re talking about the
white pure and the albino royalty. I read a book about Queen Elizabeth and they had portraits of her in the book and her
face was pure white. What they said in the book was that she had used so much terrible stuff on her face, you know to
make up and stuff, she got very pocked-marked, so she began putting this white paste on her face. Do you think that
they just said that to justify why she was so white?
Alan: Some of the very, very high inbred people had no melanocytes in their skin (which gives you your tan) and they
burned if they went outside in the sun at all, and their eyes were so pale, almost pinkish, and of course in the ancient
legends they were pink.
Jackie: And those were the troglodytes? It is six minutes till, according to my clock, and you will come back tomorrow
night?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: Not to interrupt this phase of our conversation, but I would like to complete what we were saying when we were
talking about David Icke because as I was saying on the first half of this broadcast that nobody heard, I was very much
taken in by him and his information. What I want to do is follow-up on what we had discussed about the fact that when
you whip a book out, a book that could take an average person on an even above average two to three years to research,
they pop out like pimples.
Alan: He boasts himself that he tours and he lectures seven days per week often.
Jackie: Yes, all over the world.
Alan: At the same time he’s dropping these books like you’d throw away handkerchiefs.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
December 7, 2004
WWW..COM
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Tuesday. It is the
7th of December in the year 2004 and of course today is the anniversary of that day that will live in infamy, folks, the
day that Pearl Harbor was intentionally attacked. Well, let’s say the orchestration – the attack about Japan on Pearl
Harbor was orchestrated to get Americans into the war spirit for the second world war and that isn’t what we’re talking
about tonight, but I did want to acknowledge and mention it and make sure that you all know that what happened on
December 7th back in 1941 was a magnificent orchestrated production planned and implemented by these creatures who
are already in control of the U.S. government under the President FDR at the time.
Alan Watt is with us tonight and first of all we’ll do our spiritual message and this is the one right in front of me from
Psalm 139:23-24.
“Search me father, know my heart. Test me. Know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any offensive way in me
and lead me in the way everlasting.”
And when I say that, I wonder if there are any of us who don’t have some offensive ways that we aren’t even aware of,
folks. I feel that would be the case for me unintentionally of course and last night we had some really weird technical
difficulties, unexplainable, and Alan is with us back again this evening. We did get on the air on the shortwave last night
at 9:30 right after the half hour break and yet I know a lot of our shortwave listeners gave up because you thought all
you were going to hear was music. The thing that amazed me last night is when Alan said that he didn’t think we were
on the air it was about 20 after or 25 after because all that was being put on shortwave was music. I said no, we must be
on the air or our listeners would be ringing the phone off the hook and for some unknown reason the phone did not ring
last night. So Alan and I did the first 20 – well, it was about 10 minutes getting him connected and we did about 20
minutes all by ourselves. The way we are going to do this evening, for the sake of those of you who missed all of the
broadcast last night, Alan is going to recover some of what he was discussing last night, but I feel it’s very relevant and
really want you to have the opportunity to hear. Alan, thanks for being here tonight.
Alan: Yes, it’s a pleasure that we’re finally on.
Jackie: Yours is coming loud and clear tonight.
Alan: Yes, well strange things are happening.
Jackie: I know and we reference all of the time about what as an hour and a half before the broadcast.
Alan: The clock is still a few minutes to here so I guess something’s happened here.
Jackie: Folks, this really is weird because he was late calling me last night and then tonight I called him and said lets
get our clocks synchronized here and he was going to call at five till and immediate right on the hour at 9:00 I was
calling Alan to say hurry up and his clock was five minutes slow. Okay, Alan.
Alan: It’s the energy crisis here. The batteries.
Jackie: Well at least we can laugh about it, huh? Otherwise, I don’t know. Maybe we’d be pulling our hair out.
Alan: Well, that can happen too.
Jackie: One of the things that you talked about last night is that you have observed and heard on different radio
broadcasts and we had had conversation on the weekend when you were sharing some of this with me and I felt it was
relevant for our listeners to be able to hear your take on this, Alan, if you would be so kind.
Alan: What always gets me, to be honest with you, is that in this system that we are forced to live under, there’s so
much profit and money to be gained out of human misery. I found that shortwave for years has been in a sense
providing alternative remedies for illnesses but now it’s become such an incredibly big, big business and quite frankly
some of the products which have been sold on the shortwave are just stuff that’s been recycled from years ago that didn’t
work then. Of course, you’ve got a new generation of people who are in desperate pain or whatever who are willing to
try anything and spend the big bucks to try and relieve some of the pain.
Jackie: I don’t recall you saying this before, but some of the products that you hear advertised are actually things that
didn’t work the first go around?
Alan: Yes, that’s what happens. They come out with something which is always touted as being brand new and a
miracle cure for something or other, and, of course, once you have enough people who have bought it over a course of a
year or so, then they know it doesn’t work and then they’ve got something else ready to take over, of course, some other
miracle cure. It’s an endless cycle of people trying to get pain relief and these characters who are shameless who make
incredible profits off their misery and that tends to get to me, that kind of thing. Because it is shameless, you know. It’s
shameless exploitation of people.
Jackie: See what you’re doing right now is speaking generically and I don’t know that you even want to, or could, but I
suppose if you and I were having a conversation and we had unlimited time I’d be saying give me an example or two.
Alan: I think most of the listeners understand when they hear a product for instance being touted as “incredible,” you’ve
got to listen to the legal language that’s being used, because they’re giving you a legal warning and that’s for future court
cases. It’s not credible, “incredible,” you understand?
Jackie: Yes and I’ve used that word a lot when something seemed awesome or I’d say oh this is just incredible; and that
was really the wrong usage of that that would have been.
Alan: Yes, but I think these guys are using it deliberately because technically it’s a legal warning that buyer beware, that
told you it is incredible, and the same when they use the word “fantastic,” you see, fantasia.
Jackie: Fantasy?
Alan: They use this terminology as they sell these products and it’s a legal ‘off the hook’ for them if there’s any
comeback. They have told you.
Jackie: They have told you it’s incredible and fantastic.
Alan: There was one guy, who they’ve brought him on a few times on the shortwave or one of the main daily shows and
this guy would have been raised in the 1800’s the snake oil salesman. He comes out with this story that again should
only fit into the 1800’s, but he’s still doing it and making money off of it, and that God gave him the formula for this
fantastic soap and wrote it on the wall.
Jackie: It was written on the wall. Steve Jacobsen was visiting and of course Steve is most known for the audio
documentaries so to speak that he’s did on media mind control and he had actually worked in the advertising industry in
New York and he got to realizing that the actual mind control methods that are used to sell. That was what led him to
the long research and the tape that he did, but he saw an advertisement in a magazine, a two-page flick advertisement
and he started laughing so hard, tears were rolling down his face. He said they’re actually now using God to sell a
product.
You want to take a call?
Alan: We’ll see if it’s a complaint.
Jackie: Hello, you’re on the air.
George: Yes. I’m on the air right now?
Jackie: Yes you are. Who’s calling?
George: This is George calling.
Jackie: Hi, George.
George: I’d like to ask the gentleman a question. I believe he said several weeks back talking about some of the
powerful people throughout the world. Is that correct?
Jackie: Yes, probably yes. Do you want to get specific, George?
George: Yes. I believe the conversation went along what I believe in that a few hundred people throughout the world
are very culturally related often times by blood, by marriage or business interests or social levels or somewhere in the
power structure and they yield tremendous power through the entire world and then the United States.
Jackie: Yes. George, did you have a question?
George: You know that geographically often times these people live very close together such as New York City or
some of the resort areas of the world and then you resource – have you ever done any studies to find out how closely
they are geographically so they can meet?
Jackie: George, the way we’re set up here he can hear your questions, but you’re going to have to hang up to hear his
answer, dear. It’s just the one-part question, is that what you wanted to know?
George: That’s part of it. I said that geographically they’re close. Also, in analyzing the major businesses throughout the
world and in this country, we see that there are a lot monopolies and it seems to me that if we can have a major list of
these monopolies in the world, which we could find out this through financial research, that you could put the two
together and that this ruling group throughout the world will have a strong control of the business monopolies
throughout the entire world.
Jackie: Okay, we’ll ask Alan to address that. Okay Alan.
Alan: He’s quite right they do. I mean the MO [modus operandi], it’s the signs and symptoms of a disease that you look
for and the signs and symptoms of this disease are always the same. Ancient Egypt for instance was just a bigger
version of Sumer and Babylon and they had the most incredible wealth amongst a few people of nobility and they had
also the most incredible poverty living side by side.
Jackie: In Sumer, 6,000 years ago. Now is this information available for people?
Alan: There’s been so many records. They’re still digging up clay tablets at Sumer with so much information on them.
They had receipts. They had the cashless society at one point where they used tokens instead of the gold and so on,
almost like a checkbook type society. They’ve even got receipts at the supermarkets that they went to. They baked the
things in clay ovens for 15 minutes and that’s how long it took to get your receipt. They found thousands and thousands
of shipping receipts for merchants who were putting their goods into ships for export abroad.
Jackie: If they were that far advanced, why wouldn’t they have at least had papyrus, paper or something to write on?
Alan: I’m sure you know that they’d probably did, but paper is so much more delicate and doesn’t withstand the climate
and the weather. It perishes.
Jackie: So you’re saying that they did that intentionally for future generations?
Alan: It’s very possible. It’s also possible that it was a tiered system just like today – see, today everything runs actually
on a three-tiered system. There’s always three levels of reality or science co-existing at the same time. Whatever is given
to the public as being the latest gizmo or gadget is actually antique. There’s a higher level of science which is then given
to sections of the CIA for instance; and there’s the real science that’s kept in the hands of a very few people at the top.
They’re so far ahead scientifically that everything we see on the shelves is actually obsolete, and I don’t think it’s been
any different at any time. For the general public in Sumer I’m sure the clay tablets were just dandy and they were told
that was the latest thing that they had. They’ve found electric batteries, acid batteries, and they’re in the Cairo Museum.
They were dug up in Egypt. They were found elsewhere, even what was Persia, Iran and Iraq, so they had electricity at
one point and again that would be for the few as well. The world is run by secrecy and power was never shared and
knowledge is power, and of course these guys use science to wield their power and maintain their power over the people
at all times.
However, as I say, the MO of these people down through the centuries is always the same. They run the religious
business, whichever religions they make dominant for a people. They run it. They also run the pharmaceutical industry.
They had that in ancient Egypt too. They run the herbal industry at the same time. They run the legal system and they
run the illegal system, and they also run the illegal drug system and prostitution and so on. All of these things have been
run by them from the earliest of times.
Jackie: And when we say THEM, who are we saying it is?
Alan: You’re talking about an elite who have their own religion, their own belief systems, which differs from everyone
else’s, and they believe that their spirit is different from that of Joe Average. They believe that they were a separate
created “race,” you might say, spiritually and physically from Joe Average.
Jackie: They actually believe in the eternity of the spirit, of the soul?
Alan: What they believe is that they themselves were banished or cast out—and this is where the whole fallen angel
theology comes from—and because they were created higher than man they still retain special powers when they arrived
here; and through pure will, through willing it to happen, they created their own physical bodies, which they claim were
perfect and they could do amazing things psychically with telekinesis and so on; but when they started to interbred with
the native people, the humans here, they began to lose those powers and so then they returned to the intensive
inbreeding to try to get back to what they were.
Jackie: I remember you saying this on the more recent broadcast that we had done together and what you said is that
when they began interbreeding with the humans here, which sounds like, okay, where did they come from, if not from
here?
Alan: They believe again that there was a creator. There’s no doubt that they believe there was a creator…
Jackie: Or a maker.
Alan: …but they rebelled and that’s where again the rebellion comes from, because they believed they had all the
powers of the creator himself and that’s where the Luciferian doctrine comes from is from the same theology. That’s
why the symbols are all over the world of Lucifer in all of it’s guises, you know the light-bringer, and so this is an
ancient, ancient religion which belongs to an inbred special few.
Jackie: Last night, just as we were going off the air, you were talking about the pure white, the royalty and all that, but
it’s so confusing for me.
Alan: Even in Sumer they’d find some of the royalty in an underground grave, very deep and large, and they’ve been
buried with all their servants who were poisoned and they found the wigs that the royalty wore. They wore wigs made
from the hair of the local people, which was black, but they themselves had red or blonde hair and it’s the same in
Egypt. You find the wigs in all the tombs. The nobility were literally a different race from the people they lorded over.
Jackie: One of our listeners called and I don’t know if we were still on the air together during that time that he called.
Oh, I know what it was, Alan. It was when I was replaying the broadcast that we had done, seven of them, and he didn’t
know that they were re-broadcasting and called that night. He said that he had just seen, I believe, an older documentary
that they had replayed on one of the networks and they showed a mummy that they dug up from ancient China and they
said it was actually red-haired.
I just want you to know that this whole issue of this – right now, at least it appears this way, that the white race is being
eliminated; and if those rulers, if they were of the pure white race, why would they want the white race eliminated?
Alan: They might look like you, but they don’t believe they are the same as you. You’re an inferior species to them.
Your skin might be white, but it takes more than that to belong to them, you see, genetically. They don’t identify with
you. The peasant of America is no different from the peasant to China to them, and we’re all peasants as far as they’re
concerned. There’s no love for the people they rule over, whatsoever.
Jackie: We know that and I was thinking back in Sumer, the same as it is today; it is a few, a whole lot less of them
than there are the “masses,” so they had to have their own minions, their useful idiots that would carry out so much of
their plans, just as it is today.
Alan: It’s no different. The first con game was to create money—and it doesn’t matter what money is—as soon as public
believe that money is better than real goods for barter, then they own you and they own the whole system because they
can put you into a form of slavery so easily through taxation and so on. We’ve watched countries starve to death, not
because they didn’t have food, but because they didn’t have money. It’s ridiculous. Money is a con game.
Jackie: Look at the depressions that have been created.
Alan: The Irish famine was a beautiful one where you had people living in a country which had lush fields of lots of
different kinds of grain and because the potatoes, just the potatoes, had a blight, they had to starve to death; while their
exports, again owned by a handful of people who owned most of the land—people starved to death in the middle of all
this grain and oats and all the rest of it because they were not allowed to touch it because they didn’t have money to buy
it.
Jackie: And also the land belonged to the landed gentry from England. If one of those Irish peasants was even caught
killing a rabbit that might have been close to the road or close enough that they would actually be put to death.
Alan: Yes or they’d deport you to Australia. That was how they populated Australia.
Jackie: Or America.
Alan: These guys have been at this for thousands of years and coin – the word coin, which they introduced, comes from
Cohen, which is money. Money, coin, Cohen is priest. It’s all interrelated because it was the first priest they sent out that
introduced the money system. This money is the first con game and that is the capstone. As long as they have society
who believe that when they’re hungry they have to spend this coin to go and buy food, rather than go and grow it or
exchange for it, then that system is owned, it’s owned completely, and everything under that system that’s found in
everything is dependent on the money boys. Strangely enough, we have a few billion people in the world who are
trained in this system to accept it as it’s given to them who never even know that 12 families hand out the checks to
governments across the world and nothing real is ever exchanged. It’s just paper.
Jackie: Yes and getting back to George’s question, I don’t know if you did address it fully, but his question was that he
has noticed, at least I believe he was saying, that many of these so-called elite today live close to one another like in
New York and maybe in other large cities so that they can meet together. Also, he was wondering if they are the same
ones that are in control of the major industries?
Alan: There’s no doubt that they are, absolutely. In fact, if you do go and do searches for corporate leaders and see how
many companies they actually own, it boggles the mind. I have seen one guy what he owns—and Prince Charles is on
his polo team—and he’s known for owning one main business in Canada and yet I’ve seen the other companies that he
owns and it’s about eight pages long.
Jackie: I’ve got a list here of allegedly businesses owned or controlled from behind the scenes by the Rockefellers and
the list goes on and on and on, and I’ve had this for quite a few years. Chuck and I were going over it several years ago
and wondered if it were true and if it is, is there anything that they don’t own other than a little mom and pop place that
today they are struggling for survival?
Alan: They own pretty well everything that matters in the system. It is their system entirely, entirely. They create the
money. They also buy the debt as it’s called. It’s all the same people who do it all and they can raise countries up to be
great. They can crash them whenever they want to and move elsewhere, as they have done. What you have really from
Sumer is empire building and bit by bit you find characters from history arriving out of nowhere and either conquering
the old empire and creating a larger one–
Jackie: Alan, you should hold this thought because the music is playing and it will be overriding your voice. We’ll take
a short 60-second break and we’ll be back with Alan. Okay folks we’re back again. Hello. Alan, where were we?
Alan: We were basically talking about the empire builders as they moved down through the centuries; and whenever
you get a character called “the Great”, for instance, you know that’s one of their boys.
Jackie: Like Alexander or Peter?
Alan: That’s right and they were expanding and unifying vast territories to create a common culture and bring in their
system and that’s what they’re still doing worldwide, they’ve almost got there and that’s what the whole New World
Order is about. It’s the total dominance of the entire planet under one rule by a small elite group of inbred people who
believe that they are essentially gods in their own right, so that’s what it’s all been about.
Jackie: That’s where the divine right of kings came from?
Alan: Oh sure. They always give the authorized religion for the people to believe, which always tends to make them
submissive to rule, but they’ve always had their own inner religion. John Dee was one of the members or the advisers to
Queen Elizabeth I. and he wrote about it. Actually, his code was 007. He was also a spy for Britain. John Dee wrote
much of the Rosicrucian books of that period but he also was steeped in the Kabbalah and he explained much of their
esoteric religion. At the time he was writing for the nobility and so no one else could read basically, apart from the
priests who were also in on it, and he was the first person to coin the term and give it a name and it was called it “the
British Empire.” He coined the term “British Empire” and their duty and manifest destiny was to create little empires
similar to their own across the world and ultimately unify them, and that is what the Council on Foreign Relations was
set up to do. They are part of The Royal Institute of International Affairs. That is exactly what they’re set up to do. I’ve
got their members’ books going back to the 1930s and they discussed the coming World War II. They discussed who
would win it. They discussed having to save Russia at all costs. They also discussed America coming in perhaps by a
surprise attack by Japan. This is in the 1938 meeting that they held in Sydney, Australia. The future is planned. All of
the future is planned always.
Jackie: They work out the minute details as time goes by. They lay the foundation. When I finally realized this was Mr.
Dodd who was on a Congressional hearing committee back in ’52 I believe–
Alan: Norman Dodd.
Jackie: Norman. Thank you and he said that they went to the Carnegie Foundation and they wanted to go through their
papers and the man there told them that they wouldn’t mind but that would be a little difficult because once the U.S.
ratified the UN Charter their work was finished, he said, and all of their meetings – that’s what Norman Dodd wanted to
look at. They were all in storage but he said if you want to you can go look. Norman Dodd did say that he believed that
the man who allowed them to do this really didn’t know what was in those meeting notes, but what came out of it, and
this was back in 1906, they wanted to know if you want to change the culture of a people and change it for good, is there
any way better than war to do it; and they set up a council or committee to study it and they came up with the answer
and they said no.
Alan: Carroll Quigley said the same thing. He said we can accomplish more on a social level in five years of war than
in 50 years of peace.
Jackie: And this was 1906 and they decided they were going to have a war and they already had picked the Balkan state
that they were going to do it and that was in 1914, wasn’t it, when the first world war finally broke out. Also, I had read
that they decided they were going to hold the war off, that first “great war,” until the Federal Reserve Act was passed
here so that the American people could pay for it. There we go, 1913 the Federal Reserve Act was passed, 1914 the war
started, and what was it, 1917 when the U.S. got into it—Americans. I shouldn’t say the U.S. because it’s always flesh
and blood that fights the wars of the rich.
Alan: It’s so disgusting to realize that it’s planned way in advance. Nothing is ever spontaneous and they also had plans
made for after the war. They know who’s going to win it because they control all sides. There are traces of them down
through history because they leave their MOs wherever they go and they always introduce a religion for the people
which keeps them in submission. They always introduce a monetary system. Anything will do for money. It doesn’t
matter what it is, as long as they control it. Many of their empires in the past have forbidden barter and of course they’re
trying to forbid barter even right now. There are laws being passed in North America. They call it the “underground
economy.” They want everyone using their money, even if money is simply a bunch of numbers on a computer screen
and that’s where it’s going ultimately.
Lord Bertrand Russell who did an awful lot of work for the elite helping with their plans especially in the social change
area and educational fields, he said ultimately towards the end of the millennium and toward the new, he said, there will
be a cashless society where every citizen will be allowed or allocated so many credits per week which cannot be saved
up. They must use them that week and that way no one else can rise above his fellow peasant, basically, and if you buck
the system and you don’t do what you’re told or you break some of the rules, they will withhold your credits and you
will suffer because you won’t be able to feed yourself, pay your rent and so on. He wrote that in “Education and the
Good Life” and also “Roads to Freedom,” both written prior to 1920s. Everything that’s happening today was planned
long, long ago. H.G. Wells was another one; he was a front man too. He had a whole team of people working. In fact, he
had a whole building and a printing press to churn his books out, and professors who belonged to The Royal Institute of
International Affairs from Cambridge University and Oxford supplied them with the material which he was to
incorporate in his fiction books. These fiction books at that time they called it predictive programming. In other words,
society will accept change when it’s seems familiar to them and it’s familiar because of the fiction they’ve been reading
or even seen in the cinemas.
Jackie: Alan, I’m back and I got a little bit of what you were saying but I don’t know who you were talking about.
Alan: I was mentioning H.G. Wells and Bertrand Russell just to show that they were actually writing about the end of
the millennium back in 1905 in their books and telling us what to expect because they were part of the implementers.
They worked on these plans for the elite. Lenin was another one who was part of the elite. He was completely financed
by the West by the banks of New York and London, and Lenin in his books also said the same as H.G. Wells and
Bertrand Russell concerning the future society towards the end of the millennium, where they’ll have a soviet type
system worldwide ran by bureaucrats and experts.
Jackie: When you say soviet type system I have mentioned this on the air before, the book that I have called “Cogs in
the Wheel”. This is basically what they said in the book that the Soviet Union was a huge national “laboratory,” as you
call it, where they were doing their brainwashing and mind control on the people. That’s so nobody could get out or in
from the Soviet Union and they literally claimed that they had in 60 short years had created a new species. They called
this new species “homo-sovieticus” and that was to be the blueprint around the world for what they the new man and the
book is just spine-chilling, Alan.
Alan: That’s exactly what’s taking place. We are seeing people today who have been inoculated with so many injections
since birth to make them dumb and stupid and also to bring on diseases earlier in life.
Jackie: Inoculations of diseases, yes, that’s in the protocol. For our listeners that might be interested in this book it is by
Makhail Heller and I don’t believe it’s on the bookshelves today but I believe that it can be leased from a library or from
an internet book search. The book I was referring to is “Cogs in the Wheel” and the subtitle is: “The Formation of Soviet
Man.” So just as Alan was saying, that at all costs during World War II Russia or Soviet Union had to be protected and
saved.
Alan: When you look at our social structure today with the massive bureaucracies we have hanging over us, who are
constantly taking over more and more of what we use to do for ourselves, which was mainly decision making, we are
run by a world of experts and bureaucrats. We’ve moved up from a people who have natural rights and self-evident
rights into a world where we’re given privileges and generally it’s licensed privileges. “Privileges” are something which
is granted to you, which can be taken away. This is the Soviet system. That’s why the children go to little red school
schoolhouses and they are the worker bees in the yellow and black school buses. We have spelling bees and so on. We
are the bees. We are the workers who are helping to bring all of this about over the rest of the world.
Jackie: As you’re talking about this my thought and I think maybe the thoughts of at least quite a few of our listeners is
where do the Jews fit in here?
Alan: There’s definitely a group who have been created to handle the upper strata of the monetary system which
everything hangs upon. Everything hangs upon the money. The entire structure of the system hangs upon money.
Jackie: Like in the Protocols and I have read this in other writings where they refer to the Jewish people themselves.
People born into that Talmudic so-called religions that they refer to them as their “lesser brethren” and they have said in
many times and in many ways we sacrifice our own to get done what has to get done, like this “persecution of the Jews.”
My thought has been when you brought out the fact that it was the royal bloodlines and they were never the same
nationality of the people they ruled. These are so-called elite today, so are the people who born into or convert to this
thing called Judaism or Talmudism, are they even of the same race or is it just another mass of people who have been
lied to and conditioned to live in the persecuted person and your god is chosen and they believe what they have been
taught by their rabbis, which by the way folks, those rabbis were yesterday’s Pharisees, for any of you who think the
Jews gave us Christianity, I guess they did, but it wasn’t because Jesus was a Jew.
Alan: They didn’t really give us Christianity. Christianity was created by another bunch a long ways off from the socalled
holy land.
Jackie: I know, but wouldn’t it be the same creatures in control? Then that’s what I’m saying.
Alan: There were no Jews until a people came out of Babylon. There’s no history or mention or written history of
anybody called a Jew.
Jackie: So the Jewish people in that religion are no different than the Christians who have been lied to and I believe to
push this program further.
Alan: Yes and they because of their indoctrination they do feel elite above the rest of the people. There’s no doubt about
it. They are told they’re special and that reminds of the English middle class of the 19th century that ruled India. They
thought they were the nearest thing to God because of their indoctrination. It’s easy to create elitism and make people
feel very smug and that’s the same technique that’s used today on most Jews.
Jackie: It’s amazing to me today that they’ve convinced Christians that the Jews are God’s chosen people and that Israel
is God’s covenant land to these people and so that no matter what Israel is doing it’s Israel we love you. Israel forever.
The mind control is just out of this world.
Alan: It’s Isis-RA-EL. It’s the trinity. It’s the same with Ellis Island. The symbol of Jehovah, which is Lucifer, is the
Statue of Liberty; and “El is,” I am, EL IS, Ellis Island. The symbols are everywhere.
Jackie: And Isis was the main goddess?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: And who was RA?
Alan: RA was a sort of the big daddy. His place in the Greek for instance would be Zeus, Roman Jupiter.
Jackie: And EL was the main god?
Alan: EL was a god actually, a Semitic deity that was created outside of the holy land and imported with them or into
the holy land. He came a long later. Judaism was a compilation of preexisting stories put into one, and most of the
stories came from Egypt and it’s all done in allegory. What it does do is give the rules of their system, including the right
to have slaves.
Jackie: Yes and that is exactly what Moses Mendelssohn had said, that “Judaism is not a religion. It is a law
religionized.”
Alan: It’s nothing but law.
Jackie: We’re under that law today, Alan.
Alan: We’ve always been under it, really.
Jackie: Well I didn’t know that.
Alan: Even Lenin, who should know because he was taught by the best bankers and Talmudists, he said every
civilization has been a form of slavery. That was echoed by Charles Galton Darwin in “The Next Million Years,” their
plans for the next million years, and he said the same thing that every system that’s preexisted has been a slavery system
and we are in the process of creating a new more sophisticated form of slavery; and that was printed in the 1950s. This
is a new form of slavery we’re under now and the next step will be the token system I was mentioning earlier where you
would be allocated so many tokens per week and that way they’ll be able to have social control over every individual,
because if you buck the system in any way they’ll withdraw your tokens.
Jackie: Well, either that or the tokens will be impulses on a computer.
Alan: Same thing.
Jackie: We’re out of our hour here. I’m not going to say we’re out of time, but we are out of time, we’re out of this
world. You will come back tomorrow night?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: Ladies and gentlemen, Alan will be back with us tomorrow night and thanks for being here. Alan, thanks so
much, always.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
December 8, 2004
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. This is Wednesday. It is
the last day of our broadcast week.
The information that I bring you is information I have or I wouldn’t be able to bring it to you, so please know that. I
don’t do this for fun. I don’t do it because it’s been lifelong desire to be a radio talk show broadcaster host, but I am
doing it and I’m doing it out of my love, my hunger and my thirst for the truth and my deep desire to share as I’m
learning with you all. On that, our spiritual message tonight is one that I do often and I will continue to do often. I think
this is important for us to remember this. There have been so many lies told about Jesus and his time here and his
message and then the religion that was made by the priesthood that twisted and torqued the message. We have been
given truths in the Bible. However discernment is needed, but so many people say well he came here to shed his blood
for us so that we sinners can be saved. Jesus said pretty clearly that as we sow, so shall we reap, and I never read
anything in the Bible where he came here to begin a religion. I’ll tell you what he said to Pontus Pilot. This is in John 18
where Pontus Pilot was trying to trip him up in that conversation and when Jesus said that my kingdom is not of this
world, Pilot, this is in verse 37, he said to Jesus, are you a king? And here’s what Jesus answered. According to the
scriptures here, folks, he said, “you say that I am a king. To this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world
that I should bear witness unto the truth. Everyone that is of the truth hears my voice.”
When I think about it I cannot think of a better reason or purpose for us to have while we are in this third dimensional
realm in this physical world is to bear witness unto the truth and I know for myself I don’t have all the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but, and it is a process. It’s been a process of discovery for me and the one thing I keep questioning
myself and I caution you folks is that when it comes time that we say okay now I’ve got it, then I think we’re in a world
of trouble because we’re closed off to any further expansion or understanding of what believe we know to be true, so it
is a search; and that’s enough. I think I’ve covered that well enough and our guest this evening again is Alan Watt and I
just realized I could talk through another 15 minutes and I don’t want you to miss the information that Alan has to share
with us. Alan, thanks for being here again.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: It’s always our pleasure too. One of the things that you mentioned today when I called you to make sure that our
watches were synchronized, I hadn’t realized and I don’t know if our listeners, all of them, are aware of this, but
yesterday being the anniversary of Pearl Harbor and you had said that their code when they were attacking Pearl Harbor
was Tora, Tora, Tora. Is there a Japanese word like Tora?
Alan: We’re told that was their word for attack, but we don’t really know. I mean it’s one of these odd coincidences you
have.
Jackie: That’s what I was wondering, the word Torah of course is in the Jews’ holy book and I began to wonder well
maybe that could be checked out. I mean if the Japanese word for attack is Tora – do you know that, if it is, Alan?
Alan: I’m not certain but that’s definitely what they broadcast as they were going in and they said it three times, which
is strangely Masonic because that’s how Masonic instructions are. They’re always in triplicate.
Jackie: I was trying to do a search for that earlier this evening and I just asked Jeeves do you know what this tora, tora,
tora means and it just kept bringing up stuff about the Torah but I found something interesting. The first five books of
the Old Testament being the Torah, I wound up in this Jewish website and I think it’s called Judaism 101 or something
of frequently asked questions, what does tora mean? They said, listen folks, it can have several meanings. The Torah
can mean the first five books of the Old Testament, which they call the Book of Moses, or it can be all of that writing in
what Christians call the Old Testament, or it can be the first five books of that Old Testament which is their Torah and
all of the subsequent writings that make up the entire Talmud. So for Christians who want to put so much emphasis and
attention on that Old Testament, Alan, like it’s the world of God. You know what I mean? I thought that was quite
fascinating and I’ll tell you what else they said. They said for the Jews there is no Old Testament, yet they say the reason
they’re taking all that land in Israel is because it is their biblical mandate. They didn’t say Talmudic mandate. They said
it’s their biblical mandate. So they claim the Bible when it serves them, don’t they?
Alan: That’s what most legalists do. Anything to do with legalism or law is just a matter of picking and choosing what
parts you want to use for that particular purpose. That’s what law is all about. When you look at the supposed history of
how the Old Testament was written, and you’ve got to remember 2,000 years ago, the Old Testament that they were
given was written in Greek. It wasn’t in Hebrew. It was written in Greece by a bunch of priests who supposedly were in
Egypt around 200, 300 BC. This is the story, 72 priests who happened to be in Egypt wrote it in Greek for the Jews who
spoke Aramaic.
Jackie: They were in Egypt translating it into Greek for the Jews who spoke Aramaic.
Alan: That’s correct. That makes a lot of sense, right? It was a compilation of esoteric stories really, not the exoteric
ones, of the mystery religion that had been in existence for a long, long time before that. I mean Moses is just another
form of Hermes, basically. Hermes is the truly enlightened figure and so the illumined one can go up the mountain,
while the rest of the people, who are the mob, are in the dark, they must stay below. Going up the mountain is symbolic
of the illumined one. Moses is just the Egyptian word for child and it’s just dropped the Ra, the child of Ra, Ra-moses.
Jackie: Son of?
Alan: Yes, child of Ra. It’s all esoteric high masonry basically.
Jackie: Let me hear your take on the “Ten Commandments?” He went up the mountain and he became enlightened and
he came down with the Ten Commandments on these two huge, what do you call them, stones? Then he got ticked off
and broke them and had to go get another set.
Alan: Well, he broke the law.
Jackie: He broke the law.
Alan: He was the first guy to break the law.
Jackie: So that story is an esoteric?
Alan: Yes, it’s all esoteric.
Jackie: Do you think Moses really existed?
Alan: No. As I say, it’s the same in all the ancient mystic religions. There’s always a Moses or a Hermes type figure and
Hermes is always related to the god Soth or Thoth in Egypt who was also the one who gave law in writing to the people.
Moses is a combination of Hermes and Soth.
Jackie: Did you say that the esoteric message in there, does that have anything to do with the Kabbalah, the ancient
mysteries?
Alan: Even though the Kabbalah has been added to, especially around the 1500’s onwards, it definitely – even Wallace
Budge who translated lots of the old Egyptian for the London Museum, he claims that he found much of the Kabbalah
already existed in ancient Egypt. It’s not a modern thing at all, although it has been added to since the 1500’s and it’s the
same with the Talmud. The Talmud was a Babylonian religion which was taken over, or at least a bunch of people came
out of Babylon with an updated religion that was based on the Babylon Talmud. That’s when Judaism began.
Jackie: Did the Pharisees not exist yet?
Alan: No. Supposedly, according to the mythology, they were taken into captivity from Israel into Babylon where they
were there for a couple of hundred years. When they went in they had Levi, the priests, and a set of rituals and so on,
basically the Books of Moses or at least the oral tradition of Moses. When they came out they had Talmud, which is
now the main book, and they had the Pharisaical priesthood and the Sadducees, which again, as in all these mystic
religions, has double meanings. The Sadducees who were the supposed nobility of the supposed Jews and I’ve no doubt
they were the nobility of Babylon that came out there. Their symbol was the serpent and you’ll find too in the Jewish
traditions of Moses the brazen serpent that he had made to go in front of him with the wings and a serpent on the staff
was put into a sacred grove and it was worshiped there basically for a couple of hundred years. The Sadducees, again,
have this serpent symbol and remember, too, it’s really a Latin term. We’re reading a Latinized name here, Sadducees,
and if you take the S and put it back into a C, you have the Caduceus.
Jackie: Caduceus, and that was their staff right?
Alan: The serpent again, so it’s all games and tricks you see and the blind cannot see. That’s the whole idea. Those who
have no eyes don’t see what’s right in front of them. They play these games with us all the time. Pharisees is also a play
on pharaoh, you see, and Pharis- and Paris is actually the eagle, so that’s the royal eagle, basically.
Jackie: The eagle for whom, the royalty?
Alan: Yes, the ancient mystery religion which ran Babylon, Egypt and all the old worlds.
Jackie: Would you pronounce that and you said the Sadducees and then you put a C in it and how did you pronounce
that?
Alan: Caduceus. That’s the same symbol you’ll see on every ambulance with the serpent round the staff.
Jackie: It’s the symbol of the doctors? American Medical Association et cetera?
Alan: Yes and if you take the two – generally it’s two intertwined serpents, you’ll have the figure 8, which is “as above,
so below,” the two circles, and it’s also the double helix of the gene. All of this stuff is highly symbolic and we take it
for granted simply because we grew up and seen them everywhere. We never question their origins or what they really
mean. If you look at the Greek occupation prior to the Roman occupation of that whole area—we can call it the
supposed Holy Land—on the Greek maps there is no Israel.
Jackie: Oh, I was going to ask you that when you mentioned that they were taken out of Israel into Babylon. Israel
didn’t exist at that time, did it?
Alan: There’s no mention in the Persian, Egyptian or anybody else’s histories of Israel. On the Greek’s maps they had an
entire area that was called Edomia for the Edomians. All we can really say is that the whole idea of an Israel began
much later with a bunch of people coming out of Babylon.
Jackie: You were explaining the other night, Isis, Ra and El. IS-RA-EL and so if that’s the trinity, would then that be a
goddess trinity, being Isis, being the mother goddess?
Alan: It’s more than just that. It’s the sun, the moon together as the hermaphrodite because even in Judaic religions they
have a whole tradition to do with god that is both male and female and again it pre-existed Judaism. Plato also talks
about it, that when the god turned one way he was woman and when he turned the other he was man, so he’s also hinting
at the same esoteric deity that the aristocracy of ancient Greece worshiped. It’s the same ancient doctrine.
Jackie: And they believe that the first man that was made was actually a hermaphrodite?
Alan: If you were to take it literally – if it was the Creator that made this particular man for the garden, the Eden story–
Jackie: Male and female created he them?
Alan: He said in the perfect image of himself he made man, you see. Now if he was male and female, then that’s what
they’re hinting at, that Adam himself would be both, and then they took the female from Adam and he separated the two.
Jackie: Do you think they were doing some cloning?
Alan: If you go into the other histories that we’re often taught to ignore, such as the histories of India, the Brahmans
claim that the Brahmans of Northern India survived a catastrophe in the previous age. They said eventually the area
where the Black Sea is was a huge valley which was used as an experimental laboratory where different types of
humans were created and it all went sort of awry because they were mixing animals with humans and they started to eat
each other, and so what they did was flood the whole valley and that became the Black Sea and that’s in their histories.
Jackie: Then there’s where the Khazars came from or at least there’s where they landed?
Alan: You’ll find too that that was also like a Miami for the holiday-makers of the nobility of ancient Greece they
traveled to and then Rome as well. Always was.
Jackie: They went to Khazaria for their Roman holidays?
Alan: That’s right, Khazaria by the sea. There’s much, much older histories involved here and of course they think that
the Troy itself was up that way somewhere, the original Troy, and there’s no doubt they have found buildings by
submarine. In the last few years they’ve found buildings one hundred feet or more beneath the surface of the Black Sea
and they don’t know how far down these buildings go. They’re submerged.
Jackie: Isn’t it a possibility that that all got covered up in that big deluge, that big conflagration that Immanuel
Velikovsky wrote of?
Alan: I think this one was more deliberate.
Jackie: Do they have a timeline as to when it became a sea rather than a city?
Alan: Velikovsky’s explanation would be around 1300 BC and this was prior to that. As I say, the Old Testament in
Masonic parlance basically gives the rules of the game of this system in which we live.
Jackie: The rules of the game. Big game, right Alan? It’s a real game.
Alan: It’s the system. It’s a system again based on money, wealth, debt, slavery and so on. It gives all of the rules. It’s
interesting to note as well that the Pharisees were the black-robed priests when they emerged from Babylon.
Jackie: Like the judges today?
Alan: The judges are exactly the same and of course that represents Saturn in the old mystery religion and Saturn was
the father of the god; and they’re not real gods. They’re representatives of parts of the system. That’s what Jupiter and so
on all mean.
Jackie: Was it Zeus whose father was Saturn?
Alan: Saturn in Greek was Kronos (??????, Cronos, Chronos, etc.), so you go between the Greek and Roman. They
have different names for the same thing.
Jackie: Zeus became Zeus-Pater or god the father and that’s where Jupiter came from? The Greeks had Zeus-Pater. The
Romans had Jupiter or Jove, which is Jehovah?
Alan: Yehovah, so it’s the same thing.
Jackie: I remember that you had mentioned too that the story of Moses birth and being put into the brushes, hidden et
cetera was an exact take off of the story of Sargon the Elder of was it Babylon?
Alan: That’s right. He had the same story behind him and of course, again, it’s a play on words because Cone or Cohen
was priest in the Old Testament. That’s where King comes from eventually through different dialects, but Cohen was
priest and Cain was priest and so when they talk about bulrushes and the canes it’s all symbology of a priesthood. It’s an
esoteric story combined within it.
Jackie: And the Ten Commandments?
Alan: Again, I mean there were a lot more than ten, but according to modern Judaism they have the whole Mishnah,
which is the oral tradition, which is supposedly is the secret tradition that Moses gave to his followers and that was
meant only for – it’s crazy because there were no Jews when supposedly Moses gave them this, there was only Hebrews.
Jackie: And the world Hebrew is the word Habiru?
Alan: Habiru is the term that came up by the Egyptians of an invading people who came in from the highland areas to
the northeast and invaded and took over Egypt for a period. They were vicious mercenaries basically.
Jackie: The Habiru? And that was the Hebrew, right?
Alan: That’s what historians today think they must be and they do know that some of them had Semitic names, not all
of them, though, but the Habiru was a conglomeration of different peoples. It wasn’t just one race of people and they
were all nomadic initially, until they settled within Egypt, and they were the most tyrannical rulers Egypt ever had and
there was a General eventually who started an uprising to kick them out.
Jackie: The Hyksos are mentioned that way. Is that one in the same people?
Alan: It’s the same thing. The Hyksos refers to another term they went by, and that was shepherd kings.
Jackie: Okay. This is still the same Habiru?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: So they weren’t taken into Egypt and enslaved, that they actually went in to and enslaved Egyptians?
Alan: There were two forces that came into Egypt at the same time. One from the Mediterranean Sea and they were
called the Boat People, and another bunch came by land driving their animals before them and with them. The Hyksos,
they often say shepherd kings, but ‘Hyks’ really refers to cattle, that they drove cattle ahead of them, and Habiru was the
mercenaries who backed them up, basically, armed forces.
Jackie: So the more things change, the more they stay the same because they were the mercenaries.
Alan: Yes and so they took over Egypt. They slaughtered thousands of the Egyptians and then the Habiru nobility made
themselves pharaohs for a couple of hundred years until they were eventually kicked out again.
Jackie: And the story of the Exodus. Isn’t it amazing how they took that worldwide conflagration and wove it into a
story around these special chosen people of Jehovah?
Alan: It’s more than that. Again, it’s an esoteric story of a group coming out of Egypt, but the real story was to do with
Akhenaten priesthood. He was the pharaoh who they claim was the first guy to say that all gods are one and Aton was
the god.
Jackie: And he closed down all of the temples, didn’t he?
Alan: All the Amons and so on.
Jackie: We’re getting to take that break at the half hour.
Alan: I guess I’ll just talk about the Peoples of the Sea and the Hyksos in the meantime and the Peoples of the Sea may
have come from the Grecian Islands at the same time as the land invaders were coming across from the east.
Jackie: I’m listening again. Thank you, Alan. Is there more you wanted to say about this?
Alan: The esoteric part of the coming out of Egypt is to do with an entire Washington, D.C.-size bureaucracy, the
priests who had their brand new city of Amarna destroyed, and they were forced out basically. They were an Egyptian
priesthood and of course they were following Akhenaten, basically. That was the real esoteric story behind it, that all
God is one, you see. They called themselves slaves to the god or servants. They were public servants. That’s where the
term comes from and so that’s what all the high Masons know of the truth of the coming out of Egypt and what it’s all
about. It’s their system that was to take over the world coming out of one country and moving elsewhere.
Jackie: I have a book called “Thirty Thousand Gods Before Jehovah” and it’s a very fascinating book and it told a lot of
the language that you had told us how words are made and what they mean. Even our alphabet has its own little code
and then they mentioned the Caduceus and according to this book, they referred to the L and they used that name a lot.
They showed how often so many names end in L or begin with L, meaning God, that this priesthood is the one that
actually even set the boundaries where before there were no political or national boundaries and that they actually went
and set boundaries and actually changed the language. They said that is why so many of the languages have similarities,
but their passport to every country that they went was the Caduceus and that was the staff with the serpents around it
and they took translators with them because there were translators that could speak every language of every nation and
they call them the bounds. I mean they literally set nationhood. I mean you’ve talked about that before, that they’re the
ones that dreamed up the nations because if there weren’t nations there wouldn’t be countries fighting against each other.
Alan: And you could not have a nobility arising
Jackie: Ruling over a nation.
Alan: There has to be a government because governments say that themselves, that their first reason for existing is to
protect the people against those guys over there.
Jackie: They set up all these boundaries and now their intention is to destroy all the boundaries?
Alan: Yes, because they claim that the Great Work or this part of the Great Work came to these enlightened guys
around 4,000 BC. That’s what they claim and that’s also part of Judaic or Talmudic law, that the Great Work was begun
4,000 BC.
Jackie: 6,000 years ago. The rabbis claim that they know the exact time and date that the world was created.
Alan: In a sense they do because it’s the system they’re talking about.
Jackie: Okay, their world.
Alan: It’s the beginning of the system.
Jackie: It’s amazing because I remember when you were with us so often back there late ’98 early ’99 and that was the
first time I had even known anything about “international priesthood” and now in so many books that I read the
priesthood is mentioned and I’ve just never seen it before.
Alan: It’s all coming out now, but they definitely existed and when you do check out the esoteric traditions of the elite
of Jewry you’ll find the same esoteric traditions with the ancient elite of Greece and Rome and of the present nobility of
Europe and the States. It’s the same ancient tradition and religion within them all, so there is one religion running the
whole show here.
Jackie: I wrote a little note down last night. A thought that came to me, actually it’s a friend of mine who was listening
to another broadcaster and then said that she doesn’t listen anymore because there’s too much negativity. I won’t
mention names because I’m not saying this to be unkind, but that a lot of times it’s said there was nothing you’re going to
be able to do about it and she said why would he even be on the air if he tells all this terrible stuff and says there’s
nothing you can do about it. Really, Alan, as far as doing something about it, what does one do?
Alan: Obviously, if you live in a complete iron-clad system you can’t do anything about it if you use the methods that
are given to you. There’s no point in complaining about it because nothing is going to change the agenda that’s well
underway, especially at this phase of it, and so there’s no point in complaining to your representatives. They all belong
to a political party and their boss is the guy at the head of the party and since they’re all social climbers they’re not going
to go against their party. They’ll do what they’re told. In fact, I believe they just passed the second Patriot bill, today was
it?
Jackie: I brought up an email today from yesterday that said that it had passed the House and that it was expected to
pass the Senate today.
Alan: Three thousand pages of laws and nobody read it, so that tells you what your representatives are.
Jackie: How could anybody have read it? Three thousand pages?
Alan: I know but it was the same with the first one when they were told that they’d be unpatriotic if they read it.
Jackie: And yet, here we are, doing these radio broadcasts, sharing information, hopefully bringing truth, understanding
and awareness to people. There are people who are led at certain stages of their understanding and their awakening, I
guess, to do certain things. Ken and I talked this weekend that I was at one point for an example the people that get into
the “law” and I think how futile. I have this knee-jerk how futile to take a case into a court where they’re so corrupt and
yet it occurred to me one time that it is not for me to judge what other people are made to do because maybe it is a
compilation of all of the little things that each individual does that makes the difference.
Alan: Well, definitely using the system, which is law, you see, it might be important for that individual in that sense,
but technically it isn’t going to change the agenda.
Jackie: It won’t change the agenda but maybe if enough people are awakened. You had said this for example about the
Federal Reserve system but when I challenged you because I thought Tupper Saussy’s idea was pretty cool that people
within the state would have the IOU that they would present for fines or fees et cetera, taxes, in the state, and say as
soon as we have gold and silver coin we intend to pay. You had said no, it’s not going to work. I said well at least it’s
something and you said no because you cannot get out of the system by using their system. Gold. They own and control
the gold. They might not own it all but they certainly control it.
Alan: They also fix the prices of it.
Jackie: That’s what I was going to say, the value.
Alan: FDR confiscated the gold. They can confiscate anything they want.
Jackie: But one of the things that you said that took a long while to gel for me, when you said that you cannot get out of
the system by using the system and that makes sense and then I said okay well then what is your solution and you said –
this is what took a while to gel. That as soon as enough people understand it, it will collapse of itself, because you bring
something like this into the light of awareness and understanding and it can only exist in the darkness out of which it
was created and that it’s up to each and every one of us as individuals how we be.
Alan: How we be and everything boils down to individual choices as to where you are in your life or on your journey
and it’s true enough. Here’s your mirror image. There’s no doubt about it that you do come out of the darkness into the
light and when you come into the light then your mind, your body, your spirit, your soul all act in unison and you do
begin to radiate something from yourself to others. Your abilities are definitely increased. As Arnold Toynbee said in
his international meeting of the World Socialist Party, and he taught the Rhode Scholars and he was one of the oneworlders
of his day at Oxford University, but he said that a person who’s awake can think a thought that will be picked
up all over the world simultaneously as it’s being thought; it’s instant. They know that this actually works and we again
in a scientific age, as they try to atheise the public in order to control them, we tend to forget that there are other forces
at work here in this realm and there’s no doubt about it. As you truly wake up you’ll find that synchronicities become
more than just synchronicities and you can actually think about something and you’ll hear people suddenly
spontaneously discuss it the following day, and I’m sure that it would never pop into their heads unless you’d thought the
thought in the first place. This is the power of thought in itself and for thought to be pure and powerful it has to come
from someone who is awake, and I don’t mean just partly awake or they think they’re fighting the New World Order and
trying to preserve the old because the old was never theirs either. It’s all stages.
Jackie: To fix it or to turn this thing around, heck, why would we want it turned around?
Alan: You can go back to the debt system of today or whenever. It’s the same con game, but for these people to play
their godhood role, as they truly want to do, they must conquer every mind on the planet because you can’t be ultimate
and supreme or a god if there’s somebody left standing that you haven’t conquered.
Jackie: Yes and you brought that up. It’s out of George Orwell’s “1984” and I could not figure out why when they
caught Winston Smith why they spent so much time torturing him until he finally could actually see that three fingers
were four or whatever it was and then they killed him.
Alan: That’s right. It’s not good enough they said that you tell me that, you must believe it.
Jackie: When I was questioning you about it but I couldn’t figure out why they didn’t just kill him in the first place that
was what you brought up. Everybody, before they are counted successful by their own measurement, every mind has to
be controlled by them.
Alan: Every knee must bow. That’s what they’re after to themselves and they will coerce and cajole and use force where
required until everyone does it. They tend to use coercion until you have to go into a certain direction, but ultimately
they use force on those who do not.
Jackie: Let me ask you this because this thought went through my mind is that it also comes down to the emotional
energy that we put out, so when we are living in fear, when we’re living in hatred, when we’re living in anger, we are
actually feeding the beast, the system.
Alan: Oh absolutely. They’re like vampires.
Jackie: Spiritual vampires.
Alan: This whole system is fear based. That’s why there are no certainties in life except the fact you’re going to pay
taxes and die.
Jackie: So people have asked me how can you not hate them, I’ve just said I’ve chosen not to and if I do hate I’m not
aware of it, because I know we can fool ourselves sometimes, but what they do is they go back to the Bible and say well
Jesus said we are supposed to hate. You know, love the sinner but hate the sin or something. Well that word is a pretty
strong word and would you comment on that?
Alan: The only part in the New Testament where – Christians for such a long time have been taught this strange thing
of turning the other cheek and of course I’m sure that was added in there – and the Bible has been updated so many
times, even from the earliest times. In fact reincarnation was its natural functioning up until the 6th century AD, the
Second Council of Constantinople, they decided to take that out of the Bible.
Jackie: Under Justinian. I’ve got a paper on that but I’ve tried to do some research basically on the Internet and I can’t
find anything that verifies that.
Alan: You’ll find it in the Vatican papers if you go into the Catholic website because the Vatican admitted that. In fact,
recently they gave an apology for having removed all this in the 6th century. They gave a public apology. It was earlier
this year in fact.
Jackie: So literally removing references in the New Testament referring to reincarnation?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Well, I’m glad to hear that confirmed here because it makes sense to me and there are a couple of places in there
it looks like they may have forgotten about or left in on purpose.
Alan: That’s why there are so many contradictions. The Catholic Church you must remember was actually the Roman
Empire. They transferred from military might to psychological might; power over the mind was much easier and
actually more effective than armies and so they kept updating and removing and so on parts of the New Testament.
Jackie: And put words in Jesus mouth that would tie the New Testament back to the Old Testament and then that
proves to people that the Old Testament is the world of God.
Alan: Yes, even though they did leave in, he says, I come to fulfill it and this is the new covenant. He gave the new
covenant. This is brand new.
Jackie: You mentioned that one night and we really didn’t get into it because you said the New Testament was the new
covenant. In other words, from my understanding the Christians believed that Jehovah of the Old Testament being
“God” that when Jesus came the new covenant was made and that it is the same god that it’s just a different system now.
Alan: He never mentions Jehovah.
Jackie: I know but he said something about I did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. Well, to me I believe he
was talking about the universal law of creation.
Alan: Very possible.
Jackie: I don’t think he was talking about the man’s law.
Alan: There’s simply no comparison between what he was teaching in his day to the Old Testament. There’s no
comparison at all. I mean the Old Testament was an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and all that kind of stuff and
traditions.
Jackie: And wars and slavery and killing and slaughter.
Alan: Get rich and all that, and he preached the opposite to all of that. There’s no comparison whatsoever and of course
that’s why modern Jewry claimed that he was – that’s why he was killed, because he was preaching against all of their
beliefs. He was a heretic of that time.
Jackie: You said that he had studied the mysteries and he became a renegade?
Alan: He was openly (I say openly) but it was for those amongst the listeners who could understand the esoteric behind
the stories that he was getting, but he was getting it out to the public and these were sacred things that were to be kept
for inner religion.
Jackie: They didn’t want people to know that.
Alan: People don’t realize that the Pharisees were a brotherhood unto themselves and they had their own esoteric
religion just for the Pharisees.
Jackie: Those would be the Levites?
Alan: Not Levites. They were no Levites by then.
Jackie: Those priests really raked in, didn’t they, in the name of Jehovah? It counts all the gold and silver that was
brought to them and all the animals and all the first of this and first of that, as though it were going to be given to
“Jehovah” and the priests were just getting filthy rich.
Alan: Yes they were and they were also really enslaving the people because as Jesus said the people are so bound down
with man made laws; you wouldn’t believe how many rituals they had to go through in a day. People were being bound
down with all of these laws and rules and so on that they could hardly get a days work done and if they broke any of the
taboos (that’s what it was all about, taboos), they had to go and cleanse themselves and so on before they could start all
over again. Meanwhile, as Jesus said, you make all these laws that bind down my people but you don’t follow them
yourselves; so we’re back to the old hypocrisy business which is ever present with us. However, the Pharisaical sect
were a sect and they had an esoteric religion for themselves, which were not shared with the people they lorded over.
They claim to possess the secret laws of Moses at that time, which became the Mishna, and they have dozens and
dozens of other laws and rules that Gentiles have never heard of. It’s far more complicated than the school system we’ve
all been brought up in to believe and as I say there’s no trace of an Israelite people ever having existed in the ancient
records of well-established empires that existed supposedly at the same time as Israel and before it. The Persians took
copious records. The Egyptians – they’re still digging up records from all the different parts of the empires that they
ruled and there is no Israel mentioned anywhere.
Jackie: We only have a couple of minutes left. Do you observe Christmas?
Alan: Not for me. I mean it’s just – in fact, it’s well admitted that’s simply the turn over into the spring when the sun
hangs in the air for three days. It doesn’t go any further north and then it starts all over again. It starts going further
north, so that was always the ancient tradition.
Jackie: Some people say he was born in April. Some say he was born in October and I guess it really just doesn’t matter
what the name was but the fact that there was a very deeply loving spirit that came to this world to bear witness unto the
truth.
Alan: It was to show a way. What he was showing was all of the ways to defeat the system.
Jackie: Well, Alan, we just got our one minute warning here and I want to thank you for being on with us and you will
be back, yes?
Alan: Yes, I will.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
December 27, 2004
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us this cold winter evening. I hope you had a lovely
weekend and a peaceful love filled Christmas folks and I am glad to be back with you tonight and I’m glad you’re back
with us tonight. Today is Monday. It is the 27th of December in the year 2004 and our spiritual message tonight, I just
happened to open the Holy Bible and this is where it opened to. It’s one that I have highlighted but I don’t think I’ve ever
done this. This is from Matthew 15 and this is our statement by Jesus. It’s in the red. This is Matthew 15 beginning with
verse 10. “And he called the multitude and said unto them: Here and understand not that which goes into the mouth
defiles a man but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles the man. And then the disciples came and said to Him,
“Do You know that the Pharisees were offended after they heard this saying?” But Jesus answered and said, “Every
plant which My heavenly Father has not planted shall be rooted up. Let them alone; they be blind leaders of the blind.
And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”
Alan Watt is with us tonight again, ladies and gentlemen, and Alan, thanks for being here.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Now that was a good verse, wasn’t it?
Alan: It was, yes.
Jackie: I thought so too, and it just happened to open up to that, the blind leaders of the blind. I read an email today. In
fact it was from Henry Makow’s website. He’s Jewish and it appears to me that he truly is awakening because he’s been
exposing a lot of what is going on and he doesn’t seem to be one of those that say oh well we’re not Zionist Jews but yet
they still embrace the Talmud and everything that goes with that. One item that he had written he said his family had
disowned him because he was a traitor to his race and he had posted this and he said that he posted it not knowing if it
was true or not, but the fact that the man who had made these statements seemed to have so much information that he
put it on his website hoping that in fact if there was truth to it that wide exposure would maybe avert a catastrophe.
What he was talking about actually it was something that some German guy wrote and this German guy claimed that he
used to be an insider in Germany with the government and that there were plans – this was I think done originally on the
19th of December, and that there were plans by Wolfowitz and his gang to set off a nuclear explosion in Texas and he
said that they weren’t really sure if it was going to be Houston or maybe Atlanta but somewhere around there. And I
read it, and as Henry Makow said, this guy might be a provocateur. He didn’t use that word, but this might be just to
cause more anxiety and fear and yet there was a ring of truth in what this guy was saying and it occurs to me that the
faster people are waking up the faster they seem to be moving.
Alan: Well, yes, they have to. They’ve got a lot to do yet in a fairly short period of time. If they begin to lose public
interest in their agenda then they’ll have to create something to get them “onboard” as they say. They’ve been crying
“wolf” for so long now with different alerts and terror alerts et cetera that the public eventually will go to sleep.
Jackie: Oh yes and once people finally settle down and quit going into hysteria or fear and anxiety and just start saying
oh it’s just another one of them. It strikes me that it’s their modus operandi that as soon as people take kind of a sigh of
relief and say well it’s all smoke and mirrors, like on 9/11 there wasn’t a clue. You just woke up one morning and there it
was.
Alan: Although, it was in line with their agenda and by the law of averages it seems to be that every major catastrophe
in the world happens in the direction that they want it to happen.
Jackie: Well yes and that’s why I guess this had a ring of truth to me. I mean the provocateurs, the controlled opposition
are very good and usually when I read that stuff I don’t even finish reading it. I read a little portion and then just delete
and for some reason I took the time to read this and like I said there was a ring of truth and even if it didn’t occur that
doesn’t mean that something that dastardly isn’t in the plans.
Alan: The fact is, as far as the agenda goes, nothing must stop it and anything which aids it will be done if required,
regardless of the cost to human life, and that is the agenda. I think it was in “The Grand Chessboard” that Brzezinski put
out in ’98 that he went through the agenda basically beginning with Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Iran and Syria and that
coincided with the New American Century agenda that Wolfowitz and Pearl and a few others have put together.
Actually it was put together in the early ’90’s and then revamped in about ’96, updated a little bit, but they’re going fullout
to accomplish that New American Century agenda and that’s to force the one system worldwide on the few countries
remaining who don’t have this form of “democracy” as they call it.
Jackie: It’s their democracy.
Alan: The Central Bank, the same schooling system to get the same education so that we’re uniformly trained
worldwide basically. That’s what it’s all about.
Jackie: The new man. The Homo-Sovieticus?
Alan: Basically it is a soviet system.
Jackie: We talked about that and I referred to this book many times, “Cogs in the Wheel” by Mikhail Heller, and that is
exactly what they were doing in the Soviet Union for the 60 years when nobody could get in. Nobody could get out and
they said that they had created actually a new species of man. It took millions of years for man to reach Homo sapiens
and it took them only 60 short years to create an entirely new species and they call it Homo Sovieticus, soviet man or
the new man, and in the book it explains that that is the blueprint that is being carried out around the world.
Alan: It is. We’re being standardized. Everything is being standardized and you listen to news broadcasts from the BBC
and then you turn to Radio Beijing with these English speaking–
Jackie: They all have the same accent though.
Alan: Yes and they all basically talk the same way about the same things and if you’re not careful you won’t realize that
you’re actually listening to Radio Beijing because what you’re hearing is what the BBC gives out, which is declarations
from different departments of government. You know the department of this has decreed et cetera, et cetera and I mean I
grew up with that in Britain listening to that stuff.
Jackie: Alan, the British accent that they have is a little bit different than what I have heard the British accent. It’s
almost like a new accent that they have created for these announcers.
Alan: It’s a transatlantic accent. That’s what they call it. It’s partly American, partly Oxford English and it’s mixed
together for the New World basically. Obviously they’re all being trained regardless of whether they are from China or
England in the same place.
Jackie: What do you make of the terrible tsunamis that hit Indonesia?
Alan: Well, it’s exactly a year since they hit Iran with that earthquake and they called it Bam. The place was called
Bam, B-A-M, like the comic books. When they strike something they put “Bam!” down, and now we have this one here
hitting, again, countries or primarily the peoples who are classified as overpopulated by the UN itself and there are also
a lot of Muslim countries involved there.
Jackie: I have an email here. I think it was maybe in New York Times and all I saw was the subject but it said
“thousands from six different countries have died.” How many countries did this include? It said six, but do you know
which ones?
Alan: They don’t know yet because from epicenter the title waves traveled over 4,000 miles in all directions.
Jackie: Is that normal?
Alan: Well, this is an incredibly large underwater plate shift basically. No, we don’t have these ones all the time.
Jackie: They said that this area that the tsunamis are almost unheard of in this area and also there is an AP article. I just
once again read the headline. Well I actually read a couple of paragraphs of it and they said the governments or
whatever did not – they knew it was coming, Alan. This is an AP article and that no warning was given and their excuse
was that they didn’t have the technology. Yes, uh-huh. So in other words, as you read that, you see these creatures or the
minions of the creatures sitting high and dry knowing that this huge title wave is going to come and kill maybe hundreds
of thousands by the time it’s over.
Alan: Yes, because they still have millions homeless now and no fresh drinking water. It will all be contaminated for a
long time and of course food shortages and a lot of children that can’t survive on their own, so this could end up in the
millions
Jackie: Why don’t you talk here for just a minute, I’ll be right back.
Alan: This is an odd thing to happen at this time when they are talking about overpopulation. Years ago, most of the
Western world’s governments had departments working on methods of depopulating areas and they called it “Silent
Weapons for Quiet Wars.” Of course something that could be put down to either weather abnormalities or underground
tectonic shifts fall right into that category because they did experiments and had many meetings on creating disasters by
exploding atomic weapons in these large crevasses basically underneath the sea.
Jackie: Yes, I grabbed a book and I’ve shared this with our listeners before, but we have new listeners and in case
there’s anybody who doubts that this could have been caused by man, this little booklet is from the UN. It’s basic facts
about the United Nations. I ordered it right from the UN in New York and they’re going down a list of different treaties
that have been important first steps in the form of international arms control agreements et cetera, and in 1977; listen
folks. This is called “The Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental
Modification Techniques.” It’s called the ENMOD Convention. Now listen to this. This was in ’77. They had the
technology then and working.
“It prohibits the use of techniques that would have widespread or long lasting or severe effects through
deliberate manipulation of natural processes and cause such phenomenon as earthquakes, title waves and changes in
climate and in weather patterns.”
It prohibits the use not the research so this technology has been available for that many years already and as Alan said,
many times when they talk about technology they have it’s old news.
Alan: They’ve had it for a long time and yet, because it’s still in a sort of secret mode from the public, they can use it
and as long as there is that slight possibility or plausibility that this is just a weather phenomenon, most of the public
will accept that.
Jackie: Isn’t it interesting they specifically in this little overview it mentioned earthquakes, title waves, et cetera.
Alan: Yes and that’s just the High Altitude Auroral Research Program, the HAARP Project. Not only can it shift the jet
stream, which it has definitely done for the last week, but it can also cause the earthquakes. They can also create
hurricanes or tornadoes offshore and bring them anywhere inland and that’s all in the treaties.
Jackie: When hurricane season was ravaging Florida I read an item to our listeners from Tom Bearden and I’m not so
sure about who he really is but I believe that a lot of his information is accurate and basically he gave a very layperson
an explanation of how they can steer hurricanes wherever they want them to go.
Alan: For the last week they showed the weather pattern on the weather forecast every night and we saw the jet stream
basically crossing through Mexico, doubling back, going up the West Coast of Canada up to Alaska and in clockwise
motion it was coming down through Nova Scotia on the East Coast in a perfect circle and then coming up through
Louisiana and joining itself again. For a whole week they showed this big circle going around the continent.
Jackie: You were telling me about that last evening and I wasn’t actually picturing as you were talking how wide a
circle that thing made.
Alan: That’s right because we were getting minus 45 degrees – 45 degrees below freezing here. That’s how cold it was
up here and of course by the time that went over land and right down to Louisiana way to join itself, it was freezing rain,
but this literally affected the whole continent. On the first night they showed this strange phenomena the weather
forecaster on the local station did say that the jet stream was doing a very odd thing and he never mentioned that again,
of course, because he must have been told.
Jackie: They probably were told leave your comments to yourself.
Alan: Yes, that’s how it’s done and as long as it’s presented and just read the weather off as they normally do, even if
you’re seeing pink clouds it will make no difference because most people will not think for themselves anymore.
Jackie: Unless they hear a comment like that from a weather person that would make them stop to think. I can
remember during a hurricane, the last one named – what the heck was its name? Anyway, I heard on the Weather
Channel their expert talking about different hurricanes and then he went way down south there to that last one and he
said this is the furthest south that a hurricane or that a tropical storm has ever been named for a hurricane. In other
words what I was hearing was that they knew what they were going to do with that tropical storm that was so far south
they had never done it before, because if it was natural weather it could have just worn itself out before it did any
damage whatsoever.
Alan: Yes and all of the spraying of the skies is all part of the HAARP Project because the metallic particles and the
barium which they’re spraying basically is making the air more conductive to electromagnetic energy and so they can
certainly amplify the effects of it. Ultimately I think they’ll probably go in the same direction that Brzezinski also talked
about in the “Technetronic Era” where people’s minds will be affected by this kind of technology. They can make you
placid or angry or whatever they want you to feel by using electromagnetic pulses at certain frequencies.
Jackie: Frequencies that match the brain frequencies?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Dr. Begich was on a long time ago and in his book “Angels Don’t Play this HAARP” he did address that and
they actually have experimented with it and besides giving people mood swings, depression, anger, sometimes euphoria,
they can actually cause homicidal or suicidal thoughts, emotions that get so deep that people go off the deep end.
Alan: Then you couple that in with a guy from the same clique, that was Aldous Huxley. He gave a speech at Berkeley
University in 1962 and he said that most people simply aren’t happy and researchers such as the Tavistock Institute
which he worked for had been busily working to find a new soma drug or something that would make people feel happy
regardless of what they actually worked at in real life.
Jackie: Actually, Alan, it seems to me that those drugs from what I know of them really don’t create emotions unless
it’s deeper depression but that it mostly eliminates emotions, so maybe when he said the drug soma or something like
soma – they do have a drug named soma out there now, but that it would make them happy. Maybe what he really
meant was it would make them happy.
Alan: This is all to do with control. I mean that’s the bottom line with all governments and then supergovernment. It’s
all about control and how to get the public from where they are now into this new society, which will be completely
new. Culture, everything, ways of doing things, it will all be different. It will be a planned society and an organized
society where there’s no free will really. There will be laws for everything and permits for everything in the next phase
that’s coming up and that won’t be the final phase. Cloning eventually will be the norm down the road and those ones
who are compliant are the ones who will be cloned.
Jackie: You were telling me about a program they have now that they’re actually cloning pets for pets for people.
Alan: Yes, right out of that Schwarzenegger movie where I think it started off with the little girl’s pet being cloned
because it died.
Jackie: Which Schwarzenegger movie?
Alan: “The 6th Day” or something and then ultimately of course he was cloned in the movie too, but they had a
shopping mall where you went in with a sample of your pet’s DNA and they would clone your pet. Lo and behold, it was
announced at the weekend that a lady in the U.S. (and they wouldn’t disclose her name, naturally), but she had just got a
duplicate of her cat made. Her cat had just died and sure enough, she had the money. She had the bucks and they cloned
a kitten for her, an identical replica of her cat.
Jackie: And of course, if that doesn’t work we’ll never hear about it?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: You led us right into something that I would like you to talk about because they use entertainment to get us used
to something, accepting of something or sometimes, as you’ve said, just to mock the victims. They tell us exactly what
they’re doing or what they intend to do and in the book “The Committee of 300” John Coleman the former MI5 or MI6
guy, like there’s such a thing. Anybody listening, folks, he’s done some very good work and again there are hooks in
them. I have an audio tape of a talk that he was doing for a group and what he had said to this group is that he was
ejected from England with only the clothes on his back and he came to America. You know that is so phony, Alan. In
fact, when he was on the air with us I asked him about that and he denied it was him. I mean it said right on the audio
tape Dr. John Coleman and you could hear the voice, you could recognize the voice but he didn’t want to admit that he
said that because it’s such a blatant – and first of all, there is no such thing as former CIA, MI6 or any of those. Anyway,
in his book he did mention “the beginning of the end,” if you would, with the Beatles and their music and they were
lifted into the spotlight too. I would like you to address this because I am not sure what function it was they were to
serve, but that was when they began in the ’60’s really making drastic changes in the “culture.” You were talking about
the fact that the Beatles never wrote one of their songs and I don’t recall you telling us that before and I’d like you to
address it.
Alan: Well, even leading up to that, you have to go into the 1800’s because they’d already experimented with different
kinds of music to find out how it affected people, primarily the young. They were going into disharmonic types of
music, discords, that type of thing, which made certain audiences angry even. Remember in the late 1800’s guys like
H.G. Wells were pushing for “free love” as they called it and they had to destroy the current society and family by
promoting promiscuity, knowing that the earlier children start the less likelihood there will be of a bonding on any
permanent basis down through their lifetime. Then in the Roaring ’20’s during the elicit booze era which made it more
daring to go into the booze cans and have parties et cetera, they came out with jazz.
Jazz had already been tested in the Soviet system and further developed to find its effects on young people and so they
mixed it with drugs and so on and they came out with the miniskirt in the 1920’s for the Charleston dance. Sure enough,
you bring young people into the booze cans, miniskirts, dancing and pretty strong booze and they ended up with lots and
lots of unwanted pregnancies and venereal diseases and because they didn’t have the pill at that time it sort of faded
away. Orphanages blossomed to take care of all the excess children that were unwanted and the clinics were full of
people with syphilis et cetera and so that faded away; and from the ’30’s onwards the sciences in the West worked
fervently on ways of fighting sexually transmitted disease such as syphilis and to find a way of birth control and voila!
when they had it all, including the psychedelic drugs to go with it, which they had also experimented with, they gave
you the pop era.
Jackie: Okay, let’s hold it right there because we’re taking our 60 second break here. Folks, we’ll be right back with
Alan Watt. You were talking about this lead up to what we’re going to talk about with the Beatles and you had gotten
through the Roaring ’20’s and they came up with the pill and they came up with a fix for the venereal diseases and then
where?
Alan: Again the miniskirts, the same thing.
Jackie: In the ’60’s, yes, but I must admit I was one of the wearers of miniskirts.
Alan: And a whole new type of music just aimed at young people to get them going and it sex was plied openly. It’s
strange because in the BBC which was the only television station in Britain at that time and it’s run by the government
and at that time every employee of the BBC had to come from Eaton for security reasons, so basically these were minor
aristocracies running the BBC. What I noticed when I was small, watching all this stuff, I thought, well, these people,
why are the elite giving you a debased culture because it was very evident with the shows they were putting on for
young people – at taxpayers expense, by the way. This is all funded by the taxpayers. The elite were giving you a
culture which would obviously destroy the culture you already had and of course that’s what it was intended to do. Sure
enough, they gave you the flower power era, the rock groups and the free love, the pill at the same time they began to
push for abortion clinics because there was still girls who didn’t go on the pill and so they got the abortion clinics
through, covertly at first and then openly; and sure enough, we see today that very few marriages have a chance of
lasting more than three to five years.
Jackie: Say that again.
Alan: The chances of marriage today and promiscuity definitely has been a big part of it and they knew in the 1800’s if
they could get the children committing sexual acts, before even puberty if possible, then there’s less likelihood that they
would bond for life with a partner down the road. That’s proven to be true and during the early 1900’s Lord Bertrand
Russell, another member of the aristocracy, had his own experimental schools in Britain where he was promoting this
very thing to see how they could change children as they grew up. It had been tested in smaller controlled groups before
it was let loose on the world and so they knew exactly how to do it and what the effects would be. There’s nothing ever
just blasted onto the scene by itself. It’s all programmed.
Jackie: Very, very carefully and long time planned.
Alan: Then when the Beatles of course burst forth with probably more money behind them promoting them than
anybody had ever had before and so they were famous before anybody really actually heard them.
Jackie: Thank you. When I hear or listen to old Beatle songs they seem so innocent and so will you explain what
function did the Beatles serve and their music?
Alan: You have to listen to the words, number one.
Jackie: Well I have. It’s been a long days night and hey Jude. I’ve listened to the words and only it’s been a while,
maybe I would hear something different. Can you think of something?
Alan: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, LSD and Tangerine. Mind you, we’re seeing the tangerine skies now with the
spraying, but they put the drug message and all the top groups put drug messages through.
Jackie: If people don’t understand what that means, how does it get to them?
Alan: They knew what it meant. You’d me amazed how quickly children figure things out.
Jackie: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. Remember Puff the Magic Dragon?
Alan: Oh yes.
Jackie: That was supposed to be about I guess marijuana? I thought it was a cool song and I would have never thought
about what they said that it means.
Alan: It’s the same with Burl Ives. Burl Ives sang the Big Rock Candy Mountain and it was about homosexual
pedophilia. It was an in-joke with all of the guys that understood it and this goes on all the time.
Jackie: How does this affect the listeners if they don’t consciously understand what the words mean?
Alan: It’s surprising how much of an effect through subconscious listening. Your subconscious can actually understand
more than sometimes your conscious mind because your conscious is trying to scan things. It’s very busy scanning
things to censor out those things it doesn’t like or whatever, but if your defenses are down and you’re not scanning it, it
goes right into the subconscious and your subconscious can figure things out much more quickly. The magazines as well
that they bombarded all the youth with at that time also contained a lot of the messages and explained to the children
what these things meant, like the Rolling Stones Magazine.
Jackie: Oh sure, there you go and a lot of the Rolling Stones Magazine was very popular, wasn’t it?
Alan: It was a planned orchestrated blitz basically on the public. There were limousines going around universities, guys
getting out and throwing big garbage bags of LSD over the walls. All free LSD to get the LSD culture going and that’s
how they started it. They were literally throwing bags over the walls for free and so this was an orchestrated blitz. Even
on the BBC on the “Top of the Pops” as they called it, the shows that they gave you, they joked about this kind of thing
going on as though it was all fun and how tongue-in-cheek this was. It was all fun and again I thought, well, Britain has
probably had more control over its people (that’s why they’re called subjects) than any other culture in the West, why
would the elite not only be allowing this but actually be the ones doing it? It was so evident because nothing was
published in Britain unless the elite authorized it, so this is coming from the top.
Jackie: You were telling me about the writer of the Beatles songs and today what’s is name that owns the–
Alan: Michael Jackson bought the rights.
Jackie: Okay. Tell our listeners about this.
Alan: The Beatles appeared on the BBC once again in the late ’60’s and they all said that they were broke and when
they were asked why they were broke, there was a silence. They wouldn’t explain, they looked at each other sort of
knowingly and no one knew at that time why these guys would be broke. It turned out that they did not own the rights to
supposedly their songs and never had. Then in the early ’80’s Theo Adorno (who was the actual owner of those songs)
died and the songs went up for sale and Paul McCartney at that time put a bid in alongside Michael Jackson and
Michael Jackson won the bid and he now owns the rights to the Beatles songs. The Beatles never have owned the titles
of those songs.
Jackie: And they never wrote one of their songs?
Alan: I think maybe some of the little “drug-induced ditties” I call them, the simplistic stuff, they may added a bit here
and there, but the big ones, no, they didn’t. You can tell by the words too that someone much older had written them
apart from the fact that much of the music could only have been done by someone who studied classical music and Theo
Adorno was a professor of music.
Jackie: If somebody knew classical music, well, they would know that?
Alan: Yes. Even simple guitarists, if they look at the types of chords schemes and so on and tempo changes, this is
beyond your typical three-chord wonder that you know of so well. Theo Adorno was one of the best professors really in
Germany for many years in all kinds of music, but mainly classical, and he came over to Britain and headed the Royal
Philharmonic Orchestra and he was best friends with the Queen of England and definitely worked with Martin, who was
the producer for the records for the Beatles. I have no doubt at all it was him who wrote them because he certainly
owned the rights of the songs.
Jackie: And what was their function?
Alan: The function again was to change society, change culture. Plato had said it thousands of years ago, that by his
rights, as he said, we should control music very strictly because it effects the minds of the young. They knew from
thousands of years ago how the effects can be on the young and they also knew that if they wanted to create a generation
that would go to war they’d give them marching type songs and tunes, and if they wanted to generate a culture they’d
give them lots of sensual music. This was meant to destroy what was in order to create that which might be, as they say
in high masonry.
Jackie: What was for what might be. I may have done this but I want to mention this again just in case I didn’t. A few
ago, I got a call from a friend and said oh I’m watching this really beautiful movie on ABC and it’s titled “The Five
People You’ll Meet in Heaven” and as soon as he said ABC I thought well there’s something real wrong here and then I
gave my sis a call. It was after the broadcast and asked her what she was doing and she said, oh, I’m watching the most
precious movie and it was the same thing and so when it came on again I was able to tape it and watch it and there was
some and see this is now – folks, I’m saying this so that you will be aware of this. Something that touches your heart that
reaches in the truth, there was some very beautiful parts to that movie that would touch you, but knowing that it was
ABC I was very clear that there was some message there, something. There was a hook and basically what I saw for the
most part was the glorification of war, but I wanted to mentioned this because once again they’re using entertainment
and they’re using our love and our compassion and our desire for spiritual truth to get their message across and that’s
exactly what I saw in it, Alan.
Alan: They use natural tribal instincts and bring them to the fore because regardless of the era we live in, we still have
innate tribal instincts and they’re the same instincts that are employed by all higher mammals. That’s why they’ve
studied such much of mammalian life forms to basically find out what are the easiest direct roads to effect humans and
sure enough they know exactly what buttons to push. It’s no coincidence that for the last 20 years they’ve generated the
music down to its most primitive form to create a culture and a generation that would go off to war and be the new
barbarians.
Jackie: It’s their duty, it’s honor and it is – that is exactly what they were – even though they showed the horrors of war.
They did flashbacks of this guy who went to heaven and one of his old army buddies was there and it was terrible what
they showed and yet, while they were showing you the horrors of war, they were instilling in people, unsuspecting
people, that it’s our duty. It’s for honor. We do this for our country.
Alan: Meanwhile you have bunch or a clique basically running your country and thousands of think tanks working
fervently on ways to control the minds of the young to make them go off and fight in these wars.
Jackie: And if they can’t get enough of them to do it, they’ll set off a nuclear bomb.
Alan: Yes and they’ll bring in the draft. See, youngsters have got their values from the state and from media, as
Bertrand Russell promised would eventually happen, because they’ve all been brought up with kindergarten teachers and
so on and Bertrand Russell said that in the 1920’s. He says we won’t have to take the children from the parents at birth.
Through experimentation, he said, we found that we can inculcate values in the children if we even have them for only
four or five hours a day at kindergarten age and so the moral values of the parents will be of no consequence.
Jackie: I have read a lot of the brain research that they’ve done and they said from the time the child is born up until the
age of nine that their brain is actually literally exploding and all these neuron-synapses are being created and that the
child continues to learn after the age of nine but up until that time their learning curve is just awesome and they want
that child as young as they can – and get the child. So those early years, folks, in pre-schools – any pre-school today as
far as I am aware has to meet with state and federal standards and in order to do that then there is certain propaganda,
certain techniques that they have to use, so if you have a child, or a grandchild, niece or nephew that’s in pre-school and
think it’s so wonderful, think again. Think again and as long as you can keep your children out of those darn government
indoctrinations centers, because if you think that what you’re going to try to give them at home is going to do any good,
their techniques are down to a fine, fine art and the technology today that your values that you would like to instill can
be erased in an afternoon.
Alan: It’s a perfect art today actually.
Jackie: I know that. One of the things that we were going to discuss and we haven’t is the report that you were telling
me about and maybe you would come back with us tomorrow evening?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: If you would do that I would like you to zero in on that tomorrow and share it with our listeners because once
again it is relevant and folks I want you to know I’ve had comments from listeners and not comments from people that
say, oh, why are you bringing Alan Watt on all the time? Most of them are pleased to have Alan back again but it’s been
suggested that if I have Alan on all the time it will become the Alan Watt program. I don’t really – how can I say this? I
don’t care who it is that is presenting the information to you that I believe is relevant and if I had a guest on every single
night that was doing the presenting, if I believed it was relevant and that it could make a difference, I would do that
because where I fit in in this broadcast, in my mind, in my heart, I am a seeker of the truth. I am very clear that of all
that I have learned that what I have learned is the tip of an iceberg and so therefore it is an open process, an ever
unfolding process, and I bring Alan Watt on with us because he has insight and a gift of talent that I see that I want to be
able to share with you and so Alan will be back with us again tomorrow night. There’s some stuff that I want to share
with you, so on Wednesday probably, unless something comes up, I will save it until then and have Alan back tomorrow
night.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
December 28, 2004
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. This is Tuesday and it
is the 28th of December in the year 2004. We’re coming up onto the beginning of a new year, ladies and gentlemen. I
will begin right now first of all with our spiritual message and this is a familiar one. John 17 beginning with verse 36
with 35. Pontius Pilot talking to Jesus asked. He said “you’re a nation and the chief priests have delivered you to me.
What have you done?”
I want you to know by the way I am reading from a King James Version. I just take out the thee’s and thou’s as I’m
reading, folks. I’m not reading from a new international version et cetera, not that it probably doesn’t make that much
difference, but just for your information I just take out the thee’s and thou’s.
He said “your own nation and the chief priests have delivered you to me. What have you done? Jesus said my kingdom
is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight that I should not be delivered to the
Jews but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
Then in verse 37 Pilot said: “Well are you a king then? And Jesus answered, you say that I am a king. To this end was I
born and for this cause came I into the world that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth
hears my voice.”
Alan, if you will give me just another minute or so, there’s something I wanted to address, ladies and gentlemen. Jeff
called me today. We had a conversation and mentioned to me. He did not say this out of meanness or anything. It was
just part of our conversation that he said that he had people say to him comment that the problem with listening to Sweet
Liberty is that I am such a downer and I was surprised to hear that. I wasn’t offended and I do know absolutely that he
did not say that to “hurt my feelings” or anything else. It was just part of our conversation. I want to say this to you for
those of you who feel that listening to Sweet Liberty is a downer or that I’m a downer. There may be times when in my
voice I sound like I’m down and then if I sound like I am, it’s probably because I am.
This is not an exciting thing that we’re doing, other than the excitement maybe would be in the opportunity to present
truth as we know it as we’re discovery it as it’s unfolding, but what is happening in this world I find nothing uplifting
about it. The plan that is ongoing for the mind and the soul of the people in this world and so therefore I just wanted to
say that if I sound down sometimes it’s probably because I am because sometimes the sadness it’s difficult sometimes to
be able to step outside of it and not have the deep sadness that’s there within me for what is happening and the lies that
we have all been born into. That angers me and I am also saddened by it because I’ve said that my life’s search has been
a search for spiritual truth and why with these “churches” with the holy book and all these holy men who are out there in
the churches supposedly leading their flocks to where I don’t know. We have had to search for spiritual truth because it
has been hidden from us and that’s what I wanted to say. Alan, thank you for your patience because I’ve been 10 minutes
here.
Alan: That’s an interesting place to start. It’s odd that someone would complain about a person or a program being
down, when the whole of the shortwave is generally an awful lot worse in what they reveal as to the agenda. There are
programs on at one in the morning for three hours and then another guy on for three hours and it’s just bad news after
bad news after bad news. In between them, as you say, they have the holy rollers who are either welcoming what’s
happening to the world and its takedown because it’s just so wicked and evil except for those guys themselves as
preachers and another Christian bunch are just so happy that it’s in God’s hands.
Jackie: That this is God’s plan?
Alan: It’s God’s plan, yes, so for anyone to complain that the show is down, I wonder what else they are listening to on
the shortwave.
Jackie: I wasn’t offended. Sometimes we can fake to ourselves. I felt nothing, I mean not any anger or upset. I thought
wow that’s amazing.
Alan: What you could do you know is get some bells and whistles and funny sounds and intersperse them between
vocals and so on and a few comical songs in between and maybe that would brighten it up. Oh, wait a minute. That’s
done already. Sorry.
Jackie: I told Jeff – we were talking about some people, those of us on the shortwave and et cetera that we talk about all
the problems and we never talk about solutions. I have been there, done that and the one thing I do stand by is that if a
person is going to get involved it’s in our own backyard and I do know that it begins with us first, period. But on a
political level, the most powerful work can be done on a political and on a state level. As I was explaining to Reverend
Ted Pike, he wanted us all to call the Congress. Well, my God, he already told us that 48 of the states have passed the
hate crime laws, so why would we call the Congress? I told Jeff today, I said where I’m at right now and I am moved
from within to where I’m at, I cannot imagine anything more important that we can offer our listeners than an
opportunity to come out of the lies.
Alan: Yes and they truly are in the lies. The fact is that politics is not only corrupt. Everybody involved in politics has
been already selected and pre-selected before they’re put up for election and it’s been like that for centuries. That’s the
bottom line.
Jackie: And they follow somebody else’s orders.
Alan: Yes they do. They’re hand picked for it and there’s not a single one up there in the Senate who isn’t a Mason.
Jackie: Or Senate or House of Representatives and we’ve had enough time to see what happened to Congressman
George Hansen when he was telling the truth about the money system. They literally sent a helicopter and picked him
up off the steps of building wherever he was doing his speech and they took that man away and for a long time nobody
even knew where he was because they were railroading or taking him from one prison to another. The man was tortured,
no, maybe with burned matches et cetera, but in leg chains. This is U.S. Representative in handcuffs and leg chains for
hours without being able to get up and use the bathroom and look at what happened to Congressman Jim Traficant and
there’s another one, Congressman Wes Cooley in Oregon. He almost went to prison with false charges because he
wouldn’t play the game up there, so I’ve been long enough in this that I have seen that calls to the U.S. Congress are – I
know that people who do it. I mean, Alan, I was there and done it, but it’s futile because they will do what they are told
to do or they’re going to get killed or they’re going to get sent to prison.
Alan: Or loss of money, that’s the big one. God giveth and God takes away, and there’s not one of these characters who
got up there and became wealthy that didn’t have the doors opened for them and just as easily those doors can be closed
and they all know that, because this is a complete system we live in of control. It’s complete and money is the key
because everything revolves in the world on money. Not on food or clothes, but on money and everybody’s in the pocket
of the bankers as they say. They can have their loans foreclosed just in an instant if they don’t play the game and they all
know it, but mind you, because they’ve been selected and psychologically tested et cetera, that’s why they’re up there.
They do play the game and they enjoy it.
Jackie: This seems almost unbelievable. It was a newspaper article. Not that everything in the newspapers is true but
sometimes they do report the news. The judge in Colorado that was going to be hearing Tim McVeigh’s trial, I don’t
now what was going on behind the scenes before he straightened his act out, but just before the trial his daughter was in
Hawaii and she accidentally fell into a volcano and this judge during that trial admitted no evidence whatsoever that
would have exonerated Tim McVeigh, so we know what they do.
Alan: The shortwave itself has its fronts as well. There’s no doubt about it. There are people on shortwave radio who
are definitely fronts for the system, although they play supposedly against the system. They do bring people down
psychologically by overwhelming people with the enormity of all of this. On the other hand, people have to know what
the agenda is because ultimately whatever decisions are made all stem to the individual.
Jackie: Yes and we are every day at every moment in a sense, well maybe not in a sense, but actually faced with
choices, but we should think ahead of time about what the possibility is. I cannot think of anything more exciting, if you
would, to realize, to become aware of the fact that we are one with our creator and the power within us and to know that
we don’t have to pray to some saint. We don’t have to do a thousand rosaries. We don’t have to jump through hoops to be
in touch.
Alan: Or over goats.
Jackie: Over goats?
Alan: That’s the Masons.
Jackie: To know the truth of that to me is the most important and it’s what helps me to continue on knowing that.
Alan: It’s also odd that so many people who worship the exoteric Jesus through their churches seem to miss all the vital
parts that are in the New Testament. They miss the point that he came as a man of sorrows. He wasn’t jumping up and
down and saying let’s all be happy, as they do in the churches or at least the churches have turned into those kind of
churches. The reason he was a man of sorrows was because he was conscious and because he was conscious he knew
the state of the world in his own day and it was completely corrupt as it is today. He knew the suffering of the people
because of the corruption and nothing has really changed; and his message was not just be happy. That was not the
message, but this cultural Christianity that’s been an invention over the last hundred years basically has altered the
functions and the purposes of the churches.
Jackie: Yes and then people celebrate in their churches and in their hearts, I guess, what is happening today because
they truly believe that it is the plan of a loving Heavenly Father Creator and I remember Rick Wiles. He was on in fact
this time in this frequency before I came here, he is doing something on TV now, I believe, but I heard him say one
time, I know what’s happening out there. I see it and then he went on to say but I’m not concerned because I know Jesus
is coming back and he’s going to establish his throne in Jerusalem and I am going to be in the front row or something
like that; and then he’s going, come Jesus, come Lord Jesus. In other words, basically what the man was saying is be
joyous because all that is happening is happening because the time is near and now we’ll have a kingdom on earth. Jesus
said, “my kingdom is not of this world,” and when you mentioned what they meant or what they don’t discuss.
Alan: Well, really, they can’t discuss it because they know deep down if they really consciously take time and think
about certain things, that what they’re really doing is going along with a culture and not a truth. It’s a culture which was
created for them to keep them to be happy sheep you see who are grazing and of course sheep are meant to be
slaughtered. That’s the whole point of being a sheep.
Jackie: Yes. A lot of listeners have missed broadcasts that we’ve done and I recall one time and I’ve seen the
photographs, the pharaohs had the shepherd crooks. They have the statues or engravings or whatever and what you
explained is – will you explain it if you would, Alan?
Alan: You’ll see all the pharaohs with their arms crossed in front of their chest and that symbol is the symbol of X,
which is the illumined man even today. In one hand they have the short symbol, not the long crook but it’s a stylized
crook of the shepherd and in the other hand he has the rod to beat you; and of course the whole idea through law is to
coerce people into going along and they use the crook, in other words. That’s the symbol of the crook for the shepherd
and if the sheep don’t go along then you beat them with the rod and that’s called force. Nothing has changed today. All
laws are put out there in the full knowledge that 90 percent of the public no matter what the law is will obey it
automatically.
Jackie: You mentioned one time that you didn’t believe that Jesus referred to us as sheep because it would be a
tremendous insult because sheep are so stupid, that the shepherd’s crook is used if they get themselves in a corner, they
don’t even have enough sense to back up. They just stand caught and they reach out with that crook and they pull them
out of the corner that they’re in. Remember you talked about the word repent? Talk about that please.
Alan: Repent is also a compilation of “pent,” which was the pent-upness of an animal or a group of animals that were
ready to be captured. In ancient times they used to come around coastlines and literally men with nets would circle little
islets and they would pen-up the sheep and that’s why you have pentlands.
Jackie: That’s why you have what?
Alan: A place called pentlands. Pentland firth and pentland forth.
Jackie: Pentland?
Alan: That’s where the ships came in and that’s where they raided the coastline for sheep – not for the sheep, but for
slaves basically and so they would literally net them and that’s where the whole idea of penning sheep came from.
Jackie: And repent?
Alan: Repent, again, it’s symbolic of an esoteric meaning. It’s like regenerate or repopulate the world in Genesis and
you have repent, so that which is done once can always be done again if you use the same techniques over and over and
over. That’s exactly what law is.
Jackie: What did you say the other day about Genesis?
Alan: It’s the gene of Isis.
Jackie: Gene of Isis and I want to remind our listeners that IS-RA-EL is actually a three part word, ISIS, RA and EL.
Alan: That was common on the Kabbalah and the Talmud, which came from Babylon, was to use one or two letters of
each word and make a new word from them. That was very common and of course you also use the same technique
when you were pointing out opposites because they have an agenda and they’ve had it for thousands of years and they
talk about using the laws of nature to bring about the agenda. In nature you have spring, and you have fall and you have
summer and you have winter, so you have opposites. They literally create the opposites to create conflicts, which bring
change, which they then direct into their agenda and so that’s why they created the U.S. and its opposite, supposedly, the
Soviet Union. US—SU, you see?
Jackie: Oh my and UN?
Alan: UN, which is one. It’s the French word for one, so everything is in front of our faces if we care to see it.
Jackie: Something I’ve noticed in newspapers and reports et cetera, the UN isn’t U period N period. It is just the plain
old capital U, capital N and I’ve noticed sometimes they’re doing that with the U.S. now – US
Alan: US, that’s right and it’s interesting that the main password in the time of Franklin and Washington and Voltaire
and so on for Masons was “nous” (“nu”), which is N-O-U-S, which came from the Greek and then it goes into the
French for the same meaning actually and it means “us”. That was their password.
Jackie: US?
Alan: They play these games all down through history and of course most children can’t figure it out and they have no
reason to figure it out. They think that if there’s anything worth knowing the teacher is going to explain it to them, but
you find the teachers don’t know themselves. In the times of John Dee, for instance, who basically was a high Kabbalist
in Queen Elizabeth I. government and he was also a spy in Europe for her, his code number was 007.
Jackie: James Bond?
Alan: That’s right. John Dee himself created the term the British Empire and even Britain – in British means–
Jackie: Hold this because we are going to take our 60-second break. Now remember what you were saying so that I
hear you on the other side. For those of you who like to have some type of confirmation, there’s oftentimes Alan will
and especially when he was first on with us I probably said at least a dozen times just because Alan Watt says this
doesn’t mean its true and I’m saying that because I have not researched it, but we would have to do our own research.
The next thing I began getting emails and packages mailed to me people saying look at this, look at this, it’s exactly
what Alan was talking about and it was difficult. I went through a time period where it’s so difficult to grasp the
enormity of the lies that we have been literally born into. History is not what we’ve ever been told. There was a time and
a period of time and I told Alan this, that I feel like I’m in another world, some place and everything I look at looks
unreal to me. In fact, Alan said, well, that’s a good place to start and the books that he put together go a long way toward
giving evidence and confirmation of some of the statements that he makes that sound so out of it that we would have a
tendency maybe sometimes to set it aside or put it away or let it go in one ear and out the other and that’s one thing that I
have never done is just say I don’t believe and then let it go. It’s important for us to keep in our minds and do our own
research if possible and take advantage of the research that others have done and this is what Alan has put together in
the books. [See www..com for details.]
Alan: We were talking about John Dee coining the term British Empire.
Jackie: And when was this?
Alan: It was in the 1500’s and “British” hadn’t been used before really and it’s a compilation of two Hebrew words and
“Brit” means covenant and “ishi” means people, so obviously Britain had a different agenda from its very beginning
than the average person who lived there ever knew.
Jackie: Did I hear this right? “Brit” means covenant and “ish” means people?
Alan: Yes. This was also reiterated in the writings of Francis Bacon who was around the same period. He said that we
are creating the international language of the future called English. Prior to that, really, English was mixture of
Germanic tongues and Celtic tongues, so they literally created the English language in that period. Then of course King
James came out with the Bible to present it to the people. That was part of the reason for that Bible coming out then
with that particular type of language and you find the same thing was going on in Germany with Luther and elsewhere,
so they update the languages and change the languages through bibles basically.
Jackie: Oh, thank you for bringing this up. We were talking about this in our recent conversation and I have a Geneva
Bible here, which is allegedly a photocopy of the Geneva Bible, and I didn’t do the whole thing chapter and verse, but as
I was picking at random different verses from different chapters, books et cetera, I didn’t find anything different. You
mentioned that the footnotes had a lot to do with it.
Alan: They put their comments in.
Jackie: Yes, the comments on the side notes, but you said that that Geneva Bible was Calvin’s bible?
Alan: No.
Jackie: Okay. What did you say?
Alan: The Geneva Bible was put together by people who exiled who’d left Britain who were all Rosicrucian’s basically
and who were putting out a Bible supposedly for the people and they used older translations obviously to put it together.
They had changes in it too, because instead of “king,” wherever “king” was mentioned, they used the word “power”;
whereas King James since he was the representative of God basically, as a sovereign, changed it all to “king.”James’
version omitted “power” and simply put “king” in all those places.
Jackie: But it’s very much the same as the Geneva Bible, isn’t it?
Alan: It’s similar. It’s a different flowery language. It’s a more flowing poetic type of style.
Jackie: Are there different books in the Geneva Bible that weren’t in? What is the difference between the King James
and how long is the Geneva Bible?
Alan: It was put out not too long before King James first edition and they used to call it the Breechers Bible.
Jackie: The what?
Alan: The Breecher. Like breeches, you know.
Jackie: Britches?
Alan: Yes, and the reason for it being is that–
Jackie: Like pants?
Alan: Yes, because they changed the part about the fig leaf and so on for Adam for his loincloth into breeches for some
reason and so they called it the Breechers Bible and I guess it was a play on preachers as well. In even older ones, if you
go through the different Aramaic texts, you’ll find that it was the same square lambskin that the Masons use today.
Jackie: His fig leaf?
Alan: That’s right, so this has been on the go for a long time. Getting back to Britain, as I say that was named Britishi.
Jackie: What was England called before it was called England?
Alan: England was just England and Scotland was Scotland and you had Ireland and Wales, and so they united it then
they called it the United Kingdom and then in John Dee’s day they called it the British or Great Britain and the people
were called British or covenant people and most of them don’t even know that today.
Jackie: What is that supposed to mean, covenant people?
Alan: Obviously there’s a covenant here being brought into play that the people were unaware of, expect those who did
bring it into play. It had a mission to fulfill in other words and John Dee talked about that mission, that an empire would
be created which would encompass the whole globe and ultimately bring the whole world under this one governmental
system. It was written about in his day.
Jackie: Is the same priesthood behind all this?
Alan: Same priesthood, yes, and he read Hebrew and the Kabbalah and he wrote extensively about the Kabbalah, as did
many of the later ones that came along after him.
Jackie: Alan, is the Kabbalah evil?
Alan: The Kabbalah is like all the writings, basically, there’s always an exoteric which most people pick up on but they
seldom see the esoteric. It takes almost a mindset to be able to pick out the real meanings underlying the initial writings
and therefore the Kabbalah coupled with the Mishnah, which is the oral tradition supposedly–
Jackie: The Mishnah Torah.
Alan: It’s supposed to be the oral tradition given by the mythical Moses. In other words, here’s a bunch of laws for the
exoteric people, the people who will follow, and here’s the explanatory notes that go into detail for the adept basically. It
was degreed system even back then. Coupled with the Kabbalah and underlying all its mysticism, if you get underneath
it, you’ll find it’s a system basically. It’s a coding type of thing and a system all to do with where this plan, the great
work, is going.
Jackie: When you mentioned coding, there are books out about the Bible codes and I think most of it is in the Old
Testament but it is pretty awesome the way they point out certain things. At first I was really impressed and then I
thought, well, the creatures that sat and penned all this had a reason for what they were doing, but I know that people
who have read these books on the Bible codes and then you go back into the Old Testament and go figuring out the
difference verse and say, oh my goodness, but it is their own secret little code. I think a lot of people buy into it and say,
well, this has to be the work of God.
Alan: I know. Those people you have to just leave to their comfort because that’s their comforter. That’s all they have.
Jackie: I guess I can relate because I have been taken in in many ways throughout my life. There were certain things
like I said when I was 15 years old and started reading the Old Testament I said, no, this is not so. This is not God and
then of course what is that word God is the word they gave us, but I’ve been taken in and it takes somebody saying
something sometimes, Alan. I had a friend in Illinois and we got into a discussion about the Bible and he was very much
into the every jot and tittle is the word of God, and I asked him how he explains all of the contradictions et cetera and
doesn’t he believe that it has been tampered with by man. It was written by man and he said, no, God would never allow
it. But there are some people who will suddenly stop and say, wait a minute, this makes sense to me what you’re saying.
Alan: What it is though is that person is ready for it.
Jackie: Yes and maybe that’s why we do these broadcasts for those who have an eye to see and an ear to hear.
Alan: It’s a fact that the exoteric or cultural religions and that’s what I see around me. You’re born into a cultural
religion where there’s formulas and baptisms and rituals and that’s you. You’re a Christian and you parrot this and you
parrot that, but you don’t think, of course, and if you do think you become a danger to the congregation because you’re
not supposed to be a thinker. Of course we’re meant to think – seek ye the truth. Meanwhile they walk into a church and
it’s like picking a ready-made suit. It’s all there. It’s for you. They have the pants there, just the right size, so is the jacket.
Wear this and you’re one of us. That’s your ready-made religion, so where’s the seeking for the truth in there? The truth
has to be truly sought and you start with yourself, and of course that’s always the first step. Long before Jesus, in the
original religions the first death was dying to the world and it’s also dying to the old self and you could only die to the
old self by examining yourself and then the changes began within the person. This was always known of course, but
now it’s just a formula where you repeat after me and that’s it.
Jackie: A friend of mine after Steve Jacobsen was on in 1998, it had to have been sometime in the summer because we
were on at 6:00 p.m. We were talking about mind control and I said well given that we’re pretty clear the government
isn’t going to set up deprogramming centers, what do you have to offer our listeners? He said, well, unfortunately most
people believe that we are human beings when in fact we are spiritual beings inhabiting or emanating a physical body
and he said in order to escape – not escape but not submit to the mind control and the brainwashing, then we have to
begin to go within because that is where the answers are. The truth is within us and he said meditate and I knew the
minute he said the word at that time that I was going to hear some flack and a friend called and said I just love Steve
Jacobsen but he’s gone New Age on us.
He mentioned the word meditation. I got in Strong’s Concordance and found the word meditation about 18 or 19 times.
But what she said is we don’t want to go delving into ourselves because we are so evil and yucky that it would dredge up
all that terrible stuff and when you talk about examining ourselves I’ve been doing this for a long time and there are
times when we see. I have an attitude that needs to be changed or questioned. Why am I feeling this way right now?
Why am I feeling angry or what is this feeling I’m feeling because it isn’t peaceful and so therefore we get a chance to
really take a look at where we’re at. What is pulling our strings, so to speak, and I think the most important thing for us
to know for our listeners for all of us is that who we truly are is a perfect creation of our creator and all of that yucky
stuff that she said we wouldn’t want to get into is exactly what we have to get into if we know in our hearts that who we
truly are, what we truly are is a spiritual being in the image, if you would, or one with our creator.
Alan: The symbol of Jesus symbolizes the pure spiritual nature and of course Judaism represents the pure earthly
physical nature.
Jackie: Material?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: I wonder if people notice this, Alan, that in the Old Testament Jehovah promises his chosen people all who do
his commandments.
Alan: Yes. It’s like a mafia boss that says follow me and I’ll take care of you.
Jackie: Yes, but it’s all material rewards.
Alan: That’s right. You’ll prosper and live off the fat of the land and so Judaism is law and material. It’s the rules of the
physical life for the purely physical life and the spiritual side doesn’t come into it, at least not the Christian one anyway
or the Jesus one, put it that way. However, going back to what we said earlier about the British, Dee claimed at the time
when the Romans came into Britain there was one little tribe called Britanni and that’s why he used the name Brit, but
really the way he spelled it in his initial writings was in Hebrew so it was definitely pointing at the people. When
Reverend Pike comes on your show you should ask him because I think he knows that it’s the B’nai B’rith, which is the
Sons of the Covenant, that are putting these laws in front of the Congress and all the other parliaments and they’re being
signed into law. B’nai B’rith is the Jewish wing of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. I don’t think he mentions that.
Jackie: I’m writing.
Alan: A Masonic group is writing laws for governments, you see.
Jackie: You know what? You’re right. He does know that.
Alan: He does, okay.
Jackie: Well, he does know that it is the B’nai B’rith behind all this.
Alan: They are the Jewish wing of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.
Jackie: Wow. Jewish wing of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.
Alan: That’s right. Don’t forget that Albert Pike who was the head of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in his own book
“Morals and Dogma” said, “make no mistake. Masonry is a religion.” Why is a religious body making laws for
everyone else? That’s never been asked or challenged.
Jackie: It’s like what’s his name, Moses Mendelssohn. Was that his name, Moses Mendelssohn?That Judaism is not a
religion, it is a law religionized. Isn’t that what you were just saying?
Alan: Albert Pike also said, make no doubt about it that “Lucifer is God.”
Jackie: He said that in “Morals and Dogma”?
Alan: “Morals and Dogma,” yes.
Jackie: Well, he is the lord of this world.
Alan: Lord of the world, absolutely, that’s Jehovah. That’s the big secret that been hidden from everyone for so long. In
the beginning they were gods, Elohim, which was plural, and eventually this little earthly god, the volcano god, took
over.
Jackie: The volcano god? Is that Jehovah?
Alan: That’s Jehovah, yes.
Jackie: Actually, wasn’t that like a phantom that the priesthood made up for people to worship?
Alan: Basically the volcano symbolized again a pyramid with the top blowing, which is the fire, the fire in the middle,
and that’s the symbol again of the logic. That’s why Mr. Spock in Star Trek was a Vulcan. He ran on law and logic, you
see. It’s all symbolic and if you look at the little badges they get and cards for their induction, the boys in Judaism, when
they’re 12 or 13–
Jackie: When they get Bar Mitzvah?
Alan: Yes. You’ll see right there that that’s a symbol of a volcano blowing smoke and that’s the symbol of – again, it’s
not real, a real people doing a real thing, it’s a priesthood, not a big priesthood either, who’s manipulated all the religions
down through the ages and it’s all symbolic and allegorical of this priesthood. The volcano is the smoke by day and the
fire by night.
Jackie: You mean it’s talked about in the Bible? In the Old Testament?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Smoke by day and fire by night.
Alan: Yes, and that’s all symbolic and allegorical of an ancient, ancient priesthood that’s many, many thousands of
years old.
Jackie: Older than the Pharisees?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Like in the Protocols they say that the plan that they have been working towards for the past, I think they say
either 20 or 25 centuries, is about to come in to fruition, but actually it is older than that?
Alan: It’s older and apparently it’s been tried before in different ages.
Jackie: Tried before and not accomplished?
Alan: It gets to a certain point and then it gets demolished.
Jackie: I like that a lot. They’ve never made it yet and here we are, still on the radio and still able to talk about it, Alan.
Thank you for being with us tonight. Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back with you tomorrow night. Thank you for
being here and keep an open mind and ask, seek and knock. That’s what Jesus tells us to do. Seek ye the truth and you
will know the truth and it will make you free.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
December 29, 2004
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. This is Wednesday. It is
the 29th of December in the year 2004 and I want to remind you that this is the last broadcast night for us of the week.
I want to share our spiritual message and then we’ll get on with this Wednesday night broadcast. This is prayer for the
power of Holy Spirit.
“Come Holy Spirit and renew me so that I can reach my fullest potential. Fill me to overflowing with your gift,
your power, your love. I open myself to receive all the Father has for me. He is the Creator of everything and I am his
child. Therefore far more is available to me than I ever imagined. Help me to receive it all. Teach me how to use your
gift. Instruct me in all truths. Fill my mind with your thoughts and help me to recognize your voice. Make me an
instrument of the Father’s will.”
And I liked that. It’s a wonderful reminder. And tonight we have a guest and I know that most of you, maybe all of you
will be delighted to hear that Alan Watt is back with us again this evening. By the way, in case I forget, we won’t be
seeing you again back until after the New Year, so let me wish you all a blessed and peaceful and abundant New Year
and now we’ll bring Alan up. Hello, Alan, and thanks for being with us.
Alan: Yes, it’s nice to be here. I keep forgetting about the New Year.
Jackie: Well, I thought about it tonight while I was getting dinner and I thought by the time we get back it will be after
the incoming New Year, something I was going to mention to our listeners, Alan.
Alan: This is the new Soviet system. It’s here. This is all in your face now and it actually does come under this new
definition of “democracy.” I’ve heard some of the talking heads in Canada from universities redefine democracy and
what they say is that it’s the will of the people but the government will stand up for the rights of all minorities without
distinction. You can imagine the kind of chaos that’s being brought on if they’re going to promote all kinds of – but the
thing is, they’re very selective it seems on which ones they will accept and which ones they won’t.
Jackie: As to what is a minority in the states, I know that there are certain states that the “minorities” far out number –
what would I say, the majority, white basically, is what it is, because the minorities are of different races and I believe
probably now that in the United States probably the minority has become the majority.
Alan: Well, you’ve got to become a new minority somehow and somehow get yourself registered as such to get any
rights at all, because that’s literally what it’s come down to. In the new system which is global and international and a
mish-mash of everything, then obviously they made this agenda long, long ago knowing exactly how they were going to
do it and implement it and the white people aren’t going to stand in their way. That’s very obvious. The white man is a
good worker bee, I think he was basically created for this and what I see now is that it’s the white man – it’s generally
the poor white man too, and they’re using a lot of the poor blacks over in the Middle East to finish off the job.
Jackie: The pathetic thing is that there are so many minions, so many useful idiots that helped to promulgate the plan
and just shove it ahead full steam. We were talking about this tonight. I was talking with a friend about the land taxes
and it doesn’t matter if your home would be mortgage free or not. If you cannot pay your taxes you’re losing it and in
Pennsylvania here and I don’t know if it’s county by county or what, or township by township, but there is this thing
called an occupational tax. Now there was a lady in Scranton. She was a retired woman and she got the bill for the
occupational tax and she didn’t pay it and they dunned her again and then threatened that she was going to get – so she
called them and she said I don’t qualify here, I don’t have an occupation, I am a retired person; and the lady says this has
nothing to do with your work. You are occupying space. This is true what I am telling you and it’s sounds insane but
look at all the townships or counties, whatever, that pass these school districts, that pass these absolutely ungodly insane
taxes.
Alan: That was also the Communist Manifesto, wasn’t it?
Jackie: Yes. It’s also in the Protocols by the way.
Alan: Steadily increasing taxes leading eventually to the abolition of private property and of course that’s well on it’s
way and you can see that when you look into the United Nations habitat areas of the very, very near future where
everybody is supposed to live. They’re going to tax people out of their homes especially in the rural areas and we’re all
supposed to live very happily for a while in these little habitat communities, which they admit they’ll all be rental units.
There will be no private property there and no private transportation either. That’s in the habitat report from the UN, so
this is the future and because most people don’t understand what really is going on, they fall for all the excuses that are
given at the time. “We simply have to do this because of et cetera, et cetera,” but the fact is it was planned a long time
ago and they’re actually implementing it. I really believe that once the U.S. has brought this great new democracy to the
rest of the world, the standardization of the system, then it will be time to pull the plug on the U.S.
Jackie: You said that a long time ago and when you said it I didn’t even have a doubt that what you said was so, and it
follows. I mean we can see it happening, Alan. You said that it was brought in. Exactly what you said was right and you
remember when I got really ticked off at you about the Constitution? Sometimes you’ve rattled my cage, Alan.
Alan: Well, it’s a process, isn’t it? Understanding is a process. It’s a process of shedding off that which we’ve been
indoctrinated with in order to see clearly, and until we do shed off the indoctrination we’ll never see clearly and
therefore a new hood can be pulled over our eyes very easily and we’re hoodwinked again.
Jackie: The hoodwink. That has to do with the hood that goes on the Freemasons? Isn’t that where that came from?
Alan: Yes. It’s the candidate’s head.
Jackie: Hoodwinked.
Alan: Hoodwinked. They do this all the time. The people are being shepherded into the whole new system with the
environment and the crisis and all the rest of it and they will go along with it. The ones who are in school right now at
the present time truly believe everything that they’ve been indoctrinated with to do with saving the planet and they will
be the inhabitants of these habitat areas.
Jackie: And be very proud and very pleased that they aren’t ruining the rest of the world for the animals.
Alan: Yes and they’ll also be the enforcers for those old people who live in the old ways et cetera who won’t go along
with it. They’ll drag them off thinking they’re doing the world a favor. This is why they could write Revelations a long
time ago, spell out the agenda in Revelations, and say that the children would turn against their parents and the reason
they could write that is because it had been done before.
Jackie: What is Revelations supposed to be, the revelations of John?
Alan: It’s supposed to be, but you have to go into the whole esoteric meaning of what John is. The full name is Jonathan
and John is EON, which is fire basically. The old mystery religion had its headquarters in Ionia at one time and that
became the J when it was Latinized so you had John and so it was fire and they had the symbol of the fire worship
outside their temples, and then you have Athan, which is John Athan, which is ATON, the sun. John Aton, the fire of
the sun. That’s what it means. It’s the fire of the sun that gives you the revelations.
Jackie: Is there any name that doesn’t have some type of esoteric meaning?
Alan: All of those in the Bible do, because the mystery religion had been centered there at that time a few thousand
years ago for quite a long, long time. Although it had other centers across different parts of the world, that was one of
the main centers of it.
Jackie: What does Timothy mean?
Alan: I forget what Timothy was and I did know it too, but I could look that one up for you. They all had specific
meanings and some of them they explain, where they give Simon a new name and he’s called Peter.
Jackie: Simon Peter.
Alan: They’re giving you clues there and of course Peter is Pater or Petra, which is the rock. It’s on the rock et cetera
and all this stuff, so they’re giving you the same symbology of the old mystery religion in the names of the people.
Another one is Son of Thunder, Zebedee,and of course old Yahweh used to be called the Thunder God because the
volcano made all the bangs – in fact there are Psalms there that he roared in his clear strong voice like thunder, so he
was a volcano god. They give you all the clues in the names.
Jackie: The thunder god, wasn’t it Thor?
Alan: In the Norse religion it was Thor.
Jackie: Would that be the same as Jehovah?
Alan: Actually, it’s very similar to the Egyptian because in the battle of the son of Osiris, who was called Horus – where
we get “hours” from and “horizon.”
Jackie: Horus rising, the horizon?
Alan: That’s right. He lost an eye in the battle with Seth, which is night, Satan, and he becomes the sun, Ra. He
becomes Ra. You have the eye of Ra and of course you find the same thing with the Nordic version of Thor who lost an
eye to gain wisdom by hanging on a tree. He hung on a tree for days and days to gain wisdom and birds were pecking
out his eye so he was left with one eye; and hence the term comes in Masonry, in the land of the blind (which is the
profane, the masses, the general public), “in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.” It’s a very esoteric thing.
Jackie: Okay. Here’s something that maybe you could explain because I have made this statement that there is no place
that I have read in the New Testament where Jesus said I’ve come to establish a new religion. He said I came to,
according to what the bible says, that I came into this world to bear witness unto the truth. What Christians rely on is the
fact that in the Bible he is quoted as saying about Peter, upon this rock I will build my church – and then of course the
Catholic Church says that Peter was the first Pope and so the Catholic religion was the first and the only established by
Christ religion. Will you shed some light on that, Alan?
Alan: He said that in response to a reply that Peter had given when Peter had said that he was the messiah. He was
declaring that Jesus was the messiah and that’s when he replied to him, “on this rock,” this truth, that’s what it means
there in that sense, “I will build my church.”
Jackie: And what does church mean? I will build my church? This is what to me has caused – I don’t understand what it
means but I don’t believe that there was anything in his teachings that would implicate that you have to build churches
and temples.
Alan: There was nothing about – in fact, most of his teachings were done outside.
Jackie: Well, according to the Bible. Do you think that these were words used to cause this confusion?
Alan: There’s no doubt that things were added. For instance, in one of the gospels it’s so out of character of what you’re
reading already when he tells you don’t make a fuss about praying to your father. Don’t do what the Pharisees do and
make long prayers in public. He says go into your closet or your room and pray to your father, and then later on you find
him telling his disciples what you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven and you shall have the power to forgive sins.
That obviously was added in by the Catholic Church. People used to give offerings to the temple gods, especially Jupiter
in Rome prior to Christianity, and they did confess their sins and they had their burnt offerings; and of course to
maintain power, priests had to have something where the people would have – in other words, if the people could pray
directly to their god, why would they need the priests? They had to add that in that the only way to salvation was to go
and confess to the priests basically.
Jackie: Then the priests had the power to forgive the sin and that comes from that part of the Bible where he allegedly
said that to his disciple?
Alan: It’s completely contradictory you see to other parts of the Bible and out of nature with what he’d already supposed
to have said. It’s amazing how much of external or manmade theology has been tacked on to it. Of course in the esoteric
religions they understand that, that the bulk of people they really want a god that they can identify with as a person with
their own “frailties,” you might say, and so for ages past they always gave the people gods which were very human in
form in that they would be jealous. They could be very vengeful and idolatrous. All this kind of stuff and the bulk of the
people love these festivals to these particular deities and so when Jesus came along they had to once again sort of
humanize them to an extent in some passages so that the people could identify with them. They’re talking about the
general population because they need “form,” as they say, so they formalized religion and formalizing religion is always
done for the bulk of the people.
Jackie: What would you have to say to people – my concern has been when the lies begin to be exposed, the truth
revealed, in fact I had written about this in the book and it is when it came to my mind that I see to me that Christianity
was created to be destroyed. That eventually the lies would be revealed or exposed and then people would be throwing
the baby out with the bath water. And for people who have clung to all that, every jot and tittle is the word of God, even
though there’s so many contradictions that they cannot explain themselves but they seem to pass that off by saying I
don’t have an understanding yet about that contradiction, but not to look at it and say this isn’t – our Creator doesn’t
contradict itself, but then when it finally hits them that they literally begin to see the lies there is the sadness. I know
because I’ve been through that, Alan, as you know, but the tendency to say okay then what do we do? It’s all a lie. What
do we have left and the only thing I could think to say is it’s the truth. We have the truth.
Alan: Here’s another little sort of paradox to all of that. In cultural Christianity and all truths in all ages is out there for
the ones that want to find it, always, for the ones who sincerely want to find it. It’s there somehow. There’s always a
thread they can follow, but for the bulk of the people, it is true, they’re in the material world. They want a material
religion. If they’re given truth they will debase it back into a materialistic religion and you see the prosperity of those
being preached today by the Bennie Hinn’s and these guys who tell you, “send me gold. I want gold. I want it now in
this world,” and I’ve seen a tape with him actually saying that. Sure, they will always debase it because they miss the
whole point of the spiritual side that Jesus portrays. It’s the spiritual search of man to find the Christ within and that’s
what the whole message was when he tells you “if the Father is in me and then I am in you,” I am in you. The Christ is
in you. It’s not a matter of going to a church in cultural Christianity going through a ritual or a formula like a
mathematical formula, 2 and 2 is 4, and you say this and you say that then you’re a Christian. That’s again for the masses
of people because the spiritual path is an individual journey and only the individual can make that journey. You can’t do
it in a crowd.
Jackie: And priests can’t give it to you.
Alan: Yes, and once you’re on that journey then you know that you’re getting closer to that which you would call your
Creator because your mind completely alters. The way you view everything suddenly alters and you know you’re now
on a journey and you know that something is in communication by the very way that you now see the whole world and
it’s a flow of energy that comes. It was always intended to be that way.
Jackie: It seems too that as we’re on that journey and getting further into it that the intuition seems to be so heightened.
Alan: Intuition and other senses definitely heighten. You become alive and that’s what he said too, I come to give life
and more abundantly. He wasn’t talking about prosperity.
Jackie: I’d like you to continue this right after this break and thank you. We’re back again with Alan Watt. Before the
break I mentioned the fact that our intuition seems to be so much stronger and Alan, you were talking about that, and
would you please continue?
Alan: There’s no doubt that children are born with a heightened sense of awareness and actual telepathy and the closer
the friends that they have the more they show this because they’ll start whistling a tune at the same time or they’ll start
singing the lines of a song at the same time and then they turn and laugh at each other because it’s so common with
them. That type of thing is knocked out of us as soon as we go to school because we’re trained then just to be good
producers, consumers and taxpayers.
Jackie: And caretakers of the earth.
Alan: That’s right and that’s the definition of a good United Nation citizen, is a good producer-consumer. That’s how we
are trained. We are collateral. There’s no doubt that’s how we’re viewed by those who run the material world and so
those abilities we have become dormant and it’s like muscles that aren’t used, they can atrophy to an extent, but when a
person is on the right path they know it. There’s nothing you can question or imagine about it. You know you’re on the
right path because your entire perception of things changes. You have sudden insights that you never had before and
you can see for the first time. The blind see. That’s what it really means in the allegories and so this can happen to
people who are ready to leave the formalized – the formation – the Mason’s form things for the masses, so they give you
formalized religion, which is also authorized religion, and they don’t like to tell people they don’t need to go along with
the masses. They can find the real truth themselves because that is what you’re finding out is truth. It’s a path of truth.
Jackie: You know when Kelly Nelson, this is back in ’98 sometime when I believe I was on at 6:00 p.m. before you
started coming on with us. We did about 10 weeks or 10 broadcasts on the controlled opposition of specifically Council
for National Policies and the so-called conservative/Christian conservative leaders in this country and Kelly, that is her
forte and she was naming names that she was giving so much information about the these individuals that it just left no
doubt in people’s minds. The thing I marveled at because Kelly Nelson told me one time you won’t make a lot of friends,
people don’t want the truth. Anyway, I would get calls from people and each one that called had one of their own
favorite heroes. It could have been Phyllis Schlafly. It could have been D.J. Kennedy, any one of them, but then they
would say you know what? I had a feeling something was wrong and in other words they were not angry and they were
realizing that all the time they had been almost worshiping these people that there was that little niggling voice and I
told them I said, well, then you did know you see and all you have to learn to do is listen to that. Don’t ignore it; and it
happened over and over again, Alan.
Alan: The bulk of the people want a deity on this planet that they can worship, something on two legs that they can see
and touch and that’s the problem. It’s always been the problem and that’s why if you tune into something like Oprah
Winfrey or the Dr. Phil that’s part of her organization, that’s Harpo Productions which is Oprah backwards, HARPO
from Harpocrates for secrecy from the ancient mysteries.
Jackie: From who?
Alan: Harpocrates in the Greek.
Jackie: Not Hippocrates?
Alan: No. Harpocrates. Harpo was the short term for it, so it’s Harpo Productions.
Jackie: And like Harpo Marx?
Alan: That’s right and he was the one who kept his mouth shut because he was dumb and that was the sign of secrecy.
The ancient symbol of Harpo in Egypt when the Greeks ruled Egypt was the little boy with a finger over his mouth
going “shhh!” That’s where it comes from. Anyway, when you see Oprah coming out on stage and you see mainly
women in the audience just going wild over, her you’re seeing people actually worship another human being. That isn’t
applause. That’s literally worship. She represents everything that those people in the audience would like to aspire to be.
Jackie: In other words, it’s her fame and her success financially on that?
Alan: Everything. Yet she represents everything they want to be and that’s why at the right time people will worship
someone who claims to be a deity on earth. They want that. The bulk of people truly want that and the old saying they
get what they ask for and they’ll find that eventually it’s not what they really wanted after all, but then it will be too late
for them.
Jackie: I don’t know if we got off course. I know I have a tendency to do that to our conversations. I don’t intend to do
it. Getting back, if we may, for example people who begin to see it and begin to see the lies and they feel so
disillusioned – well, I had a call from really a nice man today and he had tuned in late and wanted your address. He
wanted to know if I thought that he should have the books and I said yes, and then he said are you saying that the Bible
is a lie. I said that’s a generality and if I said that it was a lie that would be a lie because there is truth in it. But this is
what people will have a tendency to do is say okay throw it all out and I think that it was planned that way, Alan, so that
they would throw the truth – throwing the baby out with the bath water and then what? Then they have not, from their
churches and from their religion, they have not been helped to understand as you said earlier the simple truths that we
were given that were attributed to Jesus. I and my Father are one. People take that to say he said it. He said he was God.
No. He said, “I and my Father are one. He is in me as I am in you,” and therefore there is not that realization that I am a
beloved child of Creator and one with and I don’t have to jump through hoops. I don’t have to be praying to a saint or to
the mother of Jesus to get to Creator and at least people with the feeling of nothingness, that has been my concern.
Alan: As I say, this is the problem. The bulk of the people in all ages want formalized religion.
Jackie: Maybe they don’t want it. That’s what they were born into.
Alan: You will find that even if you could somehow have a miracle and have the airwaves for a month for the whole
world–
Jackie: Oh, wouldn’t that be something.
Alan: I’ll tell you, no matter how much truth you could put out there and then leave the people with a decision, after
you’ve explained what’s happened to the world—it was planned this way, who is doing it, where it’s to go, et cetera, and
with all their worries and their stress and their credit cards and all this stuff—you know the bulk of the people would
demand you bring the same system in right away.
Jackie: Well, yes. However, you said a long time ago we were talking and I know everything you say isn’t necessarily
so but it sure rang true to me. You had made the statement that their greatest fear is that enough people will wake up to
the realization of the power that is within us because the Kingdom of God is within us and once enough people, and I
asked you how many do you think it would take, and you said not very many because there aren’t very many of them.
Alan: That’s right. There’s not very many of them.
Jackie: That makes sense to me, so therefore the more people who awaken the stronger the light becomes in this world.
Alan: It’s the old story. This is the darkness because of the lies and the deceit that goes on and we are talked to like
children by the media. They’re talking to us as though we’re children and giving us little fairy stories instead of truth all
the time, rather than tell us what really is going on and what the agendas are. Now some people like that. Some people
will like socialism and they do like socialism. They like to believe that there’s lots of different daddies out there who
specialize in different departments that one day they might need and so there are a lot of people who will truly love their
slavery.
Jackie: I’m not denying that. What I’m saying though is that there are people who would hear it and do have an ear to
hear and an eye to see and boy, wouldn’t that be something?
Alan: Yes and of course and, as I say, any truth given out in the darkness and it’s getting darker at the moment. It gets
dark for a while as all the laws come forward to silence people.
Jackie: Man’s laws?
Alan: Yes and that’s of course what happened in the Soviet system as well and it was tried and tested there and they’re
doing it all here the same way and eventually they’ll be teaching you that the sky is naturally orange and that will be
politically correct and we’ll all say the same thing.
Jackie: And people will forget that the sky used to be blue.
Alan: Yes. It’s the king has no clothes and the crowd will go along and say, oh, yes, I can see them; and that’s what
political correctness is. It’s lying to yourself, ultimately, to fit in and so those who are seeking a spiritual path regardless
of what happens and regardless of what the crowd does can’t go along with it. Of course, people who belong to the
crowd or the mob will always look around for someone else to make the first move and then they’ll follow; but for those
who are awake you don’t do that. You have to stand up for yourself. That’s of prime importance. Don’t wait for someone
else to step forward and say I’m not going along with this. You go ahead and say I’m not going along with it.
Jackie: Yes, the Emperor has no clothes.
Alan: Yes and of course that’s the difference between the individual who’s on a spiritual path and person who belongs
to the mob, whether it be a church group or not, because church groups are basically part of the mob. It’s a formalized
religion and they act like a school of fish. They all move at the same time when the pastor makes the move.
Jackie: Or the lemmings, over the cliff with all of them.
Alan: It’s never been any different in any age and there’s been many ages prior to this one, where we get to a certain
stage of balance where those of the material try to take over the entire planet and dominate it. It’s always a battle
between those who are on a spiritual path versus the material and it doesn’t mean that everybody on the path gets saved
by any means because people are making their choices and that means everybody is making their choices.
Jackie: Each of us every moment of every day.
Alan: If they were to get their way, the people have allowed it to happen. Individually they have allowed it to happen
and that’s something to really ponder on before it happens and then make the decision before it happens because they’re
bringing about a living hell here on earth; and if their idea is “as above so below,” then their heaven is also a hell if
they’re trying to emulate that. You have to ask who their father truly is.
Jackie: Well, Jesus said of the Pharisees, “you are of your father the devil.”
Alan: The Pharisees were a sect.
Jackie: They were the priests of Jehovah. Wouldn’t that be whom Jesus was referring to?
Alan: It’s obvious.
Jackie: To me it was obvious.
Alan: It was very obvious. People don’t realize that the Pharisees, who ruled over ordinary Jews, the Pharisees
themselves were a separate esoteric sect. They had their own inner religion that came from Babylon. They’re being used,
but there used to be a lot more information on this, like the B’nai B’rith. Everyone thinks that the B’nai B’rith is an
organization that stands up for supposedly downtrodden peoples’ rights, but the B’nai B’rith is registered as a Masonic
organization and all their building are still called lodges yet, if you want to check them up. If you want to go into the
Congressional Records, you can find I think it was General Grant during the Civil War issued an order that all Jews in
the army were suspected of being members of the Knights of the Golden Circle, which was a spin-off of the B’nai B’rith,
and that was all mentioned in the Congressional Records at the time and it was Lincoln that rescinded that order.
However, they were actually fomenting dissention on both sides, south and north, and these were not Kazarian Jews.
These were Sephardic Jews that formed the B’nai B’rith. Most of them came from London and they were merchant
families.
Jackie: What is the definition of a Sephardic Jew? Would it be Semitic?
Alan: Sephardic were the ones who lived mainly in Spain.
Jackie: It wouldn’t necessarily mean that they’re Semites?
Alan: Again, even that’s a whole other story, but supposedly the story is they moved into Spain after the Roman wars
basically when Rome vanquished them and in fact they became the nobility of Spain for a few centuries and they ruled
the trading routes and they were very, very wealthy and they ran – that again is in the Congressional Records, they ran
most of the slave ships to the U.S. and they ran the slave trade.
Jackie: You know that was a good plan too when you think about it. It was far beyond just a wonderful money-making
scheme, but to bring so many Africans into America, I mean in the south I understand that the slave population was
almost equal to the white population, so when they were all freed there we had the division again.
Alan: They always create a division or a Northern Ireland or a Quebec in Canada. Somewhere they can stir up trouble
when they want it. That’s traditional.
Jackie: It occurs to me that the ultimate plan of slavery was to do exactly what is happening today.
Alan: There is an authorized book by the B’nai B’rith about their history, even though they put spins on it, because at
one time there was a lot of information on them and what they’d been up to and so they put a book out to try and cover
up what they’d really been doing but they still admitted to it. The book was written by Esther L. Panitz was the author
and it was authorized by B’nai B’rith and that was published in 1987, I think, and it’s worth a read because it goes into
the fact that it is a Masonic organization. It’s separate from Judaism as such and it has a different religion from Judaism.
It’s basically the Illuminati sect and it’s also chartered under the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. They have a Masonic
charter, so here’s the B’nai B’rith writing the hate laws.
Jackie: What is the name of this book again?
Alan: It’s called “The B’nai B’rith” by Esther L. Panitz.
Jackie: That would probably be available then at any bookstore.
Alan: I don’t know. It was published in 1987.
Jackie: 1987 isn’t all that long ago.
Alan: The B’nai B’rith was actually again in the Congressional Records; they were implicated and brought up in the
death of Lincoln.
Jackie: And what is the author again?
Alan: I think it was Esther L. Panitz.
Jackie: Panitz? Like paying penance?
Alan: I’m pretty sure that is. It’s been a long time since I read it, but the head of the organization, the Grand Master at
that time of the B’nai B’rith, was Simon Wolf, who originally was a lawyer and his name came up and the B’nai B’rith
because he was so friendly with Booth that shot Lincoln. There were photographs taken of Booth with the Knights of
the Golden Circle at the B’nai B’rith Lodge, the Masonic Lodge.
Jackie: It has been written and said that Booth was a relation of the Rothschild’s.
Alan: It’s possible. I do know that Booth’s father was a Shakespearian actor and when he died the Catholics came to the
funeral. They thought he was a Catholic, that he attended the Catholic Church. One of the Methodist ministers came, he
thought he was a Methodist, and a rabbi came because Booth used to get up and read in Hebrew in the temple, in the
synagogue. However, one thing they all agree on, he was given a Masonic burial.
Jackie: They’ve been behind everything. I never thought of this, but they obviously were the fomenters of the American
Revolution.
Alan: You’ll find that again in that authorized book about the B’nai B’rith by the B’nai B’rith.
Jackie: Well in the book that I quoted heavily from in that section is a book I have here from 1944 I think by some guy,
a Jew. It was titled Israel in America or America in Israel and I think it was in there referring to the Revolutionary War
and it named the name of a wealthy Jew that basically they said without him the war could never have been fought.
Alan: There was Judah P. Benjamin in the south. They had ones in the north and the south.
Jackie: It wasn’t Judah Benjamin, but wasn’t he named Davis’ treasury secretary or something?
Alan: Benjamin was in the south and he was up in their congress or a senator even, and then after the war he went over
to England and was knighted for his part in fomenting the revolution. He was knighted and I think it was his daughter
married a relative of Israel Levin.
Jackie: We were led to believe that the Revolutionary War was fought to win our independence from Great Britain and
we have grown up believing that. These are the types of things that when it hits you that it was such a lie that I think it’s
what begins to occur to people, everything that we ever thought we knew was a lie and maybe when I said to you that
time everything I look at looks like not real. It’s like I’m living in another world someplace and you said it’s a good place
to begin.
Alan: You have to start to freefall, be willing to freefall.
Jackie: Well, you’re a good catalyst for freefalling, Alan.
Alan: I can do a bit of that too. However, the B’nai B’rith was founded I think it was in the 1840’s, 1862 was the official
founding in Washington, D.C., and in fact I believe Simon Wolf who was the head at the time was arrested right after
Lincoln was shot because they said he was implicated in the plot, so the B’nai B’rith were definitely mentioned in the
Congressional Records.
Jackie: When you read the history after the war in the south, basically it appears to me that Abraham Lincoln was not
an evil bad man. He was probably misadvised and probably led around by the nose, like all the presidents, but he kept
insisting that after the war it had to be all forgotten and let us start over again and they were bound and damn
determined that they were going to take over the south. They were going to bring a military force in and continue the
destruction and of course we’ve got the 14th Amendment out of it. It occurs to me, besides the fact that he had given an
Executive Order to issue the greenbacks, that they did not like it at all that they were going to compete with their
banknotes.
Alan: It’s so complex when you get into it all the machinations that were going on at the time and when you find the
B’nai B’rith which definitely is a Masonic order and even today they still call their big skyscrapers lodges. They’re
registered lodges and here they are making laws for the general public.
Jackie: You know what? A topic for another broadcast, George W. Bush, royalty. Also it appears part of that Jewish
bloodline, so when I look at that and John Kerry the same thing.
Alan: I think Burke’s Peerage came out with that.
Jackie: He had more royal blood than any president before him and he’s Jewish, so they we are with that “loyalty” and
that special bloodline. Folks, we’re out of time. This will be a discussion that we will pick up in another broadcast.
Thank you, Alan.
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Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
September 1, 2004
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Wednesday and it
is the 1st of September in the year 2004 and Alan Watt is back again with us again tonight. Alan, thank you for being
here.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: I want to do our spiritual message here before we get started. This is from Matthew 5 and it begins with verse
14, and this is in the red, folks. These are the words that attributed to Jesus. He said, “Ye are the light of the world. A
city that is set on a hill cannot be hid and neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel but on a candlestick and
it gives light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and
glorify your father which is in heaven.”
I think Paul said that the only way you get to heaven is by grace not works, right, Alan?
Alan: Yes, there was a dispute about it I think. Actually, James really took over from Jesus, the brother supposedly of
Jesus, and he was promoting good works.
Jackie: Where would you like to go tonight? There is something I would like to share. Remember last night when you
were talking about genetically engineering the worker bees to be good workers? I’ve got something that’s not real long.
Hold on a sec. It’s amazing, Alan, because every time you start talking about this stuff our listeners start finding
information.
This was actually from BBC News, August 12. “Monkeys Test Hard Working Gene. Scientists in the United States have
found a way of turning lazy monkeys into workaholics using gene therapy. Usually monkeys work hard only when they
know a reward is coming, but the animals given this treatment did their best all the time. Monkeys are rather like people
in their approach to work – at least, those who live in a laboratory and learn to press levers for rewards of food and
water. They concentrate on their task only when the moment of delivery approaches.
Listen to this. “Monkeys under the influence of the treatment don’t procrastinate. Dr. Barry Richmond U.S. National
Institute of Mental Health. It says: “Researchers at the National Institute of Mental Health near Washington DC, led by
Dr Barry Richmond, have now developed a genetic treatment which changes their work ethic markedly (and this is a
quote by Dr. Richmond). He says, “Normal monkeys and people procrastinate – tend not to work very well when they
have a lot of time to get the job done, and work better when the reward is nearer in time. The monkeys under the
influence of the treatment don’t procrastinate he said. The treatment consists of blocking an important brain chemical –
dopamine. After about 10 weeks it had worn off, and the monkeys were back to their usual unmotivated selves. Dr
Richmond believes treatments based on this concept could one day benefit people with conditions like depression,
where motivation has largely disappeared from their lives. But for the rest of us, the day when such treatments fall into
the hands of our bosses may be one we would prefer to put off.” That was from the BBC News, August 12th. Eric sent
this over, Alan.
It’s exactly what you were talking about.
Alan: They’ve been doing this for a long time and conditioning us to the acceptance of it.
Jackie: It’s confirmation and you say some things that are so far out that sometimes people just sit there with their
mouths open. In fact a listener called today and he’s been really appreciating the broadcast, but he said he sits there half
the time with his mouth hanging open in awe or in shock and that’s why I wanted to share this because it is blatant, just
exactly what you were talking about.
Alan: Aldous Huxley gave lectures on stimulating the brain by mechanical and electrical means and also by the use of
drugs back in the 1960’s. He worked for the Tavistock Institute in London and most of his work was not involved in
fictional writing. We know “Brave New World” was one of his, but most of his work was actually promoting these so
called benefits of science and he thought it was fantastic that they could change the behavior of people by putting wires
into their brains and having other people control them. He thought this was just great and he gave a lecture at Berkeley
University in about 1967 on that very subject, so they’ve been doing this for an awful long time.
Jackie: This said it was gene research and it is from the National Institute of Mental Health. You know that is creepy.
Alan: Someone should really define “mental health,” because who is defining it for us? We never think about that. It’s
the same with that little topic about dopamine you mentioned there. Is our primary function here to serve the system as
workers? These questions are never asked; or is the spare time that a person has perhaps necessary for your real mental
health? And if you’re being deprived of that to make you work more and more efficiently, a system will definitely
benefit but I don’t think you personally will. You understand?
Jackie: You don’t think we personally will?
Alan: I very much doubt it.
Jackie: You very much know that we won’t.
Alan: All these institutions have an agenda. They all get their agenda from the apex of the pyramid and they define
what’s normal and what our functions as human beings are supposed to be. They can completely reverse the meaning of
their own “laws,” you might call them, of psychiatry or psychology when they change their politics. In the Soviet Union
they’d lock people up for simply pointing out that the government was completely corrupt and they’d lock you up as a
psychiatric patient for saying so. We have to be very, very careful about these definitions that keep getting thrown out
and we just blindly accept them.
Jackie: You mean like “mental health”?
Alan: Yes. What is mental health? Who is defining it for us?
Jackie: I’ve told this before and I’ve probably have told you, pre-95 or sometime in ’95 so I lost the document but I was
faxed a proposed bill from Colorado State. They were redefining the term “mental health” for insurance purposes and I
actually got it from the legislature, but one of the new definitions of a person who was mentally deranged or mentally ill
is somebody who has an abnormal fear or unnatural fear of the government. I don’t know what ever happened to that. I
don’t know if it was a proposed amendment to the insurance act I believe, so if we have any listeners in Colorado and if
they were doing it there and that if dog gone thing passed it’s probably laying there, at least unknown by most people in
a lot of states, maybe all of them. “An unnatural or abnormal fear of the government.”
Alan: I guess all historians must be crazy because that’s the one thing that crops up over and over down through history
is what the government ends up doing to the people. Once they get to a certain level of power and arrogance, all hell
breaks loose and it’s generally caused by the very government that’s supposed to organize our lives for us. Yes, we
always have to be watching governments. Apart from that, the governments are far too big anyway. You cannot watch
them if they’re too big. There are too many departments. They have a department for every part or function of your life
today.
Jackie: That follows right along with the Talmud, doesn’t it?
Alan: Yes. It’s literally all encompassing and it isn’t just your federal government. It’s also your state government. They
all get the laws passed from the United Nations, and that’s another super government with an equivalent department of
bureaucrats dealing with everything that your federal government is dealing with, so you have millions and millions of
bureaucrats with their own little agendas written down for them, their own protocols to follow, regardless of who you
think is in power.
Jackie: The bureaucrats actually don’t have their own agendas. I mean the minions, the ones that are following out the
orders, but they do have a school – a special school for bureaucrats. Our listeners need to remember that a bureaucrat is
a non-elected – it’s an appointed or paid, but they’re not elected so they’re not answerable to the people.
Alan: You’ll find when you look into a federal bureaucrats, they’re all hereditary positions and so you have more family
dynasties – old family dynasties stretching way back down through time, simply putting their own children into their
own jobs. It’s just amazing and of course they’re never talked about. We always get diverted to the politicians, the front
men.
Jackie: Do you remember the woman governor of New Jersey, Christie something? Whitman I think. Well that really
was driven home to me, the point that you just made, when I saw a photograph of her 4 years old with President
Eisenhower.
Alan: It’s just incredible when you think of how we’re trained from birth to believe the system is and how it truly is,
which is completely different from anything we’ve been told. Every bureaucracy has its protocols. They have their
agenda written down to follow and they implement them day after day, year after year. Back when they created the
League of Nations, H.G. Wells was writing that now the heads of the bureaucrats at the federal level could correspond
and travel and meet their brethren in other countries and basically iron out their differences.
Jackie: Their counterparts.
Alan: Yes. It makes to an extent the politicians almost irrelevant.
Jackie: However Alan, that is also on the state on the local level because they have international mayors associations.
The Council of State Governments is an international organization.
Alan: And the same with the International Association of Police Chiefs.
Jackie: They almost all have their counterparts today all over the world.
Alan: That’s right and you find that the heads of them attend meetings at the United Nations to find out the next part of
their policy.
Jackie: I read something one time where I think it was one of the UN when they did the women’s group and those
different – what do you call them? Anyway, one of the elite said that they had invited state, national and some local
officials so that they could feel that they’re part of this whole process. That’s actually what he said. So they feel like such
big shots.
Alan: The ego is a tremendous thing to play with.
Jackie: I think that’s Lucifer.
Alan: They know how to manipulate the ego – have their photograph taken at some high function at the United Nations
and that’s on the mantelpiece for everyone to see.
Jackie: Oh yes, blown up big on the wall.
Alan: Really the public have no real input into what’s happening. In fact, they don’t even really know what’s happening
most of the time until laws are actually implemented.
Jackie: They’re kept too busy.
Alan: You know even all the housing codes to do with building houses, electrical, plumbing, everything structure wise,
septic tank. All that is coming from the United Nations.
Jackie: Yes it is. I have a report on two international meetings that were held. One was in Moscow in the USSR and this
is exactly what they were dealing with, zoning laws, regional governments et cetera. It was very creepy to read it and
because they don’t really pull any punches at all, even a layperson can understand what the heck they’re saying. I
remember a quote where they were talking about the regional planner. One of their most important functions is the
transference of property from private to public use with the least amount – with ease, in other words. They have to learn
to be able to do it.
Alan: Now of course they have new weapons, they have weather control to flood out the farmers or give them a drought
and dry them out. They have so many weapons at their control, which they have been using for years, and they are
gradually getting their way. You’ll find that all the major hurricanes and cyclones and so on that hit the world today are
right along the paths of the very areas they want cleared for the wildlife species, but they want them cleared of human
habitation.
Jackie: I received an email about this hurricane Charlie. It was a man who was there on the spot and he took pictures
and he said that they are so under-reporting as far as the deaths and the devastation that had taken place and my little
flags went up. The guy who sent it over to me, I said I wonder what’s going on here. What’s to hide? I wonder if this was
a real one or was it part of weather control. I asked him if he would please send me anything that he gets on it and the
one I got today, which I haven’t read yet, said “Hurricane Charlie, is this Scalar Weather?” The scalar weather control
and that when you mentioned this, too, about where the wild lands are going to be, I found a map and this was from
their wild lands project and this was in the North American continent, basically the U.S., and they were talking about
this sign of the western border. They had this great big grey arrow, a real wide swath that went all the way up from
Canada all the way down Central America into parts of Mexico. The other one, I think they called it the Artic
something, this arrow went all the way across the top, partly in Canada and the U.S., mostly in the U.S. from the
northern U.S. all the way across and it looked like almost the entire state of Pennsylvania was inside that arrow, Alan.
Alan: They had their plans already made with the Tesla technology. I think eight years ago they admitted there were
over 54, 55 of Tesla HAARP stations worldwide. That’s what they admitted to. In the 1970’s the U.S. and other
countries signed a treaty not to use this as weaponry against other countries.
Jackie: Actually it was the ENMOD treaty and what they said is that it prohibited the hostile use of the technology that
can cause earthquakes, tornadoes, and I can’t remember all of it, but it mentioned rainfall.
Alan: They said they could actually create a hurricane out at sea and bring it in towards land and guide it anywhere they
wanted.
Jackie: That was in the ’70’s. I’ve got it in a book from the United Nations.
Alan: They’ve got it all and it’s a great weapon because they’ll never admit they’re actually using it to the public.
Although if the public look up and watch all the spraying that’s going on, I’m sure they’re using it hand in glove with this
technology because with the aluminum oxides and titanium traces in the air nowadays, they’re literally creating a
fantastic circuit for this electromagnetic pulsation to travel along. Yes, they are using it but they won’t admit it. The
governments will admit if you ask them that the skies are being sprayed with something but they cannot tell you for
reasons for national security. That’s the standard reply letter you get back. Advanced sciences have always been used on
the public and the public are always the last to know. No different from the polio vaccines and the fact that they knew
what all the simian viruses would cause down the road. They tell you 50 years later.
Jackie: I told you that I’m in the process of writing a book. It’s been going on for a couple of years. It sat for almost a
whole year after Chuck passed over, but in the preface of it I was talking about the plan for world dominion and I said
this means everything, every aspect of our lives. We can get along without a lot of things but we need good clean,
healthy food and fresh water and clean air. Then I went down the list of the food and the water and the air and what
they’re doing to it, and that has been bothering me because I never had brought up – I didn’t know about it at the time,
the estrogens that we were talking about last night because I had quoted in there that statement by Charles Galton
Darwin in “The Next Million Years” and that was 1952. He said that “it is in the biological sciences that the most
exciting possibilities suggest themselves. I will only speculate on a few among these possibilities which might have
great affect on human life. I’ve already referred to the possibility of [quite] new sources of food and I need not enlarge
on that further.”
Then when he mentioned this thing on hormones I really didn’t see how that – but I put it in there anyway. He says,
“Hormones. Those internal chemical secretions which so largely regulate the operations of the human body. The
artificial use of hormones has already — (this was 1952) been show to have profound affects on the behavior of animals
might have similar affects on man.” Then he talked about a “drug which might remove the urgency of sexual desire and
so reproducing humanity the status of workers in a beehive. To produce effects of these kinds there must be a master
and the master must be above and not subject to the procedure he is enforcing on his subjects.” That’s what you
mentioned last night and because that really had bothered me, I decided I was going to add that information on
xenoestrogens and there’s an article I found. Now remember this book that Darwin put out was ’52 and a report from
2002 I believe from a Canadian, a Dr. Kay Jensen. He said, “over the past 50 years we have seen a dramatic increase in
estrogen dominant conditions.” And I thought wow, fifty years ago was when this book or over 50 years ago but it was
when the book was published and what I realized is because this one article gave different sources of xenoestrogens.
Xenoestrogens are in the food we eat. They are in the water that we drink and it is in the air that we breathe, and we
slather it all over our bodies and our children’s bodies, so they’ve covered the whole gamut. There are over 60,000 ways
that we ingest or osmotically – is that the word, osmosis, take it in through the body. Over 60,000 ways and the
devastating effects, it’s unbelievable.
Alan: We already see the changes in society too and they have the effeminate men and the very masculine women.
Jackie: He said that Canada has the highest incidence of hysterectomies other than the U.S. and it’s double of any other
country in Europe and that many of the reasons that women – and endometriosis is a big one and endometriosis is
caused by estrogen dominance. He says something like 35 percent of women by the time they’re 60 will have had a
hysterectomy and many of them would not even be necessary if the hormones were balanced. All right, we’re going to
be taking a break here.
Alan: I’d like to mention for the farmers who are interested in what’s happening to their industry, there is a booth at the
International Plowing Match, an expo which is held every year in Canada. This year it’s in Neford, Ontario, and it’s
September 22nd to the 26th and there will be a booth there and it’s called “Matrix Explained.”
Jackie: Is that you?
Alan: There’s a couple of people I know who are holding this booth to tell the farmers and others what’s really going on
with the weather, with their crops and what the UN agenda is and I might be there too.
Jackie: That’s in Neford, Ontario, September 22 to 26th and the booth is the Matrix Explained. That sounds exciting.
Alan: It will be, yes. The farmers don’t really know the full agenda because they can’t believe their own governments
are intent on putting them out of business.
Jackie: They think the governments love us.
Alan: Yes. They don’t know the agenda that food simply will not be produced here in the future. That is the agenda
under the United Nations and NAFTA they’ve already set up Chile and other countries to be the food manufacturers for
basically the world.
Jackie: I was just going to say that it appears that the farmers that they’re taking down are in Canada, America,
Australia, probably the UK or do they do much farming there?
Alan: UK’s in the same boat. They had their mad cow slaughter, one cow and everything in Britain was slaughtered. Of
course they are trying to turn the world into a vegetarian world so we’ll have nothing to eat but their modified
vegetables.
Jackie: Alan, in this report on xenoestrogens.
Alan: I think you should really call it Zena.
Jackie: Zena?
Alan: Yes, the warrior princess.
Jackie: They said that in virtually every single vegetable that’s grown today is filled with xenoestrogen in fruits, berries
because the xenoestrogens are used as the weed control and so it’s in the soil and now it’s in the plants.
Alan: Now it’s in the people because they must get rid of the excess weeds. It’s fantastic too how they encourage
people to go through the fad of buying this spring bottled water that comes in these lovely plastic bottles and that plastic
is not completely inert. It’s giving off molecules all the time and all plastic molecules contain synthetic estrogen.
Jackie: Yes and that’s mentioned also and it says that the softer the plastic, and I don’t know if – I guess the best thing to
do is to avoid plastic, period, because if you buy juice in plastic bottles in so many of the things and of course, like you
said, all this water, but they said there’s a number in a pyramid on the bottle and if it’s less than a 7 it’s leeching
estrogens like the devil. Saran Wrap is really bad and of course people shouldn’t be using microwave ovens anyway and
they do and they cover this stuff with Saran Wrap and according to Kirk Newbie it’s sort of like – I could be overstating
this but I don’t think I am. When you cover something with Saran and put it in your microwave, you increase the
estrogen in it by 20,000 times. It all leeches right out of the plastic. .
Alan: They’ve covered all the bases and Monsanto knew all this back in the 1950’s, what the estrogen from plastic does
to people. Nothing is ever by accident, nothing. It’s all well planned and rehearsed long before and that’s the world we
really live in. They tell you generally 50 years after the fact, when most of the people have died and the generation
growing up then don’t care because if anything happened a few years ago it’s ancient history.
Jackie: They’ve been demoralized.
Alan: Everything is used as a weapon and I believe one of the women who were in charge of the UN agricultural
department said that – and I think most people really miss the point. There’s a double meaning there when she said “food
has always been used as a weapon of war and we shall use it.”
Jackie: And she said, “We make no apologies.”
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: I’ve got quote right here on this sheet that I printed out and she, by the way, used to be a Rockefeller before she
had her post. She said, “Food is power. We use it to change behavior. Some may call that bribery. We do not apologize,”
and before she was with the UN she was a former confidential assistant to New York State Governor Nelson
Rockefeller.
Alan: That’s a lovely philanthropic organization.
Jackie: Change behavior. That’s important that word. That statement that she made just speaks volumes.
Alan: It does. More than the average person would think, because these people plan the future, sometimes hundreds of
years before, and they knew all this stuff about the estrogen back in the 50’s at least.
Jackie: Evidently, that’s what I found interesting, the correlation, this article by this doctor that said for the past 50
years we have been seeing a rise in and they call it estrogen dominant syndrome and that was 1952 when Darwin’s book
was published, where he said we’re going to use artificial hormones.
Alan: He was a physicist.
Jackie: I’ve got Dr. John Lee’s audio tape and also a book that he wrote and I had no idea – when I think of hormones
and I think the average person thinks of hormones, we think of progesterone, estrogen and testosterone, yet there are so
many of them and according to Dr. Lee, he seems to have risen to the top with his research. They literally – what am I
trying to say here? In every function of the body, hormones are involved.
Alan: Yes. The whole endocrine system that sets even adrenaline and so on into operation receives information via
hormones.
Jackie: Regulate, that’s the word I was looking for, and there’s more than just the three.
Alan: There’s lots of them.
Jackie: That’s what they’re doing. They’re genetically engineering the body by the use of their artificial hormones.
Alan: They know exactly where they’re going with it too, and they will have eventually a passive docile population if
they get their way.
Jackie: What do you mean eventually?
Alan: They have the bulk already but they always did really. It’s those who have the capacity to wake up and stand up
for themselves that they’re really after. Although, they are trying to make the rest far more efficient in ways that they’ve
never been. In fact, Charles Galton Darwin also said that. He says, “we are introducing a more efficient form of
slavery,” and that book was applauded by all the big newspaper companies of its day, if you look at the acclaims on the
back page.
Jackie: I want to remind our listeners you said it and I heard it but I didn’t really hear it, but we were talking about it
later about – you were mentioning it with this Dr. Kelly. Was he a biophysicist, is that what you call it?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: A lot of people are aware of this if they have internet access and of course I guess it was on the news, but he
was killed and what you pointed out, which I did not know, is he actually admitted that he was involved with Israel in a
program that was creating a DNA or gene selective, what, virus or bacteria?
Alan: Porton Downs, that’s the big bacterial warfare department for Britain, collaborated with Israel and mind you
they’ve been doing this for a lot longer than five years, but Kelly mentioned they had been creating race-specific viruses,
smart viruses that would attack people with certain ethnic genes and there’s a whole range of them for every basically
ethnic group on the planet. I think he knew once he admitted that – it wasn’t just the fact that he exposed all the lies that
Blair was talking about the weapons of mass destruction being in Iraq. It was also because he knew he was blowing the
whistle on a far greater danger that had already been developed, all this stuff with Britain, Israel and I have no doubt the
U.S. was involved as well.
Jackie: The U.S. is under the control of the Zionist neo-cons they call them today.
Alan: The U.S. certainly funds them.
Jackie: Alan, they’re in every high position in this country. They control the military. They control the State
Department. They control the U.S. Government, Inc. literally. I read a list to our listeners a few weeks ago and it was a
list of 30 in some of the top positions and they’re in total control of the U.S. government.
Alan: If people were to dwell on all the things that could happen, it could collapse your whole mind basically.
George: Jackie?
Jackie: Just a minute. I’m sorry Alan. I didn’t say we would not like to take calls tonight. Do you want to take a call?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: Hi. You’re on the air.
George: Hi, Jackie, your old friend George from New York. I said I’ll call you up to tell you about it’s nuts over here
with all this traffic and cops just one big [mess].
Jackie: George, we’re on the air with a guest.
George: I’m incorrect and I’m sorry.
Jackie: Okay, thank you, George.
George: Okay, Jackie, have a nice evening.
Jackie: You too. He’s calling from New York. They’re having a Republican Convention there and I guess he wanted to
report on what was going on. I’m not saying that it is not important but it’s just one of the jillions of details of what is
happening, and to dwell on that stuff, it just seems a waste of our time and a waste of our listeners’ money.
Alan: Absolutely. The problem is there is so much going on and if you knew it all, never mind some of it, some of it’s
bad enough. That can close you down. That can paralyze you with fear and I think that’s what its intent is also to do.
Jackie: Yes, well some might say that this broadcast that we do could paralyze people with fear. I was thinking about
that at a quarter till and I was thinking of saying is there something uplifting that we could talk about before this
broadcast is over tonight? Can we?
Alan: I think it is, because until people come to their own spiritual consciousness and stand up for themselves as an
individual against basically anything and everything that they disagree with, it doesn’t matter what really happens to you
eventually here on this planet, this world, because this isn’t the end of everything, but you can always say and know that
you’ve done the right thing for yourself, and by doing that it can benefit others anyway. People take a long time to
follow that which is right and they generally do it by example and you will get hit hard if you simply stand up for
yourself in this day and age. Those who think they’re still in a free society will find out very, very quickly how free they
are when they start saying no to all the officials that come around in this day and age demanding things et cetera.
However, you have to live what is right for yourself and take the consequences for it, and in the knowledge that others
will eventually follow that same route. It simply takes people to start doing it.
Jackie: In other words, become an example, a demonstration.
Alan: You have to be an individual, walking, breathing, demonstration of what it right. You cannot join a group
because the groups are generally created by the elite for you to follow, or else they’re so quickly infiltrated they’re taken
over by experts so quickly. Bill Cooper I think even started a party up. Was it the Libertarian Party or the Constitutional
Party?
Jackie: He didn’t. He was involved in the Constitution Party for a while.
Alan: Then he came out on the air and said he was giving it up because it was already infiltrated and taken over. You
cannot form groups and try to fight this system by using the system. You cannot do it. They haven’t left you any real
method of redress whatsoever; and let’s be honest. We’re not multibillionaires who can go into court and fight things
forever. They know that too. That’s why the system was set-up that way. However, you will generally suffer for doing
the right thing in this world, but as long as you realize that you are a spirit, basically, then you can leave this place
behind at the right time regardless of what happens and you have done the right thing for yourself.
Jackie: And for many other people.
Alan: And for many others.
Jackie: We were talking last night about time not being linear but that there are many dimensions and that is when it hit
me and occurred to me that everything that we do here is affecting every other dimension and vice versa, and so
everything we do right for the right reasons make all the difference in the world.
Alan: In a flash of creation every possibility already exists for everything to happen in time – this thing called time that
suddenly bursts forth into existence and so past, present and future are all to an extent coexisting at the same time. You
will influence by finding out who you are and doing the right thing when you’re here all through your life.
Jackie: In other words, instead of waiting and saying “I’m earning my place in heaven” and saying certain things that
the church tells us we’re supposed to say, you know, “I believe in Jesus Christ and his blood. He’s God’s son, God in the
flesh, and he died on the cross and he saved me from all my sins. He saved the world from all the sins.” That is so
weakening and limiting to the individual and besides that, if they read in the Old Testament Jesus said, “As you sow, so
shall you reap.” He didn’t say, okay, my blood is going to wash away your sins. The church said that, Alan.
Alan: Yes, I know. The church also made a dogma of the fact that he came to save the whole world and he didn’t. He
said I come to look for the lost sheep, the people who were lost in the system and knew it. They knew it was a system.
That’s what he was looking for, those who are alive or “trying to stand up,” you might say, and it’s never been any
different. He also said, “follow me, do as I do.” He didn’t say I’m going do it all for you, and it’s never been any
different.
Jackie: You made a statement one time and I’d like to repeat it. You said I don’t really believe that he used the word
sheep, because sheep are the stupidest animals in the world; but the good shepherd with the crook and we talked about
this sometime ago how the crook is used – they’re so stupid that if they get into a corner they don’t know how to get out
and pull them out of a corner and turn them around and that crook, that of the good shepherd has been pictured many
times in the hands of the pharaohs, Alan.
Alan: The pharaohs had the rod and the staff and the staff was the crook and every bishop including the Archbishop of
Canterbury and you’ll see the same thing in Rome has that crook there you see and it’s well named, crook, because they
are all crooks. They’ve certainly fleeced the sheep indeed for a long, long time. However, Jesus told his followers, “the
Father’s in me and I am in you,” well I don’t think he was meaning that the father is also a sheep or that he was or that
you were. All church organizations have been given to the public for control purposes only and whatever truth manages
to survive a particular individual is vastly warped in favor of governmental control and it makes the people placid and
they follow along. Christianity was supposed to free you and the truth would make you free.
Jackie: Jesus didn’t say Christianity would free you. He said “the truth will make you free.” They took some of his
messages and they turned it into a religion. We’re out of time here. Will you finish off this week with us?
Alan: Sure I will.
Jackie: Tomorrow night is the last broadcast. Alan will be back with us tomorrow night. Thank you, Alan.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
September 2, 2004
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Thursday. It is
the last day of our broadcast week. It is 2nd of September in the year 2004 and today was probably one of the most
beautiful days that we have had all this summer and I mean that seriously. The air was dry and it was warm, but not
humid of course, and it was just absolutely gorgeous.
Alan Watt, thanks for being with us tonight.
Alan: It’s nice to be here.
Jackie: How are you this evening?
Alan: Not so bad.
Jackie: And how is Murphy’s Law doing with you lately?
Alan: Murphy’s always hanging around.
Jackie: Well, Alan I don’t believe last night when we finished there was anything left hanging where we were going to
start, so where would you like to start this evening?
Alan: Oh boy. Well, I think people should realize that the world today is simply a stage, which was planned eons ago
basically.
Jackie: I’m sorry. Your volume is low for me again by the way. You said it was planned what?
Alan: Eons ago and you don’t change something overnight that’s been working steadily and planning steadily and
enforcing steadily. You cannot change that in a single lifetime and that’s what people generally think they have to do.
The only reason they think they must change in their lifetime is because that which they’re used to (which is the system
that we’re born in) is now changing again and they’re fighting to try to keep what they think was their system.
Jackie: Maybe because I’ve said this myself in the past to take our country back. What does that mean? Go back to the
way it used to be? It’s never been the way it should be, Alan.
Alan: Never, never. It didn’t even begin that way. In fact, sovereign nations were part of the plan, a stage in the plan to
serve again another purpose – a stepping-stone towards ultimately internationalism and a one-world government system.
Jackie: Yes and you were talking about the trilateral plan with the Americas being one and the European Union being a
second. Would you explain that again? I think we talked about this not on air, didn’t we?
Alan: Yes, that’s right. Karl Marx wrote about this in the 1840’s and Karl Marx was a nobody at the time. He was a
front man who was paid by the Rothschild’s to live in London after being booted out of Germany and he came up with
the “Communist Manifesto” and a few other books with his friend Engels. He actually wrote about a world to come that
they were working for, which would comprise of three basic trading blocks which would consist of a United Americas,
a United Europe and a Pacific Rim conglomeration under a supreme world government; and it’s no coincidence that
we’re on the very verge of it being announced today. It’s been steadily worked at. Capitalism was an artificial creation.
Its antithesis communism was a necessary part of capitalism and the aims of capitalism to create the new system, the
synthesis of them both, which is dominant elite that’s running the world under a communistic type bureaucracy running
the rest of the people beneath them.
Jackie: Today they’re calling it democratization.
Alan: That’s correct.
Jackie: They’re democratizing the nations.
Alan: Yes and this was planned a long, long time ago and it started an awful long time ago. People at one time lived in
tribes and tribes were the closest system you could have to any kind of natural living. Of course, with the advent of
money, which was the truly artificial creation – before you had barter. People would barter for what they wanted. Now
you have a third person who comes in and says this coin is worth that sack of wheat and for a percentage of your wheat
I’ll make this transaction for you; and once the third party came in, he eventually obviously ended up controlling the
guys with exchanging sacks and it’s been that way ever since. From then, they had to create the first city and the legends
of Nimrod, the city builder. Everyone pretty well knows the reason the Masons praise Nimrod, or for what he stands for,
is he created the first artificial system of human living, which was bringing people off the rural areas, creating a city
which was walled, so they were walled in and then creating a bureaucracy and taxing the people outside of the city
because people in the city produced nothing. They can’t even feed themselves and so the artificial ends up lording over
the natural, and it’s still the same way today.
Jackie: And what timeline and where was Nimrod?
Alan: Nimrod is legendary. It’s pre-everything. It’s half myth and half legend. It’s pre-history really.
Jackie: In other words before Sumer?
Alan: Yes, even before Sumer because all these legends were borrowed even to the time of Sumer and we know there’s
another bunch called the Hurrians that pre-existed the Sumerians and they apparently also had the trade routes which
Sumer eventually took over.
Jackie: And was Sumer supposed to be about 6,000 years ago?
Alan: Roughly about that, yes. Once again, Sumer appeared on the scene as a complete basic system. It didn’t evolve
into a system. It appeared out of nowhere with a complete system of trading with money – with even receipts, date
receipts you could have and forms of checking accounts and priesthoods to deal, who did all the work that the modern
bureaucrats do and they ran the trading for the known world at that time, but they were also a form of governmental
bureaucracy for the rest of the whole world as well. I don’t think much has changed.
Jackie: I was thinking about those caravans. Were they back in that time? The caravans of camels that had those trading
routes?
Alan: They had them before Sumer because they had so many of the Harappan peoples’ old dwelling places that preexisted
the Sumerian trading routes and they also had a complete route from Egypt all the way to China, and that was
pre-Sumer.
Jackie: What race would the Hurrians have been?
Alan: It’s difficult to say. We know for instance that the original Sumerians, who may have taken over, were darkhaired
primarily. In fact, one of their prayers to their god Enki was to thank Enki for making them the dark-haired
people who ruled over the fair-haired, but they got invaded themselves by other Arabic peoples called the Akkadian and
they merged with the Sumerians and eventually the Akkadian. However, the original Sumerian peoples were definitely
dark-haired. That doesn’t mean that the kings and queens were, because they found even when they dug up what turned
out to be the local garbage dump they found deep down some of the royal graves there.
Jackie: In the rubbish dumps they found royal graves?
Alan: Later peoples had turned it into rubbish dumps, but they did find some old articles. They did find some amazing
tombs where a few hundred peasants or servants were killed along side the royalty–
Jackie: So they could serve them?
Alan: Yes and there were no signs of struggle, so they think they all took poison of some kind. Once again, the queen
especially her wigs were found and they were all made of the local hair of the people, but they think that her hair may
have been of a more fair color, her own particular hair.
Jackie: That’s intriguing, mysterious.
Alan: I don’t think it’s ever been any different. As I say, the present royalty of Europe lord over people and if you really
traced their ancestry they never interbred with the native people.
Jackie: It seems that from things that I’ve read that the old gods like Quetzalcoatl, that he was described as a white man
coming out of the ocean and so many of them describe their gods as white.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: So Alan, here I go again. I don’t which question to ask first. Never mind because they’re all gone right now. I
haven’t been writing them down. The Hurrians, the gods.
Alan: The planet is so old that you cannot change it in a generation because the system you’re living in and been born is
complete all around you as a system. Lenin himself gave a lot away in his writings because he could afford to, and
Lenin was just another front man for the antithesis basically.
Jackie: When you were talking about Karl Marx and his writings, he was a front man too.
Alan: All of them, yes.
Jackie: In other words, what he was writing wasn’t his plan.
Alan: No, no. In fact, it was 20 or 30 years before they even put Karl Marx’s name on the “Communist Manifesto.” He
was so long down on the tiers that it wasn’t worth mentioning his name at first.
Jackie: A trade on the family tree?
Alan: Yes that’s right. His real name was Karl Marx Mordechai Levi.
Jackie: One of the questions that popped into my mind as we were talking about these rulers and they’re white skinned
or fair skinned. They have light hair or red hair, blue and green eyes and now you’re saying all the way back to Sumer
and before there’s evidence that that’s what it was. One of my questions is why is the white race being annihilated today
and is the white race—maybe this would have to be an opinion, maybe an educated guess—but is the white race today
part of that race of all long, long ago?
Alan: I think this royalty that keeps cropping up was a separate race in itself. Going back even further to Greek legend
and some of the Arabic legends when they talk about the troglodytes, which is just a Greek term for these cave or
underground dwellers. These particular creatures were pretty well complete albino. Now whether the white race was
bred off of that, it’s hard to tell. It’s possible.
Jackie: Would you describe to our listeners what you described to me out of that real old, old book on freemasonry?
There were different types of beings that were being described in that book.
Alan: They were the tree dwellers they claim that just hopped around in the trees and ate the fruit and so on. Some of
them would come down to kill animals and then you had these troglodytes that would rush out of the caves when the
animals had been slain by the tree dwellers, chase off the tree dwellers and then drink the blood of the animals that were
killed. These troglodytes were supposed to be completely ruthless to every other species.
Jackie: Describe them the way you described them. They had no lower jaw, did they?
Alan: That’s right. They were very thin creatures, very white, completely white.
Jackie: Spindly, lacking in musculature?
Alan: Yes and it’s funny because I remember reading a scientific magazine many years ago saying what the future man
might be like, if science was to take its full course and go into artificial food or food that was liquefied and went straight
through the body basically.
Jackie: So we wouldn’t need a lower jaw?
Alan: You wouldn’t need a jaw at all, really. You’d have nothing to chew. You’d have spindly legs because you
wouldn’t have to exercise if you were taking long voyages in spacecrafts, for instance, which is one of the theories of the
future and how man would look like. It put me in mind I read this Masonic book of that very thing. These creatures, it’s
hard to see how they got to that stage by themselves. You would think everything else would have eradicated them, but
again it’s thought that they may have had advanced weaponry and that’s how they managed to survive.
Jackie: Oh thank you, because the thought that occurred to me was if they were so spindly and weak, then how in the
world would they have the strength to force away the people that did the killing?
Alan: Yes, and they were ruthless apparently.
Jackie: And a slit for a mouth because they were just blood drinkers?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: That sounds very familiar, doesn’t it, Alan?
Alan: Oh it does and I think that’s where all the old vampire films come from. I think the vampire stories of Masonic
tongue-in-cheek were maybe a very real thing that happened long ago.
Jackie: Did they say anything about whether they had hair or not? Head hair or body hair?
Alan: I can’t remember that.
Jackie: I don’t recall you reading about it either, but as you were describing them reading that I can recall that what I
was picturing were the pictures we see of these so-called aliens.
Alan: What I do remember too is that made a funny hissing sound when they spoke to each other. It was the highpitched
hissing sound rather than the normal vocal sound.
Jackie: That’s interesting. Do you have any thoughts or understanding of why today, and it does seem that it’s
intentional, extremely, why is the white race being eradicated, mixed all up with the other colors?
Alan: If you go back to the Brahman legends of the north of India, the Brahmans there claim that they are descended
from the man from the previous age, that they came through the last catastrophe. They claim that where the Black Sea is
today was a testing ground where different types of animals and humans were created. It was actually a valley at one
time and they claim that it was a big laboratory and these “scientists” were experimenting with different types and
eventually the experiment got out of hand and the people began to eat each other and so they flooded the whole valley
and that became the Black Sea. I think man is far, far older than we know. Far older and I’m pretty certain that if
science, for instance, today where they’re going with their modifications and their adaptations of the human species for
other tasks in the future, then it would be obvious that we’ve gone through this before. They would have done the same
thing in the previous age. They would always get to the same point where they’d have to change and adapt and so on,
exactly as Plato talked about in “The Republic”—creating new types of humans for different tasks, special hybrids; but
the Brahmans do say that was on the go prior to the previous world catastrophes.
Jackie: I’m sorry Alan. I had a call come in here and so everything you said I did not hear, but this was Annette calling
and she couldn’t understand. She said that even the American Indians knew the difference between the pale face and that
it’s a seed line and it’s the seed of Cain and why didn’t you bring all this out?
Alan: It’s doesn’t mean it’s the seed of Cain. You can’t bring Plato’s Cave along through everything with you. Eventually
sometimes you have to leave the cave behind or you associate all brand new information back to the cave but in the
previous areas, you see. The mark of Cain was circumcision. It wasn’t a people. It was a brotherhood. Circumcision was
the mark and that’s how all Arabs and even today some of the high sheiks will do this. They put their hand under the
person’s kilt, as they say, to see if you were a brother and the lowly person would swear allegiance to his chief that way
in Arabic countries and he would swear it literally “on his future generations.” They were all Semitic peoples. That’s
where the word seminary comes from, semen, that’s where it comes from, and you swear oaths by literally grasping the
other person’s penis. That was part of the ancient law structure of all the old Semitic cultures.
Jackie: I would like to go back for just a moment. You’re saying that the mark of Cain is actually a circumcision and
that was real old and that was even before the Bible?
Alan: Yes, in fact the Egyptians were also circumcised.
Jackie: This has never made sense to me in the Old Testament where it says Adam and Eve were the first people. They
had their sons Cain and Abel and then Cain slew Abel and then went to a land and took himself a wife, but people who
are into the bloodline that the whites are really the chosen of Jehovah or Yahweh. That is one of the big things that this
is all hanging on, I believe.
Alan: But that’s their problem. In Genesis there are two creations. There’s the first creation and again this is all mystic.
If you understand the esoteric you understand the beginnings and you have the void and the darkness and the deep,
which is the abyss, and then you have eventually the Garden of Eden. You have the first creation and it’s man and
woman and in his image he created them; and then you read further on and it says there was no one to till the soil so he
created Adam and then Eve. There’s two creations there and that’s the secret between the rulership dynasties and the
peasant laborer. In it’s an allegory form for the purpose of Adam and Eve.
Jackie: It’s an allegory?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Well that makes a whole lot more sense because I don’t know how somebody could justify in their mind that
this all started with Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel, the first people, when evidentially according to just what the
story says that he went and took a wife. I can remember when I was 15 and reading the Bible and that was one of the
things that grabbed me and I thought well where did these other people come from then?
Alan: Of course, it says in the Bible to go out and repopulate the earth. Repopulate, which meant it was populated
before. Really, this whole part starts with the beginning of the next age, in other words, after a previous catastrophe
when not everybody was killed off but a lot were.
Jackie: There have been books written about the seed of Cain.
Alan: Of course Cain is all allegory because you think about Abel and what it means as well and into the English
language, because all the mystery religions eventually were adapted into the English language, which was again a
Masonic creation you might say. However, the word cannibal, part Cain and Abel, you see, and Cain of course – the old
god didn’t know what was going on, so they had to ask him where his brother was.
Jackie: And did he say I ate him?
Alan: Basically you’re left with the conclusion that he was eaten but it means more than that. It also means the clever
part of it, the killing of the natural person who herded animals – the part of themselves pretty well, the one that was
favored by the creator. Not the god but the creator.
Jackie: Oh I’m sorry. Okay, hold that because I’d like you to repeat it because I really didn’t get what you said and I will
expand on this after this break. First of all, I just want to do a little recap that the story you’re saying the story in the Old
Testament of Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, is allegory. The two creations is meant, one for the elite, and one for the
worker bees, I guess you would call it.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: And those are the ones that were supposed to go out and till the field and everything.
Alan: Do all the tilling of the soil, yes.
Jackie: And you said that Cain and Abel the whole story is an allegory and that Cain-Abel actually stands for cannibal
and the evidence in that story is that they’re saying that Abel ate Cain.
Alan: Cain ate Abel. Again, it’s to do with what they tell you to please the deity. The sacrifices that Abel gave to the
deity were acceptable, but the ones that Cain gave were unacceptable.
Jackie: What did Cain give?
Alan: Cain was a farmer who grew grain and the meaning behind it all was that he had to know basic sciences to fulfill
his occupation; whereas Abel was a natural sort of nomad where he went with his animals wherever they grazed, so he
lived more naturally. Therefore, it’s really a war between the man who lived naturally and the one who had to use
science to make his crops grow. Science conquered the natural man is really what they mean here. That’s what it means.
Jackie: You talk about thinking in the cave and even when new information comes it’s sort of like thinking in the box,
isn’t it?
Alan: Oh yes.
Jackie: I mean it’s a term that is used today, getting outside of the box instead of thinking in the box. I received a letter
and information from Annette, and I don’t say this meanly at all, because I reread it tonight, this evening and I reread the
information that she had sent and with the letter that she had sent to somebody and she had sent me a copy of it. She was
giving a bit of a background on her own progress, if you would, and she had been a Mormon and then she became
involved in metaphysics, studied metaphysics and she was reading the Old Testament she wondered how those terrible
people could be God’s chosen. That led her into the understanding where she is now and where so many people are
instead of realizing that our creator does not choose special – a real creator, a true creator is not going to say I’m going
to take you to be my people and I’m going to be your god, but instead of rejecting that, then what happened was she
began study the bloodline stuff and probably studying under people and reading information. Hello?
Unidentified Caller: Yes, can I ask a question? Alan?
Jackie: Go ahead.
Unidentified Caller: I just wanted to know, in the Bible you were talking about Genesis where the Lord said to Cain
when he was chased out, he told Cain, he said I’m going to put a mark on you so that everyone will be able to recognize
you and Cain was really upset. He says if you do this, whoever will see me will want to kill me; and I don’t know what
happened after that. They sent him away. Anyway, is this mark what I see today in the Jewish people, you know the
yellowish skin, the course hair, the large ears, the large mouth. Sort of Sarah Jessica Parker or Barbara Streisand kind of
nose. I just want to know does he feel that that’s what that mark is for us. Thank you.
Jackie: Okay. She has to get a radio back on for your answer, Alan. Maybe she didn’t hear you say that the whole story
was an allegory? Do you want to address that?
Alan: It isn’t just that. I mean the serpents, for instance, according to the higher masons, represented a wise man from a
previous age and he became the father of Cain. Cain was a bloodline different again from Abel and Adam was not his
father; that’s what they mean by that.
Jackie: By the serpent?
Alan: A high priest from a previous age. That’s what it really means.
Jackie: That’s how it translates?
Alan: That’s what all the mystery religions claim, yes, the higher you go, and, in other words, he was injected with the
intelligence, the scientific bent you might say.
Jackie: Abel or Cain?
Alan: Cain.
Jackie: Oh I thought it was Cain – oh, that’s right. Cain slew Abel.
Alan: Of course, once Cain left and was chased out – and, by the way, in the older manuscripts they tell you that they
all wore aprons, and that’s representative of the present Masonic aprons, that’s why the mark had to be covered.
Jackie: And the mark being the circumcision?
Alan: Circumcision. Let’s be honest here. If a creator made you perfect in every way, in his own likeness, why would
he then demand that you cut a bit of your skin off?
Jackie: In a very sensitive place.
Alan: This is a different purpose all together.
Jackie: And so her question was about the appearance of the Jews today.
Alan: I have a train going by from China. They go across Canada everyday and bring Costco all of its goods. Hold on a
second.
Jackie: Did you hear what I asked, Alan?
Alan: No.
Jackie: Well I just wanted you to – I guess you did answer it, but she did ask if the mark was the appearance of the Jews
today?
Alan: No. It wasn’t Jews. In fact, there were no Jews at the time of Cain and Abel. It pre-existed all of that and
circumcision was common amongst all of the so-called Semitic peoples. The Egyptians, when they fought the peoples of
the sea who invaded from somewhere in the Aegean, were surprised to find that these enemies also were circumcised as
they were. Circumcision was a common thing because they all shared basically a common religion, even though the
deities had different names.
Jackie: Yes and it was the same priesthoods that were writing these religions?
Alan: I am certain of it because since they had international trade in those days and they had with the trade routes also
went the priests. The priests had to know all the religions that different peoples were worshiping were in fact the same
religion under different names. You always had a dynasty of a father, mother and a son, always, and of course they give
them different names; and so the Egyptians would never think the guys to the north across the water there were
worshipping the same deities, but they were in fact. Cain, anyway, supposedly his father was you might say Lucifer or
high priest from a previous age and because a he had superior genes, this great inbreeding thing again, he became the
first artificer or worker in metals and made tools and weapons and scientifically created things.
Jackie: So you’re saying that he would have learned that through the priesthood?
Alan: He would have learned it, absolutely, and again the inference is that he inherited that type of mentality to
understand it.
Jackie: What people, if you know this, are considered the people who carry the mark of Cain today? Is it the Jews?
Alan: There are some, definitely a lot actually, of higher-up ones, but really it’s one separate people who are at the top
of the tree in almost every country, regardless of what they claim to be. They’re separate all together.
Jackie: In other words, the elite of the Jews are not of the same bloodline as the average Jews today?
Alan: No. I mean the average Jew today does not marry his sister or his niece, but when you look at royalty for instance
that claim to be – the Queen is the head of the Church of England, a Protestant church and yet look at the inbreeding
they do.
Jackie: She’s got a real horse face.
Alan: Some of them have been some disasters with Princess Anne. She liked horses and she had a nice smile along side
her horse. They kind of matched each other and Prince Charles looks like Akhen-Aton of Egypt.
Jackie: And he has very little of a chin, doesn’t he?
Alan: Little chin, lock neck, big hips. Interestingly enough too, Charles said at one point that he was the descendent of
David and then he said he was also a descendent of Noah. The whole allegory of Noah is the same elite coming through
another disaster and surviving and starting the mystery all over again of how you dominate the ordinary people. That’s
the reality of Noah. Noah was chosen to survive only because he had not out bred of his family lineage. He inbred only.
He was perfect in his generations; so you have this elite coming through.
Jackie: It’s starting to come out today, although I think a lot of people don’t see it, but I have an article. It was in a
newspaper and it was a group of rabbis who actually made the statement that there is no historical truth in the Old
Testament, but nobody seems to pick up on that, Alan.
Alan: I mean the fact is, in no one else’s history was there even a place called Israel. It’s only in the Bible. When you
look at the histories of Greece, who ruled that area at one time, before the Romans, they called it Edomia. The whole
land was called Edomia and then when the Romans moved in it was basically the same.
Jackie: Would I be pronouncing that “Idumean” [Idumea]? Was that the same thing you just said?
Alan: That’s right. Interestingly, a lot of them have names that were actually Edomian, like Jack Elam the actor, he did
a lot of old westerns, but Elam was basically the capital of Edomia at one time and yet he was a Jew, so there’s a big
controversy about was there ever a historical Israel.
Jackie: Well, historical Israel actually, I think, isn’t it because it’s my people Israel? I mean it was actually tribes.
Alan: There were no tribes. It was Isis – Ra – El. Is-ra-el. It was the trinity.
Jackie: That’s where Israel came from.
Alan: It was a religion that spread all over the area, you see, and that came from Egypt itself.
Jackie: So these two tribes, how many ever there were, the lost tribes of Israel, that is not what we think it means?
Alan: Not at all. It’s astronomy in fact. It’s astronomy and astrology. It’s the 12 houses of the Zodiac and if you look at
the blessings that Jacob gives on the son, you’ll see the allegory within each blessing of a symbol of one of the houses of
the zodiac. Dan, of course, he’s the eagle. He’s also the serpent because the eagle basically rises – Aquila rises opposite
Draco, which is the old serpent. That used to be where the old North Star was a one time; now it’s Polaris. Another tribe
is like a lion. Judah is like a lion. That’s Leo. Each blessing is actually one of the houses of the zodiac, so they never
existed as a people and the rabbis all know this. They’re all well aware of this. It’s zodiacal. There were three primary
groups in existence in ancient times of priests and one was solar, one was lunar and one was stellar, the stars. Now I’m
sure they all came under a higher authority above them all, but that’s how they ruled all the people. It’s entirely zodiacal
and the blessings themselves are that. They are the symbols of the zodiac.
Jackie: And the rabbis know all this?
Alan: Oh they know it all, yes.
Jackie: Why do you think they came out publicly and admitted that there is no historical truth in the Old Testament?
Alan: I think now is probably the right time because–
Jackie: Because they want to destroy all religions and mold them into the one?
Alan: That’s part of it too, sure. I mean it’s the same with the Christian guys. The ecumenical movement is doing the
same job to destroy that, you see, at the same time and that’s well financed too, big players there. They always do things
at the right time. As Masons, once a temple has fulfilled its structure, you knock it down to build anew.
Jackie: They’re knocking the pins right out from under all of the people who have been so steeped. Jews and Christians
in the Bible and I was talking to one of our listeners, very fascinating and intelligent man but he made a statement. He
said if you have a bottle and you empty it – or let’s say for example this religion Judeo-Christian, which is almost today
as one, but let’s say that you knock everything out from under people where they finally realized that it has all been
made up for them, then you’ve created a vacuum and if there isn’t something to fill that vacuum, something real, then
more garbage will just come into it.
Alan: Actually you see they have been creating a new religion and they’ve been pushing it for quite a few years, and it’s
based on earth worship. Mikhail Gorbachev wrote a book and it’s called “Towards a New Civilization” and in it he said
that he himself was an atheist and later on in the book he says, “we for the global society are creating a new world
religion. It will be based on earth worship and it must be so.” So there you go. We’ve watched the Buffy things on TV
for years now, there’s been witches programs on TV for years, so they’re pushing all this stuff because this is the new
religion which is to move in and take over.
Jackie: It actually sounds like when they’re getting into earth worship and that almost that it’s going back to the ancient
religious times.
Alan: Yes, because when you have a society run by one single power worldwide you want total control of all land and
all people and all animals and everything else, and you want the people to believe they’re just part of the same structure.
You have the same value as any other animal and your animals are your brothers and your sisters et cetera, et cetera and
therefore when the government wants to reduce your populations, the people will do it gladly. In ancient times they had
the first-born being killed every year.
Jackie: Yes and the new religion will probably go back to sacrifices.
Alan: The new religions in its higher degrees already do it.
Jackie: We’re out of time here, Alan, and the music is playing and I understand that we are not able to be heard over the
music. I want to thank you for being on with us this week and I know we’ll do some more. All right, thank you very
much. Good night, Alan.
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“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
April 6, 2005
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is
Wednesday the 6th of April in the year 2005 and I hope you’re day was as lovely as our day was here today. It was 80
degrees here, just unreal. Alan Watt is with us tonight.
Let me begin with our spiritual message and we’ll bring Alan up. This we did last night from John 18 verse 37 when
Pilate asked Jesus, “Are you a king? Jesus said, “You say that I’m a king. To this end was I born and for this cause came
I into the world that I should bear witness unto the truth. Everyone that is of the truth hears my voice.”
It’s pretty clear to me. Hello Alan Watt.
Alan: Hello.
Jackie: Thank you for being here tonight.
Alan: Yes, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Yes, it’s a pleasure.
Alan: It’s pouring rain here.
Jackie: Oh my gosh, Alan. It’s 80 degrees. I had every window in the house open and I went out and I spread a couple
of bales of hay in the chicken’s yard. It was muddy out there and I got all the hay off my perennials and got leaves out of
the flower gardens and stuff. It was beautiful. It’s just so exciting.
Alan: Well, it’s the spring, eh?
Jackie: It is and it’s amazing what a nice day can do for our energy level, isn’t it?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Well gosh, Alan, you know we have to have these times, for me, the information, that stuff that we have learned
and the lies that we have been told and that darkness that is in this world, it is so nice to have the break like this
sometimes, isn’t it?
Alan: It is.
Jackie: It’s good for what ails you. It’s good for the soul.
Alan: Yes. Unfortunately though, I watched them spraying all day yesterday until they turned the whole sky into just
polymer mush and they’re going after it big time.
Jackie: Today was sunny here. The skies were blue and the clouds were white and puffy.
Alan: That’s the real thing.
Jackie: Oh it is. This has been a rare day. Yes, it’s lovely. I’ve been printing out some stuff. You had mentioned this and
I had gotten some information on it, Alan. These are the Top-Off they’re calling it and I got this right from the U.S.
government’s website, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Top Officials Three Exercise. Okay, that’s what they’re
calling it, “Top Off Three”. Top Officials Three Exercise, whatever that means, is a congressionally mandated exercise
designed to strengthen the nation’s capacity to prevent, prepare for, respond to and recover from large scale terrorist
attacks involving weapons of mass destruction. Then it goes on and of course as we’ve talked about and I mentioned it
last night to our listeners. It isn’t just here in the U.S. It’s in Canada. It’s in the UK and the two states that are involved
are New Jersey and Connecticut and they’re underway between the fourth and the eighth of this month.
Alan: I hear too that they also had some British and some French aircraft and so on and military personnel over here, so
it’s international.
Jackie: That’s what I said, Canada and the UK.
Alan: It’s quite something but I did hear there is going Eskimo rebellion and that’s probably what it’s all about.
Jackie: Yeah, an Eskimo rebellion.
Alan: We set up communist Russia. We set up and financed communist China. We gave China – well, we didn’t give it,
but the boys that run us gave China all the industry, so who on earth is there anyway that’s going to do all of this chaos?
Jackie: All we have to do is look at the Trading With the Enemy Act here in the U.S. and we see that according to the
U.S. government incorporated that we the people in America are the enemy.
Alan: Yes, that’s right. That makes sense. Because that’s what the Soviets did. The Soviets really had no or the
Bolsheviks had no real enemies once they had their borders and to contain people, and Lenin said it, to contain people
and make them obedient you must have a reign of terror within and of course that’s when they started looking within for
terrorists. The same thing in the French Revolution until it go so carried away in the French Revolution that if you
looked at someone the wrong way you were a terrorist and had your head lopped off, but this is the same thing. For
them to maintain complete control in a global society under one government, they have to create this so-called terrorism
within. You know the Goldstein of 1984. Who was Goldstein? Goldstein leads the terrorists. Where are they? They’re
everywhere and that’s what they have to do. This is an old science and they’re simply using the same techniques again
and eventually they’ll convince a lot of the general public after they’ve introduced the psychological testing that they’re
potential terrorists and they didn’t know it. And the people will thank them for protecting them.
Jackie: Like they tell young children today that they’re homosexuals and I recall this so clearly. It was on the news and
they did this testing in school and a 14-year old boy, they told him he was homosexual and when they asked him how he
felt about it, he said I don’t know because I didn’t know I was. But possibly that boy believed them, Alan.
Alan: Lots of them are doing it because they’re being told – I mean you wouldn’t believe how indoctrinated in sexuality
we are prior to even puberty by adults with agendas and they tell them that if you haven’t tried this there might be
something wrong with you.
Jackie: Then we have the President’s New Freedom Commission here. New freedom, don’t you love that?
Alan: Oh, it’s wonderful.
Jackie: And that’s the commission that is going to do the screening across the nation – mental health screening and we
know just like Winston Smith. We’re mentally ill if we think for ourselves.
Alan: It’s thought crime.
Jackie: It’s dog training?
Alan: It’s thought crime.
Jackie: Oh, thought crime.
Alan: And of course Winston when he was picked up and taken to the Ministry of Love, same thing. That’s where they
torture you. He met his next-door neighbor and his neighbor said, “don’t come near me Winston” (of course he was a
prisoner too). He said, “don’t come near me Winston. I’ve just found out that I’m a thought criminal.” He said, “I didn’t
know it myself but my daughter spotted it. Thank God she caught me in time before I did anything.” And that’s what it
will come to here.
Jackie: Yes it is.
Alan: And people will thank them.
Jackie: For telling them that they’re mentally ill?
Alan: Yes. You have these subconscious aggressions against different things and you might act on them and so we’ve
caught you in time and here’s the medical regime and here’s the pills that you take and here’s the office you check into
every week for analysis. That will become the norm, only for a while until we get the brain chip out there, which they
have. At the Loyola University Meeting that your tax money paid for, the geneticists and the biotech engineers who
were there from all over the world said that they have this partial protoplasmic chip all ready to go and it will be inserted
in to the brain and it will interface with your cerebral cortex. Basically, everyone will be hooked up to regional
computers and you won’t be able to imagine yourself as an individual anymore. It will be more like the beehive. In other
words, it will be like the Borg in Star Trek. However, they’re selling the idea, and they said that at that meeting, that all
novels, cartoons, and movies will incorporate this in their story lines to make it a thing that the public will want; and
sure enough, there’s whole bunch of movies just been released to do with brain chips and applications and how
wonderful it can be. That’s how you program the public to accept things.
Jackie: I would like you to say again what you said about the chip because that can slide by somebody. This chip that
actually blends with your own tissue, yes?
Alan: That’s right. Your body will not reject it because it’s made of some type of protoplasm which is the same as the
human type and it was invented in Japan. Some of your listeners may remember maybe 10 years ago when I think it was
Sony Corporation announced that they had created a form of computer composed primarily of protoplasmic brain type
cells and silicon chips interfaced, they all work together, so this has been tried and tested. They have it all ready to go at
the Loyola University meeting they said – and Newt Gingrich was there. He led off the meeting but they said all they
have to do now is convince the public of the need to take it and of course they’re going to use this fear of terrorism to
advance it.
Jackie: Yes. While you’re talking I’m going through my Homeland Security file because I’ve got that report, the CFR
Phase III Report on National Homeland Security, and Alan, they said something in this. I couldn’t believe it and it was
towards the last of it, just exactly what you’re talking about. I couldn’t believe that they actually – well, you go ahead
because I think I’m pretty close to where it is and this report by the way was done in what was it, Alan, 1998, 1999 and
let me see. Oh, excuse me, the final draft came on the 31st of January 2001 but that was Phase III of it. This thing
started sometime in 1998 or 1999 and then of course right after 9/11 out it came and then we got our Department of
Homeland Security.
Alan: This was also planned way in advance and even in Canada here the most senior civil servant in Ottawa who
helped draft up the negotiation books for the Free Trade Negotiations, which were the precursors of the NAFTA, she
came out afterwards and told the public they’re merging the entire continent starting in 2005 and that’s exactly what
they’re doing.
Jackie: All of this has been going on while the mainstream media pushed Terri Schiavo. Here is a wrap-up if I could on
their 14 points. They’re just very short, all of them. We arrived at these 14 conclusions. Now listen to this. Listen to this.
I know I’m away from the mike. Listen to their conclusion.
“1. The United States will become increasingly vulnerable to hostile attacks on the American homeland and U.S.
military superiority will not entirely protect us.
2. Rapid advances in information and biotechnology will create new vulnerabilities for U.S. security.
3. New technologies will divide the world as well as draw it together.
4. The national security of all advanced states will be increasingly effective by the vulnerabilities of the evolving global
economic infrastructure.
5. Energy supplies will continue to have major strategic significance.
6. All borders will be more porous. Some will bend and some will break.
7. The sovereignty of states will come under pressure but will endure as the main principle of international political
organization.
8. The fragmentation and failure of some states will occur with destabilizing effects on entire regions.
9. Foreign crisis will be replete with atrocities and the deliberate terror rising of civilian populations.”
Isn’t that what we’re doing over in Iraq today?
Alan: Oh, I’d say so.
Jackie: “Space will become a critical and competitive military environment.” (And listen to this). “The essence of war
will not change. U.S. intelligence will face more challenging adversaries and even excellent intelligence will not prevent
all surprises.”
So they warn us right up front that no matter how many of your liberties and freedoms that we take away, you’re not
safe, folks.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Well anyway. Oh here. “The United States will be called upon frequently to intervene militarily in time of
uncertain alliances and with the prospect of fewer forward deployed forces.” (And then here’s another one). “The
emerging security environment in the next quarter century will require different U.S. military and other national
capabilities.”
Here, listen to this. This is what I was looking for, I think.
“The commissions stressed on communicating the scale and pace of change has been borne out by extraordinary
developments in science and technology in just the 18-month period since the Phase I Report appeared. The mapping of
the humane genome was completed. A functioning quantum computing device was invented. Organic and inorganic
material was mated at the molecular level for the first time.”
Isn’t that what we’re talking about, Alan?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: “Basic mechanisms of the aging process have been understood at the genetic level. Anyone of these
developments would have qualified as a breakthrough of the decade a quarter century ago but they all happened within
the past year and a half.”
Alan: Yes, what a joke.
Jackie: And there’s just a couple of more here. It says: “This suggests the possible advent of period of change the scale
of which will often astound us. The key factor driving change in America’s national security environment over the next
25 years will be the acceleration of scientific discovery and its technological applications and the uneven human social
and psychological capacity to harness them. Synergistic developments in information, technology, material science,
biotechnology and nanotechnology will almost certainly transport (listen to this) transform human tools more
dramatically and rapidly than any time in human history. While it is easy to underestimate the social implications of
change on such a scale the need for human intellectual and social adaptation imposes limits to the pace of change. These
limits are healthy for they allow and encourage the application (listen to this) of the human moral sense two choices of
major import. We will surely have our hands full with such choices over the next quarter century. In that time we may
witness the development of a capacity to guide or control evolution (listen, let me do that again). In that time, we may
witness the development of a capacity to guide or control evolution by manipulating human DNA and the ability to join
organic and inorganic material formed prospects are both sobering and contentious.”
Wait, I missed a sentence. “The ability to join organic and inorganic material formed suggests that humans may evolve
literally with their own machines. Such prospects are both sobering and contentious.”
Alan: These inventions were made long ago.
Jackie: I want our listeners to know that this report – this Phase III Report, I’m pretty sure it is. They said it, to merge
human and organic and inorganic.
Alan: That basically is the chip too. In other words, they’re talking about the cyborg as well. Part human, part machine
and of course I don’t know if you noticed that movie they put out again, “Artificial Intelligence.”
Jackie: That was sad.
Alan: It also is to leave the person with the subconscious question of what is human anyway. In other words, if a robot
can adopt human qualities can we therefore classify them as the new humans; and before you know it, our minds have
been made up for us primarily through all the fiction that we’ve watched.
Jackie: And not only that, but there will be possibly a compassion for these creatures that are being created.
Alan: Oh yes and the whole law industry for civil rights and all that.
Jackie: Oh yes. Well remember was it the “Millennium Man,” was that it, with Robin Williams?
Alan: That’s right. See they’ve already given us a scenario.
Jackie: Tell our listeners about that.
Alan: Yes, well that’s the same idea that the guy starts off as a superior type robot and goes through his long, long life
and eventually wants to become human because he’s adopted all these qualities and then he goes to court to demand they
have the same rights.
Jackie: And it was the world court and it was a three-man panel. Remember that?
Alan: Yes, so all of this drama is predictive programming. That’s what they call it and our conclusions are given to us
primarily through fiction in advance of the actual events so that we react to these events the same way as the characters
in the movie. We accept it in other words and that’s the Tavistock method. It’s an old method.
Jackie: But they have such a slick way of presenting it, because if you recall when he was up there before the court to
get his certificate of what, humanity – what was he trying to get?
Alan: To be a human being and a citizen.
Jackie: Yes and he was a total cyborg or whatever you call it, but then one of the judges says well I have an artificial
heart and my father had an artificial gizzard or whatever, and basically you sat there and listened to that and you
thought, yeah, sure.
Alan: That’s how they program you.
Jackie: Exactly. Well I could see it though. That’s one of the beauties of actually knowing. That chapter out of that book
that I read to our listeners the last few nights, it’s exactly what it talked about is knowing about the darkness. Knowing
the darkness because other than that, how are you going to shed light into it, Alan?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: And you’ve been very much of a blessing for all of us to open our eyes, open our minds. It’s not been easy at
times. You know that, don’t you?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Because there was that spell that I went through for I don’t know how long where I thought I was in some other
place and there was nothing that I looked at that looked real to me and it was such a confusing place to be, Alan, but
somehow we settle in with that, don’t we?
Alan: Yes, that’s right.
Jackie: Sort of like an initiation.
Alan: Most people actually float through their lives through all the changes in almost a dreamlike state – just like they
floated through the transfer of all industry to China. Most people sort of vaguely remember something about that but
they’re not quite sure, even though everything is made in China and it never dawned on them why was it a mandate for
American and Canadian business to be moved to China? I mean this is coming from the top. They float through their
lives and the changes and they accept that. Plato talked about this whole scenario 2,400 years ago and of course they
were part of the Mystery Religion of his day and they talked about the perfect state, which was a prototype of the perfect
world state, where they would create – the guardian class, that’s the elite who run the whole show, would have this
lesser elite of “technocrats” you might call them.
Jackie: Those would be the minions?
Alan: The technocrats would be the high bureaucrats and the scientists combined, and then they have the people below
them that do all the work and they would breed these people just like they bred hybrid animals for specific tasks. They
would mate them up with specific women, and for tall guys that would pick apples for instance and the small squat guys
who would do mining, and they said this is the perfect society and the majority of the people in Plato’s “Republic” were
not called people. They were called ITS.
Jackie: ITS?
Alan: Yes, you’re either a human being or you’re an IT.
Jackie: Only you were a human being if you were part of the elite?
Alan: Yes and everyone else was an IT, and of course that’s another way of using aristocracy and nobility and the
commoners. The commoners are the ITS, you see, so nothing has changed.
Jackie: Maybe we’re mankind and they’re ITS.
Alan: Well, they’re not an IT. They are an infection that shouldn’t be here. They are THE infection. They are the
deviants, a deviant species.
Jackie: When we say “they,” are we talking about the royal Khazars?
Alan: It’s all royalty across the planet in all countries. You’ll find that the Japanese ones have connection with the
British ones and so on going way, way back for thousands of years before even the Khazars.
Jackie: And their ancestors had red hair probably?
Alan: Some of them certainly did, we know that, even the ones going into China with some of the mummies of these
red-haired people. Of course, this all stems really from what they called the Aryan race that came into India and also had
links with Iran and other parts of the Middle East.
Jackie: Okay. I don’t understand this Aryan race thing. We’re going to take a 60 second break here. Well, that took 10
minutes but we don’t do that often, have all these long commercials, and besides that, they’re worthwhile, aren’t they,
Alan?
Alan: You know the people eventually won’t need to use shortwave because they’ll have the chip in their head and
they’ll have music playing all the time, elevator music.
Jackie: Or rap.
Alan: Well, it will be rap for the military because they’ve got to be aggressive. For the public it will be elevator music.
Jackie: I remember you saying that you saw a news thing when they were sending a shipload of America boys, young
men, women, girls over to Iraq and they had war paint on their faces.
Alan: The guys had their shirts off and some of them had baggy pants on.
Jackie: And doing and rap music and dancing and you said that the thought that came into your mind was they’re
sending the barbarians over there.
Alan: Yes, we’re sending the barbarians into one of the oldest civilizations in the world and this barbarian generation
was deliberately created to do just this.
Jackie: Generation X.
Alan: They were dumbed down, given video games to kill, kill, kill. The state gave them whatever values they desired
and their boss is their paymaster and they’ve got the most primitive form of music ever devised – scientifically devised
and it works very well.
Jackie: The primitive music, the piercing of the body in all places, it takes us right back to the jungle to primitive man.
Alan: You always get that appearing when you have a generation for warfare. The pirates too, when they were big, they
also pierced themselves and put rings and so on.
Jackie: More than just their ears?
Alan: Yes, and of course the pirates were all Masons anyway because that was the symbol of their flag.
Jackie: Well, wait a minute now. You’re not talking about all of them onboard ship, but you’re talking about the pirate
captains, yes?
Alan: You also had them with the mates right down to the long-term crew. Eventually they’d join it as well. In fact if
you ever see Gilbert & Sullivan’s movie “The Pirates of Penzance,” or the stage play or whatever, written in the late
1800’s, you’ll actually see a sort of mock ceremony onboard the pirate ship of the Masonic initiation.
Jackie: “The Pirates of Penzance”? Would you spell that?
Alan: It’s P-E-N-Z-A-N-C-E, I think it is. That’s just at the course of Cornwall in England. That was one of their big
bases, but you’ll see the apprentice sailor with his shirt open, his breast exposed, one of his trouser legs rolled up and
torn and I think wearing one shoe and so he’s all ready for the initiation. Then they lay him on the Skull & Bones flag
and they pulled him up three times, so that’s him now a Master Mason you see.
Jackie: Just waiting for the wool to be pulled over his eyes?
Alan: Yes, and of course Gilbert & Sullivan were high Masons. We see these things all the time but the public don’t
know what they’re really looking at and it’s no different from the movies they churn out today. They’re always mocking
the public and programming them at the same time. Again, going back to Plato, he said, “we have the ability (meaning
the aristocracy) since we give the people their culture; culture does not come from the bottom up. It comes from the top
down.” And he said, “We can change the culture and all the values in one generation and the people involved who lived
through it won’t even notice the change.”
Jackie: Alan, this thought came to me while we were on the air one night. The biodiversity treaty treats humankind,
mankind as organisms. In other words, we are no different than above or below. All organisms are the same including
the lowest amoeba, and you were talking about this, how they culture us, and then it occurred to me in the pictures that I
get in my mind that the world is their Petri dish. We are the organisms that are being cultured.
Alan: When the Phoenicians went into new lands they had a whole routine that they went through to entice the public
down to the beach where they’ll lay out presents and then go back into their boats and watch. They studied the public of
a new nation, a new people and they watched their tribal habits and they called it “customs,” and that’s why you have
customs ports at every port nowadays and that’s what they did. By understanding the cultures you can interfere and take
over the people and the Phoenicians ended up enslaving most of the little villages they took over and turned them into
almost semi-automatic production facilities for different items.
Jackie: Like they are today.
Alan: Yes. This is an ancient technique and they had their international bankers went with them even as long ago as
2,500 BC.
Jackie: What were they using for “money” back then?
Alan: In the beginning they used gold and silver powder and they weighed it and ingots too. It was all done by weights.
In fact in Sumer around 5,000 BC you had the standard weights which we still use today. What they were doing at that
time was wherever they went to new countries, they introduced their money system where none had existed before
because people bartered when they were free. Then they set up a branch office, a bank, introduced their gold and
eventually it became of course coin and then told them to put their coin in the bank and they gave them clay facsimiles,
just like paper money.
Jackie: That was back in that era?
Alan: Yes and once they done that they shipped the gold and silver back out of the country to the major religious
temples in the Middle East and those were the banks.
Jackie: I’ve become real intrigued with the question about gold, gold more than silver. I got some information mailed to
me by one of our listeners quite a while ago and it told about the use of gold for many – well, I shouldn’t have even
brought it up because I cannot recall, but it went far beyond using gold as “money” or a means of exchange or riches or
wealth, but there’s something to gold that’s very important to them.
Alan: I know. There’s a whole bunch of stuff out there put out by Gardner from one of the Masonic institutions in
England. I mean I’m telling you the people on the internet who phone me swallow everything that’s out there.
Jackie: Okay. Well, I’m not saying I swallowed it but maybe this is the same thing you’re talking about. But what are
you talking about?
Alan: The gold was simply – these guys had been into mining very early on. I’ve no doubt they learned it from long
before Sumer, they had to of, and they had a monopoly on their mines and so they got metals that were fairly rare, had
monopolies on them and forced that on the countries round about and overseas. As they were doing that, they were
creating an international standard of weights and measures and a value system.
Jackie: But what made them valuable?
Alan: Because they forced it on as a means of exchange instead of having real goods to exchange with others. It’s a
method of control.
Jackie: In other words, they could have chosen anything. They could have chosen nickel?
Alan: I don’t think they should have chosen anything at all. I think they should have left it.
Jackie: I didn’t say they should. I said they could have.
Alan: You see this is what it is. Nature should have been left the way it was. That’s the key to it.
Jackie: I understand that. All I’m saying is why they chose gold.
Alan: If it was something else that was as rare they would have used it. Sure they would have. Again, gold is often
along the same vein as you’ll find silver, it often turns into the gold further on in the same vein, so they had them both in
the one mine. You’ll find the Phoenicians–
Jackie: Silver turns into gold?
Alan: Silver will go alongside gold often.
Jackie: But it doesn’t turn into gold?
Alan: There’s a method – I mean even the white gold you see is a mixture of really the two. You see there’s an inbetween
and the two distinct ones and you often also find lead also around the same area, but you’ll find the Phoenicians
had mines as far as Russia thousands of years ago. What they did was create wars because once they had taken a country
over and introduced money, they would get the government, which they then owned, to create a standing army and then
they could just use money to pay them. Any country who didn’t go along and accept the same system, they would arm
them because they also owned the best weapons of the day, no different from today, and they would invade that country,
take it over and force the system on them. In those days they called it “civilization.” Today they call it “democracy.”
Jackie: You know Adolph Hitler was bartering. That was one of the things them drove him crazy because according to
what I have read, Germany had no gold left after the Weimer Republic and they created a script, just like Abraham
Lincoln did, but that they were actually bartering with other nations and they were bartering goods for goods and it
drove them nuts. You know what really confirmed it for me? I’ve got a speech here by Cordele Hull. It was on Labor
Day and it was when the U.S. – well, it was in 1941, Labor Day and he was talking about international trade and all this.
He said if this present war is not won we will be reduced to barter and I knew that he was talking about Adolph Hitler’s
barter system and that was driving them absolutely nuts because there were no trade deficits and there were
manufactured goods traded for food mostly.
Alan: Well, I still don’t believe that – I think every peoples get used you know. I really think they all get used. All the
nations get used. Even if you think you’re rebelling against them, they’ll put their own men in at the top and guide you
along the path.
Jackie: They put their spin on it too.
Alan: Because you’ll find that Hitler did have Schacht who was his banker and Schacht was a member of the German
and Dutch families that were big bankers. If you look at Roosevelt’s wife, Eleanor Roosevelt, she did a genealogical
chart of her husband in one of her books and you’ll find that FDR was related to the Schacht family as well.
Jackie: When you say Schacht, how are you spelling it?
Alan: I think it’s S-C-H-A-C-H-T.
Jackie: Oh, like shocked.
Alan: FDR was related to Hitler’s banker and the Dutch families as well of the Schacht and Germans, so everything is a
play and the public get used and the real theater of war is a theater. It’s a theater you see and to make people believe it
was all very real, real people must really die.
Jackie: Yes, but how many people were told by history in school that Adolph Hitler was bartering? You see, the things
that are hidden, Alan, are the things that to me maybe slipped out of their hands, maybe somebody. I considered the
same thing with Saddam Hussein, that maybe he was put in power by them. I don’t know but I see the possibility that
their minions got away with them. Look at JFK and I think he actually got to thinking that he was the president.
Alan: So did Reagan, that’s why they shot him.
Jackie: Yes exactly, but you see they put him in and I understand at that time that there was in Chicago or Illinois
specifically a lot of fraudulent votes to get JFK in, but he got in and then suddenly said what the hell is going on here
and so he thought he was the president so they killed him. So I’m saying that some of this people slipped through their
hands.
Alan: I think some of them also get carried away. I’ve no doubt Saddam did and no doubt Saddam never really looked
at the end of the Cold War because his whole power structure was based on being an American ally during the whole
thing.
Jackie: Well, because America – not America, we’ll say the U.S. government Inc., they were playing with him, I
believe.
Alan: They did finance him and they did give him weaponry.
Jackie: I know. That’s what I’m saying, but Saddam Hussein was attempting to develop a Pan-Arab collation.Well,
that’s something that Israel and the U.S. government isn’t going to stand for.
Alan: They’ve said that. They’ve said that publicly. Israel came out and said that the New American Century agenda
that was drawn up by Wolfowitz and Perle and Rumsfeld and so on, back in the ’90’s, with the agenda attacking first of
all Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Iran, then Syria. They said it was identical to their own. That’s what Israel said; so yes,
it’s one in the same policy. However, in ancient times, what the historians call “spreading civilization,” it was the same
system there as it created empire after empire and spread civilization. They were standardizing a system across the
world and today the U.S. is just completing that job and today they call it democracy.
Jackie: I think we ought to be really contemplating, really considering that we’re going to be some of the ones that slip
through their hands because everybody doesn’t fall for it, do they, Alan?
Alan: No. They know that in every generation there are some who, as they say themselves, “slip through the net,” the
ones whose indoctrination doesn’t take so well and they’re clever enough to remain free thinkers and hide it through
school. Today, of course, if you show it at school, they put you on drugs.
Jackie: You know what? For me if this broadcast does anything that it would be to open the eyes, open the minds, open
the hearts of our listeners that they would be part of the one that slipped through the net, Alan, and you are part of this.
You are so much a part of this of informing us and bringing us out of the Dark Ages, out of the forest.
Alan: People all claim that they want truth and I tell them – and most people want truth like buying a fast-food
hamburger and they don’t realize that they have to do a lot of work.
Jackie: Yes. We’re out of our hour. You’ll be back with us, won’t you, Alan?
Alan: Oh yes.
Jackie: Thanks for being here.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
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Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
April 13, 2005
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Wednesday
and it is the 13th of April in the year 2005 and Alan Watt is with us this evening. I had friend stop by.
Our spiritual message tonight is the pray of Saint Francis of Assisi:
“Father, make me an instrument of your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love; Where there is injury, let me so
pardon; Where there is doubt, faith; Where there is despair let me so hope; Where there is darkness, let me sow light;
And where there is sadness, joy. Father grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; To be
understood as to understand; To be loved as to love; For it is in giving that we receive; It is in pardoning that we are
pardoned; And it is in dying that we are born into eternal life.”
Alan, thank you being here tonight.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Always. How has your day been, besides the chemtrail spraying?
Alan: I got my truck stuck in the field.
Jackie: Oh no.
Alan: Yes. I was taking it out there to do some important stuff and it’s just not dry enough.
Jackie: So did you get it out?
Alan: No, I spoke to it quietly and left it there.
Jackie: Oh okay. So do you think it’s going to come in by itself now?
Alan: Well, I did tell it what would happen to it if it didn’t.
Jackie: You know what? These things can happen because last summer when the children were here, Brandon got a real
bad shock out on the porch and they were plugging in one of their players and instead of connecting the extension cord
and then plugging it in. He had already plugged it in and I was in the house. They said his hair stood right up on end. It
was a good one and it knocked out some fuses. Well, I got all the fuse things flipped back but my doorbell quit ringing
and I thought well there’s something in there. Something like a ballast and I thought well then maybe it’s a ballast and I
have to find the company and I was without a doorbell for I cannot tell you how long and then one day suddenly
someone came up and rang the doorbell and it’s working without doing anything to it. I like that. So maybe you’ll find
your truck up by the house in the morning.
Alan: Well, I did threaten it.
Jackie: But you did it quietly?
Alan: I did it quietly.
Jackie: Okay. Well Alan there’s something that I would like you to address tonight. I don’t know how to respond. I don’t
know that what I say or the way I say it or whatever it is that’s lacking or maybe it isn’t. Maybe it’s just difficult. The one
thing that initiated this is I got a call last night from a really nice man and I mean this sincerely and I know that it’s with
all of his heart the belief, but basically it was the same thing I get from people who are I guess it’s Christian or Israel
identity, but it isn’t Yahweh or Jehovah that god of the Old Testament. The name is wrong. It’s Yahweh; and Alan, what
is the difference?
Alan: Well, to them it’s everything really and that goes way, way back into the Middle East where if you knew the exact
pronunciation of the entity or demon, then you would control it. That’s where it all stems from and of course it’s all
nonsense because if you’re talking to a creator I’m sure the creator is bright enough to know who you’re talking to.
Jackie: What about the part in the Old Testament where it says if my people – does it say know my name or something
about repent. I wished I knew it word for word. I don’t if you know which one I’m referring to, but I think a lot of stuff is
pinned onto that too. “If my people would say my name or know my name, call upon me, I will heal their land.” So
that’s to make people think that we have to have a name for Creator?
Alan: That’s pretty well it. It’s nonsense. If you are speaking to a creator that’s so dumb with a low IQ that if you get the
name wrong and he doesn’t hear you, then I think you’re praying to the wrong entity because obviously anything that
was a creator knows exactly who you mean.
Jackie: But this goes along with the fact that it wasn’t the Jews that was the chosen, it was the white Anglo-Saxon and
there’s a lot of evidentially research that people have done in the bloodlines and people from back in that area and so
what it comes down to this is. It comes down to believing that Creator would choose a special people and we’re to rule
the world. Rule the world. It says in there, Alan, that you are going to loan to nations and borrow from none and it also
says to a special people that they cannot loan money and charge usury to their fellows but they have to charge usury to
the stranger or the goyim. Well, how is this reconciled in people’s minds or is there something that at least to plant a
seed that would get them thinking, Alan?
Alan: Their thinking would have to overcome their conditioning. That’s the problem and they’ve been so heavily
steeped in this stuff from childhood that for many of them it’s impossible to break that barrier.
Jackie: A lot of people who are Christian identity I don’t think it’s necessarily from childhood. It is what they’ve
deduced from whoever – this came from British Israelism, didn’t it? The Israel identity or Christian identity? What is
British Israelism?
Alan: It began in the 1800’s with one man who was a bit of a nutcase to begin with. In fact he ended up in a psychiatric
hospital for the rest of his days.
Jackie: Do you know a name?
Alan: I can’t quite remember the guy’s name but he actually demanded that the king and queen of England dethrone
themselves and put him in power because he believed that he was closer to the bloodline that was mentioned than they
were, you see, so they locked him up. However, then the World Zionist federation realized this could be an aid in their
plans and so they pushed it ever since and you’ll find that the World Federalist Society–
Jackie: World Federalist or World Zionist?
Alan: World Federalist Society is the exact same address in every country as the World Zionist Society. It’s one and the
same outfit. They’re using religion once again to verify the Old Testament and to bring Israel up to be the basically the
capital of the planet.
Jackie: And going along with that, isn’t it the second coming, the coming of Jesus, and I don’t know if this is British
Israelism or Israel identity but that Jesus is going to have his throne right there in Jerusalem.
Alan: It’s all part of the plan and you see behind religions you’ve had people who conned everyone for thousands of
years so they do certainly know the techniques to use and they could pull it off. They could certainly pull it off; but if
you go into the Old Testament, Jehovah or Yahweh is a latecomer. He comes on the scene after the Elohim and the
Elohim are the creators you might say, so definitely Yahweh was a local deity that was then pushed – in fact he was the
volcano god and he was eventually pushed up to overtake everyone else, not by Jews but by the ruling governments of
the day.
Jackie: The priesthood?
Alan: Yes and Constantine I’m sure had a few good chuckles at that one because he was steeped in all the mystery
religions and even though he’s given the accolades for bringing Christianity to the fore, he did not make Christianity the
religion of Rome. He simply stopped the persecution of it and prior to doing that he created his own temple of the
Mithraic Cult – he was a Mithraic disciple, a form of Masonry you might call it. He also created a church where you
could go in, like all Caesars, and worship him in his own church, so he was worshipped as a god. He had insurance
policies out with every mystery religion and so he used this religion, the Christian religion, to further the cause, which
was again to lead eventually to world government.
Jackie: I’ve mentioned this on the air before because I don’t really understand all of the writings that are attributed to
things of Jesus but there are some that are so simple and that you just absolutely know is true. You know, how to live.
Do unto others. That is it, Alan. As you sow, so shall you reap. I take that literally and for people to think that okay if I
say a certain amount of hail Mary’s or the priest or I pay enough, well the Lord knows that I’m a weak sinner and Jesus
died for my sins so I’m okay because I repent and then you do it again and repent again and it really gives people a cop
out. But far beyond that, the way I see it, the way it appears to me, is that it has created that separation – that perceived
separation between each of us and our Creator.
Alan: Long before Christianity the mystery religions had always been around and they knew from time immemorial
that man would always seek out his Creator. He had a yearning to be in touch with the all or whatever name they gave to
it and then they exploited it. The priesthoods actually exploited this natural need you see and of course out of the need
they create dogma, and from the dogma they make rules and laws and enslave the minds of the people.
Jackie: And if you don’t buy into the dogma you’re a heretic; and I remember saying that on the air. Actually it was
sometime in ’98 and why I remember that is because it was still daylight when I was doing the broadcast at the time. But
I said I just want you all to know that I am a heretic, and by the definition in the dictionary, that I do not ascribe or
subscribe to the religious doctrine and the religious dogma that we have been taught. I had somebody call me and say
that’s a terrible thing to say about yourself. In other words, it’s terrible to be a heretic.
Alan: “Heretic” comes from “hearsay,” and that’s what they forbid the public to do, was listen to hearsay; and from
“hearsay” you have “heresy.” That’s where it comes from, so you were forbidden to listen to any kind of hearsay or
heresy and if you did then you were a heretic. It’s a fantastic form of mind control to do with guilt-tripping and sin of
course and it’s been exploited and used by professionals for thousands upon thousands of years. It’s all mind control, all
of it.
Jackie: I remember when Rick, what was his name, Wiles, was actually on this hour on this shortwave frequency at 9
p.m. Eastern time and Lilly listened to him and taped the thing one day and called and let me hear it. This basically was
his message because he used to do news and tell all the terrible things that were going on, but then he’d say but that’s
okay, I see what’s going on out there, I know what’s going on but it’s okay because I know that it’s the time Jesus is
coming, see. Then he says come on Jesus and establish your throne in Jerusalem and I am going to be there right in the
front row worshipping you and following you. It seems that the kingdom on earth is the message that has permeated
throughout a lot of these religions, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Alan: Of course the history of the Witnesses was began by–
Jackie: Charles Taze Russell
Alan: And he’s buried under a pyramid.
Jackie: “34 holy,” I was at his pyramid. I have photographs of them, Alan.
Alan: Yes and it’s right opposite the Masonic Lodge and of course the whole idea of the “Russellites,” as they called
themselves, was that the Gentiles had blown it with all their wars and the goal was to bring the time of the Jews to rule
the world. That was part of the Russellite philosophy.
Jackie: Oh, you’re kidding.
Alan: In fact Balfour who gave the Balfour Declaration said the same thing. If you read the whole declaration, and
generally you’ll see only part of it published, but if you read the whole thing he said the same thing that the Gentiles
have blown their ability for salvation, were unable to handle freedom and therefore the Jews had the right to rule.
Jackie: I had never read the whole thing then because what I have that I was under the impression that this was the
Balfour Declaration, basically it just said that a home there will be established for the Jews. However, it said something
about that this would not encroach upon the people who are living there already, the Palestinians.
Alan: Well, they are nice liars.
Jackie: Yes I know that but that’s all I’ve got.
Alan: I’ve got the whole thing and don’t forget too, it was not a British government document. It was a personal letter to
Baron Rothschild, so it was never debated in Parliament in Britain. This was a managed thing between Rothschild and
Balfour; but that was the scheme of it all, was that “look, you Gentiles just can’t handle it so it’s only right that Jews take
over.” H.G. Wells who was also a front man for MI6 and who was given most of his material that he wrote his stories
around, H.G. Wells also categorized the races that should be allowed to live and the ones that would have to be
exterminated, long before Adolph Hitler came along. He said that the British Crown had decided that Jews because of
their survival abilities and their ability to handle this economic system would be allowed to survive alongside the
aristocracy of Britain.
Jackie: You’re kidding.
Alan: No.
Jackie: So their ability to handle it. They’re the ones that – well, the elite are the ones that created it, aren’t they, way
back in ancient times?
Alan: Oh yes, it’s always been the elite of course. When you read into the books, H.G. Wells wrote the first set, it was a
two-volume set called “The History of the World,” and he lays out there the races that would have to be destroyed
because they could not come into this new order, which was an economic system, and he said that the red man would
have to be killed off by diseases and so would the blacks. He also had the Irish in there, by the way.
Jackie: Why the Irish?
Alan: Because the Irish have a temperamental streak where they don’t like to go along with systems and the only ones
that would be allowed to survive would be people who would conform to an economic system, and that’s the key to
everything is the economic system. We under law exist to serve the economic system and not the other way around.
They wrote a lot of their agenda openly back in the early 1900’s and put down in that agenda the races that would have
to be eliminated.
Jackie: When you read enough different stuff you know that you keep seeing these connections. And in the Protocols of
course their world court it looks like it’s already built there in Israel but they say that their king despot of the blood of
Zion is going to be the Pope of the world. Now I was sharing with out listeners last night a thing that I got on the
different popes but there’s something here that I didn’t get to and I think it’s part of our conversation now and I’d like to
share it. He was talking about the scandals of the child molestation and he said:
“Notwithstanding the scandal and shock of the aforementioned, Rome carries on quietly with her program of world
dominion. They lead the competition to establish the first one world system that has ever existed. Their ultimate goal is
global religious syncretism, and to eventually wield control and authority over every individual on earth. The human
solidarity goals of the Roman Church are identical to the goals and objectives of the United Nations. This is why they
are such a perfect fit. Rome only gives the appearance of objecting to the UN agenda. At the 1996 World Food Summit
in Rome, Cardinal Angelo Sodano fledged the holy seas support for the UN humanistic programs of action. Rome also
has designs on Jerusalem.”
Now this is where the connection comes in.
“For 46 years after Israel’s rebirth the Vatican refused to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist. But Rome wants to exert
premier influence over Jerusalem, which will one day function as the capital of her World Church. In a 1993 letter to
the Pope, Shimon Peres promised to internationalize Jerusalem granting the UN political control of the Old City and the
Vatican hegemony over the holy sites within. This was confirmed by the Italian newspaper La Stampa. In March 1995
the Israeli radio station Arutz Sheva was leaked a cable from the Israeli Embassy in Rome, confirming the hand over of
Jerusalem to the Vatican. The future Pope will establish his throne one day within the walls of the rebuilt Temple in
Jerusalem. It is from here that he will rule his World Church.”
That reminds me that the king despot of the blood of Zion is said that it will be the Pope of the World and it says and
there’s just another paragraph here.
“And this day may not be as far off as many believe. The cornerstones for the Third Temple have already been
quarried by the Jewish group known as the Temple Mount Faithful. They are extremely well financed and organized.
They have also produced priestly vestments in accordance with scriptural outlines and are presently attempting to breed
a perfect red heifer in anticipation of the coming dedication ceremonies. Obviously, Rome and the Temple Mount
Faithful are headed for a showdown.”
I don’t think so. Do you, Alan? I don’t think there is going to be a showdown.
Alan: No, I wouldn’t think so.
Jackie: Okay. Here’s the last. “In a letter sent to the Vatican in January 2004, the Temple Mount Faithful demanded that
Pope John Paul return the Temple Menorah and other vessels and treasures removed in 70AD by Titus and taken to
Rome, where they are presently held within the Secret Vatican Archives.” And that’s the end of the article and this was
written by some guy in Toronto, but I think there’s a lot of truth in here except that there’s going to be a show down.
This last pope according to many sources his mother was a Jew. He went to Israel and apologized on behalf of all
Christians for the terrible persecution of the Jews that have taken place over the last 2,000 years, so the guy was a Jew.
Alan: He also worked for I.G. Farben just prior to World War II.
Jackie: Yes. I understand that he became a Catholic in order to escape whatever and he became a cardinal and the next
thing you know he’s a pope. There’s not going to be any showdown. Their puppets are being put in place right now.
Alan: Sure, the Catholic Church was always used for this. In fact if you look at some of the big names of Catholic
popes, they were also world bankers in their own right.
Jackie: I was telling our listeners last night about this beautiful book I have written by David Yallop, I think his name
was. It was titled “In God’s Name” and it was about Pope John Paul I that was in only for 33 days and he was going to
get rid of Marchinko the Vatican banker because he found out that they had laundered a billion, 900 and some million,
dollars of bad bonds through the Vatican church. It was the night before when he handed these instructions to the
Secretary of State, which he had actually inherited from the previous pope, and the author said that the guy begged the
pope not to do this, evidentially knowing what was going to happen, and he said I want this done. Marchinko was some
bishop or cardinal and the next morning he was found dead. He was poisoned.
Alan: He was going to make a speech that day, too, to ban freemasonry in the Vatican.
Jackie: Yes. What is it called? 32P… 3P… 22?
Alan: There’s two 2’s.
Jackie: P2 freemasonry. Yes, that was mentioned. We have to take our 60-second break here. This was a pope that
could have done some real good. He was going to get rid of the birth control ban for Catholics and they got rid of him in
33 days. Okay folks, we’ll be right back with Alan Watt.
Okay Alan, what were we talking about?
Alan: The fact is that organized religions have always been used for the purpose of control from the most ancient times.
Jackie: Oh yes, we were talking about Pope John Paul I.
Alan: If you really want to find mystery religion, you should look into the established churches because that’s where it
all began.
Jackie: You know the word pagan? Well, I looked it up one day. I got a whole bunch of dictionaries here and every
time Chuck found one in an old bookstore from all different areas and I look up the word pagan in every single one of
them, including 1828 whatever. Pagan, the word is connected with the word heathen and that is the person of the heath.
Pagan really means rural folks, but what the dictionary said is that they were people who did not come into the
organized church, the doctrine and the dogma of the church; and Alan, do you know that almost every single one of
them, one of the definitions of a pagan was a gentile? Now that kind of confused me. Can you explain that?
Alan: Sure. All ancient peoples had meaning in life. They had meaning from life. They lived the meaning of life and it
didn’t matter really where their source of inspiration came from. They lived their life and life has to be meaningful. If
you take away the meaningfulness of life, then you have robots and slaves and of course the organized religions were
intended and set up to do exactly that. The ancient people had special sacred spots all over the world and it meant
something to them. That’s all important you see.
Jackie: Yes and it wasn’t necessarily evil, was it, Alan?
Alan: No, not in the least. In fact, there was far less bloodletting with the so-called Pagani as there has been with
established religion. Established religion has been a horror show.
Jackie: Alan, what about the people now, I guess I have thought of them as pagans who sacrificed their children? Like I
remember reading in Hawaii they throw their babies into the ocean sacrificing them to the gods. Some of them when
they built a building, the four corners, before they put those posts in an infant was thrown in there; did that come from
the priesthood?
Alan: It came from Babylon. In fact, the archaeologists today who’ve worked steadily what was Babylon right into
Jerusalem have found no sign of a Jehovah type worship. What they have found is that the same exact system of
Babylon, where you kill children and often put them in an urn and you put them on each four corners to protect the
inhabitants. All this rubbish and nonsense about a great Judaic people who worshipped this Jehovah is absolute rubbish.
The truth is in the earth. The proof is there buried in the earth and in fact you can’t tell Judaism apart from the
Phoenicians who also did the same thing of killing first-born children and burying them in the four corners of the
structure. You see in the ancient times, even in Rome, the emperor himself, to open up land for building purposes he
would make the crossroads with the plows and he would plow an exact square and everywhere–
Jackie: Who did this?
Alan: The old Caesars.
Jackie: The Caesars themselves?
Alan: Yes. That was the law that they had to plow a square part of the land, with a plow, and wherever any structure
went up then a human sacrifice was given so that the mother goddess would not be offended. That was their belief
system and that was rampant – that same belief system is exactly the same as Babylon and Jerusalem and on and on you
go.
Jackie: This Caesar, are you speaking of in Rome?
Alan: In Rome and their empire, wherever their empire extended to, it was the same system because there is only one
mystery religion.
Jackie: You mean the Romans were doing baby sacrifices?
Alan: Yes and even today in the land of the so-called Phoenicians, which was the Holy Land basically–
Jackie: Okay. Tell me where that was?
Alan: That was the Holy Land. That was Jerusalem and round about Jerusalem.
Jackie: That was Phoenicia, huh?
Alan: Yes and the Greeks called the land of that area Phoenicia. South of them was the Edomites, but that land itself
was the Phoenicians.
Jackie: Aren’t the Edomites the ones the Jews supposedly are supposed to get rid of?
Alan: Well, you’ll find they were not too happy with anybody else. Everybody was their enemy basically. However,
what you find with the Phoenicians, and this is the key to it all, it’s an economic system and the Phoenicians were the
ones who lived in that area who always created an artificial island and that was their capital and from there they would
spread their system of commerce all over the ancient world.
Jackie: You mean somewhere out in the ocean they would create an island?
Alan: Yes, a man-made island.
Jackie: How do you do that, Alan?
Alan: They poured millions and billions of tons of soil and stone and so on and then they built their island.
Jackie: In other words, sort of like a shoal or something that was already fairly not deep, fairly shallow?
Alan: That’s what they did and they built it off of Joppa [Jaffa, Yafo] off the coast of Israel in the Mediterranean Sea
and that was their capital. Then they moved eventually to Venice. Venice is a play on Phoenician – Venetian,
Phoenician, same thing – and that was their capital of the world; Venice itself again was created by man, by the creation
of an artificial city, and so the MO [modus operandi] you can trace down through history wherever they go.
Jackie: Yes and this gets so confusing because I read a fairly long piece about Venice. I think it was Venice where the
Jesuits were supposed to be so powerful. Is that so, was it Venice?
Alan: They were definitely powerful because the Jesuits traveled even to ancient Japan. They created the warrior caste
of Japan. It wasn’t natural to that country. They actually gave them the Warrior Caste and they’ve done it wherever
they’ve gone. If you say–
Jackie: Phoenician and Venetian.
Alan: It’s the same thing, and the Phoenix bird dies every 500 years and it’s recreated in its own image.
Jackie: And that would be a takeoff on the Phoenicians?
Alan: That’s right. You’ll find if you say “Jesus” and then take it into the French, you have “Je Suis,” I Am. Jesuit is Je
Suis, same thing, “I am.” The whole thing is the mystery religion. All of it is the mystery religion.
Jackie: Now I have read that the one we know as Jesus but wasn’t really his name.
Alan: Jesus is a Greek term because the initial writers of the gospel wrote primarily in Greek and they had no problem
by saying ‘Son of Zeus,’ (Zeus, Iesous), because they were familiar with the son of Zeus, Hesus. The other name is
Apollo of course and Jesus is the sun. He is the sun. If you look a the King James Bible and you get a proper King
James Bible–
Jackie: You mean like the original one?
Alan: Yes. You’ll find that the accolades they give to King James says “you are the SUN.” King James is the SUN and
then talks about the late queen Elizabeth I who is the Eastern Star. That’s where the Eastern Star Lodge comes from.
That’s in all the original King James Bibles.
Jackie: All Masonic.
Alan: All Masonic. These guys have literally pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes for thousands of years. You look at
all the churches, they have a spire, which is the phallic symbol going right back to Egypt and it’s called ON. The phallic
symbol is called ON. It’s in the English language today. We use ON for an erection; and you walk through the phallic
symbol into the box and you walk through the vulva. That’s why you have what they call a “Norman Arch,” and you
walk through it into the church into the box and it always faces to the East where the sun comes up.
Jackie: Is this in the Catholic Church mostly?
Alan: It’s in all Christian churches.
Jackie: Are you saying then that all Christian churches that the entrance faces east?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Gosh, I never noticed that, Alan.
Alan: And the priest gets dressed up in his robe, which is a female dress, because he portrays the hermaphrodite, male
and female in one, because in the beginning God created man and woman; “in his perfect image created them both,”
which means (and this is in the Talmud) that the god they’re talking about is a hermaphrodite. It’s male and female in
one. They worship on Saturn’s day, which is Saturday, and that’s why they wear the black robe. When they wear the
black robe they are also ultimate law. They’re all law.
Jackie: Is that what the black robe means?
Alan: That’s what it means. It’s the law. That’s why judges wear the black robe. They are the law. They are Saturn.
When they sit on that bench above the people and there’s a bar in the way, they belong to the bar, they are speaking as
gods. They are gods in the courtroom.
Jackie: In the courtroom. Well, how does law connect with black?
Alan: Again it’s the ancient system that predated Judaism and all the rest of them.
Jackie: You mean that’s what they did was wore black?
Alan: Yes and when they brought even Hebrews in for trial, this is how they said it: they held them by the “short and
curlies.” They held them by the you-know-what.
Jackie: The pubic hair?
Alan: By the B-A-L-L-S and if you lied they crushed it. The crushed your “manhood” and that’s where the “short and
curlies” comes from. This is all history. It is recorded history and we’ve been fooled for such a long, long time with all
this nonsense that we have not allowed ourselves to live. These guys who run this system know exactly where they’re
taking us and what they’re taking us to and they have decided that they want to eradicate that part of the mind, the brain,
which allows you to think of yourself as an individual.
Jackie: Okay. What part of the brain is that?
Alan: It’s your higher survival centers. Arthur Koestler worked for the United Nations. He wrote about it. He said we
will have to lobotomize that part of the brain that gives them their individuality because they won’t need it anymore
since the state will be making all their decisions for them.
Jackie: Are we talking about in the pituitary area? Like a frontal lobotomy?
Alan: It includes that. They’ve been right up front with their agenda.
Jackie: Alan, was it Arthur Koestler who wrote–
Alan: “The Thirteenth Tribe.”
Jackie: I know “The Thirteenth Tribe,” but what about “The Ghost in the Machine?”
Alan: “The Ghost in the Machine” is what they refer to for your ability to know yourself as a distinct personality.
Jackie: Wasn’t that a book?
Alan: “The Ghost in the Machine was a book, yes.
Jackie: Was it Arthur Koestler who wrote that?
Alan: Yes. He worked for the United Nations on a way to eradicate what they called “a problem of individuality.”
Jackie: So you know what had just occurred to me? These psychotropic drugs that they are putting everybody on, do
you think that does something with that frontal lobe of the brain? Do you think that’s the way of chemically
lobotomizing people, Alan?
Alan: They are doing that. That’s what the spraying in the sky is all about.
Jackie: Well yes, but besides the spraying in the sky, the psychotropic drugs that they’re putting so many people on and
so many children. Do you think that that is sort of like a chemical – I mean they actually get zombie-like in a sense.
Alan: When you put them on the drugs they’ve been put on, it actually shrinks the brain and what they’re doing is
eliminating all those people with leadership abilities who can convey what they understand and know and have learned
to other people. They’re eliminating them before they become a problem and this is not fantasia. It’s been written about
by the very people involved. It’s just that no one reads these books.
Jackie: So “The Ghost in the Machine” would be the actual soul or spirit of the individual?
Alan: It’s everything that makes you who you are. That’s what they mean and they’re doing it.
Jackie: I’ve always meant to get that book and I’ve never done it.
Alan: Arthur Koestler was quite candid about it. He believes in it of course. He worked for Stalin and then he came
over to the University of New York and taught the same theories there.
Jackie: Koestler was a Russian Jew?
Alan: Yes and then he also spent the rest of his life working on methods to eradicate that part of the brain that makes
you who you are; an individual.
Jackie: You know what just occurred to me, that people who live in cities that every opportunity that they get to leave
the city and find a place, Alan, that is where the birds sing and the crickets – there aren’t too many crickets around
anymore that I know of, but the little peeper frogs and the whippoorwills and the morning doves and the mocking birds
and just to get out and away from the artificiality of the city. When I had my business in Springfield, Illinois, I actually
lived 50 miles from work but it was sub-development you know down the highway and off the highway and into from
what they call the hard road and a beautiful 360 acres of woods and a little lake and to me it was just like heaven to be
able to escape there, but there were people in Springfield when they had a long weekend they would go to St. Louis and
I would go why are you going to St. Louis? Well, they’re going to go to a game and I go why don’t you go camping
someplace? It just amazed me the people who already lived in the city wanted to go to a bigger city for a vacation and I
really mean this folks. I truly mean this from the bottom of my heart, if you haven’t done it, take a vacation. Take a
weekend. Take your children, take yourselves. Get the hell out of the city and find a place where water runs, a little
brook, a stream, a river, but go someplace where there aren’t telephones. Buy a tent and go camping. Alan, how else are
people ever going to be able to get in touch with themselves?
Alan: Well, their time is running out because the agenda is there. It’s ongoing very quickly now and you will find that
those who are dead already, that they are dead in the world and the few who are truly awake are often caught up in the
confusion. There are very few people who are truly awake who’ve broken through all the confusion, but the agenda is
going on right now. Seti, the Egyptian pharoph Seti, was the one who put into effect the long-range plans to lobotomize
the public and that’s why you have “City.”
Jackie: Alan, we’re out of time. We’re out of our hour, let me put it that way. Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back with
you Monday. Alan, thank you for being here.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
April 19, 2005
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for being here tonight. This is Tuesday. It is the 19th of April in the
year 2005 and I hope that many of you are having a beautiful and delightful day as we’ve been having here in Millerton,
Pennsylvania.
Our spiritual message this evening is from John 18. We do this a lot, yes. In verse 37 when Jesus was having a
conversation with Pontius Pilate and Pilate asked him “are you a king” and Jesus said, “You say that I am a king. To this
end was I born and for this cause came I into the world that I should bear witness unto the truth. Everyone that is of the
truth hears my voice.”
And that’s pretty cut and dried. Alan Watt, thank you for being here tonight with us again.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: You know it is very difficult when you’re in a conversation that seems to be just rolling and moving fluidly, it’s
difficult to pick it up but I wrote down the words religiosity versus spirituality.
Alan: We know that religion means to “rebind” or to “retie” and since most religions, all religions really, have come
from preexisting religions, the elite that rule them simply updated them and called them something else and rebound the
people or retied the people to the new.
Jackie: Did you say it was the word ligio or legio?
Alan: Legio, yes.
Jackie: It’s a Latin word meaning to bind?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: So RE-LIGION to rebind? In other words, the same game just under a new name?
Alan: Yes, so that’s what religion is and religion also has always been used, with the hierarchy at the top symbolizing
the god or the heavenly; and then all of his helpers and priests down to the lowest priest; and then all about them are the
stars, the commoners, you see, the people, the masses; and so it was reconstruction of that which is above and bringing
it below, as the Masons say, and that’s what religion was made to do. That’s why in fact they use the solar symbols in all
of their religions including Christianity.
Now spirituality is a different thing all together. Without spirituality or humankind’s natural feeling for knowledge that
there’s something much bigger working things out there and it’s much, much bigger than themselves or any humans, the
ones that rule this earthy plane use that need and then pervert it into their own use by dominating the people, often by
terrifying them with visions of Hades for the Greeks and Hell eventually for the western Christians and sin of course,
which is a big thing. Religion itself is used to dominate and control the public to keep a minority in absolute wealth and
power and it hasn’t changed today.
Jackie: Sometimes maybe a conversation like this, people who – I’ve talked to a couple of our listeners recently and we
got into this conversation about whether or not we’re a “Christian” and I said I thought I always was but I realize now
I’m not. I never was. Not in the way that the “religion” of Christianity teaches or demands that we believe and yet it
takes nothing away from what true Christianity could have been if it wasn’t made into a religion.
Alan: That’s right. You see, the Christianity in the Gospels is simply eternal truths. Eternal truth never changes. It’s
eternal. It can’t mean something different in a different century or in a different millennium. These are eternal truths and
obviously if people followed the eternal truths, without priesthoods or ministers, you would not have this economic
system which we’re all slaves to, run by the money men and the power brokers and the war makers. It could not exist if
people could use their own natural humanity to each other and help each other out, and certainly it would also mean that
you wouldn’t have this high-tech society either. All the toys would be gone but we’ve been taught to equate progress–
Jackie: What do you mean all the toys would be gone, Alan?
Alan: All the toys that we take for granted today which we were told that would fulfill us basically. Every ad on
television tells you to buy this latest gadget and you’ll suddenly be smiling, and of course that doesn’t happen. However,
the big boys who run this system and who have a plan to conquer the whole planet and alter the planet through science,
including everybody on the planet, they’ve conditioned the public to believe that all these toys are good for us; and of
course the whole meaning of the allegory of Eden. Eden was the natural state. That’s what it meant, the natural state of
being; and once you leave the natural state of being, then you’re on a road to using science to create something better
(what you think is better), and yet it creates a dominant elite who control the system and who are in the process now of
conditioning the public to accept chips in their head.
Jackie: You know I just pulled up some email and there was an article, I don’t know who wrote it, about that within the
next decade 75 percent of the people could be chipped and here are the ways that it could happen. First of all, all school
children would have to be chipped. That’s for their own good and if you’re in the military you have to be chipped and if
you’re on social security or any type of government social programs you’d have to be chipped, you know for
identification. If you work for a private company that has government contracts you’d have to be chipped; and I’m
telling you, Alan, when you read this you see how actually, I’m afraid to say this, but how easily they could get people
to buy in to doing this.
Alan: When they had the World Meeting of the geneticists and biologists and the electronics technicians who worked
on the active chips at the Loyola University meeting two or three years ago, anybody who gets a hold of that should go
through it carefully because all the top scientists were there and some of the politicians were there. It was headed off by
Newt Gingrich and the U.S. Department of Commerce paid for it and yet the public weren’t even told about it.
Jackie: Was this the one where you said that they said that they could combine human cells with computers?
Alan: Yes. I think it was Sony Corporation and even in some magazines and newspapers over the last few years Sony
had created a form of protoplasm, human tissue in other words, combined it with chips and found that they could
transmit through both without any problem. Now what it enables them to do is to create a chip, which they can, and this
was all discussed at the Loyola University meeting, they have created the chip and part protoplasm will be inserted they
said – now these guys didn’t say we’d like to. They said this will be inserted in each individual’s head.
Jackie: In the brain someplace?
Alan: In the brain and it will interface with the main cortex and it would be able to transmit to every part of your brain;
make any part of your body move, for instance, and they said also that it will be run by a regional computer. There will
be regional computers in every region, which will operate each person’s mind for them, and one of them said–
Jackie: And I suppose that would be by programming, so they could take literally let’s say a certain group of people and
program them to be one way. They could let’s say select out an individual and program that individual to do certain
things?
Alan: Yes, specialized tasks and–
Jackie: I mean, Alan, could they go so far as to – I suppose this is speculation, but to have people either commit
homicides or suicide?
Alan: Oh, absolutely. In fact one of the top scientists there said, “This will be the end of individuality as we have
known it.” He said, “It will no longer be possible for the individual to even perceive of themselves as being an
individual.” He said, “It will be more like the hive.”
Jackie: That’s pretty arrogant. Then when you look at just that thing I just shared with you all about the different
reasons where they could justify and people would go along with it because their jobs are involved. It’s the way they
“make a living,” that they would say okay, I have to do this.
Alan: The thing is they went through that whole scenario in fact at the Loyola University meeting the different
techniques they would get the public to take the chip. They gave the time limit to have everybody chipped and they
want a good majority to be chipped by the year 2012 and all of them to be chipped by the year 2019. They said that
every kindergarten school, every novel writer would be given grants, film producers and so on, would be given grants to
write these things into their scripts to make the children want them. Already they’ve churned out movies since that
meeting about brain chips and showing you all the advantages they want you to believe you’ll have, where you could be
downloaded with information without having to study.
Jackie: You know probably one of the ways that they’ll use it first, to give that first impression of how miraculous this
is. A person who may be paralyzed and they could make this person be able to get up and walk and move, and people
would be gasping in awe at this wonderful and marvelous invention.
Alan: It’s so easy to do but especially when they convince youngsters that they’re going to be the guy Neo on the
Matrix, “I need a program right now for whatever, a helicopter,” and it just programs the pilot’s instructions right into
your head. Of course, it won’t be like that at all because, as they’ve said, the purpose is to eliminate individuality from
the public. They said in their heads, because they are all linked to central computers, you’ll hear vague whisperings of
other people’s thoughts and it will be more like the hive they said than a system of humanity. What it is actually is the
Borg in the Star Trek series.
Jackie: Which one is the Borg?
Alan: The Borg is the cyborg type human with the implant and the brain chip run by a central computer.
Jackie: He’s not one with the funny glasses?
Alan: Yes, they can have one eye as infrared or something, but that’s the Borg are and they’re laughing in our face
because the Borg means “original Bee,” you see.
Jackie: The original Bee. Now you’re saying that the world Borg itself means the original Bee?
Alan: The original Bee and even in the Star Trek series the Borg craft or space ship is called the Hive. They put it all in
front of our face through fiction, which programs us subliminally to be familiar with the idea, vaguely familiar with it,
and we don’t use our censor part of our brain when we’re being entertained, so we don’t critically analyze the outcome.
When they present the actual thing to us, because it’s vaguely familiar, we tend to go along with it; and that’s called
predictive programming from Tavistock Institute in England. However, these scientists did not hope to do anything.
They said what they were going to do, so they’ve been given authority from the higher sources to do this and so that’s
where science and leaving Eden, which is the natural state, that’s where it would always take you: to the same nonexistence
you might say.
Jackie: Yes. You could easily hear something like this and realize that the possibility is great that they could be
successful and it would be real easy to say well I’ll be out of there by then, but you think about all of the children, Alan.
Alan: I know and it’s literally the end of human consciousness.
Jackie: Well, you know what? They’re not going to be successful.
Alan: I know because there will be people who will resist taking it. Many will take it believing all the propaganda
they’re given that it’s going to enhance them and so on, but once that main switch is thrown one day they’ll all turn into
little robots and that is the function of it. When you go back to some of the elite’s writings in the past, such as “The Next
Million Years” by Charles Galton Darwin, Darwin’s grandson who was a physicist, he talked about this. He says we
must get rid of the excess commoners on the planet and he says those that we retain we must eliminate that part of their
brain which gives them their individuality, because it’s individuality which gives problems to the elite you see. It’s that
resistance spark within the individual which makes him resist ultimate powers, so they want to get rid of that and then
they’ll have their utopia.
However, Darwin himself said, “we, however, being the dominant minority, must retain our survival instincts and
therefore we will be left unaltered.” In other words, it will destroy our individual survival instincts and Arthur Koestler,
who worked on the same programs for the United Nations, in his book “The Ghost in the Machine” in the last chapter it
says the exact same thing. “We must eliminate individuality from the average person. However, we, the dominant
minority, must retain our survival instincts and therefore will remain unaltered.” This has been along worked out plan.
It’s what they call utopia you see.
Jackie: But they say that they’re the dominant minority.
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: But really aren’t they minions?
Alan: They’re the lower minions and if you go back as far as the plans given out by Plato in “The Republic” for this
perfect world state of theirs, Plato talked about the high aristocracy being called ‘The Guardians’ and the guardians
would be allowed to bring in some helpers from the lower class, who may see themselves as guardians but actually
would not be, so they’d be a higher helper. Then if we jump from there to Zbigniew Brzezinski’s book “Between Two
Ages” and “The Technetronic Era,” he goes into the same things about controlling each individual electronically, while
the dominate elite will remain unaltered.
Jackie: You know what I think? When we succumb to the lies of organized religion we are losing our individuality,
Alan.
Alan: That was the first attempt. You see the old method of controlling everyone was to have them all conditioned in
the same way. That’s a form of destroying individuality and that’s why they had the mass for the masses.
Jackie: For example, as you talk sometimes I write down a word or a thought and this is going back in our conversation,
but when you were talking about religion and that’s exactly what they were meant to do, I wrote down the word
contradiction and the word slavery, because for example in the gospel Jesus says very simply to do unto others or love
your God with all you heart, mind, soul and strength. Love your neighbor as yourself. Well now anybody who calls
themselves “a Christian” and then goes ahead and says it’s okay to have slaves. It’s okay, it’s in the good book, God
allowed it. Well, right there, Alan, I don’t mean to say that in such a condescending derogatory way either, but right
there when you see an absolute contradiction and you will accept both of them as true because it’s in the “good book,”
Alan, you’ve lost your individuality or at least you’re losing it. I don’t care how strict a food regime a person follows
and doesn’t eat ham and goes through all the food stuff and that makes them an individual. No, it doesn’t. It makes them
different than other people but it certainly doesn’t make them an individual.
Alan: No, and of course if you believe in the contradictions then you have doublethink as always there – the ability to
hold two opposing opinions on the same topic in your head at the same time.
Jackie: That’s true, both of them being true.
Alan: Of course, that again is like a robot that’s going crazy because it’s got conflicting dialogue.
Jackie: We have a call coming in. Shall we take it?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: Hello. You’re on the air.
Storm: I have a question for your guest.
Jackie: Sure. Who’s calling?
Storm: Storm from New York. You’re first name again, I’m sorry.
Jackie: It’s Alan Watt.
Storm: All right, Alan. Here’s what I want to ask you. I’m sure you’re aware they changed the $20 bill twice. That’s
what I was planning on getting to in a minute. You’re aware of the $20 bills.
Jackie: Yes he is.
Storm: Okay. There are two. They made one when Clinton was in office and then they redesigned it again. You know
the money is counterfeit anyway but this is the point to cut to the chase. If you were to take your thumb and your back
finger and press it over the left eye area of the face that was Grant’s or–
Jackie: Your thumb or your what?
Storm: I say your middle finger. You know the middle finger that let’s say people in college pick up the middle finger
and give the finger to you. That finger and your thumb and you press – put the middle finger in the back, put your
thumb in the front or vice versa and press part over a new $20 bill the one that has the different colors on it because
there’s two different versions you will feel the microchip that is over the left eye. And they don’t have them on the 10s
and they don’t have it on the 5 and they don’t have it on the 1–
Jackie: But it’s on the 20.
Storm: On the 50 and possibly the new 100.
Jackie: So what was your question?
Storm: I’m asking if he has ever heard of that because if you were to get one but it has to be the one that the newest
ones that look like they have cooking grease on them. They look even dirtier looking than the first new 20 or 50. They
have a chip in it. You can feel when you press on the right eye.
Jackie: Okay, we heard that.
Storm: Right. You don’t feel it. What they use that for is – what they do is if you are taking money outside the country
or really can’t take money outside–
Jackie: Storm, what you’re talking about I believe most of our listeners and of course Alan is aware of. In other words —
Storm: Most people don’t have the slightest idea.
Jackie: Okay, thank you Storm. Okay Alan, any comments there?
Alan: They’ve been using technology on the public very quietly for many, many years and they began to actually test
active chips embedded in people in the 1960’s and releasing the people who had no knowledge of these chips and then
they followed them down through their lives and caused them to do odd things at times and followed up how they
handled their incidences.
Jackie: But you’re not saying that since, did you say the 1960’s, that they were able to mesh – in other words, that
technology that you were telling us about, that they’re talking about, that they can now do, that they’ve been doing?
Alan: They’ve actually been doing but the chip that they implanted then was done on lots of servicemen who had minor
operations while in the service and then released.
Jackie: And how do you know this Alan?
Alan: Because when you read the psychiatric reports from Britain for instance you find that schizophrenia has specific
signs and symptoms and generally they were also a religious nature. Suddenly about 1960, long before computers, even
the word computer became common to the people, they had patients suddenly coming in diagnosed as schizophrenia,
having hallucinations and believing that they had a chip in their spine that was controlling them. The one thing they all
had in common was they’d all had minor operations while in the military and that was hushed up.
Jackie: Now this was actually in a medical report, in a psychiatric report?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Did they allude to the fact that there was a chip in these people?
Alan: Of course they didn’t and the psychiatrists didn’t because the head psychiatrist would obviously be in the know.
They had to be in the know but the thing was this was experimental models you might say and they could then treat this
person, convince them that they had schizophrenia and give them medication, then release them back into society and
then activate the chip again and make them do strange things. They have been definitely testing them but this new chip
that they claim that they have–
Jackie: Excuse me. Did the medical report, the psychiatric report also report that each one of them had had surgery
while they were in the military?
Alan: Yes, because they always have their backgrounds in all previous medical records. Now the thing is too, when you
tie it in with the CIA’s UFO deception, which they also plan to unleash on the public, and suddenly you have people
claiming they’ve got chips in their hands or in their nasal passages, in their sinuses. Then you find out there are some
surgeons who are taking these things out; they’re removing them and they can’t explain exactly what they are because
they tend to almost move when you try to move them when you pick them up. They have this protoplasmic coating on
them. Once again, I’m convinced it’s the authorities that have been doing this, since it’s the authorities who admitted they
wanted to do it to the whole planet. When then discussed this at the Loyola University meetings, the scientists never
said they would like to test this out. It was all taken a priori that they obviously had been tested out and worked. They
said their only problem was now to convince the public to accept it and that’s how far ahead they are.
Jackie: I remember you saying a long time ago that when they talk about a technology that they just discovered, they’ve
had it for a long time; and what you’re saying falls in line with that. We have to take our break. Alan Watt is our guest
tonight and as usual the conversation it gets intense, Alan, is what it does and I wasn’t – when you were talking about
the people who came in that had schizophrenia and thought that they had chips—I’ll hold that question. Hi, you’re on the
air.
Joe: Hello.
Jackie: Yes.
Joe: It’s Joe.
Jackie: Hi Joe. Speak up, honey.
Joe: Can you hear me now?
Jackie: Heck yes, that’s great.
Joe: You know talking about those implanted chips, I was listening to all this stuff today on the Oklahoma City
bombing and that brought back from my mind that Timothy McVeigh always swore he had a chip in his buttocks.
Jackie: In his hip. He did, didn’t he, Joe?
Joe: Yes, he always did and that guy William Cooper, you know that was killed and murdered in Arizona, he said that
he run into him and somebody else. Actually I can’t remember who the other guy was, but anyway they got into a
conversation and McVeigh wanted him to feel it because he acted like well I know you don’t believe me–
Jackie: Who? Cooper said he ran into McVeigh?
Joe: Yes. He said he run into him at a gun shop in [Sholoh] or whatever it was that he lived and he just said that
McVeigh – a was a couple of Mid-East, what do you call them, an Arab looking fellow was with him and they – of
course Cooper was well known and they had a real nice conversation.
Jackie: Speak up, Joe, please.
Joe: According to Cooper, McVeigh tried to get him to feel it and Cooper said I didn’t want to and so they’ve been
around. Nothing surprises me what they do, but anyway I just thought that was revealing.
Jackie: It sure does and that was 10 years ago. Okay Joe, thanks for your call. Yes he did, didn’t he, Alan?
Alan: It was in the newspapers here that McVeigh complained that he did have one in that region.
Jackie: Yes, well it was in the newspapers here too and it was on the news.
Alan: It showed a clip of McVeigh in Gulf War I personally escorting Schwarzkopf around some of the bases.
Jackie: Oh, you’re kidding?
Alan: No, and so he was in Special Forces. Andy [Ramage] who was in Special Forces in Britain in the Special Air
Service, the SAS, wrote a book after Gulf War I talking about his own men being chipped under the eyebrow, so they
definitely got chipped for Special Forces.
Jackie: And that was back in the ’60’s, Alan.Oh, I’m sorry. I was thinking of Vietnam.
Alan: The ’90’s. They certainly did a lot of experimenting in Vietnam; if anyone’s ever seen “Jacob’s Ladder” it’s worth
going to see.
Jackie: “Jacob’s Ladder?”
Alan: Yes, the movie.
Jackie: What is it?
Alan: It’s about some of the experiences of certain individuals who were tested with different things during the Vietnam
era, where they actually thought they were in Vietnam but they were being tested elsewhere with different drugs and so
on and actually killing each other. It’s an interesting movie.
Jackie: “Jacob’s Ladder” and they made a movie about this, and people will look at it and because it’s a movie they
won’t believe that it’s true.
Alan: They were trying to get the soldiers to become so primitively aggressive that they would kill everything and be
ferocious, and they used U.S. troops and created two different sections and actually set them against each other. Then
they dissected the people, the guys’ brains even, to see what physical effect had done damage-wise to the brain.
Jackie: Did they say it had done damage?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: This is a little bit off the beaten path, in the same church a different pew, speaking of our military personnel. I
hate saying that. The young men and women in America who go into wars. Lilly had heard that we know that they’re
bringing the recruiters right into the schools today, Alan, and she had heard and is going to try and do some research on
it to make sure whether it is accurate or not that they’re actually signing them up 14 years and older. Now of course
somehow – you know that’s a contractual agreement. They’re not legally bound unless they really change the laws, that
if you contract 12 and up or something that the contract is valid. But I wanted to say this for the sake of our listeners, for
those of you who have children or know your friends’ children, your relatives, try to check into it and see if this is
happening and warn them not to allow their child to do that because it isn’t the law anyway.
Alan: It’s quite amazing that American psychiatry will protect children from pedophiles, the reason being that you
cannot have consensual sex from a child under the age of I think it’s 16 because they’re too immature to make truly
rational decisions, and yet they’re trying to get them into the military where they can go and get killed at a younger age
than that.
Jackie: Well, I know this is maybe a poor comparison or an example, but when you think about it there are some states
now that don’t even allow the young people to have driver’s licenses until they’re 18, and of course you could not go into
a tavern and have a beer or have a glass of wine at dinner until you’re 21 years old, but you can go in at the age of 17
and begin to kill and die in defense of the world order.
Alan: That’s the reason for it because the military – which is a Masonic Order, by the way. Everything in the military is
purely masonry, all the symbols and so on. It actually is a form of conditioning the mind and drilling out the
individuality and creating the mass man, who will do what he’d told, the nearest thing to a robot; and children can’t
imagine themselves dying you see. Death is a strange thing to them. It happens to other people and they’re always old
and they’re brought up with movies where the heroes never get killed because the bad guys can never shoot straight and
all these movies have happy endings for the guys. They’ve been brought up purposely to do the killing and be
slaughtered because older and wiser men wouldn’t join the military you see. They know the political scams. They’ve
lived and they understand things but youngsters don’t and that’s why the military always recruits the young for their
wars and it’s well understood as a science.
Jackie: And of course their lack of experience, meaning lack of wisdom really, their minds would be so malleable. They
would be so susceptible to the brainwashing.
Alan: Sure. They go from being a nobody to getting this uniform and having all this accolade and you feel so proud of
yourself, you see. This is how they do it and of course it’s a different story if you come back wounded, it’s your tough
luck basically; but all these children think well somebody else might get it, but it won’t be me. They can’t imagine death.
Jackie: There’s also that side of it that literally has turned them into barbarians, where it appears that many of them are
killing with glee.
Alan: Yes they are.
Jackie: And they’re celebrating it. They’re videotaping it. They are so many reports and even the personally made
videos that are being shown on, being available on the internet. I believe that in the past for the most part those who had
to engage in war, the majority of them moaned or I should say mourned even when they had to shoot a so-called enemy
and they grieved and they were guilty, but today it’s different, isn’t it, Alan?
Alan: Yes. They’ve been trained on military techniques on video games.
Jackie: Yes. Hi, you’re on the air.
Lilly: Hi. It’s me, Lilly. I sent you two emails about that, I found it under Google. If you put in Google search recruiting
14 year olds and I sent this to you anyway.
Jackie: All right, thank you honey.
Lilly: The thing is the parents have to sign in for it but the children are like 14 year old to 17 year old and then the
parents get hounded by the children that please, please, please let me join up and then the parents or if they are in poor
financial condition they then start getting money from the time they sign up from their future pay. Once they turn 18
then their future pay is deducted from what they would be getting in the future. It’s something in the No Child Left
Behind Act that’s been [inaudible] before they get younger. But anyway, if you put it into Google you’ll find it,
recruiting 14 year olds.
Jackie: And the section of the No Child Left Behind Act, Lilly, can you find that and email it to me?
Lilly: I didn’t get it down. It’s in the email I sent you.
Jackie: Okay honey, thank you.
Lilly: The first email.
Jackie: Thank you, Lil. Did you get that, Alan?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: So they’ll have the parents sign them up and you know I would really love to see that recruitment form because
wouldn’t you love to see what they’re doing or saying or promising for the parents to actually register their 14-year old
child and it could be a boy or a girl. Hello, you’re on the air.
Myron: Good evening, Mrs. Patru and Mr. Watt.
Jackie: Hi.
Myron: Yes. I have a question for Mr. Watt. My name is Myron, I’m calling from Georgia. I’d like to ask Mr. Watt a
question. I’d like to know if he knows someone by the name of Baron von Knigge? He was a partner with Adam
Weishaupt in the Order of the Illuminati back in the 1700’s and I was just wondering if Mr. Watt has any knowledge of
research on this gentleman.
Jackie: Okay, and Myron, you have to hang up to hear the answer.
Myron: I will. Thank you. Have a good night.
Jackie: You too. Bye bye. Okay, Alan.
Alan: I know the name and I know that of course the Illuminati of Weishaupt did not originate with Weishaupt. It was
simply the illuminati popping its head up in a period in time. That was all, but around Weishaupt, he had some scientists
and so on who were working on human behavior and studying it intensely, long before Freud or any of these boys were
around.
Jackie: And that Baron von Knigge.
Alan: He was one of them. What’s interesting too is that when you read what Weishaupt claims, he said that at the end
stage they would unleash the nihilists and the atheists.
Jackie: He said what, Alan?
Alan: That they would unleash the nihilists and the atheists in the biggest war for the world; and of course that was
echoed by Lenin and before him [Buckerin] and it was also mentioned by Marx at one point. It was all the illuminati and
what they’ve done is they’ve created the very generation of dumbed-down children. They’ve brought them up on
violence and video games. The state has given them their values, not their parents, and they are unleashing the nihilists
and the atheists and that’s why they’re over in Iraq killing with glee.
Jackie: Yes. We have a caller here. Hi, caller you’re on the air.
Jeff: Hello.
Jackie: Oh, hi Jeff.
Jeff: How you doing?
Jackie: Fine.
Jeff: There is, from what I understand, a $16,000 bonus for anybody who enlists today. Sounds like selling your soul to
the devil, doesn’t it?
Jackie: You mean they get the $16,000 upfront?
Jeff: Yes and then they’ll call when they’re needed.
Jackie: Well that would certainly seal a contract, wouldn’t it?
Jeff: Yes.
Jackie: If a parent was signing for minor – okay Jeff, did you hear that on the news or what?
Jeff: No. From a soldier.
Jackie: Okay, thanks. Anything else, Jeff?
Jeff: No. The reception is really terrible down here.
Jackie: Oh is it? I’m sorry to hear that. Okay thanks. Bye. Did you hear that, Alan?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: $16,000 bonus.
Alan: Just to finish off on Weishaupt, now most people know that the Bavarian authorities raided his lodges. Their
lodges by the way went into Germany and they were called the Beenan Lodge or the Order of Bees and the symbol is
the beehive, which is the same symbol George Washington in his Masonic regalia has down in the bottom of his
painting. Anyway, Weishaupt when he was chased out he got refuge in the area of Germany of Saxe-Coburg. Now
Saxe-Coburg is the old house of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha royal family of Britain today; so why would the royal family
not only give Adam Weishaupt refuge, they also gave him a lifelong pension and that’s recorded history too. You see
they’re all tied in together. Weishaupt wasn’t an independent agent.
Jackie: Did you say Saxe-Coburg, like C-O-B-E-R-G?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And Saxe would be SACHS?
Alan: It’s S-A-X-E they spelled it there.
Jackie: Oh, S-A-X-E.
Alan: But it’s the same as Sachs. It doesn’t matter how it’s spelled.
Jackie: Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
Alan: Yes and that literally was the royal family that George and all those boys came from.
Jackie: Oh, that was their relatives?
Alan: Yes. Weishaupt and these guys were agents of a much higher power, just as Lenin was. Getting back to this
whole discussion, we are living in the times where spiritual values better start to emerge in the individual because the
war is going on right now and it’s slow at the moment and yet it’s also making great strides psychologically to condition
people to accept all technologies and all technologies are just so wonderful you see. It’s called progress, but once this
technology comes to full fruition and implementation it’s the end of conscious thought, which means it’s the end of the
human race’s ability to contact their own ‘creator,’ if you like, and people better think about that.
Jackie: Well, the implications of that are endless.
Alan: Absolutely.
Jackie: It just takes my mind out there. If that happens to an individual and they leave this dimension, the physical, with
that seed so to speak, it comes back with them, Alan, and something has to happen. If we took it out there in I would
have to say the negative. In other words, if they were successful you would have people being born into it – being born
into it and never ever, ever questioning.
Alan: They wouldn’t have the ability to even to think up a question. If you cannot be who you are as an individual and
know you are separate, although amongst others, that will be gone totally. As they said, it will be more like the beehive
than a natural society of humanity. This is an ancient goal and you can trace the beehive symbol not only back to Egypt
but back to the ancient Minoans.
Jackie: Yes and you know what? Love would be non-existent.
Alan: You couldn’t have love because you need individual human qualities and experiences in order to come to the
ability to have love and to exercise it, and if you can’t even experience the fact that you are a distinct individual, then
you’ll be more like as they say a bee in a hive with a job to do. You could have no abstract thought of your own, no
abstract imagination or creative abilities. The brain would simply be the conduit for your programming which is coming
through the air from some giant computer and if they want you to come in for adjustments you couldn’t stop yourself.
Your legs would start walking towards wherever it is.
Jackie: That’s right. There would be no – what you were just talking about. I’ve got this book “Family of Light” here
and it reminded me of a short passage under the “Family of Dark,” it was that chapter. It was talking about the beings
who feed off harm to others are feeding their energy fields through a limited channel and this energy it says is not freely
flowing through them, so when they access energy they want a lot of it and usually of a violent nature. Those who create
harm to others are starved energetically. Why? Because they do not have love and do not feel connected and are shut off
from living. The walking living dead is what you are without love and that is the truth, isn’t it, Alan?
Alan: Oh, it is the truth and unfortunately the ones who feed as you say off hate and anger are in charge of the world.
Jackie: Oh boy and they keep creating it, don’t they?
Alan: It’s the only thing they can do.
Jackie: They do not resonate. That’s another passage in that same chapter in the “Family of Dark,” that if we refuse to
live in fear, to live in hatred, anxiety, greed, all of that type of energy, but in love, in compassion, empathy, that they
can’t exist because they do not resonate to that vibration, that energy of love; they cannot exist in that atmosphere.
Alan: In fact, they can’t exist in this very system which they have created without it. They can’t exist at all. Technically,
even physically, they are useless creatures in a natural civilization. They’re totally impracticable as far as taking care of
themselves or doing anything useful but they thrive on this system which they have created. The more useless they are
physically the higher up the tree they are as our dominant minority.
Jackie: The dominant minority. Here’s highlighted a couple of sentences that I thought was really beautiful along what
we’re talking about. It says: “You have equated power with material consumption, collection and hoarding. You admire
people who have vast mansions, cashes of gold, jewels and trinkets to dazzle and befuddle the public. Is this really
wealth and power? The real power lies in knowing the meaning of the song that the birds sing to be synchronized and
harmonized by the sounds of nature, the tree frogs, the insects, the whippoorwills, the calls of the morning dove and the
mocking bird or the nightingale with its sweet sound at dusk.” That is perfect, Alan, because that’s where it is truly at.
Alan: As I say, if you go into the Amazon those people would be called primitive and backwards and so on, because we
come from this system, but they get up in the morning and they live a full day everyday and life is completely full of
meaning for them, without knowing what Freud said or Einstein or anyone else. They have complete meaning in their
whole existence, and as far as being in touch with their spirituality, they’re so content and in touch with it that they have
no high blood pressure or psychiatrists or anything else. They don’t need it.
Jackie: And they don’t know that they have over-happiness disorder.
Alan: Yes, that’s right. They’re called an “arrested civilization” by the demons that run this world.
Jackie: Well, it always does come down to each and every one of us as an individual and it is true that is the journey
that we take by ourselves, Alan.
Alan: We do.
Jackie: Nobody can take it for us and we cannot take it for anybody else. We’re out of our hour and once again just
thank you so much for being here.
Alan: It’s been a pleasure.
Jackie: Sometimes it would be nice if we had two or three, wouldn’t it, Alan?
Alan: Right.
Jackie: Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back with you tomorrow night and thank you for being here and God bless you.
Good night, Alan.
Alan: Good night.
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Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
April 20, 2005
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for being here with us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is
Wednesday. It is the 20th of April in the year 2005.
Today is Adolph Hitler’s birthday and it is also my daughter Nicole’s birthday and I used to think that was pretty
ashamed. I’ve told her since I’ve found out some different things about Adolph Hitler that she could have done worse
having her birthday on that same date. I hope you had a nice day today, ladies and gentlemen. We are definitely going to
be talking about Codex Alimentaria and just in case – I know that we have thrown that name around. We’re not talking
about it tonight, but Codex Alimentaria is a plan to harmonize all the food values, vitamins et cetera and to totally
control – it has a lot to do with the nutrition that today we have available for at least reasonable prices. What they intend
to do with this is to make it so that it would be illegal to have unless it’s a real low, low potency, something that would
probably do us very little good, unless it was prescribed, and the pharmaceuticals will begin formulating the vitamins.
Do you like that?
We will be talking barring any unforeseen events. We will be talking about this on Monday. I spoke with a gentleman
today at the suggestion of Mildred, a lovely lady, one of our listeners and a great supporter of this broadcast I must say,
and I did speak with him today and he is going to be here with us Monday evening and tonight Alan Watt is with us.
Alan? Do you ever think ahead while you’re talking?
Alan: Yes, I do.
Jackie: That’s what I just did. Tonight Alan Watt is with us. Because I didn’t have anything prepared for our spiritual
message, I’ll do this. This is Mother Theresa. It is a writing by Mother Theresa.
“People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway. If you’re kind, people may accuse you of
selfish, ulterior motives. Be kind anyway. If you are successful, you’ll win some false friends and some rue enemies.
Succeed anyway. If you’re honest and frank, people may cheat you. Be honest anyway. What you spent years building
someone could destroy overnight. Build anyway. If you find serenity and happiness, people may be jealous. Be happy
anyway. The good you do today people will often forget tomorrow. Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have
and it may never be enough. Give the world the best you have anyway. You see in the final analysis it’s between you
and Creator. It was never between you and them anyway.”
Alan, thanks for being here tonight.
Alan: Yes. It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: You know last night when I said your voice sounded low, Mildred called. Well, no, it wasn’t. It was Melvin,
another one of our listeners, and he just saying how much he appreciated your coming on with us and the information,
but he said it was real low at first, or maybe it was Mildred that said that, and then suddenly your voice got nice and
loud and clear and it isn’t very loud right now.
Alan: It’s not? How’s that now?
Jackie: I don’t know, talk.
Alan: Is that better now?
Jackie: Maybe a little bit better. But when it comes through clear it’s really wonderful. I mean you are clear. It’s just
kind of muted I guess. Alan? When we talked today earlier and I asked are you okay because I sensed that something
was bothering you and what you’ve began talking about is your concern about what is happening and how fast it’s
happening today and how important it is that as many people as possible understand, and so that’s why we’ve decided
not to have a break like until next Monday and to have you back tonight. So whatever it is in your heart and on your
mind that you want to share with our listeners, please do so.
Alan: I keep telling people that the stage we’re at now, this particular stage, is the final battle for human consciousness
or the elimination of it. One or the other because the big boys are on a roll and they’ve written about it for centuries as to
what they wanted to do and they are now in the process of doing it. It’s like the drugs you were talking about or the
vitamins. They’re standardizing everything you see across the world.
Jackie: They call it harmonizing.
Alan: Yes and what it really is is standardizing and since they are knights and all the rest of it, a knight has a standard
and they put that standard in the ground and everything around them from horizon to horizon is now under their
standard or it’s standardized.
Jackie: Would you like to expand on that? What did you say, knights of the standard?
Alan: All of these high Masonic knights, they use knightly emblems and words that we use commonly and we don’t
think even where they came from.
Jackie: But they do use the word harmonizing?
Alan: Oh yes.
Jackie: And you are right. They are standardizing it, aren’t they?
Alan: They are and even when they were signing the North American agreement, this amalgamation, on the 23rd, as
they were doing that, they quipped on the newsreel that even pizza from the north of Canada to the south of Mexico will
come under these laws and all the ingredients will be standardized so you get the exact same pizza from north to south.
Jackie: Oh no. Are you serious?
Alan: I’m serious. I’ve got this on tape.
Jackie: You said that every pizza is going to taste the same?
Alan: Well, I don’t know if it will taste the same but it certainly has the same ingredients in it and it will be the same
with everything else. They’re going the whole way to standardize everything. It’s obsessional compulsion going to the
tenth degree and eventually of course they plan to standardize each individual human being, because the chipping is
only one part of the process and the next race of slaves that they want will be cloned and they’ll be all standardized too.
This is how – I wouldn’t say insane because they have written about it copiously, but this is how diabolical this whole
thing is and we’re right on the brink now literally to retain consciousness and that essence which we call humanity is
fighting for its life and most people don’t even know it. As long as they can come home after working and turn on the
television and watch their favorite programs to the very last day, as long the Seinfeld repeats come on or whatever they
watch, they’ll think everything is okay. This literally is a fight for–
Jackie: And then there are many of them who think it’s wonderful what’s happening because it’s the sign that Jesus is
coming back and he’s going to have his kingdom. The seat of his kingdom will be Jerusalem, and my gosh, Alan, there
are so many people that actually believe that it’s wonderful what’s happening because it is that time. Now if a person
would read the Protocols and hear what the plan was, regardless who the heck’s plan it was, it was laid out this perfectly
a hundred years ago. I mean I do understand and our listeners I’m sure get it that it isn’t a hundred year old plan. I mean
actually in writing how they’re going to do it and when you read the Protocols it’s right on target and they say that
Jerusalem will be their headquarters and their king despot of the blood of Zion will have has quarters there and he will
be the pope of the world. Then we find out that Rome has evidentially made plans, and I didn’t know this, Alan, to
actually move the Vatican to Jerusalem. So do you think a whole bunch of Catholic “Christians” will be cheering and
say “look, it’s the end, it’s the time”?
Alan: You have to understand that in all the traditional religions have within them the same mystery religion that really
runs the show and it’s the same with the word “Zion.” People don’t even know what it means and it’s the hermaphroditic
deity. That’s what it means.
Jackie: Zion?
Alan: Yes, and the mountains that they used to worship where the moon passed over the top was called Mt. Sin and
that’s where SIN comes from. SIN or ZIN, it doesn’t matter. Then you have ON, which is the phallic symbol of the male
deity or the obelisk which it passes over and of course the pyramid of Cheops, or Khufu as it’s called in Egyptian, is the
uncapped pyramid. It’s the top of an obelisk. That’s what it represents and over it passes the moon god SIN. When you
take the first two letters, which is typical of high occult masonry, modern and ancient, you end up with ZI and then ON,
Zion. That’s what it means. That’s what it means to the high masons. It’s the completion of the male and female in one
because behind all the religions, whether it’s Hindu or any of the others, they’re all, even ancient Greeks, their god was
male and female.
Jackie: I remember in Genesis where it says, male and female made he them.
Alan: Yes, and of course if you go into the Talmud they also talk about that. It doesn’t mean they made male and female
one and one. It can also mean he made a bunch of male and female–
Jackie: Hermaphrodites.
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: That’s kind of how that’s said, isn’t it, because I remember when I read that I thought it was worded funny. Male
and female made he them.
Alan: If you look at the exact wording in the Greek and you have Imagio, which is the image. It means the perfect
likeness, sameness in fact.
Jackie: So in other words “the architect,” what would you call it? I mean a cloned body, is that what we’re talking
about, by a hermaphrodite?
Alan: An exact duplicate of that particular deity and that’s the symbol behind even occult Judaism and Catholicism and
all the rest of them is a hermaphroditic figure. That’s why you have two creations or beginnings of species. Not the first
beginnings. They talk about regenerating the planet, which means to repopulate, but you have two beginnings where the
deity creates male and female and then later on you look and it says there’s no one to till the soil so he creates Adam and
Eve. What they’re talking about there is those that were made in the same image of the gods, if you like, the human
gods, man and woman, are the upper elite group who will control the world; whereas the Adam and Eve types are the
workers you see. It’s a system that they’re describing more than anything else, wrapped up in a story. It’s a system.
Jackie: Well, what is their ultimate plan, Alan? I mean at least as you understand it?
Alan: The ultimate plan has been laid out and spoken of by many of them such as Aldous Huxley. He went into the fact
that science – and that’s what they mean in freemasonry when you read them talking about the law of nature and
following nature and by dissecting nature. In other words, everything that works in the world of physics and biology et
cetera and chemistry; once you understand it all, you can then take the original material and the world which was left
imperfect by the Creator (according to masonry) and reshape it into their own perfection. Everything is to be recreated
in their own perfection. Huxley was well into this. Lord Bertrand Russell also talked about the need to do this and
Charles Galton Darwin also said exactly the same thing. He says already in the 1950’s, Galton Darwin said, in his book,
“The Next Million Years,” we already have too many of the working and lower classes which will be become
unnecessary in the future.
Jackie: Well sure, they already are with all the computers and robotized machinery.
Alan: He says we can’t allow them to simply proliferate and procreate and reproduce themselves because eventually
they’ll be too many for them to be controlled by the establishment. None of these authors ever talk about government or
democracy, never, because government and democracy is nothing but a front; an absolute front and always has been a
front for what we call The Establishment behind it. Whenever you hear the speeches or read the books by these people,
they simply give the agenda and they don’t even bother to pay lip service to this Punch and Judy show we call politics.
They’ve written about it, what they would have to do and sure enough every year the United Nations since about the
1950’s, since the polio vaccine came out in the 1950’s, they tell you every year what the male sperm count is in the
Western world and they go through the countries. Now they never give a comment. They simply give the statistics as
though it’s quite natural. Last year they said that the male sperm count in the west was down 75 percent of what it was in
1950. Now that should mean a crisis level if it was some sort of strange natural occurring phenomena like a disease; but
if they don’t comment on it, it tells you right away this is part of the agenda.
Jackie: I know but there’s still a lot of children being born.
Alan: There are, but the fact is if you look at the population, especially the white population, it isn’t just that they aren’t
having so many children. It’s the fact that the males are becoming almost sterile and what sperm left is too weak to
reproduce, so there are other reasons behind this, but this all began with the inoculations. When you mentioned the
Protocols they did mention in there that they would kill off people and so on by inoculations. It isn’t science fiction of
the past we’re discussing. It’s the laying out of an agenda which is being fulfilled and they’ve almost reached their goal.
Aldous Huxley thought it was just fantastic that they could eventually manipulate the DNA and clone different kinds of
people for the task to have to perform—minus that part of the brain that gave them their higher intellect or selfawareness
as an individual. That would be cloned out you see.
Then you jump back 2,500 years from when he said it and you have Plato talking about the exact same thing in “The
Republic” and Plato belonged to the mystery religions. He was part of the Greek aristocracy and he said, “we the
aristocracy are descended from the gods.” You connect that once more with the same God created man and woman and
later created Adam and Eve and you’re back to the same thing again. There’s an upper elite group who literally have
been running the world for many thousands of years and they have sham governments as fronts, always, in every
country and the agenda has never faltered and no part of the agenda has ever faltered regardless of what political party
in power. We are literally at the stage where in 50 years or less, maybe 40 or 30 even, and according to that Loyola
University meeting, they hope to have the chipping completed by about 2018. Well, that’s the end of individual
consciousness for the general population.
Jackie: I thought 2012 was their magic number.
Alan: No, they want to start it around then. They want to start it then and have–
Jackie: Start what the chipping?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: You said they started that back in the ’60’s.
Alan: That’s when they were experimenting. They want to have the whole population chipped. Now they’re going for
everyone you see. The experimenting is over. They have the one that works best and they said that at that meeting and
now the only problem they have is to convince the general population to accept it. When they were testing them out on
people, these subjects didn’t even know they were being tested out on; it was done covertly. They’ve laid their agenda
right out and they’re going full steam ahead with it.
Jackie: So people knowing this, what do you think?
Alan: I think it should be the prime preoccupation of their life from now on to literally—they better—train themselves
very, very quickly that they are in the battle for their lives and train themselves not to get distracted or even switch off
for a little while to have the relaxation that they’re used to or the programming they’re used to from TV. They better start
dedicating themselves 100 percent to combating this because it’s coming fast. In fact, Canada just announced that they’re
having next year a fake general killer flu alert and they’re going to have a massive testing of how the hospitals will react
across the whole country next year. In that blurb from the CBC they also mentioned that in the future with the chip
implant they’ll be able to track down the actual carriers no matter where they go in the world very quickly and so here’s
another plus you see pushing for the chip. In two or three years time with the propaganda that’s coming out, Joe Public,
I’m afraid to say it, will actually look upon this and believe this is all for his benefit and will be looking forward to it,
never knowing there’s a completely different intention behind it because Joe won’t know who he is once that switch is
thrown. He will be controlled by a computer. He literally will be remote controlled so he won’t have the ability to even
know he’s an individual.
Jackie: What can Joe do knowing about this?
Alan: He has to start telling everyone he knows. It’s like that quote you read by Mother Theresa. It doesn’t matter what
they think of you while you’re doing it. Do it anyway because it has to be brought out. Everyone has got to at least know
the truth behind this and that’s the only way they can combat the propaganda that’s pushing for it and they better also
instruct their children in it too very quickly.
Jackie: You know this conversation it can just take us everywhere because you know the thought that enters my mind?
Unless people have seed – at least the natural seed as we know natural today, because maybe it all has been genetically
modified in times gone by, but the kind of food that is being purchased and brought home and eaten from the grocery
store with all of the junk that’s in it, Alan, and I mean you think about it. I read this a couple of three years ago. They
have carrots that you can get a hepatitis B vaccine from and we have know idea what types of vaccines are being – I
mean some of these plants are actually growing that vaccine or whatever. It’s out of this world, but what good does it do
knowing about this when you are eating meat that is irradiated? When you are eating food that has all kinds of
preservatives and additives and chemicals and probably vaccines and God only knows what in it. What good is it going
to do to know it, Alan?
Alan: They’ll have to spend extra money and try and get organic produce.
Jackie: You know it is possible, even if you live in an apartment, you can actually grow vegetables in containers. I don’t
know.
Alan: But here’s the kicker too, you see, there’s something else that was talked about recently and I kid you not. It’s the
banning of home gardens.
Jackie: Oh yes. That came up a couple of years ago.
Alan: It came up again from the United Nations. Of course their spin on it is that the additives that people use in the soil
and herbicides are destroying Mother Nature et cetera and therefore they want to stop all home gardening and hope to
start this program in two years. I mean they’re going the whole way and people better understand this very quickly
because it’s coming to a place near you. They better get up and get off that chair and throw that TV out the window and
go to the meetings where they’re supposed to be discussing this because they will go through formalities, and they better
stand up and say no damn way.
Jackie: And bring your own documentation and handouts.
Alan: The fact is you can’t leave that meeting until you’ve got your way because we’re in a battle now for our lives.
That’s what we’re in and there are people at the top that quite calmly discussed the elimination remember of over threequarters
of the human race in the next 20, 30 years and they mean it.
Jackie: I know they do mean it. I know that. And you know when we get into these types of conversations and it’s like
we’re swimming in it as we’re discussing it and always what comes back to my mind is that there is nothing more
important right now than to get our own house in order and I’m talking about our own spiritual house.
Alan: That’s right. Everyone’s disconnected, or, if they’re plugged in at all, it’s to a regular church which isn’t speaking
out about the very things we’re talking about because they’re part of the agenda, the control agenda. I mean why aren’t
the churches speaking out about this and telling their flock the sheep what to eat or what grass to eat here? They’re
saying nothing about it because they’re part of the control and organized religion has always been used for that very
purpose.
Jackie: Yes, and Passover is coming up and there will be a whole, whole, whole slew of Christian Zionists or whatever
in God’s name they call themselves that will be taking the Seder meal in the synagogue with the Talmudists. We have to
take a break here.
Alan: The time is getting so short as to where the world is going and how were all just going along, like the Pied Piper’s
followers, in a trance, being entertained to death and the entertainment is actually our programming. If we look at the
movies they’re churning out and have been since the Loyola meeting to do with chipping the brain, where they said that
all novels and movies would start to contain stories about this and point out all the plusses. You simply take the Matrix
movie as an example and you have Neo, who is the new man to come. His name means “new” and of course Anderson
comes from Andros, which is the Greek word for man. He is the new son of man, and how does he get in and out of the
Matrix? He plugs himself into it from the back of his head and he has all these amazing powers and the children think
that this is fantastic and of course the whole idea is to make people believe you will have super powers. Now I’m well
aware that there are people who will want to escape from the world and plug themselves in like the Lawnmower Man
and that is up to them, but for those who are beginning to wake up, I think they should start shaking themselves awake
very fast and learning fast and dedicating themselves to fighting this because once it’s happened, that’s it. It’s game over.
There’s no second chance. It literally will be the end of consciousness as you know it. A good book to read on that is
“The Ghost in the Machine,” and here’s another problem with modern society. Most people who are on the internet tell
me they cannot read a book anymore. They just simply can’t go through a book because they’re getting bits and bites and
that’s their new language is little bits of things.
Jackie: What do you mean by that, Alan, people who are on the internet?
Alan: I get them phoning me up and they’ll ask me where do I find this information or that information. I’ll tell them
well you go to your library; I’ll give them the names of the books to look up. Most of these types of books are available
at the library or can be gotten through inter-library loans. As soon as I mention a book, they tell me that right out that
they can’t read a book anymore.
Jackie: How do you respond to that?
Alan: Well, I say why bother phoning me for information with a clarification that they’ll only look into it if it’s on the
internet. Now the internet is designed to be fast-paced and to recondition the minds to think in short bits and bites, and
people who use the internet a lot, I’ve noticed, they don’t read anything right through. They get bits and bites of it and
this is again intentional. Zbigniew Brzezinski talked about giving it to the people back in the 1960’s and what its real
function would be. It’s a preparatory phase of conditioning the mind to actually to the binary code, because the whole
computer system runs on zeros and ones, ones and zeros, and hence the high number 10 in Masonry. It’s conditioning
the actual minds to be nearer to a computer’s logic than a human logic and they don’t realize this.
Jackie: There are whole books on the internet.
Alan: Yes, but they can’t ready anything right through. Now, anyway, getting back to “The Ghost in the Machine,” for
those who can’t be bothered to read the whole book, just read the last chapter and that’s by a man employed initially by
Stalin as an officer. He helped in the starvation of millions of Ukrainians and he tells you in his own writing in that book
that he was so conditioned in believing in the communist system that what he was doing was part of “historical
necessity.” That’s the term they use when they have to eliminate vast populations.
Jackie: You mean that’s what he was told and he believed it?
Alan: Yes. Now you think after he tells you this that obviously he’d changed his mind.
Jackie: That’s what I was going to ask.
Alan: But that’s the big shocker when you find out that, no, he came over to New York worked for the United Nations.
He taught in universities there and he worked for the UN think tanks on ways to literally lobotomize that part of the
brain, the higher intellect, and that’s why it’s called “The Ghost in the Machine.” It’s that illusive part that is your
spiritual connection with the body, you might say, that makes you you and his job was to try different techniques. He
said there were other think tanks and they had regular meetings and the other think tanks were employing other means
of trying to achieve the same ends, and he worked for about 20 years on this very problem. In the last chapter of the
book he goes through not only what they decided on doing and he does mention, by the way, dumbing the people down
through altering the food, adding chemicals to the water and so on to make them more accepting of the next phase, and
he also rationalizes the reasons for having to do this to bring world peace. Utopia to these elitists is going to be a hell for
everyone else if they get their way and these people are deadly, deadly serious.
Jackie: You know, Alan, utopia for them is whoever is left of the underlings will be so drugged or maybe they won’t
even need to be drugged by then, but I don’t know if there’s any truth to what their plan is if you’re reading like “This
Perfect Day” or “1984,” those. They have the drugs. Anybody who suddenly felt some type of emotion reached in their
pocket and took out a soma and took the pill to get those emotions gone. Well, think about this. If this is true, I don’t
know, but it has been reported in newspaper reports that they’re finding high quantities of Prozac and all these
psychotropic drugs. Evidentially, what the body doesn’t absorb is being excreted and it is not being filtered out; it’s in
the drinking water, Alan.
Alan: It’s been in the drinking water because they’re also spraying it along with other chemicals in these trails above our
heads.
Jackie: You’re assuming that.
Alan: No. Rumsfeld said it right after 9/11 on television; he was asked what their plans were if there was another major
crisis in a city where the people began to panic and he said, “we already have chemicals to spray over entire cities
containing Prozac and Valium; aerosolized Prozac and Valium.” Now if he said that then it doesn’t take much to come
up with the equation that they’re already do it and of course because it’s being found in the drinking water is simply
diverting reality of where it’s coming from. Because the people today, many people are beginning to lose their shortterm
memory and I’ve talked to many people who complained of it and yet they feel sort of happy as though they’re
tranquilized and that’s what’s happening. It makes perfect sense as we go through these massive world changes and
societal changes, the biggest changes that have ever happened since the Industrial Revolution began and all the people
were moved into the cities. We’re going through the biggest changes society has seen for hundreds of years.
Jackie: Hundreds of years?
Alan: Yes and it makes perfect sense to drug down the people as you bring them through it. It makes perfect sense, but
Rumsfeld admitted that.
Jackie: Do you feel tranquilized?
Alan: Not so much. Occasionally I’ll get bouts of being tired, but what I’ve also noticed is those who are really, really
awake prior to this don’t seem to be affected the same way and I think it’s because they’re so used to studying that their
mind sort of compensates, because as you study you must memorize and so on. It keeps your mind alert.
Jackie: Do you suppose there could be something to it, those who are more spiritually conscious or connected, aware of
the connection?
Alan: I think so.
Jackie: Maybe so, Alan.
Alan: There’s no doubt about it. I’ve done my own sort of unofficial surveys and that’s what I come up with all the time.
As I say, you must always be able to jump from where you are into the mind of the controllers and you can only do it by
studying them and their writings. It makes perfect sense to drug the people as you’re bringing them through such
incredible changes, leading ultimately to the extinction of individual consciousness. You would have to drug them and
make them happy.
Jackie: Or not necessarily happy, just emotionless. Happiness is an emotion, Alan, and unless they’re giving a happy
pill, I would think that it would be just an emotionless that they wouldn’t feel much of anything.
Alan: Well, they don’t, you see. They don’t even respond much – I mean they can sit there and eat their dinners and
watch Iraqis blown up by mistake, whole villages, and it doesn’t bother them. If you can’t cry for every catastrophe
that’s occurred on this planet to all the different people, if you can’t cry for them, there’s something wrong with you.
Jackie: Well, if we did that we would be crying all the time.
Alan: We should be crying all the time.
Jackie: I mean the sorrow or the compassion that you feel.
Alan: It’s the empathy and when you lose empathy then you’re emotionally stunted. Something has happened to you and
that means that if all those around you are the same, well, who’s going to cry for you when they come for you? No one
will, so we better wake up fast and really see what’s going on here and try to become as human as possible, and by that,
I mean use the humaneness within you. Use it with others fast and for others fast, regardless of what they think of you
because the time is really getting short now. When you watch how much spraying they’re doing almost all over the
planet right now on a daily basis – we’re watching clouds that have come out of science fiction movies but they’re right
above our head and it’s no movie and this is happening daily now. These clouds are becoming the new norm to most
people who can’t remember what the old clouds look like. They have gone the whole way. They have tampered with the
food. They have altered them for vaccinations, but it’s done to such a micro level that they can also create drugs within
the food as well, just like soma was opium and we know where opium comes from. It comes from a plant. They’re
simply doing the same thing again.
Jackie: That’s why they called George Bush’s father Poppy.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Not because he was his papa, but because of his opium dealings. We have a call here. Hi, you’re on the air. Who
are we talking to?
Myron: Yes. Good evening. This is Myron from Georgia.
Jackie: Hi Myron.
Myron: Yes, I called in last night also. I’ll be very brief as possible. I want to state that I received Mr. Watt’s booklets
and I thoroughly enjoyed them. Very, very informative. I’d like to say something. I’ve done my own personal research
on freemasonry and I went to the local library within my town as well and I came across a book. It’s an autobiography of
Albert Pike and the name of the book was “The Man Beyond the Monument” and the author’s name is Jim Tresner.
Within the book he states that Albert Pike made a remark, and if I may, may I share my brief remarks of what Albert
Pike had stated?
Jackie: Yes do Myron.
Myron: It states on page 76 of his book was a remark made by Albert Pike is this.
“To the ancients, this light was an outflowing from the Deity. To us, as to them, it is the apt symbol of truth and
knowledge. Masonry is a march and a struggle toward the Light. For the individual as well as the nation, Light is Virtue,
Manliness, Intelligence, Liberty. Tyranny over the soul or body, is darkness. Masonry to the Masonic Brethren is a
search after, and a journeying toward Light. The Masonic Light is Truth. It is the inculcation of truth by means of
symbols and instructions. Teaching a pure morality by its lessons and lectures, it is also a great system of philosophy
and of political and of religious truth concealed by symbols.” Thank you, ma’am.
Jackie: Thank you, Myron. Alan, now I’ve said this before so often because what he was reading didn’t sound terrible.
Tyranny over the souls of man is darkness. How do you explain this?
Alan: Because on the lower levels that’s exactly the propaganda they do put out and you must remember even the word
“man” does not refer to ordinary people in their religion. The profane are not really men and women. In fact the profane
are subhuman and of course when you really – well, read Albert Pike’s own book, not by someone else. Read Albert
Pike’s “Morals and Dogma” and he tells you that freemasonry is a religion and he tells you again, he says, “make no
mistake. Lucifer is God,” and unfortunately so is Adonai.
Jackie: He says that in “Morals and Dogma”?
Alan: It’s in “Morals and Dogma”. Make no mistake, he says, “Lucifer is God.” Lucifer is the light you see he’s talking
about.
Jackie: In the Masonic rituals, I actually have this in Chapter 16 and 17 of the book, they say to the freemasons when
they get up high enough the lost word is Jehovah. That’s in one of the initiations or the part – so Lucifer and Jehovah are
the Masonic gods?
Alan: They’re two sides of the same coin.
Jackie: Well of course. I mean Lucifer – the reason I’m saying this is because of the call I received from a listener who
said that referring to Jehovah as Lucifer is blasphemy, well but it isn’t Jehovah it’s Yahweh, and that I was being put on
an altar, that he would take me if I was wrong or take her if she was wrong. Now this is not a cruel lady. What she is
saying she means it with all of her heart and soul because she believes with all her heart and soul that Yahweh, or
however they do it, that is creator and that is the god Jehovah but it’s using his name wrong. You see the whole thing is
so twisted.
Alan: When you cut through the chase of freemasonry, most people don’t get beyond the third degree and they’re quite
happy as a Master Mason, you see, but “life begins at 40” and that’s what it means, the 40th degree is when they start to
tell you what the real truth is.
Jackie: There was a Masonic song and it was sung to the tune of “God Save the King,” which is the same tune of, what
is it, “Oh Beautiful for Spacious Skies,” or whatever, well right in that song the lyric are Jehovah, Jove, Oh Lord.
Alan: That’s right and Rudyard Kipling also wrote it and he said, “Jehovah, Jove, by George.” It’s a big joke to them
because ultimately in freemasonry the high masons are taught the truth. As they come in the Grand Master sits in the
East you see where the sun rises–
Jackie: Yes and you know what they say?
Alan: And they go round the altar and the secret is that you have become a god.
Jackie: They’re building temples and tabernacles in the soul of man and nations, and when they ask which way are you
traveling from Babylon to Jerusalem. This is up somewhere around the 16th or something like that level but it deals with
Jerusalem and the temple and the avenging of Hiram Abiff and it all goes–
Alan: Hiram Abiff is not a person. It’s a symbol of the higher self, the godhood within man, and the three unworthy
craftsman that they talk about they often call it the JUWES; like Jack the Ripper used. It’s desire, thought and action.
That’s what they stand for. Desire, thought and action used impulsively will kill the higher god within you and you
become the low profane. That’s what it means. It’s all allegory you see.
Jackie: I know but you know there is so many people who say I am a Christian and worship and adore Yahweh,
Jehovah, Jove, Lucifer and they don’t even realize they’re doing it, Alan.
Alan: That’s how far mind control can take you and really it’s also a choice for them and you can’t really do anything
about it. The time has come where you have to concentrate on people who do want it. Those who are worshipping the
traditional religions, on the one hand, they’re preaching the terror of the last days, the ETs, extraterrestrial or end times;
they have a joke for that one. On the other hand, after they’ve terrified their flock, they say: “but don’t worry, God is in
control” – so who’s doing it?
Jackie: Yes and Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you.
Alan: Exactly.
Jackie: And if that isn’t the most outward of our expression, and I know I’m not saying that mine is, but that would be
our desire to be an expression of our creator.
Alan: Remember Albert Pike was also a member of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (SRFM) and if you speak it, you
see, that’s another one of their little tricks, if you speak it you have Seraphim. Seraphim are the highest order of angels
beneath the Cherubim, and the Scottish Rite calls themselves the Order of the Perfection. When you’re perfect, a
Perfecti, you are now a god on earth; but of course they can’t publicize that at the bottom.
Jackie: One of the degrees is called the Knights of Kadosh or something like that. In my researching I find that the first
Jewish synagogue or temple or whatever, was the temple or the whatever, Kadosh, and there we are in one of those
degrees of freemasonry.
Alan: It was also a battle place.
Jackie: Okay. We’ve got a call here. Go ahead caller. Who’s there?
Kate: Hi Jackie. This is Kate.
Jackie: Yes Kate.
Kate: I want to know from Alan, you know the Catholic Church years ago have been taken over by the Jewish masons–
Jackie: Yes, we’ve only got a couple of minutes, honey, so be quick.
Kate: What I want to know is this other pope that died or they killed him, why did he always hit the ground when he got
off the plane?
Jackie: Alan?
Alan: I think he was afraid of flying, or maybe he was just kissing his own property, but the fact is the mystery
religions has been always present within all organized religions. It’s behind it.
Jackie: We’re out of time.
Alan: Okay.
Jackie: Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back Monday. Thank you, Alan.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
April 27, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Wednesday. It is the
last night of our broadcast week of course and our guest again this evening is Alan Watt. Alan, thanks for being here
tonight.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Let me do this and as you know, I was just a little bit behind tonight when you called. What I would like to do
first of all from Matthew 25, Jesus said:
“For I was hungry and you gave me meat. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took
me in naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came unto me; inasmuch as you
have done it unto the least of these my brethren ye have done it unto me.”
I like that. That’s pretty. That’s so real, isn’t it, Alan?
Alan: It is, yes, and there’s no money involved.
Jackie: Well I know but what I mean is that it is true. Let me put it that way: that what we do to one or for one, it’s to all
or for all.
Alan: That’s right. It’s natural humanity.
Jackie: That’s what I mean. What I would appreciate if you would do – I know we talked about it last night, but let our
listeners know again this evening. Folks, today is Wednesday it is the 27th of April in the year 2005. Maybe I gave the
date, I don’t think I did. Today is Chuck’s birthday, his birthday in this third dimensional world, and I just wanted to
remember him to you, folks. Alan, if you will, tell our listeners about the books.
Alan: My books go through freemasonry, the banking system of ancient times up to the present, how countries were
taken over and empires built up and then destroyed as the money powers moved on. I also go into how these bankers
created the world religions and helped to dominate the peoples they took over in foreign countries by imposing these
religions, installing priesthoods, generally from the Middle East, and setting up churches in each country, which also
served as a branch of their banking system. Therefore, the gold that was lent to these countries ended up underneath
these churches for so-called “safe keeping.” It’s an interesting read, each one of them, and the secret society that was on
the go 5,000 BC is still on the go today and that’s why nothing really changes. [See www..com for ordering
information.] It’s the same system of debt creation, which gives power to private bankers over the countries and
obviously then it gives the bankers the right to dictate policies of those countries, just like Alan Greenspan does.
In Canada we have the Bank of Canada, which is not a Canadian bank, it’s actually a board of men who were picked by
the international bankers who liaised with the Canadian government. They’ve pulled this trick in every country and
really only 12 families or so are the international families which lend to every country, and technically they lend
nothing, but they want repayment in real goods or gold and that’s how it is up until the present system.
Jackie: And they never print enough money to pay the usury that’s charged.
Alan: That’s correct and they must always keep a country in debt. Even in ancient times when they would take over a
country by force, often, because they employed armies of countries they’d already conquered, they would install what
they called a tyrant or dictator and he was well-paid for his function and he would immediately start massive public
works and projects and build mausoleums and so on. Of course, this was borrowed from the bankers and they created
the debt system, which was based also on compound interest, meaning you could never get away from the debt. You
couldn’t pay it off, so the bankers ended up having complete control over the country through the front man who was the
tyrant or dictator. Later on, of course, they gave us democracy, so you have a bunch tyrants basically fronting for the
bankers and it’s all the same system. They’re all Masons of high degree, pre-picked before the public even see them up
for election and they vowed complete obedience to the organization they serve, which is not the people you see. It’s an
ancient system. It’s well documented in some books in fact and even many of the ancient Greeks especially wrote about
these bankers and how they operated and how they had been taking over the countries 2,000 BC by the same techniques.
Jackie: And they wrote about it in Genesis.
Alan: That’s why they put Genesis together, the “Gene of Isis,” because it contains their mystery religion and of course
religion dominates the mind. That’s what its function was meant to do. It limits your scope of thinking.
Jackie: I received a call from a listener last night and he is a long-time listener but he was really thrilled to hear you
mention the CIA behind many of the shortwave alternative broadcasts, but he said, ” to be honest with you, I had quit
listening for a while when you had Alan on and he said that Jesus was the same as Jupiter.” And I said no he didn’t and
he was convinced and I said, “no, you misunderstood what he told us,” and I looked it up of course. I didn’t carry this on
in the conversation but you can search and find it in so many places that Jehovah, Jupiter, Jove, are all one and the same.
Alan: That’s right. Rudyard Kipling even wrote a little poem on it, and it ended with “Jehovah, Jupiter, Jove, by
George.” That’s how it ended; he was a high mason too, so they all know. Of course it’s a mystery religion and it’s been
around for thousands and thousands of years and they’ve controlled all other established religions. They certainly took
them over from the beginning. You can see even in the New Testament where you have obviously a person who was
doing extraordinary things such as taking bankers out of the temple, standing up to the priesthoods of his day and
decrying them for what they were, which again was front men for other powers, so you can see there was a real person
there. Where it comes to the addition of the old mystery religion which Rome put on it, you can see the 12 disciples and
Jesus as the sun, so they added on the old mystery religion on top of the real character you might say.
Jackie: The real individual, the real person? I’m sorry. You go right ahead, Alan.
Alan: It’s easy to discern a real person and what a real person is doing, as opposed to the standard sun and the 12
disciples, or the sun and the 12 signs of the zodiac, which had preceded the idea for thousands of years. In the Egyptian
times it was 10 signs of the zodiac and they changed two of the signs. One was a hippo and one was an alligator,
although the hippo was more important to the sign at the time.
Jackie: Why? What did it mean?
Alan: It’s the only animal which can fart through its mouth.
Jackie: Are you serious?
Alan: Yes. It’s a fact.
Jackie: Is that a joke?
Alan: It’s true. It’s a pretty formidable animal and you don’t want to face it anyway.
Jackie: Well, wouldn’t we call that a burp?
Alan: Not really. This literally was from the other end. It came right through its mouth.
Jackie: Oh my, my. But that’s why it was so important?
Alan: It’s because it could also swim underwater and on land, and of course they like the symbol of the Nile bringing
the life to the area and onto the land and so the hippo could signify that or symbolize that. It could swim into the water
and come onto the land.
Jackie: One of the thoughts that I have had – you know you have shown us how they have used the astrological wheel,
all of that, as part of their mystery religion. Well, Alan, they don’t do that for fun. My thought is well and I don’t know.
You may not agree with this and that’s okay, but I find that there – for example, if an individual has an astrological chart
drawn up the person who draws up the chart, the astrologer, if it’s a good one, doesn’t have to know anything about the
individual and like a natal chart. Of course it doesn’t mean your life is mapped out but it seems to me that there is
relevance in understanding the energy from the different planets and how they play upon us at certain times and it’s just
too accurate in too many ways for too many people for there not to be some merit to it; but maybe that’s why in the Old
Testament they tell you not to go to astrologers, because I think Christians think that it’s sinful et cetera, et cetera, but I
would like your comments on that. I mean why – for example, the number 13. I thought about this and of course they
gave us Jesus and his 12 disciples. Were there 12 disciples? I don’t know but I thought to myself – in fact I’ve said it.
One time I was talking to a group and somebody was talking about the number 13 and I said well the energy, the color,
each color has its own – would we call it a vibration or frequency, and the tuned and musical tones, the notes,
everything really is quite beautiful the way everything kind of meshes and joins together. But I thought well maybe
there’s something about the number 13 the energy of it that is powerful. So we’re told that it’s an unlucky number and
they won’t put a thirteenth floor on a building et cetera, et cetera. And Jesus, what was it, his 33rd year, did he begin or
was he crucified?
Alan: Crucified.
Jackie: Okay, so they use these numbers and they use the astrological signs and dates, and I wonder if that has to do
with what they call their windows of opportunity.
Alan: They definitely use the solar chart as a timetable because it’s a clock and it’s a clock which deals in hundreds and
thousands of years, and their plans are ancient, but they say themselves the plan came down or came to them around
4,500 BC. That’s when the plan to take the entire planet over and how it would be done was supposedly drawn up.
That’s why you see two dates on Masonic temples, the date it was built, in modern numbers and times, and they had the
other one with AL on it (Anno Lucifer), the fall of Lucifer. They have that date plus the 4,500 years tacked on to it.
Jackie: Didn’t you say this plan is much older than even that?
Alan: I believe so. In fact I think that plan is only one phase of a much older plan.
Jackie: In other words, maybe it was the tweaking. Maybe they tweaked it.
Alan: Or revised it.
Jackie: Or revised it. It was like that Rabbi Ricorn said at some funeral. This is a quote allegedly. I wasn’t there so I
can’t say for a fact, but what he said in this, it was at a eulogy, I believe, a friends funeral, he said we get together every
100 years to take a look at where we are and to plan out the next 100. You know, Alan, I thought my goodness, because
when you read the Protocols and you see how everything is falling right into place and according to the way they laid it
out. Then you think well that was 100 years ago, but we know they say in the Protocols it is said this plan that we have
had underway for 2,000, 25-whatever-hundred years. Well, it makes sense that every 100 years or so–
Alan: It’s no different from any corporation. They literally plan ahead 100 years.
Jackie: Boy, do they plan.
Alan: Even the World Council of Churches plans ahead in 100 years and of course David Rockefeller started that up.
Jackie: Getting back to the astrological thing, if they are the keepers of the truth, of the mysteries and it is so important
to them, I guess what I am saying is that it makes some sense to me that there is something to it and they don’t want
people to know.
Alan: It’s not that at all actually.
Jackie: What is it?
Alan: They wanted people to believe exactly what you’ve said, that there’s strange powers and so on, that’s the exoteric,
but they kept the esoteric meanings to themselves. Pythagoras of course was the first one to write about this in the Greek
language.
Jackie: Write about what?
Alan: This particular – you were talking about colors, tones, astrological signs and so on. In fact the name “tone” comes
from Pythagoras and the tone of a color or the tone of a sound comes from Pythagoras and the weight ton all comes
from that as well.
Jackie: But I’m talking about a type of energy or frequency.
Alan: That’s what they talk about.
Jackie: Now maybe all of this is a lie. In a book that I read “Tuning the Human Instruments,” and this was written I
think back in the ’70’s, that they were experimenting in Russia using let’s say vitamin E. There’s a certain energy
frequency from vitamin C and that they were literally using those frequencies to—how would you say it? Not inject,
because they’re not using needles, but that energy, that frequency that vitamin E makes up that literally people were able
to have those vitamins. Am I making any sense? Are you understanding what I’m saying?
Alan: I’ve not quite got the end part.
Jackie: In other words, why do you say they want you to think that a color has a certain frequency or a tone has a
certain frequency?
Alan: What Pythagoras did – and remember he had been trained in Egypt and went back and taught in Crotona, which
was a Greek outpost, and he started his own school up. He, like many afterwards, he recruited young aristocrats who
had to pass tests to get in and they had to also have a vow of silence for the first three or four years, just like the later
Essenes, because that was a later edition of the mystery religion. Then he selected certain ones to go into the real
mysteries and he also taught females and gave them a great education and they became so desirable amongst the
nobility, and the female’s job was to go out basically and help to subtly take over the mind of the nobility that she
married and change their political persuasions and so on, so it was a form of control.
Now for the general population, which they called the profane, the people who are uneducated, they gave out the stories
of magic, mysticism, again that these were real powers in the sky et cetera, the constellations and the planets. However,
for themselves they used it all as allegories for other things, which was to do primarily with the aspects of their plan for
the future and the time clock. That’s why George Bush, Sr. after he mentioned the New World Order looked up and he
said, “everything is going to the heavenly plan.” He was talking about Aquarius, the Age of Aquarius that we are in
now.
Jackie: Fine. That’s what I’m saying. It means something to them.
Alan: It’s nothing more than a timepiece for them because it’s been used before.
Jackie: But they have their windows of opportunity. I’ve heard them say it.
Alan: Yes, and they must through them, but that’s why all the early symbols of Christianity was never the cross. You’ll
always find it inscribed as the fish, for the Age of Pisces, so the Age of Christ was to take us through the Age of Pisces.
That’s why it’s written, and of course it’s tampered with, but it’s written that Jesus tells them to go and find a man
carrying a picture of water, signifying the end of his reign.
Jackie: The age of Pisces?
Alan: That’s right and so Aquarius is the carrier of the water. Now the water itself is a feminine symbol, so that’s when
women must rise to the top to be used, not for their own purposes, but to be used by those behind the Grand Plan. It’s
working very successfully as you see the destruction of everything that was in order to make way for that which is to
come. This is an incredible – you can’t really read about it in five minutes. You’d have to read and study the Egyptian
Book of the Dead and you’d have to study many of the inscriptions that were left by the scribes of Egypt and cursive
shorthand, which they had as well as the hieroglyphics, and you compare that with Babylon, what’s been dug up there
and their inscriptions, and then you’ll find it’s the same mystery religion in every empire that ever existed down through
time.
Jackie: And is that where the Cabbalistic–
Alan: The Cabbalism was literally taken from Babylon. It didn’t originate in Jerusalem and the Cabbala was added to
the–
Jackie: The mysteries?
Alan: Yes. That’s why it has the 10 fruits on the trees of the Tree of Life, because at that time when Babylon created the
Cabbala there were only 10 signs of the zodiac you see. So it’s a very, very in depth mystery religion and you have to
study it intensely to understand the different languages and miss nothing. If you miss anything at all, you can miss the
most amazing things.
Jackie: Okay, the “Egyptian Book of the Dead,” is that available in English?
Alan: Yes. You can get translations.
Jackie: Are there translations that are real and translations that are lies?
Alan: You’ll get different translations. You have to go back to either Beardsen who was the initial historian–
Jackie: How do you spell that?
Alan: B-E-A-R-D-S-E-N, I think it is.
Jackie: Would that book be available?
Alan: It should be through libraries.
Jackie: I would just buy the “Egyptian Book of the Dead?”
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And do you have a first name for this Beardsen guy?
Alan: Oh no. He’s always just called Beardsen and also you can get E.A. Wallis Budge, who was another translator in
the early part of the 1900’s.
Jackie: But let me ask you this: Are they the same translation?
Alan: They’re pretty similar because you must remember from the hieroglyphs and you’re talking a different language
into another language, you have to often–
Jackie: Substitute words.
Alan: Substitute and almost unfortunately destroy some of the meanings, or else use more than just one word to
translate one word. You might use a phrase occasionally to try and get the whole meaning of it there.
Jackie: Well, let me ask you this: Have you read both Beardsen and Budge’s “Egyptian Book of the Dead?”
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: If you were going to recommend one, which one would it be?
Alan: Budge’s is cheaper and it’s just as good really.
Jackie: E.A. Wallis Budge.Thank you, because you see I’m still not really following what you’re saying. You’re saying
they want us to think that there is some importance to the astrological signs and times and ages, but there really isn’t, but
they use it for their own plan.
Alan: No. They want you to think that there’s a magic quality to it.
Jackie: I don’t understand. What do you mean magic quality?
Alan: That there’s forces and powers you can get from the stars or the planets.
Jackie: When I was saying what I was saying, I wasn’t talking about forces or powers. I was talking about influence of
the particular planets at particular times et cetera and you know that I am not a fool. I know that I have been naïve. I
know I’ve come out of a lot of ignorance and I’ve got a long way to go. I have had an astrological chart drawn up and the
person that did it did not know me from Adam; and it was me, the natal chart that was drawn up. And I had one drawn
on the girls and maybe our listeners are going to think I’m cuckoo and New Age and all that, but the reason I did is
because I saw how very much the chart that was drawn up on me was me and there are influences that maybe can be
helpful throughout our life, and I don’t mean using that to live by. I don’t mean that at all but there is something to it.
That’s what I’m saying. I don’t know what it is to it, but if these guys use it – and you know what, we’ve got to take our
break first. We’re back. Alan, thanks. Okay, well, I don’t know. Maybe we ought to just get off the subject because it
just isn’t making sense, what I’m not doing and it isn’t because I don’t want to understand. I’m just not understanding
what you’re saying. They use this and yet–
Alan: They used it for their own plan’s time-clock, you see, and every symbol and every planet is a symbol of part of
their action, like Mars is a God of War, for instance, that type of thing; so when that would come into the appendancy,
that means that they would use that time for their war.
Jackie: The wars have been going on forever.
Alan: Oh, I know, but the big ones at certain times, the really big ones, the big changes, that’s really what they mean by
that.
Jackie: So in other words, it isn’t a particular really more effective for them. It isn’t more that they can influence people
more at that particular time. It’s just the timeframe that they use?
Alan: That’s it, yes, and as I say, they planned it such a long time ago. I don’t think it’s the first time it’s happened and
the Hindus say that we go through these phases you might say of birth, living and then destruction. These are called
“ages” and of course in the legends of all peoples we have these world disaster periods, floods and earthquakes and so
on. Even in Sumer, in the Sumerian tablets, they claim that prior to their coming into existence, their city, there had
been catastrophes on the earth where old continents had sunk and new ones had arisen from the sea.
Jackie: That they created?
Alan: It’s possible. If you go into the writings of Tacitus, who wrote for Nero, he talked to the Druids in Britain and
they claim that they had records of three previous ages, maybe 125,000 years apart, and that the survivors and the high
priests of course, always the nobility–
Jackie: They do survive, don’t they?
Alan: Yes. They tunneled into mountains and took provisions in to live for long periods; and that tallies with the
records of Greece, where their priesthood tunneled into Mt. Parnassus and claimed the same thing that they survived the
disasters.
Jackie: We’ll take a call. Do you have more you want to say on that, Alan?
Alan: That also tallies with the story of the Ark, because there’s no Ark as such, it’s allegory, but the mountain Ararat
that it lies upon is riddled with tunnels.
Jackie: There we are. We have a call. Okay, you’re on the air. Who are we talking to?
Myron: Yes. Good evening Ms.–
Jackie: Oh, is it Myron?
Myron: Yes it is. How are you?
Jackie: I’m fine.
Myron: Good evening Mr. Watt.
Alan: Good evening.
Jackie: Okay, go ahead.
Myron: Last night I heard you mention Passover and I was wondering if Mr. Watt could explain this teaching of the
Passover that many ministers teach out of the Old Testament and what is the symbolism or the meaning of this Passover
that’s really being talked about?
Jackie: Okay, good question, Myron.
Myron: Yes, thank you.
Jackie: Give him just a minute to get his radio turned up, Alan. Okay, Passover.
Alan: That was a fairly recent invention because the historian Josephus, who lived in the 1st century AD, claims that
the Passover was a fairly new institution and it hadn’t actually grounded itself with any historical past.
Jackie: Wasn’t the Old Testament already written then?
Alan: I doubt it.
Jackie: It was the first century AD?
Alan: Yes, I don’t think the Old Testament was all written at all.
Jackie: Not all written but weren’t those first five books already put into–
Alan: That’s the first five books of Moses. The thing is, as Josephus said, there was no – it was hazy as to why it came
into existence. It was a festival time and sometime it had been equated with a festival of lights, which they usually had
at these times, but, as far as a bloody sacrifice type thing, that wasn’t part of it at that time in his day.
Jackie: Hanukkah as they call their festival of lights, but I’m reminded of Velikovsky’s book and you had mentioned
him so often and World’s in Collision” and oh my goodness, Alan. That book and the “Earth in Upheaval,” I couldn’t put
them down when I got started reading. This is another thing. I’m glad Myron brought this up because I was thinking of
that because it doesn’t jive with Velikovsky’s book, as far as at least that one “Cataclysm” and I think it was supposed to
be around 3,600 years ago when the comet came around and did all the damage et cetera, but he talks in there about
what the rabbis actually said about that time because it wasn’t something the way the story was written in Exodus. It was
a worldwide conflagration.
Alan: In fact, the Babylonian priests wrote more about it than anybody because they were the main scientists of their
day and astronomers. After it was over they were called into Egypt because they had to reset the world calendar because
the time of the earth’s spinning had changed.
Jackie: The sun was even coming up from a different place.
Alan: Yes and when it settled down.
Jackie: And they had to find out where the seasons were.
Alan: They had to reset the calendar.
Jackie: Well, here’s the thing, that in Velikovsky’s book, he said that – well, you know in the Old Testament version in
Exodus that the sun was gone for three days and the darkness was terrible. Well, on the other side of the earth, historical
writings say that the sun stayed in the sky for three days and the rivers running red with blood. It was happening all over
the world because of some stuff that was coming out of the tail of that comet–
Alan: It was raining fire.
Jackie: They said that too, but the red – Velikovsky mentions this in his book from many different sources and it was
almost a water soluble type of a mineral and it did stink and–
Alan: And it also burned up the cattle and it was red hot.
Jackie: Therefore these rabbis and it was a compendium I think of what the rabbis basically said, that the so-called
Exodus – people were leaving because they were looking for food. They were looking for water and that if there were –
if they were not Hyksos, if they were whatever his chosen people were, that 49 out of 50 of them died and it wasn’t just
them leaving.
Alan: No, no. Everybody was running.
Jackie: Everybody was on the move.
Alan: Also the peoples of the sea were coming in from another direction hoping to get away from it too.
Jackie: Right. Therefore what the Pharisees, scribes, whoever wrote all of this, they just took a historical event and
wound it into–
Alan: A myth.
Jackie: The private little story about the chosen people.
Alan: It’s a myth.
Jackie: Yes, a myth and that Jehovah brought all these curses down on the pharaoh’s people because pharaoh wouldn’t
let his people go because Jehovah had hardened his heart so he could–
Alan: Well, that’s fine. Jehovah was more honest because he also played the devil you see.
Jackie: You know this seems awful stupid to me and I don’t mean to offend anybody but this is supposed to be our
loving Creator and he says well I want you to go get my people. You tell the pharaoh to let them go but I’m not going to
let them. I know he’s not going to let them go because I’m going to harden his heart so they won’t and then I’ll bring all
these plagues down and I can prove to the world that I’m the Lord God almighty.
Alan: Really, he’s playing solitaire with himself.
Jackie: I don’t mean to joke about it because I know to some people this is very hurtful, but, gee, all we have to do is
take a look at it and say wait a minute. It depends upon our concept. Of course I don’t know that any of us have truly the
concept of Creator, but we can know what it isn’t, Alan.
Alan: Well, that’s it and in the Talmud they’re more upfront with that, that no one can actually know or figure out the
mind of a creator.
Jackie: Do they actually say that?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Okay, so then who do they say Jehovah was?
Alan: That’s another deity. They even have another story of Moses. In the Talmud it’s different from the one in the Old
Testament.
Jackie: Do they?
Alan: Moses was actually a full Egyptian, Ramoses; it means child, Child of RA.
Jackie: Son of RA.
Alan: So he left and he wanted to take over the pharaoh’s job and he went to Ethiopia and builds himself up there,
recruited an army and went to attack Egypt, so there’s a whole different story told in the Talmud.
Jackie: Okay, Myron’s actual question was: Is their symbology there?
Alan: There’s astronomical symbologies and also agricultural symbology. It’s a pass-over from death into life for spring
and planting, the crops and so on. It’s all nature and pantheistic, really, and it’s a time for planting and also for seed. It
symbolizes the death lying through the winter comes to life again, the resurrection.
Jackie: Like Easter?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Just like Easter. Okay. All right, that makes sense. Freemasonry, for anybody who’s a freemason who might be
listening or who knows one, I’d like to share, if I may, Alan – this is a part that I had forgotten all about. They suck them
in and they stroke them and groom them and they mention some place in here it will be the people in high offices and it
will be the judges and the administrators and you mentioned I think last night the captains, the police forces. All of them
and there they are and they say oh well we might spare them or some of them but the others we’ll kill.
Alan: There’s one thing that Masons do allow the public to know through a rumor, and that’s if you join it you get
unmerited favor and help with your career and promotion and so on. They make sure they get people who really are
almost corrupt anyway who will join it for those very reasons. They also tell you you can bypass petty bureaucracy and
get tax relief and so on, if you join. That’s the bait.
Jackie: Tax relief?
Alan: They get different assessments.
Jackie: These local and county and city officials and state legislators, do you think that every time they raise taxes,
property taxes et cetera, do you think their’s get raised?
Alan: No, they don’t and neither do lawyers because lawyers help with the real estate scams and so they are
automatically are exempted from land taxes.
Jackie: And these people think they’re going to be exempt from all the evil they’re doing?
Alan: What they don’t realize is you see most people on this planet, at the moment, at this stage that we’re at right now,
are expendable and it’s coming to the stage where they’ll try and fulfill the promise to wipe out over three quarters of the
population. There will be an awful lot of people wiped out, good and bad, if they get their way and they’re ready for it
now. We know this because they’ve been prepping us for years with coming plagues and all this stuff, at the very time
when we know that we can splice genes and join anything to anything, even viruses to bacterium, which is the flesheating
disease. It’s the first one in history that was created, two different species joined together. They’re ready to
unleash a lot of stuff on the public and these will not be race-specific. These will spread right through–
Jackie: Not race specific, right. There was an article in a newsletter just recently that said that the scientists somewhere
have been given permission to create a mouse with a human brain.
Alan: They’ve done more than that. They’ve done all of these – whenever they tell you they’re doing something, this is
the old stuff. They were doing genetic modifications in the 1920’s.
Jackie: And if the mouse starts acting like a human being then they’re going to make them quit.
Alan: Well, he might become maybe a Christian mouse. So there you go. There’ll be a whole new set of lawyers to deal
with all of this.
Jackie: One of the things I don’t think that we’ve discussed and maybe our listeners, a lot of them, know about it, but
maybe they don’t, was that terrible flu virus that they shipped. Would you talk about that? Will you mention the plague?
Alan: In the papers about a week ago, supposedly the CDC had sent out thousands of vials of 1950’s version of the flu
to laboratories all over the world and also one shipment with Ebola. Now, I don’t know if they really did this or if it’s a
scare to the public, because it seems an incredible thing that they’d do, but certainly it’s having an effect on the public of
terrifying them and getting them ready for a coming plague.
Jackie: Well, it will terrify them if they read the article. However, I remember the article that I read that somebody had
emailed on the internet. They said that most of these have been mailed from the U.S. and their concern is that some of
the labs haven’t received theirs yet.
Alan: They said in fact, in the last document about it, they said that my goodness the ones that had not been destroyed
was in Lebanon but they were in the process of destroying it. In other words, psychologically they were attaching it to
terrorism.
Jackie: Sure and not only that, but it will be a good excuse or justification – well, what brought it to my mind was when
you said the plagues that they are readying. This could be a prelude to it. You know this sounds like such a downer. You
can’t not talk about it, Alan.
Alan: You cannot face truth unless you look at the dark side, you see, and that’s the problem with people. They’re
egosyntonic. They’ve been trained that way. They want to only look at the things that make them feel good and because
of that they’re wide open to whatever it is going to happen. That is a choice because maturity takes a person, and truly
seeking truth, takes a person to look at all sides of everything and you must be prepared to look at the blackest black
you’ve ever looked at—the void.
Jackie: That was in the chapter of the Family of Dark which I shared with our listeners a few weeks ago and that’s what
they actually said, that in order truly to be in light, if you would, enlightened or aware, you have to know the depths of
the evil, the darkness.
Alan: We’ve got to get out of this Disney World where people are really responsible at the top and are there because
they’re good and decent and just people. The opposite is true. The corrupt people are at the top and it’s only the corrupt
people who can get to the top in this particular system we live in.
Jackie: Before we go off the air tonight because we won’t be back until Monday, a thought that occurred to me that I
would like to share with our listeners is in knowing this it doesn’t mean that we have to dwell on it every moment of our
lives, folks. We share the information with those who want to know and there are times – there are precious moments
and those precious moments are times that we spend with our loved ones, with our children, with our friends, times of
being quiet and seeking a self-awareness. In other words, we don’t have to swim in this sea of darkness. That’s what I’m
trying to say, Alan, because I wouldn’t be able to live.
Alan: Most people couldn’t and that’s what I say. Those who think that they can’t face it shouldn’t even look at it. They
should continue the way they are and what makes them happy, but those who are looking for truth have no option but to
look at the dark side.
Jackie: Yes, I understand, but do you understand what I just said?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: That we don’t have to swim in it. In other words, we know it. It’s there and once we know it, we cannot un-know
it, but, in other words, if it is all we dwell in – well, maybe I’m only speaking for myself. It would be unbearable and I
just wanted to say that because there are precious moments and there are times even when you say some silly thing to
lighten up the conversation. In a sense, that’s a precious moment. Okay, that’s what I mean because that’s what I mean
because I don’t want to leave the broadcast tonight on just a note of hopeless, helplessness, evil, darkness, because it
isn’t all evil and darkness. Like you said, there are good people and there is love in this world and really it all begins
with us.
Alan: It begins with the individuals who must look at everything and who have gone through the darkness and come out
again and they know that it’s evil and they know that they must fight it, you see. It’s not an occasional fight. You know
you’re going to fight this thing with everything you’ve got.
Jackie: Yes, exactly. We’re out of our hour tonight. Once again, thank you so much, and ladies and gentlemen, we will
be back with you Monday and thank you for being here and Creator bless you all tonight. Good night, Alan.
Alan: Good night.
(Transcribed by Linda)
August 1st, 2005
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Let me get my record button going here. Thanks for
joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Monday, and it is the first day of August, in the year 2005.
And I hope you had a lovely weekend, folks. A nice weekend, or peaceful, or fun, pleasant, loving. I hope
you had a nice weekend. And Alan Watt is with us, this evening. I was looking for something that I wanted
to share with you tonight, and I’m not finding it. I apologize for this. Oh, here we are. This is what I
wanted to do tonight. This is Saint Francis of Assisi’s Prayer, for our spiritual message. “Father, make me
an instrument of your peace. Where there is hatred, let me so love. Where there is injury, let me so
pardon. Where there is doubt, faith. Where there is despair let me sow hope. Where there is darkness, let
me sow light. And where there is sadness, let me sow joy. Father, grant that I may not so much seek to be
consoled as to console, to be understood as to understand, to be loved as to love, for it is in giving that we
receive. It is in pardoning that we are pardoned and it is in dying that we are born into eternal life.” And
dying, you know, well of course, dying is what we call leaving this physical body. Death. And maybe dying
is also, it just occurred to me as I was reading this, folks, maybe it also means giving up the old, if you
would, the lies. Maybe it means the rebirth, if you would, right here in this physical world of coming into the
truth, coming out of the lies. I don’t know. It’s just a thought I had. Alan, thanks for being with us tonight.
Alan Watt: Yeah, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Yeah, cold and all.
Alan: Cold and all. Yeah.
Jackie: Well, you’re sounding a whole lot better. Alan has been kind of down with a cold, and he was kind
enough to come on with us this evening, folks. Alan, I have a letter here from a listener. I’m not going to
read the entire letter, but I wanted to address this, and probably you’ll have some relevant comments to
make. And first, I want to thank our listener, who sent this to me, because I know that it was sent out of
kindness, out of the goodness of your heart. It mentions a book, and the listener said that they heard the
week before or two weeks before, and found out about the founding of America, Alan, and the Revolution
and all that, and he said that I sounded despondent. And so, he sent pages of a book, or she, because the
individual just said, concerned citizen. But the book is called Oashpe. Evidently it’s published by the
theosophical society. And it says that America’s history is in this book. 25,000 years of history. And
according to this book, America was ordered by the ordained, or ordered by the creator to bring liberty and
light to the world. And that America was to be used to bring the, I’m not sure, it’s handwritten, I don’t know
if it’s Cosman or Coman Era in, but according to this book, Oashpe, Thomas Paine is the father of the
American Revolution, and that seven of the founding fathers were graded 80 in the angelic realms, and it
shows George Washington was under the guardianship of 1000 angels. And when I read this, it reminded
me of me some years back, because I had read a book, I think it was called Climb the Highest Mountain, and
I cannot remember the group that put it out. But there was a section in the book, it was about the White
Brotherhood, Alan. And there was a section in the book about the Constitution, and how they were present,
and how the Constitution was divinely inspired and as I told you recently, not too long ago in a conversation,
I believed that that was true. And I believed that there could have been whatever we would call them,
higher beings, there guiding our wonderful founders. And I would like to say, once again, thank you to our
listener who sent this, and I want you to know that I did feel that way at one time, but there’s enough
evidence, there’s just too much evidence. George Washington was an illuminist. He was a, was he a
member of the Grand Orient, do you know, Alan?
Alan: He was a member of the Beenan Orden, which was the Illuminati Order; they use the beehive as their
symbol. And every Illuminati Lodge was styled after the beehive. In all the Masonic paintings, the official
Masonic paintings of Washington, you’ll find the symbol of the beehive generally down towards the bottom
of the portrait.
Jackie: You’ve got that photograph in one of your books. Is that the first book?
Alan: I think so, yeah.
Jackie: It’s a photograph of a painting of George Washington, and there it is, the beehive down in the
corner. Thomas Paine?
Alan: Well, Thomas Paine is a pain alright. You’ve got to remember, a lot of these guys adopted names of
previous famous people, or else they were direct descendants of people, because one of the founders of the
Knight Templar, his last name was Payen, which of course, put it into the English and you’ve got Paine.
Jackie: Payen, what language was that, Payen?
Alan: From the French. One of the nine knights, as they say, the nine knights who founded the Templars,
one of them was Hugh de Payen. And so, it’s no coincidence that you end up with a Payen, or a Paine, who
was a world revolutionary, because once he was finished, he came from England after trying to get
revolutions going there.
Jackie: Thomas Paine did?
Alan: Yeah, and he went to the U.S., and then he went over to France afterwards too.
Jackie: Probably he went over there with Lafayette.
Alan: Oh, he did. He was part of the Revolutionary in France, and he eventually got locked up by the guys
who were leading the Revolution. It took a lot of pull from the US to get him free.
Jackie: Why’d they lock him up?
Alan: These were international revolutionaries.
Jackie: Well, why would they lock him up if they were the guys that were behind the revolution?
Alan: Because he thought it was getting out of control with the killing, or the bloodlust. He thought they
would kill off the nobles, but they started to start to chop off the heads of ordinary people once they’d
finished with the nobles, and he interjected to try and stop that. And that wasn’t part of the agenda,
obviously, and so they locked him up as well. And I think he also didn’t agree with the end of the revolution.
It was supposed to continue into other countries, and cause world revolution. That’s also what he objected
to, was basically they made it localized, just in France.
Jackie: So, in other words, then it sounds like the possibility that Thomas Paine actually believed in the
revolution, because, you know, Alan, this is the thing that makes them seem so right, is that the feudal
system under the monarchies. The people were enslaved, and of course, what we read is that the revolution
is what got rid of the monarchies, and gave the people the democracies and all that. But is it a possibility
that Thomas Paine actually thought it would be a good thing for the people?
Alan: It could very well be so. It’s difficult to tell with a lot of these guys, because in a sense they’re all
politicians. They say one thing to the public, but they also do the opposite. It’s difficult to say if he truly
believed in this world revolution or he knew there was to be another plan that took over once it was
completed. It’s really hard to tell right now. I also know that the world revolutionaries were being trained
from the 1500s onwards. It’s like John Wilkes Booth, that shot Lincoln, John Wilkes Booth, he was named
John Wilkes after a famous revolutionary of England, who kept getting locked up in the Tower of London for
trying to cause revolutions in England. So his father named him after this revolutionary. So this is in the
family type of thing. These guys were literally being taught and reared from childbirth to be revolutionaries.
And of course it continued.
Jackie: So then they did believe in it.
Alan: And even then though, you see, to the ordinary working Joe who was basically illiterate, it was no
different from the Communist, in fact, the Communist Party took over from the World Revolutionary Party.
It was one and the same thing. And the guys at the bottom were given a different spiel about what the
outcome was to be from the guys in the upper management level of the revolution. It was to be a scientific
social revolution, where an upper elite would eventually run the lives of everyone at the bottom. Of course
the working man was told something completely different. But they need the ordinary people to support
them, the mob as they called them, to get them behind them and to fight for them. And that’s what they
did in Russia too, for the Soviet Union.
Jackie: Yes, and under those systems, the systems under which the people lived then, you know, you could
understand the people wanting to be out from under it.
Alan: Sure, and they really thought they were going to make themselves free. But just as we saw what
happened in the Soviet Union, if we jump back to the French Revolution, we see the emergence of a much,
much deeper and long, you know, something that was planned out long before, obviously, because they had
population reduction, population control, whole departments set up for this. They started to kill off people in
the rural areas, because they wanted a certain figure in every region as they called it. And they were sinking
people by the boatloads, just because they lived on this part of the land, and they wanted a fixed population,
vastly reduced from what it was. And these were ordinary people they were killing, just peasants.
Jackie: Just to reduce the population.
Alan: That’s always been part of this agenda. And it was the same in the Soviet Union. The Soviets
slaughtered so many millions that no one can actually put a definite figure on it. It’s over 60 million anyway,
well over. And also, it was standard in the Soviet Union.
Jackie: When we say 60 million people, oh, 60 million people were slaughtered, a person has to stop and
literally think about that. You think about, I thought about this. I thought about, Alan, I’m saying this for
our listeners, to really get it folks, what he just said. For example, New York City, how many people are in
New York, about, do you know Alan?
Alan: Oh, I have no idea what it would be now.
Jackie: We’ll say 14 million maybe.
Alan: Yeah, in the greater.
Jackie: Yeah, in the greater, we’ll say 15 million. Okay, we’re talking 50 million. And I think about, okay,
picture a city, let’s say with the population of New York in it, and going into that city and every single
individual in that city is dead. It brings the numbers into some sense of reality, because that’s so far out to
imagine that they could have killed 50, 60 million people. That is just almost beyond our ability to conceive
of that.
Alan: And yet that was all part of a long-laid strategy, a plan, because Lenin, who obviously was tutored
from childbirth for his particular coming role, started the Reign of Terror, exactly what they did in the
Revolutionary France, the same technique. When you have no external enemy, no immediate external
enemy, to control the public, you must create a terror within. And that’s what the Soviet Union did. They
started to pick up ordinary citizens, next-door neighbors, anybody would do. In fact Lenin sent out gangs of
henchmen, and he told them, Trotsky talked about this in his book called “My Life” and Lenin ordered these
gangs just to go into rural areas, and take a dozen men from each little place, hang them from the trees,
and leave them there to rot. He said that will strike terror into the peasantry and they’ll do what they’re
told. This is what you’re dealing with with these great heroes, you know. You’re dealing with absolutely
ruthless sociopaths, and they look upon the ordinary people, the champions of the working man, eh. These
people look upon the ordinary people as the lowest scum that walks the planet. That’s what Communist
followers can never get through their heads. It’s a Scientific Socialism, based on Darwinism, which is the
right of the fittest to survive and rule those who are less equipped to survive. That’s the whole doctrine,
really, of Communism.
Jackie: And they create the situation, or the environment, where those that are, you know, less able to
survive, that’s why they’re less able to survive.
Alan: Yes, indeed.
Jackie: Because of the conditions. They create those conditions.
Alan: Yes. It’s almost like someone having a cow and breaking the legs of that cow, and then being
disgusted that the cow can’t get up. That’s what you find with the elite.
Jackie: That’s a wonderful analogy.
Alan: They cause the problem, and then they despise the people who are sick or starving and unemployed
and all the rest of it. So that’s typical of how they rationalize everything they do. They always blame the
victim rather than blame themselves, and that’s psychopathic behavior.
Jackie: Well, you know, getting back to the American Revolution, it would be different if there wasn’t so
much evidence to point otherwise, the possibility, because it all made sense to us as we were growing up,
and oh, this was the war for independence, you know, from Britain, but it’s George Washington who was so
big a part of that who was, he had Royal Blood, I understand. He was an illuminist.
Alan: He was trained by the British army.
Jackie: Yeah. And they knew exactly what America was being founded for, to do exactly what it’s doing
today.
Alan: And they put up that big obelisk in his honor. It wasn’t a Christian cross. It wasn’t anything to do with
Christianity. It was an Egyptian obelisk they put up there for him.
Jackie: Right, exactly. And what’s his name, Thomas Jefferson.
Alan: And Thomas Jefferson was an admitted illuminist. In fact, Thomas Jefferson in his own memoirs
writes about Thomas Malthus whom he corresponded with. And Thomas Malthus was the guy who came out
with the economic policy for killing off the excess population, due to economic reasons and how to feed
them and starve them so they’d be too weak to run off on a plantation, that type of stuff.
Jackie: And you know, there’s always these wonderful quotations you can find like the one that George
Washington, I think it was his speech when he left office at the end of his presidential term and said, you
know, to beware of tangling alliances with other nations and all of that. They had the American people in
debt to Great Britain, right after the Revolutionary War, with the Peace Treaty. And even in the Constitution,
all the debts owed to other nations have to be paid. And it was the banksters. And George Washington was
the one that signed the first Bank of America in, what was it, a twenty-year thing that they had?
Alan: That’s right. So, sure, I mean it’s a serpent as they say, they always use their symbols in everything,
and the Bank of America, BOA, is a boa, like a boa constrictor, you know. Put a Z on the end of it and
you’ve got Boaz, you know, almost.
Jackie: Now, who was Boaz?
Alan: That’s the Masonic Towers. There’s always Twin Towers, the male and female, Jachin and Boaz. Boa,
Boaz means also the serpent. And that’s why boa is a boa constrictor. It’s a serpent. So, the Bank of
America has the clue right in it. These guys don’t make any mistakes.
Jackie: No. Well, let’s be careful, because they mean what they’re saying, in other words. But I don’t, I
don’t buy it that they don’t ever make mistakes.
Alan: They literally created the language. The language we use is theirs. And that’s what I mean by
attention to detail. They don’t come out with any abbreviations without there being another meaning behind
it. Everything is like that.
Jackie: In other words, that’s not a coincidence.
Alan: No, it’s not.
Jackie: Right, they know what they’re doing.
Alan: And of course then they brought Jacob Schiff over just in time for the American Civil War, and Schiff
was doing the same deal. He was even involved in the ownership of the companies that made the uniforms
for both the North and the South all through the Civil War. One of them you just simply dyed blue, the other
one was gray, but they were identical otherwise. So it’s just one scam after another, but the people keep
falling for it. That’s the problem. We never learn, you know. Think of the money too that was also
borrowed for all the wars since the American Revolution. There’s trillions and trillions supposedly in debt,
although it’s all bogus, and we know it’s bogus, but as long as everybody believes in it, it goes on. And I can
remember when the US owed one trillion dollars. And at that time they said if you put dollars end to end, it
would stretch around the moon and back. And I don’t know how many trillions of dollars the US owes now.
So you can’t pay this off, ever, and it’s not intended to be paid off, obviously. How can you pay it off when
your industry has gone overseas?
Jackie: Well, it couldn’t be paid off anyway, because it’s debt. It’s loaned into circulation. It’s a debt to
begin with. And then they never print enough of these paper dollars and fives and whatever. They never
print enough to have it in circulation to pay off the interest.
Alan: And also, a debt, if you are a debtor, you see, you are in slavery. If you are borrowing money, and
you owe money, technically, even by the Old Testament rules, which are the Masonic rules, you are a slave.
And everyone now flashes the cards for everything that they want.
Jackie: No, not everyone.
Alan: Well, the vast majority.
Jackie: The vast majority, yes.
Alan: The vast majority do that. It’s a normal way of life now. In fact, they did studies recently, and they
found that, I think, 70% of Americans and Canadians now are using the debtor cards and so on, and they
don’t handle cash at all.
Jackie: The debit cards, yeah. I would venture to say that the majority of our listeners on Sweet Liberty are
not of that ilk that you were talking about. Because I get many, many of the donations that come in from
money orders or cash. And because so many of our, I believe a lot of our listeners don’t even have checking
accounts. I have one. You know, to pay. I pay my public bills with it. You know, like the gas and electric
and phone. But that’s all I do. Everything else I do, I just do it cash. And it’s just a principle. It’s none of
their business where I’m spending my money.
Alan: They also admitted now that they’re issuing the same ID cards, it’s to be used in the States, they’re
issuing it now in Britain. And they’ve also admitted it’s now also to be used for your banking, as well. So it
is to be part of the cashless society.
Jackie: Didn’t they bring that out right after that? Wasn’t it recent that they brought it out?
Alan: Yeah, they did.
Jackie: Right after that bombing.
Alan: Right after the fortunate bombings that happened right at the right time, when Blair was about to get
tossed out of Parliament for all his lies, these friends, these terrorists, just helped him out there, you know.
It’s amazing how they always come to their. I noticed that with George Bush too, each time that he was
plummeting in the polls, Bin Laden just magically would send out another video saying ‘We hate America.’
And Bush would come out and make his speech, and be the strong man, and suddenly his polls would go up
again. It’s such a pantomime, you know.
Jackie: Well, I’ll tell you, Valentine, she’s the lady that has, and I haven’t mentioned this in a while, so I
should. She did some really awesome stuff, you know, on these videos, these alleged videos by Osama Bin
Laden, and she put each of them side by side by side, and every single one of them were different people
Alan. She did an email of that thing, and it was just amazing.
Alan: Yeah, as I say, isn’t it amazing that it’s always when they need something to happen that something
always does?
Jackie: Well, remember Clinton. Where did he go bomb? Right around the Lewinsky scandal.
Alan: Yeah, that’s right. I remember that too.
Jackie: Yeah. Sudan?
Alan: He was dropping the cruise missiles over Iraq, every so often.
Jackie: Well, they were doing that ever since the first Iraq war.
Alan: Oh, yeah. I know.
Jackie: They were doing bi-weekly bombing runs. They had that country just absolutely blasted away before
even the second Gulf War started, the Iraq War started.
Alan: As I say, the revolution goes on, and what we’re living through now, is simply the next phase of the
revolution, which is into the society, which they’ve written well about, in detail, in many publications, that’s
to be run by the experts and there will be no private rights of any kind for the ordinary people. And they
want a very controlled population, right down to the exact number that they actually need for any particular
job. Eventually, in the future they said that no one would be allowed to have a child unless they have a
function for that child. So this is the next part of the same ancient revolution that’s just ongoing, which they
call scientific Socialism. It’s run by Fascists at the top, of course, but it’s a Socialistic, Communistic
Bureaucracy System that’s used to control all of the people.
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Jackie: I received a letter from a new listener, Alan. And this is the gentleman that had called you. He had
sent a donation. He said he had been a listener for approximately two months, and he said, “I find your
program quite an eye-opening, myth-busting experience.” “I admire your courage to put this kind of
repressed information out before the whole world. Count me as a person that your show is in the process of
‘waking up’.” He said, “I’ve sent for Alan’s Book I. Last evening I spoke to him, via phone, to elaborate on
some points I’ve heard him make on your show. He’s a fascinating as well as enlightening person. Thank
you for having such a guest, as well as the access.” And that’s from Bill in New York. And Bill, thank you. I
appreciated that. It’s nice. I always enjoy hearing from our listeners. And it’s nice to know that we have
new listeners coming in, that are waking up, Alan. Because there could be no other reason for doing this
broadcast if it wasn’t just to. And sometimes it does seem like a downer. I would like to do a broadcast one
time, that’s uplifting. You know what I mean? But it isn’t the truth. Well, it isn’t very. It is uplifting to
know the truth, but the truth can hurt. And I do know that. And I think there’s enough research and
resourced information there that you will understand why I no longer buy into the America, the land of the
free and the home of the brave that never was, from the beginning. It just never was. And I’m going to let
Alan give you the information now on how you can get his books. Alan, go ahead, please.
Alan: Yes. There are three of them. They’re called Cutting Through, One, Two, and Three. [See ordering
information on transcript.] And I’ll send them out just as soon as I can. And they go through a lot of the
history of Freemasonry, pre-Freemasonry, and I go back thousands of years to show you how the money
system was taking over countries, 2,000-3,000 BC, and how the armies were formed once they had the
money system in circulation, and then they used one army to simply go and force the same system on the
neighboring country, or the neighboring tribe, and this has gone on right up to the present time.
Jackie: Yeah, that’s what’s so mind blowing, to realize that it just goes back and back and back. And it’s the
same thing as like when you were telling about Sumer. At least 6,000 years ago. And the guy who wrote
the book, what was it called, Alan? On Sumer. What was the name of the book?
Alan: The book on Sumer was Life Begins at Sumer, and they have a blurb there. It was written on slate by,
they think it might have been a student, because they had a tremendous school system, 5,000 BC for the
bureaucrats, these guys who become the priests, specialized priests in different areas, even real estate ones,
and other ones went into law, and this guy said, I looked from the east to the west horizons and I see
nothing but government buildings. And they taxed the people for everything, he said, when they’d bring in
the fish, they were taxed for catching the fish. They were taxed when they sell the fish. He said, and even
when the relatives come to the grave sites to put offerings on the graves, they come and they take the
death duties, the death taxes. They take the food from the graves. And this was all government officials,
5000BC.
Jackie: And you’re saying that this book was initially written back then?
Alan: Oh, no. I mean the translations.
Jackie: You said it was written on slate. Oh, he found all the information on slate.
Alan: They’ve dug up so much writing from Sumer, it’s just amazing.
Jackie: And they’ve been able to interpret the language or to, what do you call it?
Alan: Oh, yeah. They have it down to a fine art, and it’s nothing like the one that Zechariah Sitchin
invented. They’ve dug up the remains of old schools where children at five years old and six years old who
had been taught geometry and so on and trigonometry. This is common. So, man is far, far older than
they’d have us believe, and they had advanced systems thousands of years ago. I’m sure Sumer simply was
a sort of revamped system, a new system of a new age of its day, but there’s no doubt that the knowledge
came from a much earlier civilization. And they do talk about it in the tablets of Sumer, that at one time
there were advanced civilizations and tremendous earthquakes hit the whole planet, and some of the
continents sunk beneath the waves and took the cities with them, and new continents arouse out of the sea.
So, man is far, far, far older than they’d have us believe. Of course, they don’t want us to understand or
even know that, because science has always been so far advanced from what the public will ever, ever know
about. The gimmick is to make the people believe through the publications that they give us that they’re
just working on this, and they’re looking forward to improving that one day, or inventing something. This
stuff has all been done long ago. That’s why it’s called re-search.
Jackie: yeah, like hydrogen cars.
Alan: Yeah. Research.
Jackie: I read an article from California, some guy that had a hydrogen car, to use, I think it was from, oh,
what the heck, oh, I can’t remember. Demler, Dambler. He said it cost a million dollars to build that car.
He was able to use it, so that he could experience it and then write about it. It was in, maybe The
Chronicle, one of the California papers. But, Alan, what hogwash. They say, oh, that technology is about
ten years down the road.
Alan: I know. No, you see, it was never intended that the American public drive forever. They only gave
you that transportation during the industrial era. China is now having their industrial era, so they’re putting
down roads, they’re giving them cheap cars and cheap gasoline.
Jackie: And do you know that the automobiles that are being manufactured and sent to China have none of
the emission controls on them?
Alan: No, they don’t need them, and they’re pretty well hogwash anyway.
Jackie: Yeah, right. They’re trading off the air. They’re trading off the air pollution.
Alan: That’s right. You pay a fee for it. It was never intended. Once America had finished its job, which it
hasn’t quite done yet. It’s got to force the last of the remaining Moslem countries into the same system of
democracy as they call it, with a central banking system, their debt system, and their paid politicians for
front people. That’s the last job that the US has to do. And as it’s doing it and finishing it off, they’re
dismantling America back home. That’s what they’re doing.
Jackie: Yeah, do you want to hear something? This came right from the US EPA, Environmental Protection
Agency’s website, that there is a partnership between the US and Israel to monitor the quality of drinking
water, Alan.
Alan: Well, actually, in 1967 the UN had its first water meeting in Israel. And it was in the newspapers at
the time, and they said that water would be one of the prime moneys of the future. It would be actually
used like money. And that Israel was heavily involved in the planning for the future shortages of water. So,
I’m not surprised, you know. That was in the newspapers at that time.
Jackie: Yeah, well, US and Israel partnership.
Alan: They have partnerships across the world though, with just about everybody else, with one deal or
another. And it’s not a country either, you see. We keep falling into this trap of believing there’s a country
there or a country even here. There’s always a handful of people that run every country, including Israel,
you know.
Jackie: I suppose. I don’t know if Israel is a corporation or not. But the US is actually, literally incorporated.
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And do you think Canada is, is Canada a corporation?
Alan: All British Commonwealth countries are. That was where it first came from, was England.
Jackie: And, you know, comment on this. You know, George W Bush the President appointed Wolfowitz to
be the head of the World Bank. How is it that the US President is in that position to appoint head of the
World Bank?
Alan: Well, he’s told what to do.
Jackie: That’s not the point.
Alan: It’s just to fool the public.
Jackie: What, like the World Bank is under the authority of the US?
Alan: That’s what I’m saying. It’s to fool the public. The public must believe their government is real.
Jackie: Well, you know, it occurred to me, and it just occurred to me today, that maybe the World Bankers,
the International Bankers own the US corporation now. Maybe they own the corporation now. Maybe they
own the corporation, Alan.
Alan: I wouldn’t be surprised at all.
Jackie: Because, otherwise, how could you, okay. I mean it’s just there has to be an explanation how the US
President appoints the head of the World Bank.
Alan: Well of course it’s nonsense. The President is only a front man. The Prime Minister of Britain is only a
front man. And that’s well understood in Britain.
Jackie: Well, I know that. I know they’re front men. I know they’re puppets. The point is, there has to be
some legality here. You know, they got this twisted, you know, legal system. The Treasurer, the Secretary
of the Treasury is the Governor of the International Monetary Fund, Alan. And I’ve got the newspaper article
that says it. I mean, I know newspapers lie too, but sometimes they print the truth.
Alan: They have to fool the public to make them believe their government is real and powerful.
Jackie: But what does that tell us about the US government inc? If we aren’t a closely held corporation by
the international bankers. It, I should say, not we, but we are the, what do you call it, the assets.
Alan: That’s right. We are. We’re supposed to keep paying off the debt, and your children’s children and so
on, for evermore, you know. So that is true. We are all collateral for the debt.
Jackie: Collateral, yes.
Alan: And that’s no different from the feudal system. That’s what you were. You served the lord. You had
no rights whatsoever, because you were born into slavery as a slave. Only they called it serf. They changed
the English language a little bit, and called them serfs, because slavery was a bit too upfront, you know. So
they hid it behind the term serf, but yeah, you own nothing. You gave 60% of all your produce to the lord.
And what was left had to feed you, your animals and your helpers, you know. And when you work out the
income taxes today and the hidden taxes, the average person is paying about the same amount of money in
taxes. So serfdom or feudalism is still here.
Jackie: Oh, I bet lots more today.
Alan: It’s actually more in Britain, actually, and Canada. So this con game has gone on forever. And it was
Charles Galton Darwin that said in his book, The Next Million Years, and that’s quite a boast for the
illuminati, he said himself that there has always existed a form of slavery, and we are simply creating a more
sophisticated form of slavery, where the slave will never realize that he is actually a slave.
Jackie: The perfect slave believes he’s free.
Alan: That’s right. So they give you brass bands, and you wave flags and stuff, and you know, you get
parades. And you’re allowed to buy your auto to get to work to pay for that clapboard house that you put
up there and pay the taxes on it. So we’re just a more efficient form of slave, where we don’t really need to
be guarded all the time. We even buy our own clothes out of what’s left over. And our work boots, you
know. So, yeah, it is a more sophisticated form of slavery.
Jackie: And you have to have a license to do everything.
Alan: Well, everything is a privilege, you see, in a democracy.
Jackie: Well, and the definition of a license, their own definition, is, it gives you the right to do something
that would otherwise be illegal.
Alan: Yeah, that’s why it’s a lie on your senses. It’s lie-sense.
Jackie: Lie-sense. Yeah. It’s a lie on your senses. Wow, yes.
Alan: Because, yeah, sure. That’s exactly what it is. You pay a fee, you pay money, then you can do it.
Jackie: So, it would be illegal to fish, see. I mean, basically that’s what they’re saying. You have to get a
license to fish. And so they’re giving you permission with this license to do something that other, so, they
just make every, they make living illegal.
Alan: Oh sure they do. In fact, it’s no different from the Soviet Union, where you cannot do something
during the course of your day, if they want to they can get you because you’ll break one law or another just
walking up the road, you know. And that’s what it’s come down to. Most of the laws are on the books in
case they ever want to pull you in. Anybody, that is, in. That’s why they don’t take laws off the books. No,
we’re living in a prison. It’s just that you don’t see the bars until you try to walk out of that prison without
permission. Then people appear out of nowhere that you never saw before with strange badges in
plainclothes and you find out, my God, there’s another world out there that I knew nothing about.
Jackie: That’s right. Goethe, was that, that there’s none more hopelessly enslaved then he who believes he’s
free.
Alan: Yes. But sure, I mean, how can you be free, when you’re born as an asset, basically, to pay off a
debt?
Jackie: And you have to get a certificate of your birth.
Alan: Even Thomas Jefferson, who was a member of the Illuminati, and this is the amazing thing. The
Illuminati spoke openly, because they knew the public would take it one way, where they could take it
themselves another way, the same statement. But he did say that a generation born into paying off a debt
incurred by a previous generation, are therefore born into slavery. And he said that it’s possible, you know,
in a different system, he said, for every generation to write off the debt of a previous generation. And he
talked about that. So, they knew all this stuff. They knew it all, at that particular time. They were well
aware of it all.
Jackie: And just because he said it, and he’s quoted it, people think that he said it as a warning.
Alan: They always give you a legal warning. And it’s like Benjamin Franklin, saying, what have we got?
Well, a republic, if you can keep it. That’s the same tongue in cheek. It’s man speaks with a forked tongue,
you know. He’s giving two different statements, depending on whose point of view you take it from, the
Illuminati’s or the man in the street. In other words, Franklin knew darn well from the beginning that you’d
never keep it. It wasn’t intended that you would keep it. Because you never really had it.
Jackie: Right, exactly. Thomas Jefferson made a statement about revolution, that something about every
twenty years, that maybe there needs to be a revolution.
Alan: That’s to clear out the ones at the top, because they become lazy, corrupt, and they start immediately
to try and get their offspring into the same positions. And Jefferson admitted that, that as soon as they had
the older guys beginning to retire from government, they were already getting their offspring in. Benjamin
Franklin tried to get his son, his son was called Temple, by the way. He tried to get him into a government
position, but he was unsuccessful. Other members did get their offspring into position. So you end up with
these hereditary oligarchies, basically. And it’s no different today. I mean, you get Bush #1, Bush 2, Bush
3, you know, it goes on and on and on. And they’re all intermarried, so it doesn’t matter what name they
use. If you go back in their histories, you’ll find they’re all cousins. So, yeah, you’re voting in an oligarchy.
Jackie: Well, yes. Just a reminder, that evidently Bush and Kerry were third cousins.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Both members of Skull and Bones.
Alan: And the royalty of Europe.
Jackie: And the royalty of Europe, yes.
Alan: And that was published by Burke’s Peerage, which is the Queen’s official genealogist. So, it’s true.
These guys are all related to royalty and I really don’t understand why people keep falling for it and voting
for people who promise them things, but never, never live up to it.
Jackie: Well, basically it comes down to this, it doesn’t matter who you vote for today. I mean, it never did
anyway, because they always gave us our choices to let us think we had a choice. And I found that out fairly
early on. But today, with the way they can skew the votes, it doesn’t matter who you vote for. Even if there
was somebody decent running, whoever they want in office is going to get in office. Period.
Alan: It’s arranged before the fact, you know, for the public.
Jackie: Well, yeah. I mean, Bush didn’t win the first one. He didn’t win the second one. Not that I would
want Gore. I mean, that’s not the point. But evidently they felt that GW would be able to suck in more
people, and I think they were right. I can’t tell you how many people that I’ve heard make statements such
as, thank God we have a Christian, a president who’s a Christian. And many, many people really believe it,
that God told him to go to war to Iraq.
Alan: Yes. Well, I have no time for people who follow, anyway. In fact, that’s one of the Illuminati’s most
powerful assets, is the fact that people are so willing to be organized into camps to follow, and all you have
to do is put your guy in at the top of the camp. So, rather than persuade a few million people, you’ve got
one guy in charge of them all, and he does all the talking, you know. That’s the secret about creating
groups. And you’ve always got followers, which are easy to take over, by putting in your own man. That’s
what they’ve done for thousand of years. The same nonsense, you know. So, it’s the 87% of the
population, who are followers, and unfortunately, they’re always with us, as followers. And that’s the way it
is. They’ve done studies on this at universities for the last hundred years. And they find it consistent that
87% of the public in any country don’t care who’s in charge, as long as they can carry on with their lifestyle
as it is at the moment.
Jackie: Well, then, as their lifestyle continues to change, they still want their lifestyle as it is. No matter how
terrible it’s become.
Alan: They adapt so quickly, and that’s why they used the term that man was made out of malleable clay, as
early as Egypt. Made on the potter’s wheel. And, of course, that was copied into the Old Testament. What
they meant by that was, man was the most adaptable creature on the planet. He adapts so quickly to every
circumstance that’s thrust upon him. And as Zbigniew Brzezinski said, when he was asked what he thought
of the ordinary people, wouldn’t they rebel if the US ever, you know, clamped down and took their rights
away, Brzezinski said, he said, what do I think of the people? He said, well, put it this way, you can beat
them, you can starve them to death, and do they rebel? He says, no, they just turn round and eat their
dead. So that’s what we’re dealing with here. These people understand the human nature. They know that
people will put up with tremendous hardships, horrible hardships, before they’ll do anything about it. And
often, when they do something about it, their backs are against the wall, they’re unorganized, and it’s too
late for them. And they know this too. That’s why they give us false leaders to follow, on every side of
every thing. So, they understand this, perfectly well.
Jackie: Yes, they do. We’re out of our hour. And I thank you very much for being with us here tonight,
Alan.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Yes. And ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back with you, tomorrow night. I still don’t have my printer
working, and there are, there are a few things that I have been wanting to share with you, but I can’t get
them printed out. And Alan is very gracious, always, to come on with us, and add so much. Well, just
basically without, I don’t know what I’d be doing right now, Alan. Thanks a lot. Alright, folks. We’ll see you
tomorrow night.
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Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” (Solo)
August 2, 2005
Good evening ladies and gentlemen. This is Alan Watt standing in for Jackie’s who’s suffering from some battle fatigue
right now and I hope to take you through an hour of various types of information.
Today is the 2nd of August, 2005 and as most of you probably know by now, I live up here in Canada, further north
from Toronto, and our temperatures hit 110 degrees today and it stayed in the 90s right until about 8:00 p.m. While this
was happening of course they were spraying the skies with their beautiful new trails, which they’ve been laying for
some years now and perhaps those who watch more consistently will notice the different types which they’ve been
creating in the last year or so, which are different from the first chemtrails that we used to see.
They’re becoming rather artistic with it and today along with all the usual little fluff balls with the curly tails they’re
creating, there was actually a three-legged swastika, like a nebula and of course the three-legged swastika is the symbol
for the Isle of Man, where a lot of the wealthy rich of Britain do their banking, so I thought that was quite a coincidence
to watch this being made above your head.
Another thing too that people are noticing – people who wear glasses or sunglasses are having to clean them much more
often than they used to because of an oily film keeps developing on the glass, and this is from the polymer, which gives
you that hazy look in the sky when they’re spraying, it’s from the polymer coming down to ground level. They’re really
laying it on now with advanced science and as we’re all well aware, there’s no one in the regular media going to go
anywhere near this subject. They won’t touch it with a barge poll, so they’ve all got their standing orders they’re out the
door and probably so is there pension too if anyone tries to inform the media.
The media being what it is, mind you, hand-picked in the first place, individually it’s no hard job to get them to comply
because they’re a bunch of prostitutes as far as I’m concerned. They’ve been selling the people down the river for many,
many years and they’re all for of course this whole New World Order, and amongst the journalistic class you’ll find
they believe themselves they’re part of the elite because they are really the fourth estate. They’re an essential part of
government and always have been and they give the public the view they’re supposed to believe in on all topics.
They give us our diversions – our topics of conversation. They dish it out to us everyday, right down to trivialities which
don’t affect anybody, but they will not touch any of the main subjects like the Bilderberger meetings or the main CFR
meetings, which is coupled with the Royal Institute of International Affairs which was set up back in the late 1800’s in
Britain to bring in a world government based on the English style of democracy which is under royalty. We must never
forget that, that the top of Britain, being a model for the world for this particular system, you still have the monarchy
and the aristocracy and all of the relatives of the monarchy basically – we called it “the establishment” in Britain. They
run the show and they tell Parliament what to do and any politician who’s really clawing to get up there – and that’s
basically a criterion to be a politician, you want to climb up there, they do what they’re told by the establishment and
put the bills through that they’re told to put through.
Really, we live in a world which is almost like the movie the “MATRIX,” where although the Matrix took place in a sort
of Internet system – an Internet reality, this is the reality here. We’re living through it and we can’t unplug our heads
from the actual Internet once we feel tired. We’ve got to play this game everyday and those who are aware of what’s
been going on and following what’s going on, I’m sure everyone’s feeling a form of fatigue simply by understanding
the horror show which we’re living in today. Those who have done the research themselves and the studying, I’m sure,
can’t help but come to that conclusion that we are living in a nightmare because those behind all of this wrote about
their whole plan centuries ago. In the 18th century and into the 19th century there’s quite a few of the mouthpieces that
put out books detailing the agenda and even time tables.
Lenin talked about it coming in at the end of the millennium and into the new, that’s when the big changes would take
place in the West, and he said that in about 1915. This is an old, old time we’re living through.
Charles Galton Darwin who spoke on behalf of the elite in his book “The Next Million Years” talked about the necessity
in a post-industrial Western society of depopulating all of the ‘useless eaters,’ you might say, to borrow a phrase from
Bertrand Russell. They believed that everyone exists for their economic system. That’s what our function is and of
course today we are living not only in a post-industrial era – the industries have been moved off to China, we’re posttechnological
as well and even all the computer industries basically are farmed out to the Far East as well.
We really only have one function left and apart from consuming all the goods that are brought in from the Far East, we
are supposed to be the world’s policemen and force the rest of the world—the Muslim countries—into the same system
that we live under.
We are economic units in a very sophisticated system, which did not evolve by itself. It was planned this way. Every
part was planned in minute detail.
The public’s response to every part of the plan has been worked out like a battle plan in advance and psychologists and
sociologists helped put all this together to give us our news and how we should cope with our news and what we should
think about our news; it’s all done for us. Whereas we ourselves have to sit back and be downloaded and then just parrot
what we’re told. That’s how simple this Skinnerian system really is.
It’s not difficult when you realize that thousands of think tanks are employed full-time to plan your thoughts for the
future and what you’re going to experience in the future and in fact down to how you’ll react to those experiences in the
future, so we are in the Matrix as I say and we can’t get unplugged so easily.
One of the problems we have at the moment of course is the barrage of even shortwave news, which goes on incessantly
about the minute details and you get a blow by blow account of what they are doing to us – the big THEY,you see, and
what countries are doing the saber rattling towards America such as China and so on. That’s all nonsense because the
boys who own the West also own lock, stock and barrel China and no one in China acts on his own.
They take orders from the same elite, the global elite who set them up in business and financed them; apart from us of
course, because we did finance the moving of industry under the GATT Treaty, we paid for factories to move from
Canada, the States and Europe to China and we paid for the transportation of all tooling and machinery. We also signed
treaties that we would pay all losses that those firms would incur during the first five years of operation.
Canada gave them two or three Can Do nuclear reactors and they gave them the reactors. At the time John Chrétien was
the prime minister and he came back from China with his big jumbo jet full of businessmen, not ordinary businessmen
obviously but corporate leaders, which the taxpayers funded once again. He said, oh, we’ll have jobs, jobs, jobs; but
what he didn’t say was the jobs are all in China. He said, we’ve got a good deal with selling these nuclear reactors to
China; and they mentioned the figures in the billions but then about four months later in the Toronto Sun, half way
through the paper in between sports and sex and everything else, there was one paragraph that said, “an update on the
Can Do Reactors to China,” and that was China would not have to begin payment back to Canada for 25 years; and if
they still felt they couldn’t make the payments, it would be postponed for another 25 years.
Now Canada doesn’t have billions to throw around and what they didn’t say was Mr. Chrétien borrowed from the World
Bank the money to loan to China. The taxpayers of Canada were the guarantors for that loan, so we pay off the whole
loan and that’s how these scams all work you see.
They don’t even bother as the Communists supposedly did, they didn’t even bother to steal your money quietly; they
had to lie about it too, and of course we have great liars in the West as politicians. No matter how much respect they’ve
been trying to gain for themselves through propagandaand the media building them upto be a holier than thouand astute
upright men.
It’s amazing how our forefathers understood that politicians were basically liars. That’s what they do. They’re very
good liars and many of them are lawyers as well and I’m sure it’s no coincidence that LIAR and LAWYERsound very
much alike you know. These guys have sold us all out for their own personal ends and gain and they also get superior
medical treatment.
I think it was four or five years ago – maybe six years ago an odd thing happened in the Western countries where the
politicians murmured about a deal being madethat they and their relatives would be TREATED FOR LIFE at very top
military establishments. That was another perk that got added to it all and of course I wondered why in this great
democracy, where we’re all supposedly treated equally, that the general population has to wait in sort of factory queues
to get in to see a doctor; because that’s what we have in Canada basically. You might have to schedule an appointment
two months in advance and by that time you’re either dead or cured, one of the two.
We live in a fantasy land where our thoughts are dished out to us by experts. Our topics of conversation are doled out to
us and they understand human nature. They’ve always understood human nature.
MAN HAS BEEN THE MOST PERFECTLY STUDIED CREATURE ON THIS PLANET and the creatures who do
the studying of course have been here for thousands of years too; and since knowledge is power, knowledge is never
lost. It’s put into places called ARCHIVES.
For the public you get public libraries and of course that’s all AUTHORIZED public libraries. Every book in there is
authorized for your consumption, but YOU WILLNEVER SEE or get access to the REAL ARCHIVESwhere the REAL
INFORMATION is kept.
When I was at school in Scotland, I can remember getting this vague history of Scotland and how it tried to stop the
Normans from coming in and it was successful to a great extent, except the nobles began to intermarry with them and
they took over the lordships through marriage. Scotland fought the Romans before that – could not defeat.
The Normans couldn’t come in either with an army because they were being defeated as well, so they simply used
money, bribery and inter-marriage to take over Scotland. However, trying to get the history of Scotland from our
schools was a difficult task. What I found out later was that since Scotland was a colony of England then technically
they didn’t want any bad news being given to the Scots, like what happened in Scotland in the 1800’s when they cleared
the highlands in the 1700’s and 1800’s. They put off millions of people into rickety old boats to go to the new world or
Australia or wherever they were sending them and they were being forced off at the point of the gun. Many of the boats
sank just off the coast and the relatives on the shoreline could watch their relatives dying and drowning.
ALL OF HISTORY WAS WIPED OUT OF THE HISTORY BOOKS BY A DECREE FROM LONDON so that the
Scots would never be upset about London and the way its run its country. This is the type of whitewashing we’ve had
throughout history and it goes along with the plans and the format set out by John Dewey, who said himself that all
conflicts, past conflicts between nations, when it comes to the defeated nations, they would basically be wiped off the
records so no one will know.
However, I was very lucky in that I had an adult reference library and reference books went back to 1500’s and they had
documentation from even the newspapers in the 1600’s and 1700’s, and so I found out I was being taught nothing but
lies in school as far as history went. There I am, at night, going to the libraries and studying up on what really happened
and what really happened was a horror show.
People visit Scotland today and they look around the highlands and see it’s so beautiful, this empty barren countryside
and hills and mountains and so on, and what they fail to realize is if the highlanders hadn’t been kicked off their land, it
wouldn’t be so bare and barren as it is today. That was the technique used by London, which really was an ancient
Middle Eastern technique that had been used in ages past, where they in the times of Nero and Caesar and so on they
moved people around theworld at will. Anyone who caused them trouble they simply moved them off their land and put
them into another country. That was standard operating procedure and this was going on right up to the present time.
We find the U.S. went into Somalia. The next thing we know, there are documentaries on the CBC television in Canada
and they’re showing you these high rises built to house the Somalians who left Somalia and the Canadian government
(our taxpayers) flew them all in and supported them. This idea of kicking people off their land is not new.
In present day Iraq, the U.S. is still attacking various towns. They have a rotation schedule where they go in and bomb it
and strafe it and cause terror, and a lot of people are moving away. That’s the point of it all. They want them to move.
When we look at this technique of getting people to move who are obstinate and no one likes leaving the country
they’ve been born into, we have to look at the U.N. agenda. Anyone – everyone can move from the rural areas in every
country and move into these habitat areas as they call them – human habitat areas.
These artificial compounds you might call them too, where you see in their own website – I haven’t checked it but I’ve
had good documentation sent to me on the subject, and THEY SAID THERE’LL BE NO PRIVATE PROPERTY.
There will be NO OWNERSHIP OF VEHICLES either, automobiles. Public transportation only and of course your life
from BIRTH TO DEATH will be watched and observed and regulated byEXPERTS, you see, NGO experts, and they
have experts for everything and that goes right back to the format of Bertrand Russell.
Lord Bertrand Russellwho experimented with school children back in the early 1900’s long before Skinner and he
brought in the FREE LOVE thing too. That was another mandate which they knew they’d have to use. Bertrand Russell
pushed this FREE LOVE AND NO MARRIAGE, just go from one partner to the next, and he was encouraging the
children in these special controlled schools that he’d set up to do this very thing. Then they studied the psychological
effects on the children who went through all of this and they followed their lives right through their entire lives.
They tried to implement the same program in the 1920’s, “the roaring 20’s,” by making booze cans naughty but nice,
you see. Taboo but nice. The very thing that teenagers flock to. THEY brought in the mini skirt at that time.
THEY brought in booze and sex, just do it, and these sort of dance songs to go with it; but because of all the
pregnancies that occurred from it, they had to start building like crazy Boy’s Towns and Girl’s Towns all over the place
to accommodate the offspring. They didn’t have all the abortion clinics to take care of the fallout you see. They didn’t
have the medical facilities to take care of all the venereal disease, which also skyrocketed in the 1920’s, and so they
went back to their desks again and drew up the plans and then THEY worked hard to get the PILL.
That was a prime priority and they thought well better than just booze we’ll bring out drugs – hallucinogenic drugs like
LSD, which if you just speak LSD, you’ve got LUCID, and lucid is clear and is ANOTHER NAME FOR LUCIFER,
which is just a little joke that they throw in there; but they brought out the drugs in the ‘60’s with the rock and roll.
They called it a revolution in music, a revolution in sex and they had the abortion clinics ready, the private ones that you
could pay for, and they also had the street medical facilities where you could walk in and get shots for any venereal
disease that you might have picked up.
These guys don’t give up. They never alter their agenda, by the way. They simply take it back to the drawing board and
try to iron out any problems that they have. When we realize how old this agenda is and that it happened long before–it
was on the go long before you were born, long before FDR. You go back into the days of Sumer. The
RABBISthemselves talk about THE AGENDA beginning around 4,500 BC.
AN AGENDA WHICH WAS TO TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE PLANET UNDER ONE GOVERNMENT, ONE RULE
WITH AN ELITE TO RULE IT and every facet of humanity to be run by experts. They don’t like this untidy method of
people being individualistic and deciding what they want to work at or what they want to do for themselves and going
off and maybe building a place here or there. It’s just too untidy for them you see.
We’re dealing withCONTROL FREAKS and these control freaks just don’t let up. They can’t let up. That’s their nature.
They want it to be under their control and they’ll decide where you live, how we live and what we say and everything
else and what we do. This again was all experimented with within the Soviet Union where they did have school-towork.
You were tested at the age of five and six for any special qualities or any areas of study and then they said okay you’re
going to be an engineer and you’re going to be a laborer and you’re going to be a plumber, and you were only taught
what you had to be taught to make you a plumber or an engineer. You didn’t get any extra curriculum or any extra
history or geography or science. It was irrelevant to the controllers.
All you had to know was how to do your job when you left school and that is the same idea that’s coming here. It’s too
untidy you see to have people being taught all these different things and then deciding what they want to do. Why not
save the bucks, train them in one area only and you have a dumb stupid population who don’t know very much except
how to fix taps, perhaps, or make a technical drawing on something. That society is a very easily managed society
because they’re kept in ignorance of all the other generalities and studies.
Therefore, from a controlled pre-point of view that would be perfection you see and we know where it’s going from
there. We know that Arthur Koestler or “Kaus-ler” depending on how you pronounce it, which is K-O-E-S-T-L-E-R, he
worked for Stalin as an officer and he helped starve the people in the Ukraine. He talks about it in a book which he
wrote called, “The Ghost in the Machine,” and “TheGhost in the Machine”by the way is the illusive part that
psychiatrists that can’t pin down. It’s you. It’s the essence which is you. The real you.
It’s illusive to these characters and so Arthur Koestler came from his communist country as a communist officer and he
went over and taught in universities in the United States in New York. He was attached to the United Nationsand he
worked in think tanks – global think tanks where different groups of scientists had their specialty all working from their
own area of expertise on the same subject. The subject was: how do we remove that part of the brain in individuals that
gives them their personal identity? It lets them know that you are you, distinct from other people. His expertise was in
the psychological approach coupled with drugs and he also worked with surgeons who were doing various kinds of
lobotomies and so on, when they were pretending that was a cure for depression.
They had lots of people to experiment on and many people came back to the U.S. from abroad in the military in World
War II and they were having pre-frontal lobotomies – actual post-orbital. It’s behind the eye and this was supposed to be
a treatment for the battle fatigue and the shock they’d gone through. Meanwhile of course they all got studied for the
rest of their lives to see how it affected their personality. Koestler had all this information and he was trying to find new
ways for the near future in how to do the same thing.
HOW DO WE DESTROY THAT PART OF THE PERSON THAT MAKES THEM AN INDIVIDUAL? because
individuals you see are very problematic. They take whims and fancies. They go through fads. They’re just not
controllable you see. People who are sovereign individuals want to do their own thing and the elite just can’t have that.
It’s just too messy and too untidy for their system.
Koestler worked with other surgeons, with chemists and so on, and they found ways that they could target a specific
area of the brain and knock it out, basically. You might call it a chemical castration of the brain. They didn’t want to
destroy your higher abilities of mathematics and passing on information and so on. What they wanted to do was to stop
the individual analyzing abilities on particular topics. In other words, you could repeat stuff but you couldn’t think of it
yourself.
Now the break’s coming up, so I’ll be back shortly in just about three minutes and I’ll see you on the other side.
My name is Alan Watt and I have three books for sale. I go through a lot of the history of the last few thousand years in
this agenda. I go through freemasonry and I don’t begin with the usual nonsense that it all started with the guilds – the
tradesmen guilds in the Middle Ages. No, that was only a small part of it. It’s been here for thousands of years and
secret societies are well documented in Ancient Rome. If you want one or all the books, [see www..com for ordering
information].
You can contact me if you have something to talk about; I don’t like “preachers” because I don’t need to be “saved.” I
always say that Jesus saves but I’m not sure what bank he uses; and since people today have no idea what it really
means, although they’ve been told by the World Council of Churches that they think they know what it means, they’re
just whistling in the dark and so are most of their followers.
Religion is one of the prime means of mind control. Yes, it gives comfort because it designed it to do so, but it doesn’t
give you answers to anything and it also tells you to obey government. That obviously was tacked in there by the priests
who took over in Rome.
It’s so odd that they’re following a man who was killed for his viewpoints and for speaking out freely against the
corruption of his age and spoke out against the priesthoods who ran the religion – he spoke out against the bankers who
were in cahoots with the priests, as they always are, and they killed him for it, you see. In the New Testament
somewhere in Paul somebody added, “obey government because it’s put there by God.”
Well, if you believe that, then don’t decry Adolf Hitler because he was elected into government. Don’t decry Bonaparte
Napoleon when he took over. Don’t decry Lenin. In other words, every tyrant that was put in under your own
philosophy was put there by God, so that’s your problem and you’ll have to deal with that yourselves, especially when
you’re following someone who definitely spoke out against it. That’s your doublethink of today.
Now getting back to Arthur Koestler working the think tanks for the United Nations, he did say that they were
successful by different means, by chemicals and I’ve no doubt they used sodium fluoride, which is in the tap water in
the cities. It’s in the toothpaste. It was used in the Soviet Union and it was also used by Natzi Germany because they
knew the affects of it. It slowed down the brain. It slowed your intellect, but Koestler also talked about more efficient
biochemical means where they could actually attach organisms if they want to, like viruses or bacterium, to specific
hormones which go straight to your brain and attack that vital area.
Once again, this part of the brain they want to knock out is you. It’s who you are. It’s what gives your ability to perceive
yourself as a distinct independent individual, distinct from others, but that’s a nuisance you see to the controlling elite.
They have to use massive media and propaganda to keep each individual happy today.
They’ve got all these services out there and they put sports on for people to keep them occupied or movies with sex or
violence and all this kind of stuff, but the fact is: if they could possibly destroy that part of the brain, they wouldn’t need
all of this anymore. Maybe that’s the right way to go because we wouldn’t need the media anymore either.
I wonder if they’ve thought of that, what happens to them when they’re no longer required? What happens to all the
sports commentators too, and all the networks when they’re no longer required? Because under that last meeting that
was held – World Meeting of Scientists,sponsored and paid for by the U.S. Department of Commerce and headed off or
kicked off by Newt Gingrich, which didn’t appear in the newspapers, these characters, these scientists have a chip ready
to implant in the brain. Lo and behold, the main scientist from Japan said, IT WILL BE THE END OF
INDIVIDUALITY AS WE KNOW IT.
It will be more like the beehive in fact he said because everyone will be interlinked with a regional computer, which will
direct them as one would direct a robot. They won’t need media to keep people happy because people will be quite
dumb and happy as their program tells them to be. They won’t need the sports. They won’t even need politicians
eventually. I wonder if they’ve thought what they’re going to do or what their function would be in such a future,
because POLITICIANS OUTSIDE OF THEIR JOB ARE THE MOST USELESS CREATURES YOU’LL EVER
MEET.
The men don’t know anything about fixing anything or how anything works. All they do is sit and scheme and their job
is to get other people to work for them. That’s what politicians do. THEY’RE PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITIES.
They have no function in any other system than this one.
As I say, Arthur Koestler wrote about it in “The Ghost in the Machine” and that book is definitely, definitely worth a
read and in the last chapter he goes through the whole agenda and he thinks it’s just wonderful that they’ll have peace
on the planet.
There’ll be this strange utopia for THE ELITE,WHO WILL NOT by the way TAKE A CHIP or HAVE THEIR MIND
ALTERED IN ANY WAY because they have to GUIDE THE PLANET. As he said, and as Charles Galton Darwin
said, and as a scientist at the Loyola University meeting said, he said that only the elite will need their faculties because
they will be guiding the ship. In other words, their ability for self-survival, self-preservation will be functioning;
whereas the masses will not because the masses will have all their problems taken care of for them by the state.
This Borg mentality that they showed us in the Star Trek movies, the original “Bee,”that’s whatBorg stands for, by the
way, we’re the ‘worker bee,’ and they lived in square space ships because they were the ashlar – the Masonic ashlar,
they were squared. They were not natural. They were part cyborg and everyone was connected to a central computer,
just like they talked about at the meeting at Loyola University and they have the technology to do this.
At that meeting they said the only problem they have at the moment is convincing the public to accept it. That’s the only
problem. They have everything ready to go. It’s been tried and tested over many years on unsuspecting people and they
want to go ahead with the beginning in 2009 and hopefully they said they’d have it completed by 2018 or 2019. Politics,
by the way, wasn’t mentioned once at this meeting – this meeting which churned out 600 pages of their agenda and was
totally ignored by the media, although many of the media guys were present.
They said that they will promote this from kindergarten. They’ll promote it as a positive thing in school. They’ll
promote it through all novels, all magazines, all fiction writings and the movies.
Now these guys didn’t say we would like it to be promoted. No, they said it’s going to be promoted and that’s how
things really work you see in this matrix that we live in.
They didn’t mention politics because they’re well aware that politics is a sideshow for the public. Many years ago they
found out that the PUBLIC WOULD REBELand OVERTHROW TOTAL CORRUPTIONso they came up with this
thing called DEMOCRACY, where if you think you can change the system every four years, you go ahead and vote.
Then after the next four years, well, we’ll vote for someone else. That stops them from having all these problems, as
they fill their pockets with our money at the top and as they make us work for less money or devalue the money or rob
us from our taxes et cetera and hand it out to their corporate buddies and foreign shores.
If you wonder why Africa is poor, read the agendas. Read the great economist John Stewart Mill who wrote about it in
the 1800’s that the BLACK MAN was to be basically ERADICATEDbecause he would not fit in to the Western
economic system. He said some will survive and his own words were because they can mimic the white man, but those
who couldn’t mimic the white man were to be eradicated. We see AIDS decimating Africa, absolutely, and we know
too it was definitely small pox – the free small pox shots the UN went around and gave them all and tried to blame on
the failure to change needles from one person to the next, which was a nice cover story because the AIDS virus is well
documented, including the funding to create this thing which could destroy a person’s auto-immune system, and so a
common cold would turn into chronic bronchitis or pneumonia and kill you. That’s how it works.
THIS IS A HORROR SHOW WE DO LIVE IN and those people who are on the air and who are genuine (and not all of
them are), understand this and have to live with this knowledge everyday. They’re not off chasing UFO’s like Art Bell
or worried if NASA can make it with the next space drama, as a tile comes off and all this nonsense. No, this is to suck
you in and support NASA, which does nothing really except put up satellites up there which work in conjunction with
HAARP and to spy on you. That’s NASA’s main job. That’s what it does you know.
Those on the shortwave who know what’s happening have to live with the knowledge everyday. They have to cope with
the reality and the bleakness because we’re going through a bleak period right now. Everyone who’s aware is sensing
something coming quickly – “something wicked this way comes,” as they used to say. We know there is more and more
restrictions especially in rural areas with what you can and cannot do and they’re passing laws all the time.
We know that gasoline’s been pushed up and Mr. Rumsfeld at least on the media up in Canada announced that gasoline
might double. He said it’s going from $70 a barrel to $140 a barrel and that was a trial balloon. They do this once in a
while to test out the public reaction as they do their quiet polls all over the place. As long as the media doesn’t follow it
up – and they don’t, and the public is trained only to think about what the media tells them to think about, so if the
media seems concerned about something, then so are the public.
Zbigniew Brzezinski documented all of this in “Between Two Ages,” one of his books, in the Technetronic Era. The
Technetronic Era is the era we live in and it’s an era where they used advanced secret technology. Advanced secret from
the public, but really old technology, such as the HAARP program coupled with satellites and so on, to once again do
their favorite little act, which is to try and control the minds of the public.
HAARP is beaming out now 24 hours of every single day. They step up the power when they really go to town and
spray the skies non-stop and this has a tremendous effect on our weather. They can either cause thunderstorms or they
can spray over thunderstorms and dissipate them. That’s why there’s a drought in many areas, so they can do both.
This is OLD TECHNOLOGY going back to TESLA, at least Tesla, although I doubt it, to be honest with you, because
if you read about the ETRUSCANS who were the ones WHO BUILT ALL OF THE SUBTERRANEAN TUNNELS
UNDER ROME PRIOR TO ROME and the Etruscans were also the people who had tremendous engineering.
They taught the Romans how to build. That’s where they got all their ideas and engineering skills for the aqueducts
everywhere they went, because wherever you go the first thing you must do is steal the water you see and that’s what
the Romans did.
The Etruscans used to be called in to Rome on high, high festival days, which were just like today. They’re all linked to
sunrise, sunset or stars appearing – certain stars or the moon and which are still used in all high occult masonry today;
and the Etruscans FAVORITE TRICKwas to CALL DOWN FIRE FROM HEAVEN.
Those of you who think that something new was put into Revelations, where the great beast would call down fire from
heaven, should think again because the Etruscans weredoing this 2,000 BC right up into the time of Jesus,so it’s not a
new trick. It was never explained how they did it, but they certainly could do it.
They could literally conjure up fire and bring it down from heaven to earth on demand, and I would call that a definitely
advanced science.
Science is the most secretive thing because it gives you power – it gives the holder power and you never share
knowledge, which is power. It’s no surprise to me that many technologies are being used today which are completely
unknown of by the public who read the Popular Mechanics or Popular Science and they tell you, oh, we’re just working
on this and one day we hope to be able to do, yadda-yadda-ya, when in reality that’s all part of the matrix. Whatever
they tell you they’re working on, the higher level of science and there’s THREE LEVELS OF SCIENCE you see.
There’s THREE LEVELS OF MEDICINE too, from professorship down is the lowest level. That’s the whole matrix,
the low level you see from professorship down. Whatever they give you as being the latest is really antique and what
they really have is so far advanced that it’s beyond what we’re even given as science fiction.
The CIA had little hand-held gadgets back in the 1950’s which were like mini-HAARP’s and they could literally pulse
into your brain voices, commands, and so on, and it worked–these little machines worked on line of sight. Dr. Nick
Begich displayed a whole bunch of these antique little mind control gizmos from the CIA on Wendy Mesley show here
in Canada about four years ago. He had about three benches full of them and this technology of course could also be –
and here’s the kicker, just like the Star Trek stun gun or the phaser gun – you could also set it to match the automatic
beat of the heart. In other words, you could stop the heart if you wanted to; and we wondered why people had sudden
fatal heart attacks years ago and just odd coincidences, and of course we could never have done that because we didn’t
have the technology, did we? That’s why they get away with it. They never tell you what they’re really using at the
time.
Now Nick Begich also took this stuff over the European Union Parliament because some of the members they were
having these strange weird attacks just before they got up to speak in Parliament and he displayed it and demonstrated
this stuff and he said there are people here who are using it on you. This is old technology–antique technology. Well, if
it was a size or TV remote converter or a packet of cigarettes back in the 1950’s, you can imagine how small it is today.
If you ever get strange thoughts or strange craziness or feel terribly nauseated and you happen to be speaking out about
things, well maybe it’s not so paranoid after all to wonder if maybe someone’s targeting you because you certainly
could be.
Now the whole problem comes back down to what do we do about all of this. There are no groups you can join. Groups
are immediately infiltrated or else they’re set up in advance by the controllers and all you can get back to is number one.
When you understand that you’re simply living in a long, long succession of this plan, you’re lifetime’s a little blip in
one part of it, then you stop panicking.
Your government is NOT BEING TAKEN OVER as you live. It NEVER WAS your government in the first place. It
wasn’t your father’s or your grandfather’s either. It was a system that was cleverly designed up long ago to give the
impressions that people are really enemies and countries were really enemies and had us all fighting each other while
the elite benefited from it.
IT KEPT THE POPULATION DOWN.
They made tremendous fortunes through war and they just happened to always own all the manufacturing processes, but
that of course must be a coincidence too – so stop panicking. You’re not being taken over as you live. THIS HAS BEEN
GOING ON FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARSand you can take comfort in the fact too that there’s been a long, long
lineage of people with the knowledge of what is happening, who don’t belong to this elite controlling group, who go on
down through the ages with the knowledge and helping to pass it on to other people. That’s why we know so much
today.
Just like you start off with an avalanche–an avalanche of course is this NEW UPCOMING WORLD ORDER OF
TOTAL CONTROL, if they get their way—you also have had many small snowballs being rolled along the ground and
getting larger and larger and larger as time goes on, as we go on through this tremendous journey here through time and
space. You must always keep in mind that eventually a critical mass is met and the critical mass does not depend on vast
armies of people. It depends on the right quality of people with the right self-knowledge of who they are in the great
scheme of things and who are totally honest about themselves, which is always the beginning of enlightenment, and you
also come in contact of others of your own kind.
The knowledge itself doesn’t stay with you. Each time you speak it, anywhere, they know themselves we basically
broadcast–people actually broadcast you know when they have aeureka moment, something suddenly strikes them and
you’ll find that people across the planet are being hit with the same thing at the same time. This is something which is at
the moment outside of their control, but they do recognize it. They know about it.
Arnold Toynbee who was the Rhode Scholar and a globalist for the elite, he ran the scholarship programs I should say.
Professor Arnold Toynbee made a speech about it and he said, “when a thought is put out there, it’s well understood that
people pick it up all over the planet.” So when your heart is pure and your as pure as you can possibly be, you don’t
want to stop things as they are and have some vague pretense past come back again, like “lets live in the Victorian Age”
or something.
No, you’re honest about the whole system and you know the whole system is unnatural, then you can broadcast as I say,
others pick it up and it’s like putting a series of batteries together. The voltage increases tremendously with each person
who wakes up and starts to really come alive and think.
Well, that’s been a pretty brief hour and I’ve rambled on a bit here trying to get a lot in and nothing is prepared, but I
hope for you it’s been of interest and I guess Jackie will be back tomorrow night to talk to you about other things. Thank
you and good night.
(Transcribed by Linda)
August 3rd, 2005
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is
Wednesday, and it is the 3rd of August, in the year 2005. And I am glad to be back with you this evening.
And I want to thank Alan Watt for going it alone last night. And Alan is with us, this evening. I’ve got
information that I’ve been wanting to share with you. Folks, I haven’t been able to. I have a new printer on
the way. And so, perhaps next week we might give Alan a bit of a break, and I’ll be sharing with you some
information I’ve kind of been storing up, and I haven’t been able to do it, because I haven’t been able to get
it out of my printer. So, anyway, I got to thinking. It’s so easy to label my tapes today, because basically it
says, Alan Watt. But the difficult thing to do is to put on that label a topic, because Alan and I have a
tendency to let it flow, and let it go the way it goes.
“Fear of the will of God is one of the strangest beliefs the human mind has ever made.” I don’t know that
any of us, we each have our own, if you would, limited concept of Creator. And it certainly, for me, it is a
limited concept. But there is one thing that I am very clear, is that Creator, the energy, the force, that we
are of, is benevolent, and I do know that. And to me, the most beautiful proof if you would, of that, is the
law, the universal law, of for every action there is a reaction. What we sow we are allowed to reap. So
there isn’t punishment being meted out by some gray-haired long-bearded guy sitting up on a cloud
someplace pointing his finger and saying you ticked me off. But the fact that we are allowed to reap what
we sow. To me that is a beautiful perfect justice. And my experience has been, when I’m able to let go,
when I’m able to get out of my own way, and let it unfold without my feeling like I have to know the
outcome, etc, etc. Those are to me, awesome, like miracles happen. And I see that as the love with which
the universe or creation took place. Alan, thanks for being here tonight.
Alan Watt: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: I guess, you know, if people buy into the Old Testament Jehovah God, it would be very difficult not
to have “fear of God”.
Alan: Well, that’s just it. Religion has always been used, orthodox religion has always been used to make
the public obedient really to the system. And of course the system exhibited terror to the public, with public
hangings and executions and in Britain of course, we had disembowelment and hanging, drawing, and
quartering as they called it. And these were laid on to strike fear into the public to make them obey. And
when they knew that the system was basically complete, all around them, the only thing they could turn to
was spiritual comfort, and of course, that’s why the authorized churches have always been in cahoots with
the ruling government. And that’s how it’s always operated. So one gave you the physical terror, and the
threat of physical terror, while the other one told you how to escape basically in your mind by staying on
your knees, you know. And that’s a form of control. Gorbachev in one of his books mentions the fact that
he himself is an atheist, but he says, we are creating a religion based on earth worship for the people.
Because religion has always been essential to governments. So these guys understand the function of
religion. They understand, as well, I am sure, the techniques of creating religions, new ones, with their
political purposes in mind. And I’m sure this knowledge must be really ancient, because they know exactly
what format, what sequence to use, just like mathematics, and the public behave accordingly. So, yeah,
that’s right from Gorbachev himself, and I think his book was called, Towards a New Civilization, so you can
see it for yourself. So there’s an admitted atheist helping to create a religion for the public to follow. And
this earth-based religion, of course, is hand in glove with the political agenda, where the public will have no
rights on the earth’s surface. They’ll have to do what they’re told. They’ll be organized by officials in every
capacity. And this is the new civilization that he’s referring to in his book. And so you can see why earth
worship would be the ideal religion to push right now, for the type of society they envisage for the near
future. And so, not only will we be breaking a taboo by ignoring the government decrees, you’d also be
breaking the religious taboos. And you’ll find that the majority of the public will have no sympathy for the
people who break that type of rule.
Jackie: Give me an example of what you’re saying here, breaking a taboo of the Earth worship.
Alan: Well, you can see it all around. The United Nations has no intention of allowing people for much
longer to live on the land. They’ve done their best to put the farmers out, beginning in the 1940s. That’s
when they started to hand out grants to farmers. That was the bait. Then the government had a foot in the
door and a say in what happened on the farm. And it’s gone on since then. And farmers have been losing
everything, as other countries are set up to do the farming for the whole world. In Marxism, which is only
the left hand you might say of the capitalism, or the same bird, in the Communist ideology the state would
be in control of all land and there would be no private property. Of course, in the Soviet System, the
bureaucrats got the big dachas in the country, and they were flown in there to spend their holidays and so
on in privacy with their servants. And Joe Blow was given a trip to the crowded Baltic holiday resorts for the
people. This is the type of future they envisage for the people on planet earth, basically. Every area will
have its function. China is the manufacturer. The CFR put out books in the 1930s that China would be the
sole manufacturer for the world, which it’s become in the last ten, fifteen years. And so nothing happens by
chance, nothing evolves by itself, everything is planned way ahead, like a business plan. In fact the whole
world is nothing but one big business plan, and it’s run by think tanks.
Jackie: Yeah, and the governments are all corporations.
Alan: And, of course, Professor Carroll Quigley, who also was the historian for the CFR. I don’t think people
realize that he was the official historian for a few years. He had access to the Royal Institute of International
Affairs and the CFR’s records, and he gave a parallel view of history, the real force behind history, beginning
around the time of the establishment of the British East India Company, and the United Kingdom as they
called it, around the 1600s. And he said that this group has been behind everything that’s happened in the
world. They’ve planned wars in advance to change civilization. He says war is created to change society.
You can get more social change, meaning more governmental control in minute areas of life in five years of
war than you can in fifty years of peace. And of course, we’ve noticed that after every war, your society has
changed more and more, till more power is in government hands. And now we see the corporate merger, as
Carroll Quigley said. He said, the future will be a society where the new feudal overlords will be corporate
business leaders in conjunction with governments. So, he laid it all on the line. He gave the history of the
wars, what was behind it, the forces that manipulated the wars to get us to where we are, to get people to
give up their sovereignty. And he laid out the road map that he simply copied from the CFR’s records. And
this is real. It’s all happening.
Jackie: And then he died, yes?
Alan: And then he died after disclosing some stuff on audio tapes to some of his students. He thought it was
going to be kept private, but he let too much out of the bag, you know. The main plates were destroyed by
MacMillan and Company, so that they couldn’t publish other books, but some people have managed to
bypass that and copy those books. Tragedy and Hope is the book.
Jackie: Well, it’s twenty-five years the copyright runs out. So that would be when they would be able to do
it. When was that book done? Do you recall?
Alan: I think it was in the 60s that he put that out, the late 60s, but MacMillan bought it over, as soon as the
first publication came out, and then they destroyed the plates, because this stuff was not supposed to be
allowed out to the public. Carroll Quigley believed in that system, that’s why he was one of their men, but
he also thought that the public would accept the fact that the new way was a managed way, where there
was no individual rights and freedoms.
Jackie: He had to have been a real drone, I mean, to have believed in it so intensely and fervently, that he
believed that the general public would accept this and say, oh, this is wonderful. There had to be something
wrong with the man. Are you there? Seems that we’ve lost Alan Watt, folks. Either that or he’s talking and
I can’t here him. Probably, what I should do, if Nicholas happens to be, wait a minute, I might have some
music. No, I can’t. There we go. Thank you, Nicholas. I’m going to go off the air, folks. Hello?
Caller: Yes, I’d like to ask Alan a question.
Jackie: Hold on, honey. We have to get him back on the line. I’m going to go off air for a minute.
Folks, we’re back on the air. And I want to thank Nicholas. Nicholas, thank you so much for being there
and stepping in, and holding this place open while we got Alan back on the line. Alan, are you with me?
Alan: I think so.
Jackie: Oh, good. So, you, we just got disconnected, period.
Alan: I know, and every time I called, it kept saying all lines are busy, try again.
Jackie: All circuits are busy?
Alan: Yeah.
Jackie: Well, then, I guess we must be on a topic that isn’t their favorite subject.
Alan: It’s very probably so, yeah. It spoils the illusion that the media keeps giving us. And we don’t talk
about sports, you know.
Jackie: No, we don’t talk about sports, do we? So, I’d like, I don’t remember exactly. We were talking about
Carroll Quigley and that, oh, you had said that you know, after he had evidently done a speech leaked to
some of his students, and it was on a….
Alan: It was a private talk in a restaurant. And one of his students recorded him, you know. And in it, he
actually cautioned them. He talked about Freemasonry. And he talked about the dollar bill, the pyramid and
so on. He says, this is very old, he says, 6,000 years old, this symbol. And then he said, but don’t talk to
anybody about this, it will spoil, it will cut short your career. That’s what he told them on the tape. And I
have the tape.
Jackie: Alan, is there a way that you could get a copy made of that tape so we could play it for our listeners?
Alan: Sure, yeah.
Jackie: Oh, my Gosh, that would be wonderful. Alright.
Alan: And he was the official historian and he really spilled the beans by using their records. He had the
records there at Pratt House, I think they call it in New York. And that’s where the records were kept. And
interestingly enough, the man who introduced him to the record-keeping department for the Royal Institute
of International Affairs and the CFR, now this is the same organization, was a guy called Zimmerman. And
Zimmerman was the guy who belonged to the British Communist Party, who was Winston Churchill’s main
advisor during World War II. It’s the weirdest setup, and of course, most books will tell you that Winston
Churchill hated Communism with a passion. And yet, someone told him to take Zimmerman on as his main
advisor. So, Zimmerman was in the record-keeping department for the Royal Institute and CFR, and he
gave the job over eventually to Carroll Quigley. So, it’s from the horse’s mouth.
Jackie: Carroll Quigley was from England?
Alan: Oh, no. He was American. And he taught at Georgetown University. He was the guy who put Bill
Clinton’s name forward for the Rhodes Scholarship. Of course, the Rhodes Foundation is to create
international leaders from all countries to go back home and push the same agenda for world government.
That’s why it was set up by Rhodes and Rothschild. That’s all documented stuff. In fact, even Quigley goes
into that in some detail.
Jackie: In his book or on his tape?
Alan: In the book. Because Cecil Rhodes, he was basically taught in Oxford University. And he had a
mentor as well at the University who was pushing for World Government. And then, of course, he and
Rothschild and a few other ones got together with that other big diamond company, De Beers, part of the
Boer family, B-O-E-R, also were members of that round table they set up. And their goal was to take over
the wealth and the riches of the world. That was their strategy, and Cecil was sent off to South Africa where
he fomented wars, supposedly by attacking South Africa, having South Africa retaliate. And then Cecil says,
well, British subjects are being attacked outside of South Africa. And then Britain sent in the troops. So that
started the Boer War. That was all planned way in advance. And they’ve done this all over the planet.
Jackie: Alan, we have a caller on the line, and if we can go back to this, the Boer War. Let’s see what his
question is. Go ahead, caller.
Caller: Yes, last night I was listening to Alan, and he was talking about the Etruscans and their ability to call
down fire upon their enemies. And I would like to know, how in the world did an advanced civilization like
that ever become defeated by the Romans if they had such an ability to do such a thing?
Jackie: Alan, Alan Watt, did you hear that question?
Alan: How were they conquered by the Romans?
Jackie: He said, yeah, if they had the ability to call down fire on their enemies, how could they have been
conquered by the Romans.
Alan: Because the ones who had the knowledge…
Jackie: Whoa, wait, whoa. He’s going to get off the line so he can hear.
Caller: I want to hear the answer, but I have to get off the phone, okay?
Jackie: Right. Bye, Alan. Bye. Our caller’s name is Alan. He wanted to get off the line so he could hear
your answer.
Alan: Well, it’s no different from today. A small elite keep the power and the knowledge and they can call
themselves anything, depending on which country they live in. And when they move out of that country,
and perhaps become part of the Roman nobility, they don’t care what happens to the rest of the ordinary
Etruscans, if you understand what I’m saying.
Jackie: In other words, the leaders of the Etruscans were the same leaders of the Romans.
Alan: That’s correct. In fact, the Etruscans gave their name to the present day area of Tuscany, and many
of their tombs have been unearthed, and these are amazing tombs, similar to the Egyptian style in many
ways. And they had vast amounts of wealth. These were the elite families, not the ordinary Etruscans. And
really, Rome itself, we know that the elite that ran the Grecian lands moved into Rome, and they became the
Roman nobility. And right towards the end of Rome, the nobility, the higher nobility of Rome still spoke
Greek amongst themselves. So, you get confused with nationalities, and this is the con game that’s played
on all of us. These people who understand tribal psychology use it all the time. That’s why they give us
tribal emblems and we react automatically when the flags go up and the trumpets sound the right tunes and
so on. So, but you must remember that the elite in all ages have been internationalists, and wherever they
happen to live at that period of time.
Jackie: Well, guess what. It sounds to me like Alan and I have just been disconnected again, folks. And I
guess we’re going to try it again. Nicholas, if you would play some music, I’ll disconnect and see if Alan can
get back with us. Don’t know what’s going on. We’ll be back folks. Thanks, Nicholas.
Have I got you Alan?
Alan: I think so.
Jackie: Okay, folks. Nicholas, thank you again. This is crazy. Alan did get back with me, and then I tried to
dial into the station and I got a circuit busy message. But then, when I tried again we were able to get back
with you. This, I don’t know what’s so special about tonight, Alan.
Alan: Well, I think we’re just getting the heat turned up, that’s all.
Jackie: Getting the heat turned up because we’ve covered some very sensitive topics on this broadcast.
Okay, well, you were, okay, what I was hearing you say, and I was thinking about this and putting it into my
memory banks for future, is that all down through the ages, the leaders of nations have been the elite, and
they are never of the bloodline of the people of the countries that they’re ruling.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Or tribes or whatever, even before countries were countries.
Alan: In fact, they established countries.
Jackie: Yes, they established the borders. The bounds.
Alan: And of course, they take many covers. If they’re born there the public will think they are one of us
and they’ve given the appropriate name of the country you live in. They’ll adopt all kinds of religions, the
main religion of the country. It’s irrelevant to them. And they are the dominant minority.
Jackie: And then change the religion, though.
Alan: They change as they go along, and it’s just like changing uniforms or coats to them.
Jackie: Yes, now we’re at our break time.
And Alan Watt is with us, of course. And we’ve been disconnected a couple of times tonight. Before we go
further, Alan, why don’t you give them your address, let them know how they can get your books, and then
I have a question I want to ask you about this religion thing.
Alan: Okay. I have three books, dealing with the history of where we have been and where we are, where
we’re going.
Jackie: Where they would like us to go.
Alan: Well, they’re actually doing it. They’re getting us from this field to the next field you might say.
[Ordering information on transcript.] I go into it in detail. I show you the Masonic links to it. I show you
the early, what would be called Masonic links, far earlier than the guilds were created in the Middle Ages,
which is the usual cover they give this whole movement. And I go back into ancient times to show you that
they had the similar movements on the go when Rome and Greece was at the height of their power. And I
show you how the money was introduced into countries, first in the way of gold, which they measured and
weighed, and silver. Silver was more plentiful, actually. And around 800BC, they actually started minting
the first coins, which kind of throws out the story of the Old Testament, where I think it was Abraham paid
for so many shekels for a tomb for his wife. It couldn’t have happened, unless it happened around 800BC,
because that’s when the first minted coins came out. Before that, they simply cut strips from a bracelet you
wound around your arm like a wire, and they weighed it on the spot. And the international money traders
who were also the international merchants would go from country to country and first get the public used to
accepting their wares through trade for other goods, and then they started to introduce their money in and
say, well, we won’t accept anything except money. And once those countries accepted their money, they
naturally took over the system, which they had just installed.
Jackie: I’m back, Alan. And I have been for a while. I didn’t want to interrupt. You know, we had Roger,
Monday, on with us. I should call Roger. Haven’t talked with him in ages, but he explained to us the
situation here in the US, in America, very early on, where they forced the rural people into coinage, by
taxing them and they didn’t have anything to pay the taxes with, because it had to be paid with their
particular coinage.
Alan: That’s right. I’ve actually spoken to people whose fathers had to get jobs, regular jobs, rather than
barter and trade or do work for goods. And they had to go out and get regular jobs just to earn the money
to pay the taxes. So they were covering their bases by forcing everybody into their system.
Jackie: Now, what about that section, I wonder, of the Constitution, that says no state can accept anything
other than gold or silver coins as legal tender in payment of debt.
Alan: No. In fact, I’ve got a book by Webster, which was written in the 1800s, and I believe in there he
even goes through a lot of the various agreements that had been arrived at by the states towards the
federal government. And part of the exchange for joining the federation of the US was for each state to give
up so much of its land in payment of that fee. And that’s in Webster’s own speeches.
Jackie: But what does that have to do with the fact that it’s still in the Constitution that no state can accept?
Alan: Well, it just shows you that politicians are liars, and it doesn’t matter what they write down, they do
something different.
Jackie: Yeah. Right, exactly.
Alan: You see, that’s as simple as that.
Jackie: Because if anybody tried to enforce that, well, that’s a whole other subject.
Alan: And who’s going to try that, you know.
Jackie: Well, what’s his name, Tupper Saussy. Remember we talked about that. And I do understand now,
because, see, that was when I got ticked off at you one of the times I got ticked off at you. Because I had
read his book, Miracle on Main Street, and that’s exactly what he was promoting in the book. And evidently
there were some people in certain towns and maybe one particularly, but they were literally handing in the
IOUs, and saying as soon as there’s legal tender, I’ll pay the taxes, I’ll pay this fine, I’ll pay this license fee,
and accept this as my promissory note. And then Tupper Saussy went to prison. And I thought that was a
great idea. See, the one thing that you made very clear, but I didn’t get it at the time, is that gold, they
control the gold, as you said. You know. I remember saying, well, it’s better than nothing isn’t it? And you
said, no, because you cannot get out of the system by using their system.
Alan: That’s right. It’s a total system. And the reason it’s total is because it’s such an ancient plan. It’s
worked on throughout every generation. It’s intergenerational. And they have thousands of think tanks,
dealing with thousands of their problems. And they come up with the solutions of how to get everybody
under their thumb, in their system, and obeying their system.
Jackie: You know, I have a thought though, that some of these types of things, like what Tupper Saussy was
promoting, maybe those have been the little holdbacks, or the things that have kept at least, I don’t know,
in other words, Alan, they have been working on this plan for millennia, and it looks today like they’re very,
very, very close, although you said they’ve been very close before, and it’s just never happened.
Alan: Well, they do get to a stage, every so many thousands, you see, this is thousands of years old. And,
as I say, even the rabbis admit that this part of the plan, this stage of the plan came down as they call it,
about 4,600 or 4,500 BC.
Jackie: This stage that we’re in right now.
Alan: Yes. And so it was tried before.
Jackie: But what happened? Did they say what happened?
Alan: It’s in lots of literature, which is all Aramaic primarily; there’s some Greek literature on it. There’s a lot
of literature from India, that’s got much more ancient, extensive histories. They claim that we have gone
through these major disasters as they call it, often brought about by man himself, meaning the elite, of
course, who, just when they’re ready to declare themselves gods to the public, something steps in and
knocks them down. But along with that, the tradition is that you must have enough people who are totally
aware of the situation, of the history of the whole agenda, and who also know that we cannot go through
what we’re going through and want to bring the same system back.
Jackie: Oh, yeah. Like “Take America Back”.
Alan: Whatever comes out of this will not be the way it was. And how can it be the way it was, when you’re
already a slave? Why would you want to go back into a slave system?
Jackie: Exactly. Why would we want to go back? We talked a little bit earlier today, and I know I mentioned
this to you. For our listeners, I’ll say it again. You get, like I got an email today. And it was this America
First, Take Back America and all this. And it was some Doctor, and I just wrote to him, and I said, actually,
there’s nothing to take back, because it never was ours in the first place. And I remember the statement
that was attributed to Woodrow Wilson, when he was President. And he said that the Constitution was
based on the Hebrew Parliament. What’s the Hebrew Parliament, Alan, if it isn’t the Sanhedrin?
Alan: Well, it must be a big secret, I guess.
Jackie: Well, maybe that’s the Sanhedrin.
Alan: Well, it’s more than even the Sanhedrin. It’s another organization that doesn’t even mean that it’s
even Hebrew. These characters are very good at using names to cast the guilt from themselves to other
people. All the time they do this. And of course, there’s no such thing as a Jewish Parliament, really. The
Sanhedrin was more of….
Jackie: No, they specifically said Hebrew, and this was in a book that was written in 1944 by this guy named
Fink, titled America and Israel. And he was the one that quoted, and maybe he just misquoted Wilson?
Alan: It’s very possible, because even in the supposed, which I don’t think existed, the Hebrew Society, there
was no parliament as such.
Jackie: Yeah. Well, that’s why when I read that, the Hebrew Parliament, I was thinking of the Talmudic
Sanhedrin. That’s the thought that came into my mind. But, it is, and it isn’t easy, and yet for us to yearn
for what was in the past, Alan, what we’re yearning for is the dream that we were in.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: About what we were told, this wonderful country, America, the Land of the Free, the Home of the
Brave, and…
Alan: And John Wayne.
Jackie: Yeah, John Wayne. Oh, yeah. And our “sacred founders.” When we discover that behind the
scenes stuff, then we have to give it up, and just understand. I mean, we can each in our own mind have a
vision, if you would, of what this world would be like, if, let’s say it were created by our creator. But it will
unfold, somehow or the other, but there is nothing to go back to.
Alan: No. That was what Lenin talked about quite a lot. And he studied under the best bankers on the
planet, so he knew his stuff. And he said that there are a thousand directions that societies can go,
thousands of different ways of living, but the public must not be made to realize this. They must think that
the one they’re born into is the only natural evolution there could possibly be. And that’s the whole trick to
this. You’re born into it. Your parents don’t know. They’ve swallowed the world as it was presented to
them.
Jackie: Grandparents don’t know. Great-grandparents don’t know.
Alan: And you swallow the world as it’s been presented to you, and yet you’re terrified of losing that system
because it’s the only one you know. It’s the only one you know.
Jackie: Maybe that’s where that phase comes in, as I was talking about at the beginning of the broadcast.
That the true, the real, real, reality of creation is love. It is benevolent. And maybe there’s something to be
said literally for getting out of the way, as I was talking about then, getting out of the way, and wanting only
Creator’s Will be done. Because there is only one will. You know, ultimately, and that would be Creator’s
Will, but we get in the way of that, Alan.
Alan: It is true enough, you see, people who have been raised to believe in a certain deity and a certain way
of living, and rules and regulations, and laws, have never thought about how they would be if they were
born into a society where that particular deity didn’t exist. In other words, how would you behave if you
hadn’t been given all that religion? How would you be? How would society be? And of course, those who
are terrified of any kind of change, will say, well, it would be horrific, you see.
Jackie: Right. It would be horrific.
Alan: So those people love Socialism. They love the idea that experts are taking care of them, or at least
they think that they are, and they’re comfortable in it. And those people are the dead. And of course, in the
mystery religion, which has always been with us, that was the real meaning when Jesus said let the dead
bury their dead. They are not alive. When they die it’s as though they had never existed, because they
change nothing in their life.
Jackie: Well, they never lived.
Alan: And so, born again, literally meant that you literally had an astounding experience, where you saw
everything as it really, really was. That’s what born again meant. You saw it all. You relearned how the
world was, the meanings behind everything you’d taken for granted, and you saw the reasons for it being
indoctrinated into you. And that’s what born again used to mean. Today it means a happy high that you
suddenly get in religion. And you go off every Sunday and wave your arms about, and go into a sort of
trancic stupor of happiness. And so you get your fix every Sunday. That’s been a recent manipulation, that
whole movement. Because, as I say, at one time, born again literally meant, your eyes were totally opened,
and you had to relearn everything all over again.
Jackie: In other words, the statement that’s attributed to Jesus in the New Testament, that he said, “Seek ye
the truth. Ye shall know the truth and the truth will make you free.”
Alan: And that’s the key to it, because if you had to seek the truth in his day, it tells you the same system
was operating back then.
Jackie: Of course, of course. And, you know, when we get into conversations like this, I wish it was Monday,
or I wish we had three hours. Because this is taking us in a place that, I think is so. There was a question
that I wanted to ask you. And I think it is along the same lines that we’re talking. The ancient, okay, in The
Golden Bough, when you read The Golden Bough, you see, you know, I had in my own mind, in my own opin-
ion, if you would, or vision, or picture of, oh, those pagans. They had open sex in fields, and it was just
nothing but a sexual orgy. Well, you realize that these people were so natural, and they, I don’t believe that
they worshiped the earth, but they knew that that was their life source. But they had all these gods. You
know, brother sun, and mother moon, and father this, and mother sea and all that. Well, my question that I
have in my mind, was this given to them by some priesthood, or were they just being natural?
Alan: I think they were probably being more natural, because we view things entirely differently when we’re
indoctrinated with scientific explanations for things. So, some of the things that are perfectly natural in
human nature, which creates mystery. Mystery is an essential part of human nature. Mystery goes hand and
hand with comfort and belonging. And when you see a hilltop, it might be magical to you, because you have
a tremendous, wonderful feeling there. And so that is perfectly, perfectly natural. It doesn’t mean that you
end up worshiping the mountain. It simply means that for you, that’s a magical place.
Jackie: Well, remember when we were talking, I don’t know how many broadcasts ago, about the
hermaphrodites and about women, today, who have given up, literally, the most precious function that the
female has in this world. Number one it’s nurturing, but the procreation. You know, it takes the male seed,
but right now as we are, and they knew it then, that it was the woman who kept the clans going, who
procreated. And women were revered for that.
Alan: That’s right. Mind you, you can do an awful lot in a good society without any lawyers you see. It’s the
lawyers and the business and the system that creates the strife, as they manipulate the system for their own
ends. But there’s no doubt that women are the main target really, because they understand male and
female. They understand both psychologies, and they target so much of the New Age Philosophy that
Gorbachev was talking about, about creating and bringing to the main religion of the world. They
understand the female is more in tune with flowers, plants, and so on, through her natural nature. And
they’re manipulating that for their own ends, against the best wishes of the people. So they know how to do
that with the woman. And with the guy at the moment, I mean….
Jackie: But what they’ve done with the woman is masculinized her, Alan.
Alan: That’s what Carl Jung said. He said, it’s all over, he said, when the female loses her eros. And he said
that in the ’50s, when he watched American women emulate the males in their dress, in the way that they
walked to try to match their strides, and then try to copy their body language, then of course they started to
talk like men, as well. And they knew darn well that man does not want to marry a competitor, you see.
And that’s what they created. Naturally, that’s why no marriages pretty well, on the whole anyway, work
anymore. You don’t marry to get into competition with somebody. You marry somebody for their
difference.
Jackie: Well, you know, okay. Here’s a thought. I want to get this in before this broadcast is over, because,
you know, when you read Paul, in the Old Testament, women are to be seen and not heard, and etc. And
the male is the godhead of the home and etc. But in marriage, a true marriage, even though the male has
the superior strength, the female has nurturing, and as you said, the understanding of herbs and flowers,
etc. In a true relationship, on an emotional or mental level, wouldn’t it be that there would be a partnership,
so to speak?
Alan: It should be, but one of the male specialties is survival capabilities. And to have survival capabilities,
his instincts will take over, and the woman must follow.
Jackie: Yeah, well, if it comes down to survival.
Alan: But the government has overpassed the male by giving us media stars to follow, like Dr. Phil and so
on.
Jackie: Then you’re saying that women don’t have that survival instinct.
Alan: Not the same. No.
Jackie: Not the same.
Alan: Not the same. Women will go for security and that’s why they go for….
Jackie: God, we’re out of time, oh jeez, we’re out of this hour. Oh, Alan. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we’ll
be back with you Monday. And I don’t know. Maybe we would. I don’t know, if we could pick this
conversation up again, but I would like to consider it. Alan, thank you.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: This was lovely, tonight. Thank you. Good Night, ladies and gentlemen.
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August 8th 2005
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
Jackie Patru: Good Evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for being with us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It
is Monday. It is the 8th of August in the year 2005. Hope you had a nice weekend, and I’m glad you’re
back, and I’m glad to be back with you. I’m going to begin here tonight with our spiritual message. This is
from “Writings by the Essential Alan Watts”, that’s W-A-T-T-S, and this is a short one. It’s on faith. He says,
“Faith is a state of openness, or trust. To have faith is like when you trust yourself to the water. You don’t
grab hold of the water when you swim, because if you do, you’ll become stiff and tight, and you’ll sink. You
have to relax. And the attitude of faith is the very opposite of clinging and holding on. In other words a
person who’s a fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the
Universe, becomes the person who has no faith at all. Instead they’re holding tight. But the attitude of faith
is to let go and become open to truth, whatever it might turn out to be.” Whatever it might turn out to be,
folks. I like that. And Alan Watt, the essential Alan Watt is with us tonight. Not Alan Watts. Alan, thanks
for being here.
Alan Watt: It’s a pleasure, yeah.
Jackie: You know this Alan Watts?
Alan: Yeah.
Jackie: You do?
Alan: He may be a relative, actually.
Jackie: Yeah, well, I wondered.
Alan: Yeah, a branch of the family did end up in California in the late 1800s. And they spawned quite a few
Watts. They added the S to it, because the ones who registered them were used to the English spelling. Of
course, the original one was just W-A-T-T.
Jackie: Some of his writings are, because somebody emailed me. I think it was email, shoot, I don’t know,
maybe they mailed them to me. Anyway, I found his writings quite intriguing. And so, I don’t know if I
should say this or not, but I, well, we’re on this subject. I remember, a long time ago, you said you had a
black sheep in your family.
Alan: Yes, indeed, yeah.
Jackie: It wasn’t him? Yeah, right?
Alan: No, no.
Jackie: You want to talk about it or no?
Alan: It doesn’t really matter.
Jackie: Okay. You never did tell me about it either, come to think of it. Well, Alan. Thanks for being here
tonight.
Alan: Yeah, as I say, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: We were in such a fascinating conversation last Wednesday, when we ran out of our hour. And I
always so dread when that happens, because sometimes the conversation itself really just takes a turn that
you wish you had another hour or two, and we didn’t and it’s really difficult to pick it up, isn’t it. We were
talking actually about, you know, the hermaphrodites and stuff like that. And then we got talking about man
and woman and you were talking about, you know the fact that, in fact maybe you could expand on this a
little bit more. Maybe it doesn’t need expanding upon, but the fact that women have been really targeted to
help push through, if you would, the plan for world dominion, because of their emotionalism, and what?
Alan: Well, I always say that on this subject, there’s no one, there’s nothing on the planet been so
thoroughly observed nature-wise than man and woman. And the ancients knew perfectly well the
differences of the male and the female natures, and they also knew how to exploit either one of them.
Jackie: Would you repeat that, Alan?
Alan: Yeah, the ancients. When you read the ancients’ writings on the difference between male and female,
they knew both natures perfectly well. They knew all the natural tribal aspects of both. Which all our
natural survival comes from, really our survival needs and mechanisms, comes from tribalism. But they also
knew the distinct difference between the male and the female, and by knowing the differences they could
exploit either one, whenever it suited them. And every government in what we call civilization, meaning the
birth of priesthoods and writing, and money, altogether, you’ll find they’ve always exploited either the male
or the female for particular goals, politically. And what they knew in ancient times was that in tribalism,
most of the women lived in the middle of the village, where it was secure….
Jackie: So the men could protect them?
Alan: They didn’t have to worry about enemies or anything, or predators coming through, because the men
were on the perimeter. The men were always off hunting, too. So, the men took the protective role on.
And that’s what’s claimed, that’s where the reason for women’s ability to communicate much more easily
than the male came from. Because they had a relaxed atmosphere and there was no tension. They felt
secure. So, the female looks for security above all other things. And because she needs security, when the
Catholic Church came into Europe on the heels of the Normans, the Norman invasion, these strange people
who came across, with this system of money, kings and queens, aristocracy, and backed up by a Church, the
Catholic Church, as they were destroying the tribal system, they made it mandatory that one man and one
woman would mate for life. And so, a form of breeding program took over, where they kept the genealogies
of the workers.
Jackie: It wasn’t like that back in the tribal, in the more ancient?
Alan: No. There was no external priesthood who came in, or foreign priesthood who came in. In fact,
Tacitus, who was the historian for Nero, he recorded how the people in Britain lived, in the tribes. And he
said that if a male and female did choose to live together, it was not mandatory, but if a male and female did
choose to live together, she would come in, or he would come into her place, and live for up to six months.
And if they decided mutually that it wasn’t working, he would then leave, and there was no discrimination
from the rest of the tribe, or fallout of any kind. It was perfectly accepted as a natural way, rather than go
through all the nonsense of, you know. So, that was the way that they lived.
Jackie: That was in those tribes in Britain.
Alan: And throughout Europe, too.
Jackie: Yeah, I suppose there were variations.
Alan: Yeah, as I say, most of the women, and they knew, you see, that sexuality, they called the woman the
gateway to the sexual experience, because, really, the power for yes or no, is in the hands of the woman.
She can entice a man over, allow him to know that she’s interested, and just as easily, she can put him off,
or just look away. And so, the women, they weren’t what we would normally today call promiscuous, but
they certainly could pick any partner at any time they wanted to. And the children were brought up
communally in the center of the tribe, by all the women.
Jackie: It takes a village.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: You know, in a sense, Alan, that stupid book, you know, that allegedly was written by Hillary Clinton,
when you think about it, it really is a wonderful opportunity for children to live in a community like that. You
know, when I was married to Nick Patru, and we lived in a Chicago suburb, in Palatine, and it was a real
trenchant mix of people, people who had been, a lot of them were in positions in large corporations. In fact,
one family was from England, that got actually transferred over here. So, most of us were away from our
extended family. And it sort of became that neighborhood, there were probably ten or twelve families, and
we did so many fun things together. We lived at the end of a block that you know wasn’t completely
developed, and we’d get a permit, and have a big block party in the summer, and games for the children.
And I can remember when Nicole came up, well, I thought she was missing. It was evening, just dusk. And
we were all standing out, you know, a few of us standing out talking, and suddenly I looked around. Nicole
was a little girl, and I didn’t see her. And I ran in the house, and she wasn’t in the house. And she was
playing with the little girl next door, the McIntyres, the people from England, and I ran over there, and they
weren’t there. And I, of course, really got panicked, but I’m going to tell you, that within a matter of five
minutes I was getting calls from people three blocks away, saying, okay, we’re out, we’re looking. And it
was just, it was like ants out there. It turned out kind of humorous, because when I went into our house,
evidently they had been over to the McIntyres, and then they walked from there over back to our house, and
I missed them both ways. And, we found them sitting watching television in the family room. But it was so
cool that everybody came forth like that. And when children were some place playing, wherever they were
playing, the parents there were keeping their eyes on the children. And I loved it. It really was that kind of
a feeling, where people cared about others, and about all the children, not just their own. Something that I
thought about. You said something last week that sparked a thought in my mind, when you mentioned that
the men are more survival. They have a stronger survival instinct, did you say?
Alan: No.
Jackie: Okay, what did you say?
Alan: In a natural setting, the man’s survival instincts were supreme, because he could sense the coming
danger. He knew how to handle various outside threats, and suchlike. And of course, when the priesthoods
came in with the system they brought with them, backed by military force, and destroyed the tribal system,
what they did then, was elevate the king, the queen, the nobility, the priests as well, over the head of the
husband, because the women crave security. And they would promise them peace and security, and all this
kind of thing. And so, the husband, even though it was mandatory that he marry this woman, he was
second rate in a sense. He didn’t have the authority that he used to have. And we see this in modern times
more so, because the television, which is a programmer, that’s why they’re called programs, it programs the
public on what to think and the topics, on what they should dwell upon and so on. It gives you your opinion,
really. They go over the heads of all the husbands and have since the days of Donahue, especially, where
they put on all these programs, one hour specials, psychological roller coasters, really, which brought you
from a starting point to a finishing conclusion on every topic they introduced, done expertly, with
psychologists helping the show. And women were being downloaded with all this information. The
husbands had no idea. And this was all to help with the so-called sexual revolution. And women eventually,
once again, they’ve replaced their husband from the position he once held, and they’ve replaced him with
guys like Dr. Phil. So when Dr. Phil says something, it must be true. And if old Harry, sitting over there,
says something, well, who is he. He’s not on television. That’s how simply this technique works. So, the
people who manipulate the sides understand this. Now, when it comes to personal, individual, survival, the
woman will outstrip the male. And all studies have shown this. That whereas men, if they ever leave a wife,
will do it spontaneously, or through an argument or something, whereas the woman will, the guy is the last
to know when the woman leaves. And she’ll have planned it probably at least months ago, every step. And
so, women will always survive in order to simply be happy or to choose the way they want to live, or what
they want to do, but it’s methodical, and it’s for themselves personally. Not necessarily even for children.
It’s for their own personal.
Jackie: How do you know that? How do you know that, what you’re saying?
Alan: Because it’s in all the modern psychological studies, and sociological studies.
Jackie: Well, wasn’t what’s his name, oh God, that pervert, Kinsey, wasn’t he put up there as a great…
Alan: Leader, yeah.
Jackie: Okay, well. I guess, okay. Maybe I’m relating what you’re saying to myself personally. But, if a
woman has children, I mean, for the most part, her first thought is going to be how am I going to be able to
take care of myself and the children. I don’t think that women in general make these plans or these moves
with only their selves in mind.
Alan: Well, you’ll find if you read the modern sociological studies, and it’s all for social workers, and it comes
from social workers.
Jackie: But how do we know those statistics are real, Alan?
Alan: You can check them. In fact, you can phone up personal social workers you know and they will tell
you that’s exactly what they experience, over and over.
Jackie: The women care more about themselves than they do their children?
Alan: When it comes to the crunch, for their own, what they’ve decided is happiness, they will plan their own
exit, as I say, long in advance. It’s not spontaneous. And I’m not talking about abuse situations or anything
like that, where it is, it might be spontaneous. I’m talking about personal survival for their own personal
happiness, or a change of mind over something, career-wise or whatever. That is the general trend that’s
verified over and over. So, that is what happens.
Jackie: You know what I’ve noticed. And this is going back quite a ways, through my past, with friends and
I’m talking about even after high school, when my friends began getting married, and we were getting
married and wanting to raise families, etc, something that I noticed is that a lot of times, a woman won’t
even leave a bad situation unless she has another mate to fall back on. I’ve seen that happen a lot.
Alan: That’s common as well. But today, with all the massive money that’s been put into shelters for
women, and their children. And every township even has homes that are kept vacant and are on a rotating
schedule as more come in.
Jackie: Yeah, but aren’t those for abused women, for the most part?
Alan: Well, they can claim any kind of abuse, mental abuse, and they don’t even have to hear another side
of it. It’s mandatory now. But for males out there, there is nothing. There’s nothing at all.
Jackie: Well, let me tell you what Joseph Biden said. Boy, Alan, when he said this, this stuck with me. It
was when they were working on the crime bill. And that would have been probably some time back in ’93 or
’94 or somewhere around there, when I was a C-SPAN junkie. He was talking about this crime bill. And he
was telling about some of the new laws that were going to be in place. For example, if a woman was beat
by her husband, she didn’t have to report him, but if somebody else reported him, that was a crime against
the state. And the man would be picked up. And he said, we, with this bill, we are going to empower
women like they have never been empowered before. And they certainly did it, didn’t they, Alan?
Alan: They did it. And now, it’s customary for lawyers…
Jackie: Like you said, a woman can make an accusation.
Alan: And they’ve found this through many studies, it’s customary for lawyers now to advise all women who
come to them to state that their husbands were sexually abusing their children. That’s now common
practice.
Jackie: I was just going to say that. All a woman has to do is make an accusation, and she could do it out of
nothing but spite. Maybe find out her husband has a lover or something, and she makes an accusation, that
man is going to go through hell.
Alan: Yes. So, yeah, the people at the top use marriage, in fact, they created marriage as we know it, to
serve a certain era, for their own ends, not for the people’s ends. They had to get a certain stock, a hardy
stock built up, to go through an industrial era. And that’s when the frenzy of activity through science began,
was in the 1500s. And nothing much happened from the Norman invasion right up into the 1500s. And
when they knew they had to by the year 2000 have gone through an industrial and a technological era, then
that’s when they started the marriage program, big time. And keeping genealogies, all kept by churches,
births, deaths, etc. And the priests, generally, up until the Protestant Revolution, were the matchmakers.
They decided who married whom. And when the priest suggested to you that your daughter should marry
this guy over there, that wasn’t a suggestion. That was basically an order. So, they were mating up people
to be hardy stock, to go through the industrial era, which they had to get through, to build up the sciences,
which they had to acquire. They knew where they were going with it all.
Jackie: I wonder if this conversation right now would sound like something out of this world to a new
listener.
Alan: If he’s a new listener, he’s going to have to accept that or go further.
Jackie: Yeah, well. Yes. I just wanted to say this though, because it just entered my mind, that if you are a
new listener, you should not reject out of hand what you’re hearing, because if you are a new listener,
you’ve missed hours and hours and hours. And if you haven’t read Alan’s books, and the confirmation that
I’ve received over the years, that well, ha, actually, I don’t know of anything that I have found refuted yet,
Alan. But I do remember, you know, when we first began to do broadcasts together, I don’t know how
many times I would say to our listeners, just because Alan says this doesn’t mean it’s so, because I don’t
know that it is. And so, I invited them to listen and consider, but to do their homework. And that was when
finally, you know, we talked about, and you decided it would be very helpful when you wrote that first book,
to confirm for people, from ancient or old books and writings and etc. But, I didn’t disbelieve you, but I
didn’t necessarily believe you. You understand what I’m saying. And now, as we’re talking, this seems so
natural to me, what we’re talking about, and so not matter of fact, but that I know it’s so. I know that it is
so, what the planning. It’s been a science for a long, long time, hasn’t it, Alan?
Alan: Oh, absolutely. And it was used in the Middle East thousands of years before the marriage system
even, for control purposes, where the king or the state would rule over the public, rather than have a tribe
living there independently and all working together. So, yeah, they displaced the tribe and then they
become the substitute leaders, and they have total control over everyone, but they still use tribal techniques.
That’s why they give you national symbols, which is drummed into you that that’s yours, and you will
respond to those things as soon as you see them, and national anthems. These are all tribal things, you see.
Jackie: Like a flag.
Alan: A flag and brass bands and tunes. All that kind of thing. And every country is given their own national
anthem. And they hear that and they cry and all this stuff. And someone points the way to war, and they
all just rush off. This is just basic tribal conditioning, which is being used.
Jackie: And you know what I find interesting. The, I think it’s England’s, it’s God Save the Queen, or God
Save the King. That tune is the same exact tune that we sing, America, oh Beautiful for Spacious Skies, I
think that’s the one. Okay. And then, when I was doing a search on the internet for when we were talking
about quite a while ago, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Zeus, Zeus-Pater. Well, okay, I found a song, an old
Masonic song, and it was sung to the tune of America. And it was about Jehovah, Jove, Creator of All,
Jehovah, Jove, is exactly what it said.
Alan: The same, the same By George, that’s how it ends.
Jackie: Jehovah, Jove, our Lord.
Alan: Sure, this is an amazing dual reality. We’re given one reality, while the other ones that run this show,
laugh up their sleeves when they live in the other reality. And that’s just the way it is. We are perfectly
dumbed down, cattle, basically, for their purposes. We serve their purpose. And now, with the UN Charter,
and the whole globalistic push, they’ve simply put it into writing, that we are, our duty is to serve the state,
the world state. That’s what they’re talking about.
Jackie: You know, I made a little note here when you were talking about marriage. How they pushed
marriage for their own. Well, I don’t know how it is in other states, but I have, right from the law books,
here, in Pennsylvania, that in marriage there are three parties. The husband, the wife, and the state.
Alan: And the state.
Jackie: Of necessity.
Alan: That’s why you have a license.
Jackie: Alan, when I saw that, I thought, oh, my God. And then you think about it. The State can either yes
or no, whether you can even get a marriage license, okay? And then, it’s up to the State, the judges, the
courts, to either okay or deny a divorce. And then they get in the middle of all the, you know, little details of
who gets what, and who and etc. And it’s all decided by the State.
Alan: That’s right. So, yeah, they run the whole show. And we really don’t have the freedoms we thought
we had. We have freedom within their system to follow the rules within their system. But, if you try to walk
to the edge of that system, suddenly you’ll find that it’s a different world altogether. Because people will
appear from odd places, and put you right back into that system or else. So, yeah, we are economic units
who supply the energy, just like the batteries in the Matrix, for the elitists’ purposes. That’s our function.
And under the UN Charter, we are economic units, and our duty, as I say, is to serve the World State. Now
even a citizen, the term citizen, legally means, you’re born into a system with pre-existing duties. How can
you be free if you’re born into a system where there are pre-existing duties, you see. That’s not freedom at
all. You’re born, in other words, with a purpose, to serve them.
Jackie: You know, when you mentioned the word unit. I had a friend from when I lived in Collinville, Illinois.
He was in a high position, a management position in an insurance company. And I was talking to him about
some of this stuff, a long time ago, when I very first started. And he smiled at me, and he said, you know
what they call the insurance agents, and I said, no, and they were something like, not economic units, but it
was something unit. That they were actually referred to as units. He said, you’re not going to like this, but
he got it, Alan. Folks, we’re going to take a break here.
(Commercial Break)
Jackie: We’re back. I made a couple of notes here, Alan, thoughts that I had when you were talking about
these economic units. And I wrote, you know, as you were talking, capital, The Herd, and Chattel. That is
the root of that world. And then the chattel in those days were their cattle. And they were actually, their
value or their wealth was determined by how many head of cattle they had.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: And that was their capital.
Alan: Yes, and that’s why, when Margaret Thatcher was in, she brought back what they called the head tax.
Jackie: Head, oh, we have head tax here.
Alan: They just count the heads. And if you go back to Plato, Plato had the order, the ruling elites with the
dominant minority running the show called The Guardians. They were the perpetual guardians of their
system. That’s what they meant by that. Then they’d have the helpers of the Guardians.
Jackie: Say that again.
Alan: Plato, 2300 years ago, wrote The Republic. And that was his vision of a future World State, run by the
elite, for the elite, in perpetuity. And it had always been going, actually before he was born, and he got it all
from Egypt, where he studied. He gave the system out there. He said that there’s a guardian class. The
Guardians, again, are split up into sections. They have the absolute top or creme-de-le-creme of the
Guardian class.
Jackie: Who, okay, as an example, in today’s world.
Alan: But getting back to it, you have to understand what he said first, before you can get back to today.
Jackie: Okay, I just wanted, and then, you’ll give us an example.
Alan: Yeah, because he said that at the top, and this is a Masonic coding, by the way, the Lazy Boy, LaZy
Boy, la in French, of course, the male-female hermaphrodite, that’s what they mean by that, Z Boy, and the
Z is connected, as above so below. And the Y, again, is the male, primarily male form, or mentality, the Y
chromosome. So boy, the Lazy Boy doesn’t do any work. So at the top, the ones who run the show do no
work. And so, below them, they have what they call the Fat Man. The Fat Man goes round all the higher
lodges and picks up all the data on everyone. That’s his job. That’s why you had Fat Man and Little Boy for
the Atomic Bombs they dropped on Japan. It was all Masonic coding. When they dropped them on the 33rd
degree parallel.
Jackie: What was Little Boy?
Alan: Yeah, 33rd degree parallel, Hiroshima. 33 degrees.
Jackie: Yeah, but what was Little Boy? That wasn’t Lazy Boy, was it?
Alan: It was a form of it, yeah.
Jackie: Okay, Fat Boy and Little Boy.
Alan: And Little Boy. Fat Man and Little Boy.
Jackie: Fat Man and Little Boy.
Alan: And of course, in the Batman, you have Batman and Robin, who’s a little boy. Because in the ancient
philosophers, who helped set this system up, always had their little boy. Anyway, the top Guardian class,
and then the dominant minority, that would be the ones who were shown to the public as being in charge of
affairs, the actual workers on a higher level, there you could definitely point to the guys like Kissinger, who
has always been involved behind the scenes in politics, and obviously takes his orders from a higher source,
not presidents.
Jackie: Yeah. Would Rockefellers and them be?
Alan: Rockefeller too, no doubt about it. They said in the 1700s that they would dominate the world by what
they called philanthropy, philanthropic methods. Meaning, if they could give the big money to create
charitable organizations with what would appear to have good social values, then they would eventually end
up making the social values and the policies, which they have done. All policies now have their champions,
and the NGOs are all funded by the big philanthropic organizations. And the Rockefeller foundation is now in
charge also of a couple of other ones. Like the Morgan Trust was one of them they took over. Like the
Morgan Bank. And so they have these charitable trusts, where they can choose which NGOs they will
finance.
Jackie: And they are tax free.
Alan: And they also, every university, in the States, the US and in Canada, gets funding from these
philanthropic organizations. And Rockefeller funds every university in Canada. But along with the funding
comes little requests, not to talk about certain subjects, you see.
Jackie: We have a call. Shall we take it?
Alan: Yeah.
Jackie: Hi, you’re on the air.
Caller: Hi, yes. Hello. I just have a question for Alan, and then I’ll hang up, so I can hear him. I want to
know the play of, the position of, I’m sure he may have heard of it, of the place called the Bank for
International Settlements. There was a woman on I think Joyce Riley and Dave von Kleist show and gave a
website, I think it’s womansgroup.org. And she said that was.
Jackie: That was Joan Veon.
Caller: Right, right. And she said that every month, all these big banks, the banks that run the Bank of
England, the Federal Reserve, they all, they have chairmen, the chairman’s appointed by directors of the
board, that Greenspan is the chairman and the other bank is the Bank of England, they all have to report
once they actually go there physically. I mean, it could be done on the phone or the internet, but they go
there physically, once a month, to the Bank of International Settlements.
Jackie: What is your question, Storm?
Caller: And also, if the Bank of International Settlements has a website, or something, if he could, you know,
find out.
Jackie: Okay. What is your question, Storm?
Caller: Well, what I want to know is, that bank, is that the top bank that runs these other banks. And this
woman, she was talking about Sith and Lucifer and all that. Is that really true about this Lucifer stuff?
Because, as far as I know, what Cooper….
Jackie: Okay, just state your question, honey.
Caller: Oh, okay. Well, I want to know if he could elaborate on that, on the Bank of International
Settlements, who runs it. Because I know, you know, the Federal Reserve is run by Rockefeller, and.
Jackie: Okay, okay. Thank you. Okay, thanks Storm.
Caller: Okay, bye.
Jackie: Sorry about that, Alan.
Alan: Yeah. It’s just a sidetrack, that.
Jackie: Yeah, it was a sidetrack, wasn’t it?
Alan: Yeah. To get us off in a whole bunch stuff of stuff they can find on the Internet themselves. The
International Monetary Fund is the big boy. The rest of it is just the compartments of the legal system.
Jackie: IMF is the big bank, the big one. And isn’t it interesting that the Secretary of the Treasury of the US
is the governor of the International Monetary Fund.
Alan: Yeah, well. Everything is connected.
Jackie: I know, Alan. But, you know what, you know that. But when it can be connected for others.
Alan: Well, if they’ve been listening to Joyce and Dave, I’m sure they know it all. And Joan Veon just
happens to get into all these meetings. Maurice Strong, who was the second in command at the UN, and in
charge of the World Bank, put there by Rockefeller, knows her by first name.
Jackie: According to her?
Alan: Yeah. Now, you can’t get near that guy with all his bodyguards, you know, unless you’re really in
there. And I understand her job is international investments.
Jackie: Yeah, it’s an international women’s group, is what it’s called.
Alan: Yeah, of investment companies. And what they do is they go there, and they find out where the US is
going to plunk more money, which country, and then they tell all their members, you’re guaranteed this is
going to be a winner, because the US is financing it. This is a con game. It’s a con game. So, their job is to
go round and make sure you’re terrified by what’s coming. They have no answers for you, but they make
their living on it. A very good living, by the way. In fact, Veon couldn’t survive in the lifestyle she must live,
without the World Bank and the UN. International investments. That’s all I have to say on that.
Jackie: Okay, thank you, Alan.
Alan: So, if we get back to Plato and the Republic.
Jackie: Okay, yes, and you were explaining, or giving us some examples of the dominant minority. And that
would include the Rothschilds also.
Alan: Yeah. Those that are visible to the public in high social managerial positions.
Jackie: Okay. And today, who would be the Fat Man?
Alan: The Fat Man is a collector who goes round. They also call him the Grey Man. And the Grey Man is the
person who goes between the ones who are never seen by the public and brings the policies to the
presidents, the advisors to presidents. So the Grey Men take that position as well, on a higher level.
Jackie: They’re the advisors.
Alan: On lower levels, on high Masonic organizations, the Fat Man, as they call him, goes round and gets all
the info.
Jackie: We have another call here. Hello.
Caller: No, very quickly. I wanted him to elaborate on Benjamin Creme and this Lord Maitreya business.
Who is the Maitreya? Is he real? Or is this something fake? A representation, or what? If he could just
elaborate on that. He was on the George Noory Show and…
Jackie: Well….
Caller: I know. But what’s funny is, when they give themselves away. George Noory played Van Halen’s
Running with the Devil, before he put him on. And I said, what the hell is this?
Jackie: Okay. Thanks, Storm.
Caller: Okay.
Alan: These are just distractions we’re getting here.
Jackie: Yeah, do you want to….
Alan: Benjamin Creme’s name tells you all you have to know if you understand Freemasonry.
Jackie: Well, tell us.
Alan: Ben is son of, in Hebrew.
Jackie: Son of.
Alan: And jamin is from James, I am. If you take the y and put the I there from the Latin to the Aramaic. I
am the son of crem. Crem is fire. I am the son of fire. It’s Masonic. That’s all you have to know.
Jackie: Son of fire. Well, what does that connote?
Alan: It tells you that it’s another Masonic sideshow.
Jackie: Oh, okay. The Maitreya, is that the same thing?
Alan: Everyone who has seen the light, or broken through into the real world, is called, traditionally,
everyone, a Maitreya. So, you can call yourself one, if you want.
Jackie: Oh, okay. Thanks. (Laughter)
Alan: Yeah. That’s Hindu philosophy. And anyone who has broken through is a Maitreya.
Jackie: Okay. I’d like to go back. This is for our listeners. Of course, this whole conversation is for our
listeners. But when we were talking about the economic units, the herd, the cattle.
Alan: And Plato, by the way, I should say this, when we’re on that word, unit. He said that the Guardian
class, the helpers, the military group that would interbreed with male and female warriors, in the final days
of this system, which we have today, and all the ones beneath that were raw material. All the common
people were raw material, and they were called not people, but its. And Unit is the French, Un is one.
That’s what it means in French. The UN means one. So you have one it. So, you are a one it, a unit.
That’s from Plato, right up to today. Hasn’t changed. It’s all coding.
Jackie: I wanted any of our newer listeners, in case that you have any doubts about this portion of our
conversation, there is an article by Cindy Weatherly, Are Your Children Human Capital? and underneath that
article is an executive order that was signed by Bill Clinton, and it basically was a commission that was to
study capital, and it includes in the executive order, that they will study all kinds of capital and including
human capital. And then they were supposed to report, and part of the report was on the depreciation of
capital. Alan, how do you depreciate human capital?
Alan: If you depreciate them then you simply either breed more, so their value is less, really. Many hands
make light work, as they say in China. Or you can go the other way, and you can start the culling of them.
Jackie: That’s what I was thinking. The depreciation of capital.
Alan: Of course the men in the West are becoming sterile with every yearly UN report on male sperm count.
Last year, the sperm count was down 75% in the average Western male, aged 25, compared to 1950 levels.
So, he’s almost sterile. He’s only got 25% of live sperm, as opposed to his father or grandfather.
Jackie: You know where I was with that? When people are no longer “on the tax rolls” they’re considered
useless eaters.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: And I was thinking about that as the “depreciation of human capital.” That when you become a
useless eater, you need to be sent elsewhere. But yet on the other hand, what you’re saying is the
depreciation of human capital could be the reduction of the numbers.
Alan: Absolutely.
Jackie: Oh, Alan. I got. I hadn’t thought about it that way. Wow.
Alan: Yeah. And I should tell them too, maybe, about the three books I’ve got.
Jackie: I think you should.
Alan: Because I go through Freemasonry from ancient times, long before the guilds, all the nonsense they
tell you, oh, they began in the Middle Ages with the guilds. No, they were on the go thousands of years
ago, much higher orders of course. The guys in the Blue Lodge are at the bottom of the heap. They don’t
know there’s anything above them. I go through the history. The monetary history as well. The history of
commerce from thousands of years ago. The introduction of money. How the money boys took over the
ancient countries one by one, by forming standing armies, which they then sent off to invade other
countries. And, so I show you that nothing has changed. And today, the US and Canada and Britain, are
simply finishing off the task of bringing the Muslim countries, who don’t allow usury, they’re bringing them
into this system called democracy, with a centralized bank, a debt system, and a bunch front people we call
politicians, who were chosen by the elite above them. [See ordering information on transcript.] And I sent
a stack out just this morning. So, they’ll be getting them soon. So, I’ll have to get another bunch printed
up, if I can.
Jackie: Okay, good. So, people who have ordered whatever books they’ve ordered, they’re in the mail.
Alan: They’re on their way.
Jackie: That’s great. You, Alan, you were mentioning in your books, you know, about the democracy. And
I’ve been, oh, my goodness. I’ve been in JINSA’s website. That’s the Jewish Institute of National Security
Affairs. And they had a press release welcoming John Bolton as the, they call it now, the permanent, this is
the way they said it, anyway, the permanent representative of the US to the United Nations. And I recall,
and the reason I recall it, is because I bolded it, when I pasted it in, that he was bringing the understanding
that democracy is a higher form of government. Now, what does that mean, Alan?
Alan: Well, it does mean, it’s more governed from on high, meaning the people who really run the show
anyway.
Jackie: Democracy.
Alan: I mean, people in Britain have known for centuries that democracy is simply the facade for the public.
And they call it the establishment, are the ones who really rule the country. And no one bucks the
establishment. And these are the ones, the old aristocracies, that have always run the country. Politics and
democracy are simply a pantomime for the public, to believe in and get involved in. But it’s a pantomime
none the less.
Jackie: Well, basically, they say that democracy is mob rule.
Alan: But it’s not.
Jackie: Yeah, exactly. It’s elite rule, isn’t it?
Alan: It’s elite rule, and they simply use the majority. They use the majority to bring in new forms of
whatever. They’ll say, “well, what’s your problem. Everyone else has accepted this.”
Jackie: That’s right.
Alan: That’s the idea.
Jackie: They get the majority to go along with them.
Alan: Because they know that 87% of the public in all ages, in all countries, will always go along with any
agenda they’re told to go along with.
Jackie: 87%.
Alan: And therefore, for the ones who hold out, they’ll say, “well, what’s wrong with you. Everyone else
have accepted their ID card, you know.” That’s how it works. That’s why they love the term, democracy.
But it’s certainly not mob rule, because the mob truly have no real say in anything.
Jackie: Well, no they don’t. But they think they do. That’s the whole point.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: That’s what’s so slick about this plan, Alan. It appears that the people, it’s the people who want this,
and really, the people, the majority of the people, have been so mind controlled, that they want whatever
they’re told they want. That’s it. They say whatever they’re told to think.
Alan: Exactly.
Jackie: And they say, this is what I think.
Alan: Well, Brzezinski said in the ’70s in one of his books. And he should know, since his speciality was mind
control on a mass scale, with psychotronic warfare. He said, shortly the public will be unable to come to a
conclusion by themselves. They’ll simply come to the conclusion they’re given by the media on the previous
night’s news. And that will be their topics of conversation at work the next day. So, they understand all of
this, you know. And strangely enough, even Madame Blavatsky knew this was coming. Because she
announced a way of manipulating the minds of everyone was available in the 1800s. And she was afraid this
would be used for all the wrong purposes by a few of the elite.
Jackie: Well, what do you mean she was afraid that it would be misused?
Alan: Well, Blavatsky herself was a stooge. You see, all people who come out as a front are often, not that
she was well meaning, but many of them are well meaning stooges, who have been told part of the plan,
but not the whole thing. And they’ve been told there would be a utopia, etc. But she did know that there
was talk in her day of using this technology on the minds of the public. Alexander Graham Bell’s father was
using forms of mind impulse, or vibrational impulse to get into the heads of the deaf people by bursting,
very controlled bursts of sound waves, which would hit the skulls of people, and they could maybe hear the
messages. You’d hear it inside your head. That technology from the 1800s is way, way so advanced now
today.
Jackie: Oh, my God.
Alan: And the CIA admit they were using this stuff, back as early as the 1950s.
Jackie: Okay, I want to get back to Blavatsky. Are you saying that she saw this, she saw the potential and
thought it could be good?
Alan: She saw it, but she also had, I guess, a little bit of warning that maybe the plan that she’d been told
about wasn’t the whole plan, and that there was more to all of this. She had to have, because the doors
were opened up for her wherever she went, but she didn’t know the whole plan, I’m sure. She was more of
an actress than anything else, you know, who was playing a role.
Jackie: We’ll take a call. You’re on the air.
Caller: Yeah, I was going to say, if anybody is interested, you can get H.P. Blavatsky’s book from
Kessingers.net. And also, there’s another author too. Have you ever head of, well, I’m sure you’ve heard of
him, Manley P. Hall, The Theosophical Research Society. But Lucifer Magazine, it’s surprising. I didn’t think
that Kessinger still published those old magazines.
Jackie: Oh, My God. You know, I’ve always wanted to see those.
Caller: Oh, they do. That’s what I don’t understand, it’s so crazy about this. If Alan is listening to me, he
may answer. I don’t understand. Why do they have all the stuff so open?
Jackie: It isn’t open.
Caller: You know what, I don’t care.
Jackie: Kessingers is not open. Thanks, Storm.
Caller: Oh, yes it is. Anybody can get it. You don’t have to be a Mason or belong to secret lodges or
anything to order it.
Alan: The reason it’s given to the public is that they want a lot of public support. A lot of people read this
stuff, and it’s formulated in a way that there’s a lot of things you can agree about, what they’re saying.
Jackie: There are. Yes, Alan.
Alan: You just simply don’t, you miss the fact though that there’s little twists in it. And before you know it,
they’ve got you where they want you. Your mind has followed their story, into their conclusion. And that’s
how simple it works.
Jackie: And even if it isn’t their plan, that they’re talking about it, like it’s benevolent, and it could be, but it
isn’t.
Alan: It’s not, no. They will never ever give the…
Jackie: Oh, thank you, oh man. You have just, you know what, that, that’s the razor’s edge, Alan.
Alan: It is. And also, don’t forget….
Jackie: Wait a minute. We’re out of time. Well, I’m not going to say that. We’re out of our hour. Will you
come back tomorrow night?
Alan: Sure, I will.
Jackie: I want to pick this up right here. Okay, oh, thanks. Folks, we’ll be back with you tomorrow night
with Alan Watt, and thanks for being here. I’m glad you are. And God Bless you folks
August 10th, 2005
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
Jackie: Well, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is
Wednesday. It is the last day of our broadcast week. It is the 10th of August, in the year 2005. And Alan is
with us, Alan Watt is with us again this evening folks. And if you were not listening last night, there is a
possibility that Alan is not going to be able to continue his work, unless there’s some help coming forth, and
maybe Alan, we could mention it just briefly for our listeners who weren’t tuned in last night. But I, folks, I
think it behooves all of us, to extremely appreciate and listen, and to what has been offered, what has been
presented. Alan Watt, I said this a long, long time ago, he brought us out of the Dark Ages, and into the
beginning, coming into the light, if you would, of the truth. And I would really regret if we wouldn’t be able
to have him on, or if you, those of you, many of you I know, who’ve had conversations with Alan wouldn’t be
able to get a hold of him.
[Technical difficulties at radio station]
Jackie: Well, what I wanted to talk, remember last night, when I said there was a subject I’d like us to
address, you to address. What I, and I know that we touched on it. (Phone rings) Yes.
Caller: Hello, Jackie. Yeah, this is Jim again. You’re on.
Jackie: Thanks very much, Jim. Bye. Alright, we’re on the air now, for our shortwave listeners. Folks, I’m
sorry for that mix-up. No, I’m sure WWCR is sorry, because it wasn’t us. But Alan, what I would like you to
address tonight is the Israel identity, Christian identity. And I know that you’ve said, well, it’s all part of the
thing, and all that. But there are a lot of people I don’t think who understand what that entails, where did it
come from, and all of that. Would you be willing to kind of expand on that?
Alan: I don’t really like talking about it. I’ll tell you why.
Jackie: Why?
Alan: We’ve done it before.
Jackie: But not to any length.
Alan: And also, it’s like going back to kindergarten. And if people can’t understand the basics of what’s
happening in their lives at this precise moment, they don’t stand much of a chance of what’s rushing down
upon them. It’s almost like trying to start right back at scratch, square one, to bring them up to date, and
there’s no time. All we need to know is that Christian identity has royal approval. It’s chartered by the British
royalty. It’s part of the British Empire movement to convince the public that Britain, or London, put it this
way. See, we get confused with terms of nations. These aren’t nations. These are capital cities with elites
living in them. And so, London, really, about 200 families in London run the British Empire. And, of course,
they use every psychological means to do so. And there’s nothing better than appealing to people’s ego,
telling them they’re superior or special, and using religion to back it up. That’s an ancient technique that’s
been used for thousands and thousands of years in all empires, and all the British Israel movement is another
one towards that global agenda. And the idiots that follow it I have no time for, to be honest with you. I
think they’re petty little elitists. Even the poor ones. There’s nothing worse than looking at someone who’s
poor, but believing they’re superior because God told them so. And looking down their noses at other people.
It’s a snobbish thing. It has snob appeal. And it also, as I say, furthers the whole movement of globalism,
which will not end up with a utopia for the people. It’s going to be hell for the people, but a utopia for a
small group of elitists who’ve used them all. And it’s chartered, as I say, all of these movements that are
interlinked, even, I might even say the latter one, who was just on the show, in your time space. It’s all part
of the same thing, whether they try to deny it or not. They’re all part of the same grouping, of elitists, you
know. And that God has made them superior, and it’s their right to rule the world, us against you. But it has
royal charter approval, and that tells you all you really need to know.
Jackie: You’re saying that British Israelism has royal charter approval.
Alan: It’s registered, it’s chartered by the British royalty, like the banks are chartered in Britain by the royalty.
Jackie: And this is where the whole Israel or Christian Identity movement came from?
Alan: Yeah. I mean, it started off with a nutcase, back in the 1800s, who was eventually locked up by the
royalty as being insane, because, well, he thought, since we’re all the children of Israel, then I’ve traced my
lineage back to David, so I’ve got more right to sit on that throne than you do. So, Queen Victoria had him
locked up in an insane asylum, but then her advisors thought, “you know, this is a good idea. If we can con
the people of the Commonwealth to believe that they are the real people of Israel, then they’ll go forward
with our agenda for globalism, and say that it’s God’s work.” And that’s been used ever since. And of course,
they use racism, they use everything to justify it. And they have the white Anglo-Saxons at the top, and
Germanics. And then they have a category, a sliding category, right down to the dark-skinned people. And
you’re graded like eggs, you know. Grade A, B, C or D. And if you’re a D or C, then tough luck, because
you’re not supposed to hang around in the near future. So, this is the whole nonsense with this movement.
It’s a snobbish, elitist-run, political agenda, using religion for the idiots that actually follow it. But then,
followers are always pretty well idiots, and they’re always used. And it’s going to simply end up with
globalism. And at the end, they better pray to their deity for help, being so special, because I don’t think
they’re going to get much, when it all comes down, unless they belong to the inner circles of the elite, which
very few of them do.
Jackie: I guess I always have that hope in my heart, that there will be people that will hear and suddenly see,
you know, the idiocy of it, because it is idiocy. It’s beyond my comprehension. And I just always think,
maybe there’s somebody out there or some out there who suddenly will get it, Alan.
Alan: Well, I’ll tell you, as I say, we’re all going round in this big whirlpool right now. And there are
thousands of organizations and religions all fighting each other, all fighting petty differences, each one given
to the people, each one of those religions given to the people, like tailor-made suits, and they bought them.
And they’re all fighting each other, as they go round and round and round in this whirlpool, and they can’t
even see, as they fight each other, the big drain hole at the bottom that they’re all getting sucked into. And
that’s all intentional. When you create chaos, or an age of chaos, you use every group that you have created
to fight each other and keep the confusion going. And that’s where they all are right now. They’re going
down that big sink hole, because every day there are laws added upon laws, and Joe Public is too busy with
his petty little hobby or his favorite topic, which is generally himself or his religion, to see what’s really
happening. And to deprogram people who’ve chosen this is too strenuous a task, and there’s no time left. It
took centuries and centuries to build up this technique of deprogramming people, and right now, we’re at a
stage where we don’t have the time to go after individuals and do it for them. We’re running out of time,
very fast. You know, I was watching traffic today, as tourists were just going north, and I thought, you
know, not one single one of these vehicles will have an occupant who’s even aware, or is even thinking that
this lifestyle will end eventually. They truly believe that this is going to go on forever.
Jackie: And they’re going to be able to afford the gas to take their trips.
Alan: Even as they’re scraping to do so now, yeah. That’s right.
Jackie: Yeah, and you said Rumsfeld had made the statement, maybe we didn’t hear it here. I’ve not seen it
or heard it, but that, here in the States, that they’re going to be actually doubling the present cost of gas.
Alan: Yes, and that was the same speech that he said that they might use tactical nuclear weapons on Iran.
Jackie: They’re real crazies, aren’t they?
Alan: No, they’re not crazy. They planned this a long, long, probably before I was born.
Jackie: You don’t think that’s crazy, Alan?
Alan: Yeah, it’s crazy with an intellect. So, sure. They know what they’re doing, because they plan it so far
ahead. And I have no doubt something will happen this October, because that’s when Mars will be the
closest it’s been for thousands of years.
Jackie: Oh, the warring planet.
Alan: And of course, the Red October was the revolution for Bolshevism. And red is their color, by the way.
That’s why the British army had the red headband round the officers’ hats. Wherever you see the color red,
that’s their color.
Jackie: They had red coats too, didn’t they?
Alan: Yeah, but nowadays they still have the red band around their hats. And so, by the way, do the Chinese
officers, you’ll notice. Because the capitalists in London created the communists. That’s why. That’s why
you had Red Square. Gene Roddenberry is the red berry, you know, of the Star Trek episodes.
Jackie: Roddenberry. Rodden, Red.
Alan: Their color is red, and it’s been red for thousands of years. The mystery religion. That’s their color.
And they run all religions. That’s why the symbols, all of the symbols that the British Israel Movement used
were all taken from the mystery religion. And the idiots that follow it, don’t even know that. Even their logo,
which is the Templar type cross, which means the sun, the S-U-N, is superimposed over the Saint Andrew’s
cross, which is the X, and of course, that’s the illumined man. That’s the symbol of the illumined man. They
don’t even know that. They’re very ignorant people. They only know what they’ve been told. And it doesn’t
occur to them to investigate it themselves.
Jackie: Oh, you know what. Some of these people have, of course somebody probably taught them, but I
read a thing the other day. In fact, I put it in a file, because it was amazing how this individual went through
the “scriptures” and of course, they never talk about some of those statements that don’t make any sense at
all, that the special and chosen people are going to loan to nations and borrow from none.
Alan: Well, the main thing that the British Israel are always quoting is that the promise given to Abraham and
so on was that his seed would be as, you know, the stars of the sky, and the sands and so on. And of
course, they say, “well, it can’t be the Jews, because there’s not enough of them, so therefore the British
Empire was the biggest one in the world. So, it must be us.” That’s the con game that they go with. That’s
what they play by.
Jackie: Oh, they go through a lot more than that.
Alan: But that’s what they play at. That’s how they keep trying to justify this pathetic movement. And by the
way, the British Israel movement is the World Federalists Association. It’s one in the same thing. They’re
both chartered under the two names. It’s the same organization. They used to call themselves the world
parliamentarians. And now it’s the World Federalist Association. And they get massive funding from all the
foundations and Rockefellers and so on, to make everybody, all these gofers, work towards globalism. And
these gofers think it’s going to be a Utopia for them because they’re God’s chosen people, all these British
people, extract, or Germanic and all this stuff, and they’re all slated for extinction, once their job is over.
That’s the traditional way of things. Those that run this system are cost effective. They don’t believe in
useless eaters. So, once the job is over, there will be no North America, as you know it, or Britain. Britain
has already changed so much so that you wouldn’t know what country it was. You might think it was from
India.
Jackie: In other words, and we were talking about that earlier, or in another conversation, that for the time
being, although Canada and the US and Mexico have been merged, they’re still playing the game with
passports and stuff like that at the borders.
Alan: Yes, but you see, the idea of that is to bring in the universal identity card. They’re already advertising
on radio and television that you can get a quick pass, a quick pass, a pre-screened pass through your border
with this new ID card that you apply for.
Jackie: Oh, my, you’re kidding.
Alan; No.
Jackie: And it’s the same one that England is putting out now.
Alan: Same company that manufacturers them. It’s the same card.
Jackie: And it’s the same card that will be the Real ID.
Alan: And your bank card.
Jackie: They call it here in the US; and do they have a name? Are they using it in Canada now too?
Alan: They’re going to start issuing it with the next licenses I think, this coming year. So, as you get your
license renewed, your driving license, you’ll get the card instead. But you’ll have to go in and get
fingerprinted and eye-scanned.
Jackie: Well, I’ll tell you what. I read the bill myself, and what they have done is they said, they laid it out,
you know, what requirements are going to be, the identification requirements in order to get this ID card.
But it also says that the Secretary of Homeland Security can add any other requirements that he feels are
necessary.
Alan: Yeah. It’s wide open.
Jackie: So, it’s a Czar. It’s a Totalitarian. Yeah, and I wanted our listeners to think about this. I know that I
did say it earlier when we talked about this, Alan. But it isn’t just, you know one of the things that it said in
the bill, is that the States are not mandated, you know, to implement it. However, any state that doesn’t,
nobody in that state will be able to board a commercial airliner.
Alan: That’s right. The same in Canada, that was announced.
Jackie: That’s right. Well that’s because the federal government has control over the air transportation.
Alan: The powers of the air.
Jackie: But what I want, with the first thing that came to my mind are the federal highways, because the
States have been very, very busy turning their highways over to the federal government. And I talked to a
rep in Illinois about this, and he said, well, it’s because that way, they have to maintain them. And I said,
yeah, but they take all the taxes out of the states to “maintain them”. And he admitted that they use the
road taxes to blackmail the states into passing particular bills. But the point is, there are federal highways.
The main thoroughfares where people do their traveling are federal highways today. And if you don’t, and
this, they call the Real ID, Federal Identification. And it has to meet federal specs. And, so therefore, my
thought is, if you’re on one of those federal highways when this thing has been fully implemented, and you
don’t have a Real ID, you’re gone.
Alan: Yeah, or if your vehicle is not up to what they call federal standards, which are international standards.
Jackie: It will no longer be the state that makes those, well, they don’t much anyway, they’re all, but, I mean,
at least at the present time, it’s, how do you call it, if a state decided, like Alabama. It’s been some time, but
when the EPA mandated the MTBE to go in the gas, Alabama state legislature just passed a bill and said, no,
we’re not going to do it, and they didn’t. But see, the other states go along. Same thing in Arizona, when
they said that ozone is no longer usable. And for our listeners who may not know this, Dupont was the
company that produced ozone, and about three years before their 25-year patent ran out, that’s when they
began to talk about global warming, folks. And the hole in the ozone layer. And that we’ve got to quit using
this Freon, because Freon was doing it. Well, it was Dupont that patented the new coolant, which, there’s
reports on it, Alan, that it just tears heck out of the equipment. And it’s nowhere near as effective.
Alan: It is effective. It’s so much effective that it keeps breaking down. And they’re guaranteed after-sales
parts. That’s where the big profits are.
Jackie: Yeah, exactly. And much more expensive. But, Arizona, and I’ve got the bill, actual bill, the state of
Arizona, or Arizona state passed a law and said that we find that there is no harm from ozone from all of the,
there is no hole in the ozone layer, etc, etc. And so, in Arizona, we will manufacture and we will sell and we
will use ozone. Now, I don’t know if they’ve retracted it since then, but it was a bill, and I actually saw the
bill signed. I mean, I got an actual photocopy of the original bill. So, what I’m saying, long story short, is
that there were certain states that did certain things at certain times, and they got away with it, because they
could. But, with this real ID thing, they really got slick with it, didn’t they?
Alan: Well, all must become one.
Jackie: They didn’t have to, the states aren’t mandated to use it. They don’t have to. We can’t mandate to
the states.
Alan: Yeah, so all they do is the big companies say that it’s impossible to make a special different gasoline for
you, so, if we do, it’s going to cost you twice as much, and they cave in and they go along with it. You can’t
fight, you can’t fight the corporations. This is the system. It’s like Carroll Quigley said. The corporations will
be the new feudal overlords, and that’s what they are, you know. They’re dictating our public policies to the
people. And they’re doing it via governments, which they already own, and in fact, most of the politicians
have worked for these corporations, and then, when they leave politics, they go back into those corporations.
So, yeah, this is the ping-pong. They used to call it fascism at one time, but that’s gone out of vogue. But
it’s the same thing, you know. They dictate their policies to us, yeah.
Jackie: Well, like Rumsfeld was on the board of the Searle company that manufactured Aspartame.
Alan: That’s right. That was me that first came out with that.
Jackie: Well, they tried forever to get it through, and they knew it just wasn’t passing, it wasn’t being
approved, because how dangerous, and it’s a killer.
Alan: And he’s a director on the board of Searle. And he’s the guy also, Searle is just a part of the company
of Monsanto. And they are the ones, a company which is a drug manufacturer which specializes in
psychotropic drugs for psychiatric illness, is hand-in-glove with your main food producer, that should ring
alarms in everybody. It really should. And if it doesn’t, well, I’m sorry for those people.
Jackie: Monsanto. Searle?
Alan: Searle is part of Monsanto.
Jackie: Okay. And folks, in case you wanted to do some research…
(Commercial Break)
Jackie: Alright, we’re back with you folks, with Alan Watt. The volume was turned down a little bit, and I did
not hear the warning, so we were talking into the commercial. And what I was saying, in case any of you
want to do some research on this, Alan had told me about the company Searle, and I read it, and saw it,
regarding aspartame, and wasn’t pronouncing correctly, so I wasn’t connecting the dots. But that company is
spelled Searle. And as Alan just told us, it is part of the Monsanto Company. And Searle is a pharmaceutical,
Alan. Well, how did a pharmaceutical produce aspartame?
Alan: Well, aspartame is a chemical. And they’re all offshoots of the chemical industry, the pharmaceutical
industry, in fact, the whole pharmaceutical industry is an offshoot of the chemical companies. So, sure, what
they can’t use as drugs they’ll call something else and try and sell it for any other purpose, as they do with
the aluminum oxide that they put in as fluoride, you know. That was aluminum waste. So they found a
purpose for it through ALCAN, the Bronfmans in Canada, when they owned it. And that started the ball
rolling for nice strong healthy teeth, you know. So, sure, aspartame was basically some byproduct of some
experiments within Searle company. And, as I say, this company specializes in pharmaceutical drugs which
deal with psychiatric problems. And aspartame is a very good, in fact, it’s very similar to cocaine in a sense.
It makes the people hyper. And it can also cause seizures in a lot of people. So, once they come off this,
you’ll find that the hyperness goes away and so do the seizures. It’s a very potent drug.
Jackie: Oh, it causes cancer tumors, brain tumors, and all kinds of things. It’s totally destructive.
Alan: But Rumsfeld, he’s always been a main salesman for the big chemical companies. In fact, the CBC
television after 9/11 showed when the US was selling the various chemical weaponry to Iraq, back in the 70s,
it was Mr. Rumsfeld they showed you shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. He was over there to sell them
all these weapons. And when he’s not selling lethal weapons openly, he’s flogging other weaponry through
your food or your drink. This is what you have at the top of your government. We have tyrants at the
moment.
Jackie: What is your prime minister’s name?
Alan: Oh, at the moment, it’s Mr. Martin.
Jackie: I knew, I remembered the Paul. I couldn’t remember his last name.
Alan: And his father owned the main Canadian, they still call it the steamship company, that does
international cargo trading. So they made their money off governmental projects where the taxpayers paid
for cargoes of grain or food or whatever to other countries. All the boys at the top are interlinked through
the same very, very high Masonic organizations, way above, way above your 33 degrees.
Jackie: You know, Alan, I know, because we could just keep repeating and repeating and repeating, and it’s
coming to the point where people hear it, and if they don’t do their own research, if they don’t believe it, and
they don’t do their own research so they can see that it’s so, then it is too late. And this is way off topic, and
maybe it isn’t. I was talking to Amber today, and she was telling me that she made character council. This is
a twelve-year-old girl, okay. I said, well, what is character council? Well, we teach character. I said, are you
telling me that they have twelve-year-old children teaching character? I said, at twelve years old you’re
building your character. Don’t you think that’s a pretty big responsibility, honey? That you’re going to be
teaching other people character and what does it mean? And then she said, well, we just get together and
we plan dances and stuff. And I said, well, like student council? Yeah, it used to be student council, and now
it’s character council. So, I looked it up on the internet. It’s a damn international not-for-profit organization.
International, and they named all the states that are character states. They named the cities within the
states, the counties within the states, and they named the countries that are, that are….
Alan: Promoting it.
Jackie: Promoting it, Alan. Now, folks, let me say this. If you have children in school, by hook or by crook,
any way that you can, if you, it sounds stupid to say if you love your child, but isn’t that part of what loving
is, or the main thing when a child is a child, Alan, is protecting those children?
Alan: It’s supposed to be, yeah.
Jackie: And they have to be taken out of the schools, because, you’ll lose them, unless it doesn’t matter to
you. You will lose them. They will lose their minds, because their minds are being stolen. And I just wanted
to say this about that.
Alan: Well, see, you’re not going to stop this, because this all part of a….
Jackie: I didn’t say stopping it. I’m talking about people who are listening to this broadcast right now, Alan.
Alan: Yeah, but what I’m trying to say, Jackie, is that people have been saying the same thing for a hundred
years. Because when Bertrand Russell brought his first book out on this very subject, he was part of the
experimenters for these schools. And he brought it out in 1905. Of course, the media went into action.
There were still some people who had a voice in those days, and they said the same thing, that this was an
attempt, it was more than an attempt, it was a plan. And Bertrand Russell said it, he said, if we can get the
children for even four hours a day, he said, away from their parents in kindergarten, he said, we can
indoctrinate them with the new values for the world. And he said the parental input will be of no effect,
because we are using scientific, socialistic, indoctrination techniques. So this was known for a hundred years.
And people have been bashing at this for a hundred years. And then, at the same time, you know yourself
that most people are so dependent on this only system that they’ve been given – there’s no alternative to it –
that they either can’t afford private schooling, or they’re run off their feet trying just to pay their home and
their car and all the rest of it. So they’re trapped within the system. And the law says you must send your
child to school, one way or another.
Jackie: No, the law does not say that.
Alan: Well, teach them, regardless. But the fact is, you know that they’ve made it almost impossible for the
average person to teach themselves, teach the children themselves. So, you’re up against a monster that
goes over the future like generals over a battle plan. And they look at all the possible conflicts, the
repercussions, and they literally plug every hole. And that’s where we are with this.
Jackie: No child left behind.
Alan: In the Communist system, in the Soviet system, the whole Soviet Bolshevik system was planned at least
a hundred years before they took over, because they knew exactly how to set up the system they had in
mind. There was no debating about it. They went into action immediately. And they had children in the
Young Communist movement doing exactly the same thing, and that was going around the schools and so
on, twelve year olds, ones who were specially hand-picked, and it was just political correctness. It was the
new agenda of the day. And they were basically parroting what they’d been told. They had little gold stars
or red stars for saying the right things, and of course, that was being promoted. You can call it whatever you
want, it’s the same program. It’s the same program, under a thousand names. So, you’re under attack from
a thousand directions right now. And your eyes cannot be everywhere at once. And that’s what I’m saying.
That’s where we are right now, in the whirlpool. And you can’t even keep up with what’s happening.
Jackie: I know.
Alan: So, the international system has been established, you know. It’s actually been here for a long time.
And they simply kept the borders there and the pretense of nations, so they could keep taxing you. That’s
basically it. And the US is simply finishing off the last vestige of a different type of system in the Middle East.
And once that’s done, well the British Israel and the Identity movements and all the other gofers will have no
jobs to do. They’ll be equal down to the peasant of China. That’s where they’ll be.
Jackie: Oh, the peasants of China are doing well today.
Alan: Yeah, because now the new catchphrase they’re using on the media is that gee, we must compete with
China. Well, that’s a race to the bottom. And that’s what’s being promoted right now. And anybody with any
part of gray matter left in their brains that still has a spark in it, must know that if we try and compete with
labor in China, our standard of living is obviously going to plummet. And that’s exactly what is planned.
That’s exactly what is planned.
Jackie: China, I read about a magnificent, whatever we would call it, where the elite go to vacation now. And
when I read that, it gave me chills, because you can see how China is being promoted to be, what? I just
guess the destroyer?
Alan: Well, they have to, according to the 1937 minutes of the meetings they held in Melbourne, Australia, for
the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the CFR, and I have their books. They said, in 1937, China
would be the sole manufacturer of all goods for the planet. And when they said that, China was a third world
nation. That’s how far back they had this planned for China. They even talked about the coming war with
Germany, and that they must save the Soviet system by all costs. They didn’t explain why. Escott Reid from
Toronto, who helped draw up the charter for the UN with Alger Hiss, the Communist, so this Canadian, Escott
Reid, put his own memoirs out. And I have the book from 1937, where his kin even said, we are here to
discuss a global system, a World Government. This was all discussed in 1937, in Melbourne, Australia. And I
have a list of all the politicians from America, from the US, from Canada, from all over the world who
attended it, because their names are all in the back of the book. We are simply living through a script written
long, long ago. And in that same book, in the 1937 one, they even had the immigration quotas from China,
right up until the year 2000 and just after, that they would need to be the middlemen for the trade goods, for
smoothing out the trade difficulties between China and North America. They had the quotas of immigrants
they would need, for the West Coast of Canada, like Vancouver. So, that’s how detailed they make their
plans. And when you find this stuff, and you go through, and you check up what they’ve done, they tally
exactly. They know exactly where. The world is just one big business program. That’s all it is. It’s a
business agenda, and we are the business. The business means buzz. We are the bees, you know. And of
course, that’s what we’re here for.
Jackie: We are the economic units.
Alan: Yeah. We’re living a script, a business plan, and we’re going through it. And, as we go through the
Age of Chaos, which they said they’d bring on, there’s no better way than to bring all of this, this whole brand
new way of living that will emerge out of the other side. That’s what they keep telling us. A completely
different way of living, as they bring us into the vortex, and to bring us through it, or the ones who will come
through it, they have everybody fighting everybody else on petty nonsense from a previous age. This has
been done before. And they’re doing exactly the same thing again. The intellects way above the politicians
are way beyond people that you’ve met in your daily life. These are real intellects here. We can’t dismiss
that. These are not politicians above the ones that we generally see. These are the rulers. And these people
have minds almost like computers. And they have no compassion, whatsoever. And I mean no compassion
on an individual or even a national or even a global scale. They will do whatever it takes, as they keep telling
us, the end justifies the means. In other words, if they need part of this agenda rushed through, they’ll do
whatever it takes to make it so. And the Twin Towers was nothing to them. These are the same characters
that brought on Pearl Harbor and World War II.
Jackie: And sunk the Maine.
Alan: Yeah. And meanwhile, everybody is fighting everybody else over religion, or the race issue, and all the
other stuff that they know so well. They’re old tunes they can keep playing over and over. And everyone has
been programmed to dance to these tunes when it plays, and they do. And they can’t see beyond it all. And
this is the time now when you must see beyond it all, if there’s going to be any survival for anybody at all.
Because we’re going through it.
Jackie: What about people, well, look at even with yourself, Alan, as you were talking about last night. You’re
not sure you’re even going to be able to survive the winter.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: And there are people, so you’re not in the city. But, of course, they’re making it nearly impossible for
people to live in the country, because of the increase in gas.
Alan: And taxes.
Jackie: To get you to the store. The property taxes are increasing.
Alan: Environmental laws.
Jackie: Well, yes. And it goes on and on. And then we have people who are in the cities and do not have the
means to leave the cities, as much as they would desire and want to do it. So, you know, it comes back
down to making the time, to be like parents with their families, Alan. With their families. They have to work.
They have to work to be able to pay the bills. But, instead, maybe, of parents sloughing the children off to a
babysitter, so they can go. Maybe the most important thing that people can do today is to be together, and
really, just cherish the time, every precious moment, and give to your children, not $80 tennis shoes and trips
to Six Flags and Disney World, because that isn’t really what children want anyway, Alan.
Alan: No, that’s what the system wants.
Jackie: That isn’t what they want at all. They want their parents to look at them and see them. They want
their parents to hear them when they talk. Not just listen, but really hear them.
Alan: Well, what they need is direction. And children who don’t get direction from their parents will take it as
they did in the Communist system, in the Young Communist movement. They’ll take it from the leaders. The
Hitler Youth were the same, because children need direction. And if they can’t get it from their parents, the
state or the system will give it to them instead. That’s traditional. That’s been used for thousands of years.
Again, it’s another tune, and they know how to play it, and we know how to dance.
Jackie: Well, you mentioned Bertrand Russell. And I’ve done this before, but I’ll do it again. The statement
that he made, he was a, maybe still is, I don’t know, but at this time a UNESCO advisor. He said, “it may be
hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything, if he can catch the patient young,
and is provided by the state with money and equipment.”
Alan: Well, the two main books, and anybody who wants them and can read it all today, apart from a glowing
tube in front of their face, they can order them. And it’s Roads to Freedom, is the one book, that gives you
the global agenda with adults and children, and Education and the Good Life, is the one about the whole
education program that they have used right up until the present time. And that’s got it all in there. All of it.
Jackie: Well, there’s one more sentence here that I want to do, for our listeners. He said, when the
technique has been perfected, every government that has been in control of education for a generation will
be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.
Alan: Yeah, once you all have a brain chip, there’s no problem. I mean, that’s what the function of all this is.
Jackie: Roads to Freedom and Education and the Good Life.
Alan: Yeah, the whole scientific technique. He put out another book, it was on science, basically, and he laid
the whole thing down, to do with scientific techniques, including the same stuff as Aldous Huxley was on
about, the brain chip and so on, and how they could use all this to control everybody. And once that
happened, the people had no individuality in them, then they’d have their utopia. But they, the elite
themselves, would not change themselves. That’s what they said, because they must retain their survival
capabilities, but the public won’t need them anymore, since the state will be making all their decisions for
them.
Jackie: What do you say to a person who calls you and says, I’m not sure what to do, I’m beginning to see
the light and it’s very frightening. What do you say to them, Alan?
Alan: It depends who they are.
Jackie: Well, okay. What would you say to me?
Alan: Again, it’s not something you sum up in a couple of minutes. You go through the whole person. You’ve
got to get the persona and the person. You’ve got to break down all the different parts of that person, and
then give a response that’s suitable to that individual person. You can’t give the same talk to every individual.
You must tailor-make truth to jump over the hurdles that that person has in their particular individual mind.
And everyone has a different response to things, and they have different hurdles or walls in their mind, so
you must literally tailor-make it for the individual, so that they can jump those walls themselves. And it must
be done by themselves. You can show them how, but it must be done by them. That’s why it takes a lot of
work for every single one. But I should mention the three books before we go off the air. They’re called
Cutting Through 1, 2, & 3. And I go through the ancient Freemasonry system, prior to the guild movements
of the Middle Ages, and right up to the present day. I give you a lot of the Masonic coding that’s used. It’s
all through your language; in fact they created your language for you. And the third one goes through the
history of this, as well as the history of the money system which they brought in thousands of years ago, and
how they used it to implement their system, which they call civilization. That’s what they mean by it. It’s
their system. And how they control nations one by one, through takeovers, financial or through using
warfare. [See ordering information on transcript.] But that’s what I’m saying. You can’t just give a pat
answer for a mass of people, because everyone has their own particular walls and variations of them, in their
mind. And you have to literally go through dozens of them with each one. And you must be able to see into
that person, in order to do so. And that takes a lot of work.
Jackie: And you’ve done that with people?
Alan: Yes, and as I say, it’s a lot of work. And it can take years sometimes, on a one to one basis with many,
many different people, but individually, one on one, to get them right up and out of it.
Jackie: And then what happens when they get out of it, Alan?
Alan: Then it’s a whole new journey from there on. And again, you don’t hand that truth to everybody either.
You just don’t hand out truth. Most people can’t handle the truth. Some things are very, very, very precious.
And most people are so stuck in what they want themselves that they can’t handle the truth. And that’s what
they mean, they trample it underfoot, because they don’t see it for what it is. So you don’t hand it to them
until they’re ready for it.
Jackie: Well, we’ve sure been doing enough of it.
Alan: We’ve done an awful lot. More so, I’d say, than any other program. And we certainly don’t do it as a
business. That’s for sure.
Jackie: That’s for sure. And folks, we’re out of our week.
August 15th, 2005
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.
Tonight is Monday, and it is the 15th of August, in the year 2005. And I’m glad that you’re with us tonight.
I hope you had a lovely weekend, ladies and gentlemen. Actually, it’s more than a weekend now, isn’t it?
You get, I get, we get, from Thursday until Monday, or we have until from Thursday until Monday. So, three
nights a week, and it is a possibility that we’re going to be cutting back to two nights a week. I don’t know
if, I don’t know if it is for the broadcast.
[Technical difficulties at radio station]
I’ll tell you what. For our internet listeners, if you would just begin, and I can take another phone line, and
call WWCR and see what’s up.
Alan: Oh, okay.
Jackie: Okay, thank you. This is Alan Watt, folks.
Alan: Yep, once again, we’ve got a mix up at the shortwave station, where they’re playing another
broadcaster’s tape. We don’t know why, maybe it’s God intervening, who knows, because that’s what he
goes on about is Old Jehovah and how the British are really the Jews, you see. But what I should say, to
start off today, is that I have three books for sale, because I’m filling in for Jackie, while she straightens out
the short wave station. And these books go through Freemasonry, from ancient times, not just from the
usual guilds they talk about in the Middle Ages, because the secret brotherhoods have been here as long as
money has been here, in all of its different forms. And I also go through how the money boys took over
even the ancient world, and how they created nations, and had wars going on between them, while they
profited from loaning to all the countries, which they’d helped to create, and they sold them all the
weaponry, too. No different from today. And how they benefited from keeping the people in debt, which
ensured that they kept running the system. No different at all from today. [See ordering information on
transcript.] And I’ll get them out to you as soon as I can.
Now, I don’t know what’s happening with the short wave station, but that’s the second time that Pastor
Pete, with his British Israel, has been on, when we should be on. And I think, yeah, he’s still on the
shortwave. So I guess there’s a debate going on whether they should flick the switch or not, but we’ll find
out pretty soon.
Jackie: Nicholas, if you’re available, would you please come on the line. I had a call from one of our
listeners. I gave her four numbers that I have, to call, to possibly get a hold of somebody at WWCR. But if
Nicholas, if you’re listening, if you would please come on the line with us, if you would please get a hold of
them, and let them know that they’re doing it again. Alan, my, my. Well, we do have internet listeners right
now, so we’re not going to act like we’re not on the air at all. But this appears to me to be intentional.
Alan: Well, Pastor Peters last week boasted that he now has 400 hours with WWCR, so I guess the muscle
has been put into motion.
Jackie: The muscle has been put into motion. I just want you to know that I don’t know how it is for our
listeners, but your volume is down so low I can barely hear you. I can hear you, but I can barely hear you.
Alan: Yeah, you’re down. You’re down too.
Jackie: Am I? Okay. Nicholas, WFAR, Nicholas, if you’re there, will you please come on the line here and let
me know if you can get a hold of WWCR. One of our listeners called in, as I told you, and she’s trying the
numbers that I would have been trying, Alan.
[Technical difficulties at radio station]
Jackie: Well, there we are folks. Well, now we just talked to an engineer at WWCR, and what he’s saying is,
is that the satellite feed that they’re getting is really great. So I’m hoping that you can hear us tonight,
ladies and gentlemen. What I’m going to do, and I will do this tomorrow night, is have a number for you to
call. If you’re listening on shortwave, and the program before you is good, and the one after you is good,
and this one is not, it would be time for you to call WWCR and see if you can find out what the problem is,
because what we’ve discovered is that sometimes people go, if you have a shortwave radio that can go from
5.070 up to 072, 073, 074, sometimes, they catch it clearly almost at 5.075 or below. But if you’re not
getting it in good, then tune it down or tune it up, so that you can hear it. Because, what’s happening folks,
according to the letters that I get from our listeners, you can hear us. And I understand, if you can’t hear
the broadcast. Those of you who have hung in here, through thick and thin, you’re to be so deeply
commended, that you’re still here, because it’s a wonder, it’s a miracle that we haven’t lost all of our
listeners. Alan, Alan Watt is with us tonight. And Melody said that your volume is very low.
Alan: So is yours. When you’re on the phone here with me, I can hardly hear you at all.
Jackie: Yeah, well, evidently, the volume was low coming into WWCR, and I don’t know how it is. If Eleanor
is listening, Eleanor White. Eleanor is a, she monitors for us, and lets us know, because sometimes when
your volume is low to me, in my headset, Eleanor calls in, and says, don’t worry about it, Alan is coming in
loud and clear. But Melody said tonight, from WFAR that your volume was low. (Phone rings) Oh, here we
go. Hi, you’re on the air. Thanks for calling.
Caller: Hey, I can hear you, and Alan sounds real good.
Jackie: Oh, thanks, Mel.
Caller: Okay, alright.
Jackie: Okay, bye, honey.
Alan: Now, we can’t hear each other.
Jackie: Yeah, we can’t hear each other, but they can hear us.
Alan: But I know on the shortwave, there’s over-modulation there, because your voice is muffled on the
shortwave.
Jackie: Right now? My voice is muffled?
Alan: Yeah, it’s not as clear as it should be. In fact, I tuned up to 5074, and it was clearer there.
Jackie: At 5074. Well, then, we would ask Jason, I guess, who is our engineer tonight, to please make a
check, Jason, and if we’re over-modulating here, do what needs to be done. Because I’m not overmodulating,
Alan. If they’re getting it crisp and clear from the satellite, which is where we’re broadcasting
from, if the shortwave is over-modulated, once again, it’s coming from WWCR.
Alan: Well, that’s that old Wicker Man up to his tricks.
[Technical difficulties at radio station]
Alan: I can hear you now, you’re clear on my phone.
Jackie: Okay, well, that’s good. Thank you, whoever is responsible.
Alan: That’s because I said we should join the British Israel Movement.
Jackie: The British Israel Movement. That would probably be our…
Alan: Then God’s on our side, you see.
Jackie: That would, oh, then God’s on our side. Yahweh is on our side.
Alan: The big boss.
Jackie: You know what, okay, what I was going to say, when we came on the air tonight, is that it has
become more than that you’re a guest on this broadcast. It’s as though you’ve become a co-host here, Alan.
And, folks, the reason, well, it’s not that I have to give a reason, but I ask Alan to come on. We get into
conversations. And for those of you, and I know there are many of you who so appreciate the information
that we have received from Alan and the broadcasts that Alan and I have done together, because my
questions, evidently, are important to you, which is what I get from my correspondence from you, that our
interchange has been very much of an opening for many of you. And so, therefore, Alan is with us again,
tonight. And I appreciate it very much. And Alan, thank you for being here.
Alan: It’s a pleasure, when we can be heard.
Jackie: When we can be heard. When I can hear you.
Alan: Maybe it’s a gimmick to make people listen more intently.
Jackie: Well, I’ll tell you what. I want to say again what I said at the beginning of the broadcast. Well, you
see, our sponsorship has dropped off. However, I know that our listenership has dropped off. Because,
even the people who send donations for sponsoring the broadcast tell me the frustration that they
experience. I was talking to a gentleman from Michigan, recently. He said he was outside working, I think
working on his boat or something. He had the broadcast on prior to Sweet Liberty. He said it was crystal
clear. And then, Sweet Liberty came on, and there was very little of it that he could pick up, and right after
Sweet Liberty it cleared up again. And the best suggestion that I had for him, was to call WWCR, because,
I’ve tried. And I get angry response from management. I’ve had the phone hung up on my ear. In fact,
one time the phone was hung up, I called back, because I thought it was rude, so rude. Sometimes I just
ignore it, but I wanted to speak with him, and then I was told that he was taking a walk. And the person
that I talked to, I said, I just had the phone hung up on me, and I would like to finish this conversation.
And, Alan, what I’m told is this. If you don’t like it, if you think that we are sabotaging the broadcast, go
someplace else.
Alan: Well that’s a Christian message.
Jackie: It’s a Christian message, yes.
Alan: Well, sure. I mean, it’s a business. And all media is propaganda, I don’t care who runs it. Because an
all-seeing eye did not miss a hole in its net, you know, and it never did. And the CIA started up the
shortwave back in the 50s, using Christian radio, and I doubt they’ve ever let it go, especially nowadays,
because they need it. They need the confusion, to keep this age of chaos running along, you know. Now,
of course, they have their superstars, because the public have been trained to look for superstars, like the
general television, your Doctor Phil or Oprah, or whatever, and Albert Pike said we always give the people
their leaders, so they must present superstars, who are professional talkers. And of course, they have staff
there to help them with their spiel, as they say. And of course, it’s a Wizard of Oz type thing, where, behind
the curtain, there’s a little guy making all this noise. But behind the little guy, you’ve got a whole staff of
people punching up things on his screens, where he sounds terribly informed.
Jackie: You know what? This is, I think, in fact, I know what I wanted us to discuss tonight, but, because
you explained it, you explained it more in depth to me, because when you first mentioned it, I didn’t get
what you were saying, but you went through the process. Would you do that, Alan? For example, you
know, we don’t have to name names, but, let’s say a broadcaster, when people call in, no matter what
they’re talking about, the broadcaster seems to have in-depth information about it, as they know everything
about everything.
Alan: Well, it’s history, because in every century, they give you heroes to follow. They always call them
geniuses. And they give you ridiculous stories about them, be they composers or scientists or whatever. But
they make up these.
Jackie: Alan, can you hold just for one moment. We have a call coming in. Hello?
Caller: Oh, hello. I just wanted to let you know that here in the upper peninsula of Michigan, I listen to you
every time you’re on, and it is over-modulated or something, all the time.
Jackie: All the time.
Caller: Maybe one time was very clear.
Jackie: Over-modulated, and it isn’t over-modulated coming in.
Caller: It sounds like you’re talking in a pillowcase.
Jackie: In other words, what, I want our listeners, if they can hear me, to hear this. Because we were told
by Jason, the engineer, at WWCR, that the feed that they were getting from the satellite was very crisp and
very clear. And so, what our shortwave listeners are getting, from the shortwave station, is overmodulation.
Alan: You’re plus-forty here, that’s the end of the scale.
Caller: And my shortwave is 5070.
Jackie: Okay, thank you so much. Please don’t go away, honey, okay.
Caller: Oh, no. I love your, whatever you’re talking about.
Jackie: Thank you. Who are we talking to?
Caller: Mary Jane in upper Michigan.
Jackie: Do you know that I’m a Michigander? Yes?
Caller: I do.
Jackie: Oh. From Flint, Michigan.
Caller: Oh, that’s way down there. I’m way up.
Jackie: Yes. My summers were spent up at Bear Lake, near Grayling.
Caller: Oh, okay. I’m way over up, Lake Superior, up in the upper peninsula, over Lake Michigan, over the
Mackinaw straits.
Jackie: Thanks for listening, honey. Thank you for calling. Bye-bye. Okay, Alan, now. You know, I’m not a,
what do you call, technician, but it makes sense to me that if the satellite feed coming from WFAR is crisp
and clear, and if the reception that our shortwave listeners are getting is over-modulation, it makes sense
that it has to be coming from the shortwave transmitter.
Alan: Well, yeah. Sure. And plus-forty, that’s the end of the scale. It’s right on the right-hand side. You
can’t go any further with the signal strength. It’s over-modulated.
Jackie: Oh, you’ve got. You’re monitoring it there? Alright, folks.
Alan: That’s as high as it goes.
Jackie: We’re going to be back. Alan, we’re at the half hour here. We’ll be back right after this. Folks, don’t
go away. Alan, maybe they can hear you. If they can’t understand. Why would I be over-modulated and
not you?
(Commercial Break)
Jackie: Alan is with us, Alan Watt, and from what I’m gathering, our listeners, Alan, would you explain once
again what you said, why it is that you wouldn’t be over-modulated, but I am? And I want our listeners to
know, by the way, that you and I are, what should I say, we’re both on the same phone line. Folks, Alan
calls me. And then I conference us in together. So, he’s not calling from another phone. He’s not calling
from a separate phone line into the station. And if it is coming in loud and clear from the satellite, it would
follow that our shortwave listeners should be getting loud and clear from both Alan and I. And would you
explain what you said, how that could happen, Alan?
Alan: Yes. Every studio, whether it’s a radio or a music studio, has graphic equalizers.
Jackie: And you were in the music industry or business.
Alan: Yeah, years ago.
Jackie: So, you know what you’re talking about.
Alan: And when you want to phase out a particular tone, or a pitch, say, or bring it up, even, you can do
either, just by adjusting the slides, and you have a whole battery of slides, sometimes 48 of them, and you
can literally phase out any instrument or vocal sound, or any singer in a choir, with a different voice. You
can phase them in, or phase them out. And of course, male and female being different, it’s much easier to
adjust that way.
Jackie: So, let me ask you this. It doesn’t mean that there’s somebody sitting there working at these slides,
but if they just get their frequencies or whatever tuned into my voice, they can literally obliterate it.
Alan: Or, once again, boost it to such an extent that it would become muffled. They can boost it. They can
actually bring it up, as well, and make it muffled. You know, any sound can be distorted by overamplification
or modulation. So you can do the same thing with a graphic equalizer. You can literally bring
any sound up, as well as down, you can bring it up and over-modulate it, until it’s distorted.
Jackie: So, let me ask you this. If I could talk higher or lower, would that foil the?
Alan: No, because you’re still within a certain frequency range, as opposed to me. Mine would be different.
I mean, I’ve seen it done with orchestras, where you can bring in a violin, just by sliding the switch, or you
can phase it out, or you can bring up, say a trombone, even. So you can, there’s a whole range of spectrum
with sound. So they also do that. They use similar equipment for spying on people at long ranges with
boom microphones. And they can literally phase out the surrounding nose from cars and automobiles and
buses and things.
Jackie: I’ve seen that on movies a long time ago.
Alan: Yeah. This is old technology.
Jackie: We have a caller here. Hi, you’re on the air.
Caller: Hi Jackie. This is Kate. I called WWCR and talked to Jason. And I said, are you trying to sabotage
Jackie? And he said, oh, no, we wouldn’t do that. But, as I’ve been listening to you, week after week, you
are very muffled. And I think Alan has a point there. And I don’t know what the reason is, other than Alan
brought out another good point, that we have superstars on the shortwave, that to me have taken over, and
I feel like I have no free speech.
Jackie: And you have no free listening, Kate.
Caller: No, but all of a sudden, we are religious? Is this the main theme of the shortwave, to lead you into
the abyss of religious propaganda?
Alan: That’s pretty well it.
Caller: I resent that. There’s too many horrible things out there, that we should have freedom of speech.
And I’ve noticed that on other programs, certain people are jammed constantly until the King comes on. So,
I don’t know where we go from here.
Jackie: Well, who is the king, honey?
Caller: You don’t know who the king of shortwave is? We’ve got a king and queen.
Jackie: Well, I don’t know who you’re talking about, would you tell me?
Caller: Well, we have Miss Nightingale, right?
Jackie: I don’t know who Miss Nightingale is.
Caller: Florence Nightingale.
Jackie: It’s okay, Kate. Until we’re off the air, we have freedom of speech here, so just say what you’re…
Alan: Well, the listeners do.
Caller: Well, you know, the continuation of Joyce Reilly….Pastor Stair, and Mr. Pete Peters. You see?
Jackie: And they all come in very clear?
Caller: Oh, yes.
Jackie: Alright, thank you.
Caller: If we can’t express what we feel, we the people, and we have to adhere to the kings, and especially
Georgina, you know, Bush.
Jackie: Thanks, Kate.
Alan: Well that’s how it is. They know, you see, they’ve trained the public. And let’s be honest. Everybody
has been brought up in an artificial system, and yet, we’ve taken it all for granted as being normal, simply
because everyone else thinks it’s normal. But there’s nothing normal in it. It’s a designed system,
scientifically designed, as Charles Galton Darwin said, in The Next Million Years, he said, we’re just creating a
more sophisticated form of slavery. And they’ve trained the public since television was invented, to go for
the superstars. You follow your stars, the wandering stars. They’ve used the same expression back in
ancient Greece, when they brought in the traveling players that gave them their culture, and changed their
culture, with the authority, of course, of the elite. And it hasn’t changed until today. So they bring out these
people in every, every generation to lead the people around in circles and take over as the main voice, and
say that they’re fighting the New World Order on their own, single handed, in between making movies and
going to the gym and being on countless radio stations and television stations every day, I mean, “that’s a
super-man, and I want to follow him,” you see, “and I couldn’t do that.”
Jackie: I was looking at a bio of one of the kings that Kate was talking about. He’s been evidently
mentioned in the Wall Street Journal. He’s been on CNBC or ABC, it’s what you’re saying, Alan, is when we
see these people mentioned on mainstream.
Alan: It makes it more legitimate in our minds.
Jackie: We had better damn know that they’re part of the program.
Alan: Well, of course, absolutely. That’s why they were thrust out in front for the people to follow. And
they’ve done this over and over. They always give us the superstars, whether it’s Oprah Winfrey on regular
media or Dr. Phil that tells us how to behave, or one on shortwave. It’s the same technique. It’s by the
same people at the top. And, as I say, they always give you someone who’s been trained to do exactly what
they’re doing, and I should also say, that the purpose of psychological warfare, which is counter-intelligence,
by the way. Psychological warfare has an intent, and the intent is to overwhelm the public, or the enemy –
and which the public, they are the enemy, you see – with so much negative, terrifying information, in a
machine-gun fashion, or a shotgun fashion, they scatter it at you, until you can’t duck out of the way
anymore. And when that’s all you see coming at you, all you do eventually is mentally collapse, because,
what they’re telling you is, this system is so awesome and powerful, and King Kong is growing three miles a
day above you, that there’s nothing you can do about it. And that’s the purpose of psychological warfare.
Jackie: Alan, would you compare that, to what you just said, to what you and I have discussed on the air?
Because sometimes…
Alan: I’ll cut to the chase here.
Jackie: Please do, please do.
Alan: Because, what it is, the difference is, that you see, people go into shortwave looking for an alternate
view on things, alternate information. And so they tune out the regular media. Now, when you start to get
people reading the AP Wires, and what’s on the regular media, and even giving you more than you get on
the regular media, they’re doing a better job than the regular media. So, rather than get away from it,
they’re actually giving you more of it. It’s a day-by-day blow of what’s been done to you. And that’s its
purpose. That is its technique. They read the AP Wires and Reuters stuff, and international stuff. And now,
people obviously in the staff are pushing this up on his boards, so he can parrot it off.
Jackie: You know what. You were talking about that, and we had to take our break. But you took me
behind the scenes in a conversation that we had. And then I saw it. Would you continue what you were
explaining. Explain this to our listeners. In other words, well, what I remembered you saying, is that
somebody calls in, and they say, okay, what are you calling about, and the people say what they’re calling
about. Or there’s a particular conversation going on, and there are people, a team, that do a search, bring
up information, put it on the screen for the broadcaster, and that broadcaster….
Alan: Sounds like a genius. He’s got all facts and figures. He can throw dates, names, times out at you.
And of course, the person, the people who are listening say, “my God, I couldn’t keep up with all this. This
guy is a genius.” And what we do, you see, if we think someone is a genius, is we put our own discernment
to the side and we parrot them, we follow them. That’s how you create a leader, you see, behind the
scenes. That’s how you do it. This is an old technique. And it’s being used today.
Jackie: Isn’t Noel, you know, he’s very, because he’s got that different accent, but doesn’t he do kind of the
same thing?
Alan: Well, his whole business is selling gold and silver and so on. Now, from Rhodesia, who created
Rhodesia? Cecil Rhodes created Rhodesia. And he was sent there by the Rothschilds, to take over the
diamonds and the gold and silver of Africa. And who comes out of Rhodesia, amongst all the real, genuine
people, who got thrown out of there, were the gold merchants. And here they are flogging the same stuff
here, under the pretense that you’ll need this to survive. And I can tell you, if you have to try and trade
gold, even today, in a hurry, go and try it, and see how fast you can sell your gold or silver. Because you’ll
have a hard time doing it. It’s a con game. And their technique is always to throw all the fear at you, of
what’s coming. I noticed too, there’s a doctor going all around the place, all the shortwave stations, giving
this spiel about the coming avian flu. And after terrifying the listeners for half an hour, then they come out
with the solution. And the solution is, the doctor has all these antidotes and herbs and stuff that you can
take for it, so if you send to his company, he’ll send them to you. And they split the loot. That’s how the
whole thing works. It’s fear-based techniques selling. You see, every ad is fear based. Every single ad.
They couldn’t make a market outside of the shortwave fear-based radio, because the people are all asleep.
So, what do you do? You make the market. You go where the market is, and people are terrified on
shortwave because of the traditional hype, and they sell all the products they can’t sell anywhere else.
That’s how it’s done. It’s like the back pages of magazines, you know, where they sell all this stuff about
your balding hair and just splash this stuff on and it grows back, and you don’t need Viagra anymore, you
know. It’s the same rubbish, that stays always hidden in the back pages of cheap magazines. It’s the same
stuff that’s sold on the shortwave. It’s the same old. It’s all fear-based selling, and you’re listening to an
hour of advertising, and you think it’s a show. You think it’s a show.
Jackie: It is a show, Alan.
Alan: Yeah. They think it’s informative.
Jackie: It is a show. That’s why we don’t call Sweet Liberty a show.
Alan: I mean, if I wanted to and I was a real crook, I could do the same as certain; yeah, Miss Nightingale is
a good term. Mind you, old Flo Nightingale in the history books was labeled as a psychopath. The real
Florence Nightingale was labeled as a hysterical psychopath, you know. Because she used to get hysterical
blindness and have tantrums and seizures if she didn’t get her way.
Jackie: And who was Florence Nightingale? Was she the nurse?
Alan: No, she wasn’t a nurse. No. She was from an aristocratic family.
Jackie: But who were we told she was?
Alan: Oh, the lady with the lamp, you know, on the occasional visit round the hospitals, which they had to
set up, because all these British were coming back from all these wars with no limbs. And they were dumped
on the street where they died with infections and so on. So, it was a sort of cover, where the British
government put out a pittance to set up field hospitals for the first time. Before that they didn’t bother
because you could always recruit more peasants. But it was becoming so highly visible with the British
Empire taking all the countries over, that there was a massive fallout dumped on the streets of Bristol and all
the other ports where they were discarded. And there was no pension, either, for these soldiers, so they
just lay there and rotted and died. So they brought up a few hospitals, stuck old Flo at the top of it, and
made up a myth about her being so compassionate and all the rest of it, you know. That’s the reality. But
getting back to what I’m saying. The one on the shortwave. If I wanted to be like that, and make a killing
on money, I’ve got lots of clay around here. I’ve got lakes all over the place. And you could probably eat
this clay as well, because they’re selling it on that show, you know. And this thing will literally, will literally
cure you of every disease, you know. It will suck every toxin out of your body. It will grow your hair back.
And men will get erections, and women will get back their monthly cycle. So, I mean, it’s just a wonderful
thing. So, I could do all that rubbish if I was a con man, but I’m not, you see. I’m not. But that’s what
feeds, unfortunately, the shortwave business.
Jackie: Well, obviously, I’m not either, Alan.
Alan: Yeah. It’s a business.
Jackie: You should say, we’re not.
Alan: I mean, what person, apart from psychopathic people, can take advantage of terror and fear, use it for
their spiel before they go and sell you their stuff, after terrifying the life out of you? “Oh, but here’s the
antidote.” But they do it every day. Every day. And because the public think they’re being informed a little
bit, no you’re not, you’re being conned. You’re being conned all the time, over and over. And, you see,
there’s so much money to be made in misery. That’s the health profession….
Jackie: Misery and fear.
Alan: Especially misery. Because people in pain, and I know what I’m talking about, because I’m in it. But
they’ll generally spend their last penny, that they don’t even have, on some bag of grass or something that
they chew, that’s supposed to have miracle cures, simply because the propaganda says so, you know. You’ll
do anything to get rid of pain, and when traditional medicine fails you, yeah, you’ll go through all this
massive array of shark cartilage and all the rest of the rubbish they sell out there. And there’s been
millionaires made off the shortwave from selling all this stuff. And for five years they’ll try the shark
cartilage, and then they’ll jump to the next thing, and then the next thing, and then the next thing, because
every five years they’ve got a whole bunch of new listeners.
Jackie: Yeah, you don’t hear anything about shark cartilage anymore.
Alan: No. Well, you know the reason why they were flogging the shark cartilage for arthritis? Do you know
the reason for it?
Jackie: Because they found that sharks never got arthritis?
Alan: Sharks don’t have skeletons.
Jackie: No, but is that why they were saying it?
Alan: They said they don’t get arthritis, because they don’t have any skeletons. They have no bones.
They’re all cartilage. That’s why they don’t get arthritis, but they didn’t tell the public that. And they took
millions from the suckers who fed into all this stuff.
Jackie: Well, and to call them suckers.
Alan: It’s suckers, because….
Jackie: I know, Alan, but…
Alan: And you have to admit when you’ve been one. If you don’t admit it, you’ll do it again with the next
con that comes along. And there’s lots of them out there. There’s lots and lots and lots of these cons out
there. And these people make a fortune. We’re a world of schmucks, you see. We’ve all been trained to be
schmucks, and listen to the professional people. I’ve had two professions, and qualified in one, and that was
medicine, and I walked out of it, when I saw the corruption in it. I would not do it. I will not do anything
that’s corrupt. But if I was, you know, a man of the world, or joined the Freemasons, and they would say,
well, look, you’ve got to take advantage of the profane, those that are unenlightened. Yeah, I could have
done that, but it’s not my nature.
August 16th, 2005
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
Jackie: … I wanted to let our listeners know, Alan, I don’t know if you’ve been hearing this or not, but that
Bush and Cheney and his gang have been indicted by a grand jury in Chicago. Well, that’s not the truth.
Alan: No. I’m not surprised. All these rumors that go around all the time, it’s just distraction.
Jackie: Right, well, this, I believe there is a grand jury sitting in Chicago, and it has something to do with
Daly, the Mayor. But I’ve gotten two or three or four of them on the internet, and I received one today, and
this woman said, this is a hoax. It isn’t true. Because she had called, and wanted to know when they were
going to make the announcement, and they said, there has been no indictment, because there’s been no
grand jury sitting for that purpose. And I got one just before we went on air, and evidently, one of the
superstars interviewed, oh, I know who it was, Tom Flocko, today. And they said it was confirmed, that you
could take it to the bank, basically, that this grand jury in Chicago had indicted Bush and Cheney and the
gang. And so, I wanted our listeners to know, that the information I’ve got, is that that is not true. So,
don’t take it to the bank, folks.
Alan: There is no complaint department for any of this.
Jackie: No, there isn’t. We were talking about that, yesterday, with the gas prices. Now, I got an email
today, and evidently, there’s a group of truckers that are protesting the high gas prices. Of course, it will,
any independent truckers that are left.
Alan: Yes, there’s very few.
Jackie: Will be, yes, will be going down the tubes on this one. And that was a comment that I made to you.
I said, my God, everybody is complaining, but we complain to each other. Because, what do you do about
it, who do you talk to? And like you said, in this system, there is no complaint department. You’ve got the
corporations, that are controlling, and you’ve got bureaucrats that are not answerable to the public.
Alan: Yes. And that’s what Carroll Quigley said, in Tragedy and Hope, that the new system would be
basically a new feudal system, run by international corporations, with members jumping in and out of
governments and back to the corporations. Which is exactly what we’ve had for many years. So, yeah,
there’s no complaint department for the spraying in the skies, or for anything else that’s happened. There
truly is no complaint department here.
Jackie: Well, as far as those chemtrails, I’ve talked to several people, who when the planes are flying in their
area, they’ll call the airport, or they’ll call if there’s a military base close by, an air force base, or whatever.
And there the planes are, spreading their joy around the sky, and they’re just told, that according to our
radars there’s no air traffic out there.
Alan: Well, you’re seeing things. That’s it. They’re all told the same stories, and fob the public off with silly
answers, because they can’t admit. See, they’ve gone too far now that they can’t trace back their steps.
They’re into the killing phase. That’s what’s happening. And they can’t go back and say, yeah, we have
been hitting you hard with this stuff, and it will increase the death rate. Definitely with the very young and
the elderly, especially. That’s what generally happens, with anything foreign to the body. And so they can’t
go back and tell the public that now, that they’ve gone too far. They’ve gone too far.
Jackie: I was talking to my friend Mel, today, from North Carolina. And they had a storm there. He said, it
was straight-line winds, that’s what they called them.
Alan: Yes. There’s another term they used in Canada, when it started 3 years ago, and the announcer said
the brand new phrase they were using. I can’t remember what it was. But he said, it’s a strange
phenomena, that we have these straight winds cutting swathes right through forests in a straight line, and it
was as though the loggers had been through. It literally is a straight line, going on for maybe half a mile
and then just stops. And nothing in nature happens in a straight line, you see.
Jackie: Well, this of course isn’t in nature, but now with saying that they had almost hurricane type winds,
and it was one of those 20 minute, 30 minute ones. And he was telling me that the rain was actually coming
sideways. Remember when we had those storms, I told you, and the wind was, okay, this was the day
before yesterday, we had two of them. And they come right out of nowhere. Now, the Weather Channel is
calling them pop-up storms. And your weather, your sun will be bright, and suddenly the cloud is, the sky is
overcast, it’s cloudy, and there it comes. And I was in the family room, had the hallway windows open. I
was a good, at least 8, maybe 10 feet, away from the windows, and when that rain hit, it was landing on
me. And by the time I got the windows closed in that direction, I had water everyplace. And then by the
time I got the windows closed, it was done. The sky, the sun came out, and about two hours later, we had
another one, just like it.
Alan: They’re using advanced science on the public, and of course, they never write about these sciences in
the Popular Science magazines, or anything. And so, Joe Average will think, if you mention this stuff, well,
that’s impossible, we don’t have the technology. But yeah, they do have the technology. The real
technology is never given to the public. And whenever they write that they’re working on something, that’s
old news, they’ve had it. It’s probably obsolete by now, really. That’s how they keep us in one reality, while
they have the toys in another, you know. So they’re very, very advanced with the science. They’re also
coupling HAARP with arrays of satellites and boosting the signal. And they can actually bring it right down
on anywhere on the planet.
Jackie: In other words, pinpoint it.
Alan: Yes. It can be done to an individual or to a whole state.
Jackie: I wanted to thank my new friend, Tim Thomas. He’s a radio broadcaster, in Cornell, a morning
show. And Tim has offered, he’s got all the radio equipment, for me to give him a call, and Tim, if you’re
listening, I will be calling, and thank you so much for your offer. Because, what he wants to do is some
testing on my radio equipment, to see if there’s anything that can be done to tweak it or whatever; but
meantime, he had mentioned in his email, that they had a tornado there. He’s around Corning area, and I
read the newspaper article, and they were talking about the strange phenomena. And I think, if I’m not
mistaken, they mentioned the rain coming in sideways.
Alan: Yeah, I had that today, too.
Jackie: That’s the way it’s coming in. It’s coming in sideways, Alan.
Alan: I had that today, it was a sudden storm. It started very quickly, and I had to run and close the
windows, and when I was, oh, twelve feet from them, the rain was hitting me. A very strong wind. And it
only lasted maybe ten minutes, and the heavy downpour.
Jackie: Just in time to get all the windows closed.
Alan: That’s right. I think they’re trying to frustrate us all. That’s it. They are using all this technology. And
they’re going through their long agenda, their planned agenda for an age of chaos, and it has to take in
everything, everything that they can possibly manage and bring the chaos about.
Jackie: You know, I remember, when I first started getting involved in waking up, getting politically involved
at that time, back in 1992, late 1991, but it was probably about 1993 and I lived in Illinois at the time, and
every time that I drove into Saint Louis, there was roadwork at this one particular place, and it went on
forever. I mean, it just, month after month after month after month after month, and I mentioned it to
Nicole, and she says, “Ma, I don’t understand what takes them so long. Why?” I said, “Nicole, actually it’s
intentional, honey.” I said, “They’re doing it to frustrate people, in heavy traffic and drive time. Traffic is
piled up for miles, even in non drive time, you’re a mile back, because of the road work there.” And she
says, “Oh, get real.” Well, a few years ago, she said, “Mom, I believe you now. I believe you now.”
Because, she said, that they’re constantly, you know, doing road work and blocking traffic, and closing lanes
off, and they hang out in the same place for a long time. And folks, if this sounds, if you happen, to be a
new listener, and this sounds out of this world to you, it’s because it is. And if you continue to listen, I
believe that you will realize that what we’re saying is not paranoia, or right wing wacko, radical wacko, but it
is exactly what it is for, to cause frustration and stress, and…
Alan: It’s also to create – I mean, Sudbury is the nearest town to me, and since I’ve been here for the last
almost three years come winter, there’s been one stretch of road that they’ve dug up and then re-surfaced,
and dug up and re-surfaced, and they keep going every year with the same stretch, and what it is, Sudbury
is very, very Masonic. The lodges, all kinds of lodges are everywhere, and what they do is dish out the tax
money to the high guys who own all the construction companies. It’s a job creation scheme for high
Masons. And it goes on and on and on. Just dig it up and fill it in, dig it up and fill it in. And the public are
just used to it, you know. That’s how it goes. You know, that happens in every city too. And then they’ll
dig it up, and say, oh we have to put another pipe underneath there, that we missed the last time. And then
they pull out these brand new pipes and stack them all, they’re spanking new. They’re only a year old, and
then they put another bunch in. And this con game goes on forever.
Jackie: Probably fiber optics, though. I think they’ve been replacing. They started this a long time ago on
the main highways.
Alan: And along the railroad lines. I saw them doing it. They’re actually burying them alongside the railroad
tracks. So, yeah, they are doing that. There’s a lot that goes on that the public are totally unaware of. But
I was going to mention that there was a caller last night that talked about October. October is a very
popular month for the ones who rule the planet, the money boys, and their minions of very high Masons,
down to the humble low ones. And Red October, of course, was the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. And
Red is the color of the active principle, as they call it, the regenerative power, the flame, the fire.
Jackie: Because it’s the color of blood?
Alan: Blood and fire, you know. If you’re staring at a fire, in the middle of the yellow flame, you’ll find the
Red, you know. So, Red is their color. It always has been. And Red October is extremely important to
them, and this time of course, you have the Red Planet, in its closest conjunction for I think one and a half
thousand years coming up, and they love these dates to cause some kind of mayhem. So, I wouldn’t be
surprised if they do something in October.
Jackie: Mars? Are we talking about Mars?
Alan: Yeah, that’s the God of War.
Jackie: The God of War. I haven’t been out to look, but I had read this, that you’ll be able to see it very,
very clearly, and it will look very large. Is that going on right now, Alan?
Alan: Not just yet, no, but apparently it will. It’s not going to be huge, but it’s going to be a lot brighter than
it usually is.
Jackie: And it’s closest to the Earth than it has been in thousands of years?
Alan: I think one and a half, they said. So, they couldn’t miss an opportunity like that.
Jackie: Wow, that’s why you have a hunch that something is going to pop in October.
Alan: Yeah, they have all these dates, April 19 is another popular one.
Jackie: Well, then there’s hallowed evening in October.
Alan: Yes, and Ides of March, the Ides of September, which is September the eleventh.
Jackie: We have to take a break here…
(Commercial Break)
Jackie: Alright, folks, we’re back on with you. I don’t know if we’re back on the shortwave or not, yet, and I
don’t even know if you got my address or heard anything I said. Alan is going to tell you, how you can get
his books. And so, Alan, I’ll be back, okay. You go right ahead.
Alan: Yes, I have three books, it’s a series, really, called Cutting Through. And I just number them 1, 2, & 3.
And I go through the ancient societies, right up to the present time, how they still run the world, of the
profane, as they call the mass of the people, those in the darkness, in other words, and I go through a lot of
Masonic coding, which isn’t mentioned in regular Masonic books, in the language itself. The English
language was updated and created by them, really, in the 1500s, and within the English language, they
encoded a whole bunch of ciphers, which they themselves use all the time. And they use it in newspapers,
and they speak it too, on the main news, and if you understand it, you get the other meanings that you’re
being told, but it’s really meant for higher Masons, not for the guys below 33 degrees. And I also give you
photographs of the rituals and things like that. I also tie it in to the money system, from the earliest of
times, going back from the days of Sumer. And I know there were civilizations prior to Sumer that also used
gold and silver; and they weighed it then, before coin came in, around 800 BC. So, I pack these things with
information. And One and Two are written in a sort of Gestalt manner, because, as you read it, you’ll have
to start thinking, your mind will do it automatically, and things will suddenly come clear to you, that before
you simply glossed over. And you’ll wonder why on Earth you never saw all this before. Number Three is
written more in a normal format, with the history of the banking tied in with the merchants of ancient times,
and how they created wars and manipulated nations, and installed their own tyrants, who then began to tax
the people. Taxation is very important to their rulership and it dominates the countries forever.
So, these books are [see ordering information on transcript]. And I’ll get them out to you, as soon as I can.
And you certainly will not only enjoy them, but it really will show you things that you should have seen all
your life, but you’ve been blinded by the indoctrination of the system. And the history, again, is taken from
ancient philosophers, who occasionally mentioned money, the secret societies, which they all belonged to.
They admitted that back in ancient Greece, that they’d all gone to Egypt to study and join the societies of
priests. Every single philosopher did that. And Plato, being from the aristocracy, also trained in Egypt, and
then, he went to India, for another higher degree, and then to the so-called Holy Land for another higher
degree, and then went back to his home town. So, this is a regular route that these guys took, and they
seldom mention the money, just once in a while. Which is rather odd, since the whole money system ran
the ancient world, just as it does today. It wasn’t food and carrots that ran the world, it was the money.
And that is the artificial system in which we live. It would be very, very hard for them to build cities, where
they can then create the artificial system of taxation, if you paid them in food; they wouldn’t be able to do it.
And neither could they get a standing army together to go and conquer other countries, unless you get the
city first, and then use the money, train soldiers and pay them, and that’s the beginnings of mayhem.
We take these things for granted, simply because we’re born into a system where these things all exist. And
Lenin himself, who was trained by the best bankers on the planet, wrote about it, and he said that the public
must never realize that there is a thousand directions that humankind could go, and societies could go, but
they must never know this. They must think that the one they’re born in must be natural, because it
seemed to have evolved that way. That’s the trick. And of course, if your parents don’t know it was all fake
– and since all mammals learn from their parents – if your parents don’t know and they can’t tell you, then
you’ll fall into the same trap. You’re then trained, in school, to go out and run after this thing called money.
They pour out movies, rags to riches movies, which condition us to believe that you just work hard and you
get there.
Jackie: Well, that’s the American Dream, Alan.
Alan: It’s the American Dream. And of course, they’re all snoring, but that’s what the dream is for. It’s not
reality. And you don’t get up into the upper ranks unless they open and bring you up. Not allow you up, but
actually bring you up.
Jackie: What I did, while I was gone. I wanted you to hear this. This is what Tim sent me about the
tornado, and it’s Canisteo. I think I’m pronouncing it correctly. It’s around, somewhere around, Corning,
NY, which is just above us. Reports of a tornado touched down, Friday afternoon, that would have been last
Friday. It was about 2:30 according to Jim Brewster, Binghamton based meteorologist. Most of the damage
was confined to wooded areas, and a cornfield, and then there was some damage, I’m not going to read this
whole thing. They said the couple was sitting on their enclosed sun porch when the storm hit. They had a
pole sheared, and it snapped a 60 foot tall pine tree, and embedded two pine trees into a camper. It was a
tornado. But they were sitting on their enclosed sun porch when the storm hit, they saw the beginning of
the wind damage, before deciding to move further inside their home. She said it started to rain. There was
a little hail, and all of the sudden, there was a roaring wind. We saw the pine trees start to fold down, and
headed inside for cover, because it was really severe. It was unbelievable, she said. The whole thing only
took about 60 seconds before it was over. This is why I wanted you and our listeners to hear this. And then
they talked about the damage to their property, and that the cows weren’t hurt. Okay, let me go down
here. There was power outage. Okay, listen to this now. “The tornado was confirmed by the national
weather service, Saturday, as an F1, meaning, winds range between 73 to 112 miles per hour. Brewster
said the winds for the Canisteo tornado were likely between 75 and 80.” And I think Mel told me that the
winds that they had there in North Carolina with their storm, were around, they were close to hurricane
force winds. But listen to this, Alan, “Brewster said, I saw enough evidence to confirm an F1 tornado. It
appears as if it was a tightly wound, brief tornado, that was about a hundred to a hundred and fifty yards in
width, and ran about a mile.” It basically ran right along state route 36, over Bush Hill, dropped down
behind a residence. And see, Tim was right next door to the residence that got hit. It was pretty much
confined in the area between Gravel Run Road and Rock Run Road. Stewart said, listen to this, “The
damage to the corn field looked like crop circles. Which Brewster said looked very unusual. That was very
unique, Brewster said. There was definitive damage in the storm track and then they had these other
strange circular damages to the corn field.” This is the newspaper article. Crop circles. But you know what
I thought about, we’ve talked about this before, I don’t know if we’ve talked about it on the air or not, but
the fact that they can pinpoint. I think that’s probably what they’re doing, is practicing, their little mini
tornadoes. So they could hit a particular property, and just take it out.
Alan: They can do it.
Jackie: I think so, because back about 19, I think it was ’98, it was in the summer. In fact, I was doing, no,
yes, well, I was doing 6pm at the time. And so, it would have been that summer. The children were
visiting, Jodie was here. And I was in the studio here, around 5 o’clock and Ashley came running in and said
mama, come and help us, it’s raining and the rain is coming in every window. And I ran out of the room,
and by then they had shut all the windows, but, now this is not a tornado. We’re up 1800 feet, okay, Alan.
We always keep all the windows in the house open in the summertime. And it’s good that we did, because
Jodie was in the kitchen, which is a wide entrance to the dining area, the dining room. And when I got out
there, she said mom, you wouldn’t believe this, she said, that wind came in here, and you could actually feel
it swirling around. She said it was just like a tornado was inside the house. Well, it was over in a matter of
minutes, same thing. However, we didn’t know this. There’s some very huge, it’s a poplar tree, a hybrid
poplar. They’re probably about 90 foot tall out there, or 80. They’ve very tall, big. They’re not the kind of
poplars that are tall and skinny. They’ve got great big spreading branches. And so, anyway, the people that
owned the place, before we bought here, stopped by, after dinner. And John came in, and he said, “I see
you, I see you took down one of the big poplars.” I said, “What?” He said, well, one of the big poplars is
down out there. And Alan, the top of that tree came off. If it had come to the house. It was actually not in
center of the house, but to the left of the house, a little. But it went over to the left, and took half of a little
crab apple tree out. That would have totally come through the roof. Huge trees. I’ve had them topped by
the way, since then, so that that can’t happen. But it was, I know it was a mini tornado. And we were the
only one that got hit. There was no damage anywhere else around. And it took a tree right out.
Alan: It’s micro-management of the weather. They admitted that in the newspapers, that the US would
shortly own the weather. And that was about four years ago.
Jackie: Well, there’s a website. It’s an air force website. Basically, it says the air force owns the weather.
Alan: And they do. And of course, NASA controls the satellites, which can also be used in conjunction with
all the various HAARP technologies that they have, and beam it exactly back down on earth, wherever they
want it. Four years ago, I was working under a truck, and in broad daylight, it was in the middle of summer.
And I heard this voh-voh-voh sound, and I looked to my left and I saw what was like a stroboscopic light,
like a flashgun going off, in a strobe fashion. I thought, my, I’ve been under here a long time, I better stand
up and see if I’m okay. So, I stood up, and I felt fine. And yet, everything was still flashing. I went inside
the house, turned on the radio, and I could hear the same zap, zap, zap in time with the strobe. I turned on
the television, which had rabbit-ear antennas on it. And it was picking up the signal on the picture, in
conjunction with the radio sound, going across there. And that night, I had three or four calls from different
people in different parts of the States, and a couple in Canada, who said, this might sound really weird to
you, but I thought I saw like flash guns going off, strobe lights, in the middle of the sunlight. And I said,
yeah, I experienced it, and they’re using some sort of new satellite technology. But that meant they were
basking Ontario, and who knows where else up this way, right down into Carolina and different parts. That’s
a huge area.
So, they do have different technologies they have been testing on the public. And I have no doubt that
they’ll keep records of different kinds of sicknesses, through their doctors records, and hospital visits and so
on, and police reports to see how psychological changes occur with violence or depression or whatever, and
cede it all back to them; but it was definitely some big experiment. And it went on and off, over a three
week period, maybe three times. So, they are using amazing technologies, which they’ll never tell the public
about. And of course, in the high noble Masonry, I’ve been told from three separate sources in these
organizations, that there are three levels of science, and from professorship down is the lowest level. So
everything that the public are informed about is the lowest level of science. CIA and so on, they get to use
the middle level for their gimmicks that they use. But there’s a higher level above them, that belong to the
Guardians, who run the whole show for the planet. And that’s how this system works. And that’s why those
at the bottom say, “well that’s impossible, I read all the magazines, and scientific journals, and they would’ve
told us.” Well, that’s the con game, “they would’ve told us.” No, that keeps you in the dark.
Jackie: Right. You know, Alan, I don’t know if you recall this or not, it was in the summertime, and I have
no idea what the year was. Maybe ’99? The children were here, it was summertime. And it was in the
evening. We were out in the garden, in the big garden, the children and I. Chuck was up closer to the
house. And suddenly, there was an explosion. And I stood there. And it was so intense. And my first
thought was, oh, my God, they’ve done it. I was thinking of a nuclear explosion. And the children and I
looked at each other, and we took off running for the house. And Chuck came out, and he said, don’t go in
the house, don’t go in the house. It could have been a gas explosion. We have natural gas here. And so,
we walked out to the road, you know, to look down, because it sounded so close. And it was real hazy out
that night. And when I looked down the road to where the neighbor is, I thought, oh my God, I wonder if
Sharon’s house blew up, because it looked so hazy. Well, then, the next thing you know, a car is coming up
the road, one of the emergency, you know, volunteers. And they said, do you know, do you know where
that occurred? We said, no, it sounded like it was down there. Well, we got in the car and started driving
around, and as far as we went, even up into the state line, people were talking about it, and everybody you
talked to, they thought it was right near their home. Okay, well, there were newspaper reports, the next
day. We were told that an airplane crashed, someplace, I forget what. But in the newspaper colored
photographs of corn plants, that had these little perforations, perfect perforations across the leaves of what
do you call them, the fronds, the stems. We never, ever found out what the heck happened. But the
perforations in the corn plants, and it happened in many of the areas.
Alan: This was when? When was this?
Jackie: I’ve got the newspaper articles in there, in my file. Isn’t it interesting how something like that
happens. It’s so intense. And then, it’s like, gone. Like you said.
Alan: Well, I think it was last year the major news up here reported that something was exploding in the air,
over from British Columbia, at least, it said British Columbia, all the way down into the U.S. states. And it
had set off car alarms in the middle of the night, all the way down. And then of course, the speculation
came out, they brought out, oh, it might be some kind of strange meteor, and so on and so on.
Jackie: Right. Well, see, we were also told that, that they thought a meteor hit some place, but nothing.
Alan: Well, the odd thing was, a week later, Australia had the same thing happen. And what they’re doing is
using, again, the Tesla technology. They’re superheating parts of the atmosphere, and they’re literally
exploding. That’s what it does.
Jackie: Wow. That’s probably what happened here. We’re out of our hour. And ladies and gentlemen, we
will be back with you tomorrow night. Thank you for being here tonight. And I hope you were able to hear
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Jackie Patru: Good evening. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is the 17th of August. Is that
right, Alan?
Alan: It is.
Jackie: It is August the 17th, folks, in the year 2005. And it is, of course, the end of our broadcast week. We’re here
Monday through Wednesday, and WFAR has a new satellite, and I was going to get it, and I am so sorry that I just now
thought about it. For those of you, I guess people who are listening on satellite know it then, because I know that it’s
been announced. But I will get it, and I will share it with you, for those of you who prefer, if you have a CBAND
satellite, who prefer to do that. Alan is back with us tonight. Actually, I had told Alan this afternoon that it was going
to be you and me tonight, folks, because I had stuff I wanted to share with you, and I canned today. I haven’t canned in
three years, because, for the last two years, the garden has just been totally drowned out. And I got 17 pints of delicious
pickle relish today, from my homegrown cucumbers. And it was a thrill, but I had forgotten how long a process it is and
all the steps that we have to go through to get that done. And it was about 5 minutes till the hour of nine, before I filled
that last jar. So, Alan graciously, when I called him, said, of course, he will be on with us, and here he is. And Alan,
thank you.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Our spiritual message, and I didn’t want to forget this, and I did. This would be from Psalm 139, folks. “Search
me father, and know my heart. Test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any offensive way in me, and
lead me in the way everlasting.” That’s from Psalm 139, verses 23 and 24. Know thyself. Jesus said there is nothing
more to know. And maybe that’s our whole mission here in a sense, Alan.
Alan: I think it is, because, I mean even though a lot of the Psalms were taken from the Egypt wisdom writings, there’s
a lot of truth in there. But when you were saying, search me father, I was seeing in my mind, search me government,
because you see these black-clad guys searching people all over the place now.
Jackie: I know. You said that the last time I did this.
Alan: And of course, they’re looking for anything they can find as well that’s out of the ordinary, even your opinions.
So, we’re certainly going through the opposite side you might say of what was given thousands of years ago. They’ve
reversed it, and now the government, or the state, or the world state is really in charge. And we’re seeing the misery
that it can produce. But we’re just at the beginning, at least in the Western countries, of the beginning of misery.
Jackie: You know, Alan, the one thing I keep in mind, and you’ve said this before, that this plan is millennia old. It’s
been forever going on. And they’ve never been totally successful. And it doesn’t mean just because of what it looks
like to us right now, I just, it can’t. I mean, I’m not saying that we should just sit back and say, oh, it ain’t going to
happen, but to be aware of what they have in store, what their intentions are. We see what’s happening. I mean, it’s
like the price of gas right now. And it just keeps going up and up and up, and as you said, you know, when I mentioned,
well, you know, everybody is complaining, but, we only complain to each other, because where do you go? And in this
system.
Alan: There’s no complaints department.
Jackie: There’s no complaint department in this system. So, I am not trying to make light of what we see, and what
we’ve learned, that their intention for us and for this world is. And yet, things happen. For example, I don’t know if
you’ve heard this. Maybe it’s been talked about on other broadcasts. The lady, who went to Texas, who’s in Crawford,
Texas, camping out, protesting the death of her son, in Iraq, because she knows that her son died for nothing. He died
because of lies. And now hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds of people, parents of these soldiers that have been
killed are coming to support this cause. And there evidently is a group in California, that had started what they called
Arlington West, Arlington Cemetery West. And what they did, is they made wooden crosses, and they’ve made a
graveyard of all the names that they know of the soldiers that have been killed. There’s about 2,000 of them now, I
guess, and Alan, I think probably that count is probably half of, and of course, it doesn’t even bring in all of the ones
that come back missing limbs, legs, and arms, and half of a face, and etc. But anyway, because of what this lady is
doing, and she’s just sitting there very peaceably, well, the people in California, moved their Arlington West cemetery
to Texas. And they’ve got, there’s a website I was reading it today, in fact, I’m going to send it to Darren to ask him to
post it on Sweetliberty.org. But what they did, is they put all of these crosses down the road, in a ditch, and you know,
one by one by one by one by one, and there are more and more people coming all the time. And those are the kinds of
things, people that are not just sitting back. People, maybe this woman doesn’t know diddly-squat about a long-range
plan, but what she’s doing from her heart is protesting the sin, the crime, of what is happening to the young men and
women that are killing and dying for the New World Order. And that kind of stuff is uplifting.
Alan: Yeah, I think that’s one of the reasons they’re going to rush forward with their plans for Iran, and try and get it
over and done with before anything else happens back home, you know.
Jackie: Well, and then there was that email I got that Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico, and I went to the
website of the state government of New Mexico, and it’s there. When I first read it, I wondered if somebody just made
it up. He issued an executive order, calling an emergency to protect their borders there, I think four counties there at the
line, the Mexican border. And one of the statements he made in the press release was that the federal government is
doing little or nothing, and that something has to be done. Now, they’re still trying to work with the federal
government, but they mentioned, you know, besides the illegal aliens that are swarming across our borders, stolen and
killed cattle, and drug running, and this type of a thing. Now, I don’t know if there’s more to that. I’m sorry to say this.
Maybe I’m becoming jaded, but I think there’s more to it just than this guy, because I don’t know any governors that
aren’t in the pockets of, you know, the controllers.
Alan: Well, it isn’t as though they’ve just noticed. This has been going on for years. And I’m sure there will be some
other government rule, or law, ready to get it put into place; it was probably all drawn up long before he came up with
this. And it will effect probably everybody in the US, rather than just the ones who are coming across the border into
the US. There’s got to be something else behind it.
Jackie: There probably is, but for right now, it looks good. Let’s put it that way. And we’ll watch it. We’ll watch to
see.
Alan: Because George Bush has already signed the unification of the Americas, back in March, with the two prime
ministers, one from Mexico and one from Canada. So, we know the federal scheme. And this guy has to be in on it,
you know.
Jackie: Or he wouldn’t be alive today, Alan.
Alan: He wouldn’t be alive. And he had to have known when they signed the unification. Well, it happened, you know,
down his way, when they went down and signed it anyway. He’d have to have known about it. They wouldn’t leave
him out of it. So, there’s another reason behind it, for sure.
Jackie: I think there probably is. In fact, as I said earlier today, it could even be something as simple as a close friend of
his owned a ranch that got raided or something. Well maybe not.
Alan: Either that, or the drug drops didn’t work out properly, and they’re peeved.
Jackie: You know, his name is Bill Richardson. Well, I just noticed this. And what I want to look into, it probably isn’t
the same person, but there was a Senator, Bill Richardson, from California, and he was the same one that wrote the book
when he was a state Senator, titled, “So You Think We Read the Laws”, “You Think We Read the Bills” it was
supposed to be, it was supposed to be humorous. But it really basically told about, you know, how the state legislatures,
they don’t know what the heck they’re doing, and they just rubber-stamp everything. He was also the one that started,
the other Bill Richardson, and I don’t know if this is the same guy, but seems like I saw a picture of that Bill
Richardson, and this guy looked like him, to me, from my memory. He started gun owners of America. And of course,
that’s another shill organization, phony conservative, Larry Pratt, who heads it up, of course, is a long-time member of
the Council for National Policy.
Alan: And also the big family that started up the CFR in the US for the Royal Institute of International Affairs, was the
Pratt family.
Jackie: Oh, you’re kidding.
Alan: I wonder if he’s related.
Jackie: Oh, now wouldn’t that be interesting to check out.
Alan: In fact, their main record house in New York is actually called the Pratt House.
Jackie: Pratt House, yes, it is.
Alan: You always find the same family names cropping up down through history, over and over and over. So, I
wouldn’t be surprised. The thing is, I mean, there’s nothing hidden about the agenda, because it’s all been well
documented by many of the people involved, who were all for it. H.G. Wells back in the early 1900s called it The Open
Conspiracy, because anybody could get the material and the future by simply reading the books that they put out
themselves. And he went through the entire agenda, leading to the air police, he called them, where the air police would
simply bomb all those countries or gas them, actually, or spray them from the skies, until they conformed to world
government. And it’s to be a world government run by scientists and experts. And everybody would be subject to
them. So, this is well documented, there’s nothing….
Jackie: Who was this, Alan?
Alan: H.G. Wells. And he worked for MI5. He was a spokesman for the British government. He was a propagandist
actually. And, of course, most people know him for his science fiction writings, and even those were actually, it was a
form of predictive programming, they called it, to program the public, through novels, of what was to come. That way,
when it really does happen, you’re sort of familiar with the ideas, and you accept them more readily as being inevitable.
But he wrote an awful lot of books, which were non-fiction, and he was getting all the material for both of those types of
books, from professors at Oxford University and Cambridge, and he just had to write a sort of story around them, to get
them over to the public. But he was the main propagandist for World War I for Britain. And he coined the phrase,
because they were running short of troops. They couldn’t get enough cannon fodder, with the heavy machine guns,
which, Maxim, Henry Maxim sold to the German side and it was Lord Vicars, went in partnership with the same guy,
who sold them to the British and the French.
Jackie: Now who was he? Was he an American or what?
Alan: Vicars was English.
Jackie: He was British.
Alan: So, Vicars and Maxim formed a company based in Switzerland, a neutral country. And they knew the war was
coming up, because their peer group had told them so. And so, they sold these heavy machine guns to all sides, and
made a massive profit. You might say they made a killing, you know. And, of course, they weren’t prosecuted for it.
And Vicars was promoted from being a Sir to a Lord, for his part in it. But anyway, H.G. Wells coined the term,
because they were running short of men, the War to End All Wars. That was to get the young idealists to join up.
Jackie: In other words, we’ll go fight for this, and then we’ll have World Peace from now on.
Alan: That’s Utopia. So, he wrote a book called The Open Conspiracy, and goes through the whole agenda.
Jackie: I read a piece today, when I pulled up my email. Somebody wrote, I didn’t read the whole thing, I do a lot of
skimming, scanning, whatever, but, it was somebody who had mentioned. Oh, I know, it was a website. I tried to go
there too, and wasn’t able to get into it. But, whoever wrote it, mentioned that the wars, that mentioned the Christians,
that all the versions that there are of the Bible, every single one of them is the word of God, and not to be questioned.
And made that point, and that all of these wars are right out of the Old Testament. Because the Old Testament is full of
nothing but wars, Alan.
Alan: Oh, of course it’s all wars, because that’s the system. See, this is a system that was developed thousands of years
ago, based on money, not food or anything else. Money controls everything. And we’re all trained to work for money,
not to work for food or clothing, or whatever. We’re self-maintained slaves. We buy all our own stuff, and the rest of it
goes to our betters in taxes. So, it’s a system, but the Bible has been tampered with, heavily. Old Testament is OT
which is also the Order of Templars. We should remember that to begin with. And it’s the Black Book. Black is law in
the Talmud. And Black is also law in the Kabbala.
Jackie: Well, and Moses Mendelssohn was quoted as saying that Judaism is not a religion, it is a law religionized.
Alan: Well, all of them are. All of them end up in laws, based on it, and really whether they call it religion or whatever.
If you go to the 46th psalm, see the number 10….
Jackie: And folks, when Alan says Sam, we pronounce it Salm. I just, that confused me when you were talking about
that before.
Alan: Okay. Yeah, if you get six and four, or four and six, you get ten. So, all combinations that work out to ten are the
binary code, which is very high in High Masonic Coding. You get the 46th one, and you count from the first word
forward and you’ll find the word, “shake”. Then, forget “selah” at the bottom, which just means, make it so. That’s put
on to all of them. Forget that one, and count backwards, 46, and you’ll find spear, Shakespeare, in there.
Jackie: Say, okay, would you repeat that one more time? I’m making notes, but I didn’t get it all. 46 psalm.
Alan: Count forward, 46 words.
Jackie: 46 words forward.
Alan: You’ll get Shake. Then you take, from the bottom, the end, forget selah, which is like amen, added on to it. And
count 46 back, and you’ll get spear.
Jackie: Okay, you go to the end of the 46 psalm. So you start from the front, go 46 forward, you get Shake. Go all the
way to the back, count 46 back, and you get spear.
Alan: And that’s a little Masonic joke, right in there you see.
Jackie: No, but you know what. There have been books written about Bible Code, and what they do is show that this
could not have been done by man.
Alan: That’s nonsense.
Jackie: No, I know that. Excuse me. I shouldn’t have said show. They use it as proof.
Alan: I know.
Jackie: That this could not have been done by man, because there’s too many of these types of codes in the Old
Testament, because, I’ll tell you, when I read this, it was very astounding to me. And now, it makes sense.
Alan: It was a joke. I mean, Bacon, Francis Bacon is claimed by the High Masons, was also Shakespeare, which makes
a lot of sense, because the history of Shakespeare, who basically, with all of the 180,000 words he came out with in his
plays, that were new words, he created the English language. That’s how they put it over. And then the Bible, the King
James Bible, reinforced that, because prior to those days, people were speaking, in England, they were speaking Old
Saxon German. That was the language. So they created a new language and Bacon wrote about it in his own memoirs.
He said, we are creating the international language of the future, to be called English.
Jackie: Francis Bacon, does his name have anything to do with Ham?
Alan: Actually, it’s a play. Frank is Red, like Franklin, Benjamin Franklin. The term even in medicine for bright red
blood is called frank. Frank blood, you see. And so, you have Ben, which is son, Jamin, which is I am in high Masonic
coding.
Jackie: Benjamin?
Alan: I am the son of the red. That’s what it means, the red way.
Jackie: But what about Francis Bacon, that world Bacon?
Alan: Well, he’s the same red, and there’s two ways there. You’ve got a beacon, which is like a lighthouse, you might
say, Illuminati. And Illuminati did not begin with Weishaupt, because even the old Oxford dictionaries say it’s a
movement which first began to be noticed, or put its head above water around the 13th Century AD in England.
Jackie: Douglas Reed suggested that possibly, that Weishaupt received it from the Knights Templars.
Alan: Weishaupt got it from the Royalty of Europe. When he was, it’s in the official history books, when he was chased
out of Bavaria, he sought refuge and was granted refuge in the House of Saxe-Gotha. The present Queen of England,
her full name is Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. So, they gave him a pension, in Saxe-Gotha, which was a part of Germany. And
they gave him a life-long pension to live there, and he lived there till he died. So why would royalty grant Weishaupt,
who was supposed to overthrow everybody, why would they grant him refuge there and a pension to live on, unless they
had put him up there in the first place, to cause the revolution. That’s the key to it. These particular royal families
eventually came over to England, and they took over England as well. They all traced their roots back to Prussia. But
that’s the official history, you know. And Weishaupt is a pseudonym for Wise Leader, that’s what it means.
Jackie: Wise Leader. …The way that he explained it, he didn’t say that Weishaupt got it from the Templars. He just
suggested that possibly. But he explained how it’s set up in cells, and that the people on one level, they just take orders
from the person just above them. And they don’t know anything else that’s going on.
Alan: It’s still part of Freemasonry’s oaths today. It’s said that you must obey immediately an order by a superior
degree, and put your own moral judgment and opinions in reserve. You must carry out the order, regardless.
Jackie: And when you take a look at it, kind of from above, like a bird’s eye view of it, first of all, it does make sense.
You know, the fact that so many of their minions that are carrying out the plan, they’re only given like an Nth degree.
They have no idea. They may be given an ostensible reason why they’re doing a particular job or something. And they
could be working alongside of other agents, that are doing their own part of it, and neither of them know that they’re
agents.
Alan: Very often that’s the case.
Jackie: Okay. And then, when you look at the whole thing, and you have the CIA and CSIS and the Mossad, and you
know, all of the Secret Services in every country, then you see that it’s all, I see it like a puppet master up there. That’s
what I see in my mind’s eye, just pulling the strings on all of them. It is a global spy network.
Alan: Oh, it is, it is.
Jackie: It’s a global spy network.
Alan: Every part is compartmentalized from the department above it. And that’s why they’re all kept in the dark, except
for their own little role or mission, and as you say, you can work, you could actually be working and there’s guys above
you sabotaging your work, you know. And you’d never know. And those guys would have higher clearances than you,
and all you would be told is the word would come down to leave it alone, don’t go any further.
Jackie: And not only that, but they actually kill each other, thinking that they’re killing an enemy. So, talk about
minions, Alan. Pawns in a game.
Alan: Sure, and that’s the whole thing with secrecy of any kind. Secrecy always is used for subterfuge and power.
That’s the reason for secrecy. And Secret Services are at the top of the whole list. And as I said before, Peter Wright,
who was in MI5 and MI6, in his own book said that when he joined MI5 as a specialist, they took it for granted that he
was a Freemason, and the woman who basically was stamping his cards for him, his IDs said, you must be a Freemason.
He says, oh, no. She says, well, that’s impossible, everybody that works here is a Freemason. So, he said it in his own
book. And that’s the same in Russia. Trotsky said in his own memoirs, My Life, he said, I was initiated into
Freemasonry while in prison. And when he died, or was assassinated, he was writing what he called, he said it would be
the greatest volume on Freemasonry ever written. So he was going to, probably through his own ego, start to expose
some things which he shouldn’t expose. And he said, when he was escorted from Russia, because he was ordered out,
his guards crossed different borders by giving Masonic signs to the opposing guards in different countries. So, there’s
the brotherhood at work, even at all the different guard posts. No questions were asked.
Jackie: Do you think it’s true – I’ve heard this and read it – that if a person goes into court, that if they have some of the
Masonic positions and etc, that if they can project that to the judge, that the judge will be lenient with them.
Alan: Yes. It’s their law.
Jackie: Their law.
Alan: They cannot deny a fellow Freemason in distress.
Jackie: Well that would be, then it would behoove us to get some of their little, well, not a handshake, because you’re
not going to be shaking hands with the judge, but some of their little sayings and phrases and positions. Like Jack
Benny. Remember how. We have to take a break right now. Folks, we’re going to be back right after this, with Alan
Watt. Stay with us.
(Commercial Break)
Jackie: Alright, we’re back with Alan Watt. Alan, you and I were going to on the break monitor our shortwave radios,
and I forgot to do that. Did you happen to flip yours on?
Alan: I didn’t; I didn’t plug it in, even.
Jackie: You didn’t even plug it. Yeah, okay. Maybe we’re losing our memories, Alan.
Alan: Could be, yeah.
Jackie: Anyway, folks, I wanted to remind you. I mentioned this last night. I don’t know how we’re coming in. The
one big one that I get constantly is that I am overmodulated. My voice is overmodulated, which I don’t understand,
because I understood the engineer, Jason, at WWCR, to say that they were getting a beautiful clear, crisp signal, from
the satellite. And if it’s going in that way, it should be coming out that way.
…Alright. We were talking about the Masonic hand symbols or signals and stuff. And I mentioned Jack Benny. And
remember how he used to stand with his arm crossed over his chest, and then his elbow on his hand, and then he’d hit
the side of his face. I was told that that’s the Masonic symbol of the square.
Alan: It is. You’ll see a lot of people, famous people, including Stalin and Napoleon, with their hand across the chest
and the right angle.
Jackie: No, but I mean, do you remember, did you ever see Jack Benny on TV?
Alan: Oh, yeah.
Jackie: Okay. It wasn’t, it didn’t have like the right hand up across, but it was like really a square, because his hand, his
arm, the forearm went across the chest. And then his elbow was rested on that hand, and then his other hand was
against his face. But I was told that that’s a Masonic….
Alan: You see it every time world leaders meet on television. You’ll see Mr. Bush greet Tony Blair, or whoever. They
did it with Arafat too, so they’re all Masons. And it’s toe to toe, knee to knee. And of course, it’s hand to hand, then
your left hand goes to the elbow, then behind the back, hand to back, and they hug each other, and then they whisper in
each other’s ear. And that’s the five physical points of Freemasonry. So, you see it all the time, with all the world
leaders. They’re all Masons.
Jackie: What if somebody was standing before a judge in a court room? What could they do or say?
Alan: As a real last resort, if you really are in the wrong, and you want mercy….
Jackie: I’m not saying, no, forget it. Very few people that go into court are in the wrong.
Alan: You’re talking about Masons.
Jackie: I’m talking Freemasonry.
Alan: And I’m just telling you that that’s what you do as a last resort as a Freemason, apart from having a word with the
Sheriff’s Clerk, he’s more important than the judge.
Jackie: The Sheriff’s Clerk?
Alan: That’s right. And then you go before the Judge. And if the Judge still didn’t quite clue in, as a last resort, you try
your Joseph Smith thing, of the Mormons, because you throw your hands up in the air, as a Y, the letter Y, and you say
is there no one here to help a widow’s son. And that’s the final plea for mercy, and he must grant you it.
Jackie: What about just a person that’s in court, and shouldn’t be there, but is? That would be a final plea. But is there
anything that can be done or said, that would let the judge know?
Alan: It all goes through the Sheriff, beforehand. That’s traditional, in every country. In every single country, you have
a word with the Sheriff, and you tell him, and he’ll say, I’ll see what I can do. That’s why you’ll see some cases drag
on, petty little cases. And other ones, the same type of thing is dismissed right away. That’s been going on for
hundreds of years. And it’s no different today. And so many of the public who are….
Jackie: And the Judge has to give you leniency?
Alan: Yeah, once you’re a brother, and you let them know you’re a brother, and you’re in bad straits, etc, and this will
upset your reputation, or whatever, or your job. They must grant you mercy, and it will be dismissed. And men, of
course… see, the only thing that you can do wrong as a Mason, is to break a Masonic rule against your fellow brother
Masons. What you do to the public is almost irrelevant. And you’re allowed to have intercourse with anybody’s wife,
as long as it’s not a Freemason’s. That’s in their rules.
Jackie: Even the judge’s wife?
Alan: No, not with a fellow mason’s.
Jackie: Oh, that would be wrong. Oh, yeah.
Alan: Then you wouldn’t be tried in a court for it, you’d be tried on the square, inside the Masonic lodge. So, they have
their own little courts for their own rules and laws.
Jackie: How does one get a hold of the Clerk?
Alan: Oh, you just go in and see them. You just ask to see them. And they’ll give you little clues.
Jackie: What about a woman? I mean, does a woman count too?
Alan: Well, if she’s in the Eastern Star, although they’re all side degrees, that counts as well. Especially if they’re at the
heads of different charitable organizations, which they’re encouraged to do. So, sure. It counts for them, as well. And
that’s why the public are so confused when they see the same types of cases, same supposed charges, and five of them
are dismissed as soon as the person’s name is read out and the charge, and other ones with the same charge go through
two or three hours, and then get a fine or imprisonment. It’s because ones are Masons and others are not. That’s
traditional. The court is a Masonic Lodge. It’s set out that way. And the bar is your bar between the peasantry and the
man who sits as god. He presides over the court. He wears the Saturn, the black Saturn gown. He is a god, you know.
So that’s how it is. Now, getting back to Bacon though, I meant to mention too, that Bacon, when you break it down, is
also B A Con. You know, Con is a priest, a Cohen. And so you have all that in the name.
Jackie: Well, I thought of ham, because you’ve mentioned the name Ham before. And when you mentioned, brought up
Francis Bacon, the first thing I thought of was ham.
Alan: Oh, as ham and bacon. (Chuckle) But that’s how they hide their names and so on. And William Shakespeare,
the High Masons all claim, and Francis Bacon were one and the same person. And of course, Bacon did help to write
the King James Version. King James was a High Mason himself.
Jackie: And a pervert. A big-time pervert.
Alan: Yeah. He chased the page boys all over the place. That was his hobby.
Jackie: Well, the stuff I’ve read about him, it was even worse than that.
Alan: Oh, it was worse, all right.
Jackie: He rolled in the blood of dead animals, and had sex with cadavers.
Alan: Well, I don’t know if it was that bad, but he certainly chased the boys, and that’s the official Scottish history
records. They called him Shamey Jamie.
Jackie: Well, you know I think maybe I saw a movie one time, and I think it was one of those old movies that they show
sometimes. It seems it was in black and white. And if I’m not mistaken, they showed him as a real mincing, feminine
male.
Alan: He also had a bad limp too. And he was kind of deformed. But, yeah, he was definitely homosexual. There was
nothing hidden about that. He was married, but that was for offspring only, and that is not unusual.
Jackie: And that is the accepted and treasured and idolized and worshiped version of the Bible by many people.
Alan: Well, that’s the one that Jesus used.
Jackie: Oh, okay. It seems to me, and I don’t think that people think about it. Or maybe they don’t. Maybe they do, but
I don’t think they do. That they worship that book, a book, more than Creator.
Alan: That’s why it’s called The Holy Bible. It is a book, but they’ve made it a sacred object.
Jackie: Well, Bible means book, doesn’t it?
Alan: Yeah, but holy, holy. I mean holy means it’s sacred. Now it’s been deified as the book being sacred. So you’re
not supposed to worship any image. And of course, how did they get the print onto those pages? It’s called engraving.
It’s a graven image. So, I mean, it’s such a joke, you see.
Jackie: Well, you know what. It might seem like a joke to you. I find it, Alan, I mean, it’s a joke on us. And I don’t
think it’s a joke to you. I think it’s much more serious than that. Because, I find it so, I don’t know, just so deep, sad,
that it’s so easy to mold people’s minds.
Alan: It always has been, and if they leave us unchanged, unmodified, it always will be. Like Gorbachev, when he said,
he said that the world has always been ruled by religion to keep the people obeying the governments. And he said We,
and he’s an atheist, in the same book he admitted that….
Jackie: Gorbachev?
Alan: Yeah, Mikhail Gorbachev. Towards a New Civilization was his book. And in it, he says, we are now creating the
new world religion, which will be based on Earth Worship. So, here’s a guy who tells you he’s an atheist, who’s in the
business now of helping to create a world religion, to keep the public in check. So they understand this.
Jackie: He has offices in the Presidio in California.
Alan: Yes. And he had that, if you check into the official license to operate, Mikhail Gorbachev was granted the license
in the US, before he left Russia, and while he was still President of the Soviet Union. So, there you go, everything is a
farce, as it’s presented to the public. So, here he is, who was the head of the KGB, and the President of the Soviet
Union, who was granted by the US government a license to reside in the US and operate this global governance little
depot. And they granted it to him while he was still the President of Russia.
Jackie: And he came over here, and people cheered him.
Alan: Well, actually, it was the greatest PR move ever done. Maggie Thatcher was the first one to bring him over to
Britain, Gorbachev and his wife. And the press, years later, the press admitted that they had all agreed, your free press
now, that’s there to inform you, all agreed not to ask any pertinent questions concerning Communism or the true state of
the Soviets, but only to ask about his wife’s lipstick, her hairdo, what kind of hair salons they had in Russia, and where
Mikhail Gorbachev had his nice light flashy looking suit, you know. So that was a PR stunt. And then, when they
brought him over to the US, they did, after the same kind of publicity stunt, because the press in the US did exactly the
same, they kept to their lines, they didn’t ask any nasty questions. And they did a poll survey, and they found that over
75% of the people in Britain and the US wouldn’t mind if Gorbachev was their president one day.
Jackie: Oh my God.
Alan: That’s in the books.
Jackie: You know what, we’re almost out of our hour. And we’re, of course, out of our week, here. One of the things
that we’ve discussed, and I would like you to take a few minutes to talk about it. On Sweet Liberty we don’t talk about
the, oh, what Senator did this, and what, all of the little, you know, everyday things, because, basically, I mean, you
could literally be broadcasting eight hours a day.
Alan: Or more, if you could stay awake.
Jackie: If you could stay awake. And, will you comment on that, Alan.
Alan: Yeah, I mean, the nitty-gritty of who says what today and so on, I tend to ignore, because I’ve got an overview of
the whole agenda, and that’s all anyone really needs. I don’t need to have the confirmation of the blow-by-blow daily
stuff that the mainstream gives you, or certain shortwave broadcasters give you, because I tend to avoid the mainstream
media, which is there simply to put you into a state of panic and subservience. And when the shortwave picks up on the
same daily themes of what they’re doing to you today, and going to do to you tomorrow, it becomes overwhelming,
which is it’s object. It’s meant to render you incapacitated basically through fear.
Jackie: And it does.
Alan: And it does. Yeah, I mean, some people have phoned me up and they’re immobilized. And I’ve told some of
them to slow down. One I told to shut up. I had to, because he was almost screaming with neurosis. And I said, who
do you listen to? He told me who he listened to, on the shortwave. And I said, you know, this is what psychological
warfare is intended to do. It’s meant to give you a nervous breakdown, so as you cannot function. And I said, look, has
anything nasty really happened to you yet? He said, no. I said, well, what’s your problem? So, that is how panic and
fear and terror, can incapacitate someone, if you get hooked on some of these superstars.
Jackie: Well, and this is why I wanted to bring it up, because we don’t do that type of broadcasting. And I wanted our
listeners to understand, hopefully, the value of the information that they’re getting. It is more of an overview. It isn’t
all the nitty-gritty, but see, I can attest to what you’re saying, because back in 1992, somebody gave me a copy of the
Machelvani Intelligence Advisor. I think it was about 12 pages, Alan. I was in my office. I owned my business at the
time, and I was working late. And so, I opened it up and read it, and I sat there paralyzed. And then I subscribed to it,
got my first one, and went out and sat on the deck at home and read it, and I couldn’t do anything for the rest of the day,
because I thought, ‘Oh my God. What the heck do we think we’re doing? It’s hopeless. It’s gone too far.’ And folks,
that’s what I wanted to bring up before the end of this broadcast, just so you know, why we don’t, because it’s all
symptoms of the whole bigger picture. We’ll be back with you, Monday. And I hope you have a lovely next four days.
And I hope you will join us on Monday next.
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. You didn’t hear me
when I first came on because I didn’t have one of my on buttons pushed. Today is Tuesday the 22nd of February in the
year 2005. I’m glad you’ve joined us this evening. I tried to get a hold of Alan Watt. Alan and I talked and I told him
yesterday that if I wasn’t able to finish what I wanted to do last night that I would finish today and I would get in touch
with him. I was thinking all day that he was coming on with us and then I realized about 40 minutes ago that oh, my, I
need to call him and his line has been busy and I cannot reach him. So I’m going to take the calls tonight if you would
like to call in folks.
Let me share with you our spiritual message. This is the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi.
“Father, make me an instrument of your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love; Where there is injury, let
me so pardon; Where there is doubt, faith; Where there is despair let me so hope; Where there is darkness, let me sow
light; And where there is sadness, joy. Dear Father, Grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; To
be understood as to understand; To be loved as to love; For it is in giving that we receive; It is in pardoning that we are
pardoned; And it is in dying that we are born into eternal life.”
There is no death. There is no death. That wasn’t part of the prayer, of course, that’s my comment, folks.
Jackie: Hello, Alan. All right, folks, we’re back on here and I hope that we didn’t lose anybody. I think that was pretty
fast work switching phone lines around et cetera. Alan Watt is with us. Alan, I apologize for not calling you earlier
today. I was thinking all day long that we had already set it up. You were coming on tonight and I got company this
afternoon and some more company tonight and it occurred to me at about 20 after 8 then your dog-gone line was busy,
so thanks for calling in.
Alan: It’s no problem. I got a barrage of calls.
Jackie: You got a barrage of callers. Well all right, thanks. What are we going to talk about? You were telling me about
meetings that you had seen – was it a CFR meeting, Alan? You were telling me about it recently.
Alan: They called it the Trilateral Meeting. It was held in Montreal last week and it was sponsored by the CFR, the
New York branch. They paid for that I guess and it was about the integration of the America, Canada and the states.
Jackie: Would you mind sharing that with our listeners? Now where did you see this, Alan?
Alan: It was on the regular news.
Jackie: In Canada? Now they’re talking about Canada too when they’re talking about the Americas.
Alan: Oh yes. It’s been on the table for a long time and it’s been denied of course for a long time as well. They give you
both messages simultaneously down through the years. Yes, we’re talking about joining. No, we’re not talking about
joining and then eventually of course they become more open with it and since the Free Trade negotiations in reality
that’s when it was first discussed that Canada, the U.S., Mexico and then others, especially Chile, would unite to form a
form of the United States of Americas to compete with Europe. At this meeting last week they talked about the desired
currency of this merger and a new currency to speed it along too and a single government.
Jackie: A single government. I wonder what they’ll call the American dollar? The Amero dollar or the Amero?
Alan: In fact I think in read in the papers a while ago that they had tossed different names around for a common
currency. I can’t remember what it was.
Jackie: I have a book here from this place down in Quakertown, Pennsylvania, and it’s an illuminati – Kleimer is the
name of the founder of this place I think and this was called the 34th Convocation. This was a message from this
Sweinberg-Kleimer and it was a long time ago back in the ’20’s or ’30’s and the saying that the capstone on the pyramid
– and on their property, by the way, is a smaller version of the big pyramid without the capstone. He said that the reason
that the capstone has not been put on yet is that it won’t happen until America is once again joined with Mexico. That’s
how he put it and it’s been in the plan. He said something about Egypt, but it’s been in the plan for all these millennia
and so that when they have it all – and he hoped that would happen without bloodshed.
Alan: I know that during the Free Trade negotiations the top Canadian bureaucrat or civil servant was called Shelley
Ann Clark and she typed up all of the negotiation books for the main negotiations and afterwards she came out publicly
and tried to tell the people of Canada that, look, it’s a sellout, we’re merging with them around the year 2005. That was
the initial date they planned on, so who knows. They certainly still want it, now they’re public about it. I think what they
were doing too is testing the reaction of the people by announcing that they had a meeting to see what would happen.
Jackie: I doubt we’ll see anything like that in the near future here in the states.
Alan: I think with this Middle Eastern fracas they’ll have to keep the taxpayers in the states quite happy until that’s
completed and maybe then they’ll pull the plug and then use that for an economic disaster as a reason for merging.
However, I think they want it to join by 2005, 2006, but I cannot see it in the immediate future, unless they do collapse
the economy very quickly.
Jackie: We know they can do that anytime they want.
Alan: Yes they can.
Jackie: I remember back in probably ’93 when I was very new to this and you read these financial forecasts. Alan, I was
convinced that by October of ’93 it was all going to be all over.
Alan: Well, it doesn’t take much and I know that Shelley Ann Clark when she tried to get the word out to the Canadian
people, she said that that would be the reason that would be given at the time would be we’re in trouble financially, so is
the U.S., and it’s too cumbersome to have so many governments with its separate bureaucracies trying to compete with a
United Europe and the Pacific Rim conglomeration.
Jackie: It occurs to me that that’s going to fall perfectly in their plan of Trilateral Commission. Like in George Orwell’s
“1984,” they had their three large regions would you call them?
Alan: That’s right. They had East Asia and West Asia and Oceania. Karl Marx wrote about this in the 1840’s.
Jackie: And the wars, when we go back to George Orwell’s “1984,” how two of them would be against one and then
suddenly they were the allies of their enemies and they acted like and the people accepted it like, oh, okay, so it’s been
this way and this exactly what’s happening today. We had a caller just before you called in and we were talking about
France and how America has been really biting France and of course now we’re hearing that Russia had supplied Iran
with nuclear warheads. They’re pulling it off already and getting people to believe that oh well Germany is no longer our
ally. France is no longer our ally.
Alan: Just on tonight’s news they have tentatively announced that Canada is joining the U.S. with this new anti-missile
defense system that they’re going to set up in the north of Canada.
Jackie: Another merger?
Alan: Supposedly in case of Russia, I guess. Who’s left? The Eskimos? Who’s going to attack you? Once again, they’re
setting up Russia as possibly the bad guy, but really this goes back for thousands of years, the necessity of government
that really is an elite with a bureaucracy running over the people under the pretense of protecting them from those guys
over there – when those guys over there are often their own kin who are running those countries. That was the farce of
the European wars for centuries, was that the British king would send these guys off to fight the French king and when
they weren’t fighting the French king, who was a cousin of his, he was off fighting the King of Holland who was also his
cousin.
Jackie: Of course the kings never fought.
Alan: No, but they all borrowed heavily from the bankers to support these wars and then they tax the people to pay it all
back, so they lived very comfortably on war.
Jackie: This is for our listeners who may not be aware of this or who have not heard it when I mentioned it. I have read
this in three different books or publications or speeches, that when they were planning World War I more overtly,
because I know that in 1906, Norman Dodd had mentioned reading about it in the archives of the – what was it? The
Carnegie Foundation and they had a question that they asked: “Is there any way better than war or other than war or is
there a way to make a change in a nation or culture that it can never change back again?” They formed the commission
and they came up with the answer and they said “no, war is the way to make the change” and they started planning
World War I and even the fact that it would take place or be started in the Balkans. Then they decided that they would
wait until the U.S. Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act so that the American people could pay for it and in 1913
the Federal Reserve Act was passed and in 1914 World War I was begun. If anybody doubts what you’re saying or how
long this plan and how well planned it is, we only need to find these little bits and pieces for the conformation, Alan.
Alan: I know that after they fought Napoleon they had a big meeting with the elite of Europe and the Vatican and they
basically divvied up tracts of land to each other and discussed the future wars, where they would be, who would benefit
and who the winners would be, et cetera, and they planned the future even back then.
Jackie: When was this?
Alan: That was in the late 1800’s, The Concert of Europe and another one before it, the Council of Vienna. They
actually divvied up the land between the conquerors to pay off all the loans et cetera and the interest rates that would be
paid by each nation and even the possibility of new wars and a United Europe. It’s never ending. It’s never ending and I
think one of the best books to read on that is the “Autobiography of Bertrand Russell” because he worked for the British
Intelligence Service. He was also a British Lord and he his job was to set up a protest movement against nuclear war,
and again with the Hegelian Dialectic–
Jackie: Set up a protest.
Alan: Yes. He formed what was the Committee of 100 and they got 100 leaders of large anti-nuclear weapon protest
groups, but they were the active branch. They were the ones who’d go in and knock down the fences around American
airports and storm over the airports et cetera. He said by using this technique of the dialectic (he’s talking about the
Hegelian method of opposites), he said we can create global governments. When the people are terrified enough they
will ask for global governments.
Jackie: I’ve got a quote here by him. He was a UNESCO adviser and of course UNESCO is labeled, if you would, “The
Global School Board.” He said, “It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if
he can catch the patient young and is provided by the state with money and equipment. When the technique has been
perfected every government that has been in control of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects
securely without the need of armies or policemen.”
Alan: That’s right. That was in the “Impact of Science on Society.” He went right through it and he quoted Euclid and
some of the ancient Greek philosophers because they did experimentation on mind control back in ancient Greece.
Jackie: Okay, look, we have to take our 60-second break. We’ll talk about that when we get back. Alan, are you there?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: I had to go out and find the shortwave radio for Steve so he could listen. You had said that in Greece they were
practicing mind control and now give us a timeline here.
Alan: 2,400 years ago. One of the big philosophers there at the time, because they all had their little schools, their
followings of students, and he tried with very young children.
Jackie: Now who are we talking about?
Alan: Euclid or one of Euclid’s students. He did say that he taught them that the color of snow was black, and things
along that line, and so that when they grew a few years from then they let them out to meet other children and they
would say the snow was black. Of course when other children from outside heard that they’d laugh and mock them and
these young students didn’t know what was wrong with them because they’d been taught logically that that’s what you
call the color of snow. Bertrand Russell used that as an example in his book “The Impact of Science on Society.”
Jackie: Is religion a science?
Alan: Oh yes, absolutely. Everything was tried through religion. Russell said that if you can get a child, preferably
under the age of two, which would mean bringing in kindergarten specially sponsored by the state, which we have now
in Canada, he said any input from the parents value system–
Jackie: In Canada is it a free babysitting thing for parents?
Alan: They just passed a law about a month ago to extend it across the whole of Canada, so I don’t know how far it’s
going.
Jackie: In other words, working parents would find that a wonderful opportunity for their children and for them because
if it is a public government funded project then they wouldn’t have to paying babysitters or daycare centers, so that I
would imagine that those people who are financially depressed or oppressed, whatever we would call it, would jump at
the opportunity.
Alan: Actually the parents themselves, who are around 25 years of age or so, are one step beyond their parents towards
accepting this as normal because many of them went to kindergarten and so on.
Jackie: And preschool?
Alan: Yes, that’s right, preschool.
Jackie: I can remember when the U.S. Congress was having hearings on Goals 2000. One of the big things, I kept
hearing it over and over and over again, that all children will enter school ready to learn.
Alan: Yes, that’s right. In fact, when they go to kindergarten they start them off right there. Most kindergarten schools
have symbols of the images of the world, “we are a global village,” you’ll see that slogan everywhere, “we are one
family,” and so they’re being prepared already for that. This has been an ongoing intergenerational change towards this
agenda or the progression of this agenda for a long time but speeding up in the last 100 years.
Jackie: What occurred to me when you were talking about this and I was thinking about the people who are financially
strapped jumping at it, they time everything at the perfect time for them, don’t they?
Alan: Yes. When you look at the school buses that go around even rural areas and they stop door to door for the
children, you see, so no child is left behind as they say. They make sure that everyone gets the same indoctrination and
just like in ancient Greece, if they’re taught that snow is black they’ll all say the same thing and they’ll think well we
must be normal because we all agree.
Jackie: Well, you know the thing is when you think about it, we’re a global village, we are all one and all that, on a
spiritual level we are one and I think that plays to people who don’t realize the insidious outcome of what they plan for
everybody. It pulls their heartstrings, Alan.
Alan: I know but I can understand that sometimes it’s best not to tell everybody everything that’s happening because it’s
so bad most people couldn’t handle it and that’s the truth. We’re living in a fantasia that we call normal and it’s really
masterful mind control and our parents have been under it too and this has been going on for a long time, this whole
technique of mind control. Very few people question the system that they live in as they go through it. They see things
that aren’t quite right so they think, “I’ll vote somebody else in and things will change for the better,” but in reality this is
an agenda and the best of it is you don’t have to go into conspiracy books to find it. It’s in old history books prior to
1900, regular old history books.
Jackie: You mean people in history books that students were getting?
Alan: Yes, because prior to 1900, most people who could read and write were part of the wealthier class so they were
writing for themselves to themselves and they wouldn’t upset the apple cart themselves since they were being rewarded
by it. They could quite more openly discuss things and there were more outlets for individual publishers who didn’t at
that time really need a license in some countries.
Jackie: Do you think that within these families every now and then there’s a black sheep? The reason I’m asking I
remember quite a few years ago reading about a Rothschild that was found hung in a hotel room or something.
Alan: Yes he was.
Jackie: It makes you wonder if maybe he was slipping out of the grips of the family. I don’t even remember where I
read this. I don’t know if there’s any truth in it at all, but that some son of a Rockefeller family somewhere was in Africa
and wound up dead.
Alan: That was Israel.
Jackie: Was it Israel?
Alan: Yes. He’d been in a whorehouse and he died. He was high on cocaine and other drugs. He had a heart attack so
the Mossad pulled him out into the street and put him in a car to avoid the scandal of where he died. Eventually it blew
out into the press what had happened.
Jackie: Okay. The way I read it was that he was on some junket or something over in Africa.
Alan: He was on a junket all right, a different type.
Jackie: Do you think that ever though that somehow they slip out of the grasp of their indoctrination, their mind
control?
Alan: I don’t think so much they slip out as slip up with arrogance or maybe too many drugs and they get loose-lipped
and boastful, or they could have a weakness. I think the one that was found hung in the bathroom, the Rothschild, was
homosexual–
Jackie: Well I thought they all were.
Alan: He had a lover–
Jackie: Blatant in other words.
Alan: Yes, but not so much the fact that he had one. I think he was starting to disclose things he shouldn’t tell him, so
secrecy is very important and they’re monitored as well in case they ever do slip up, or they can find out what has been
said and they can try and remedy it before it hits the papers. They are monitored.
Jackie: The situation over there in England like with Princess Di and that, what do you think was behind all that?
Alan: Everyone knows the only reason that she was chosen to marry Charles was simply for the offspring.
Jackie: Because of the royal blood.
Alan: For the royal blood and the fact that just looking at Charles you can tell that they’re too inbred. They had to
branch out a little bit.
Jackie: Okay, because she was pretty.
Alan: Yes and Charles is an odd looking guy and his sister Ann, who liked horses, kind of looks like one too.
Jackie: And the Queen is not such a–
Alan: No. They’re so inbred and it was in the papers at the time all of these reasons, it was more open at that time as to
why they’d chosen someone slightly outside the usual coterie. However, once he performed his “duty,” you might say,
and she had the offspring, Charles was off with the boys, as usual, all the time, playing polo across the world and he was
never – I even think they’re lining him up now with this woman he’s going to marry as just another publicity stunt.
Jackie: Who is this?
Alan: Camilla Parker Bowles.
Jackie: Okay. Is that the one that he was allegedly in a romance with during their marriage?
Alan: Yes, but I really think it’s more of a mother figure, a confidant to him, because he was never interested in women,
but it’s good PR for the public who must believe he’s straight and all the rest of it. At one time his Uncle
Mountbatten,tricky Dickey they called him, he was a blatant homosexual. It was no secret. He was worried that Charles
was also homosexual that he would never produce offspring and so Mountbatten hired or rented an apartment in London
and put some really high class whores in there to try and interest Charles but it didn’t work. They went to quite a lot of
lengths to try to get him interested in women and then they did PR shots to convince the public that he was straight.
Jackie: So are the boys his?
Alan: Who knows? It may have been done artificially for all we know.
Jackie: There you go. Very possibly.
Alan: They did a PR campaign that cost millions of pounds at that time and they were taking Charles across the globe
and they were hiring dozens of models in Australia and elsewhere who would run towards him on the beach as though
he was a really attractive fellow. That’s how far they were going to convince the public that he was a real ladies man, but
that was so far from the truth. That’s the world that we live in and that’s always been their world though. They’re
matched up simply for their genetic lineages and once they have performed their “duty,” as they call it, the husband can
do what he wants and so can the wife. That’s always been the way of the aristocracy.
Jackie: And so can the wife?
Alan: Oh yes.
Jackie: Well that’s amazing.
Alan: As long as she doesn’t give birth to a child outside of the marriage. They used to have their own personal royal
abortionists hired full-time just going around the aristocratic families.
Jackie: Do you believe that it’s true that Diana was pregnant by the–
Alan: I don’t know. We’ll never know.
Jackie: You don’t know, because there has been reserved speculation of course that the fact that she was engaged to this
Arab, I guess, that they just couldn’t abide by that.
Alan: I can see that for sure but also she was becoming too popular. She’d gone on BBC and asked to go on BBC and
started to explain some of the problems she had in the marriage and she’d done part one of that and she was going to do
part two and I think she was going to go a lot further and tell the British people too much. That’s why I think she was
killed, because she was too popular and people were listening. If she had done the second part of that BBC
documentary, who knows what she might have said?
Jackie: Why do you think they keep the royal family in England? I mean it is just a figurehead.
Alan: They’re figureheads and it’s also a symbol of the system and the system is based on eugenics. It’s paradise for the
elite there. It is eugenics. That’s the only reason that they are royalty is because of their bloodline, which they believe
are superior to the ordinary people, and the British Royal family remember is related to all the other royal families
across Europe. They intermarry with each other and have done for centuries and centuries but they are a symbol of the
system.
Jackie: Now they called hemophilia the “royal disease,” didn’t they?
Alan: Yes. That was one of the royal diseases.
Jackie: And it’s carried by the mother, right?
Alan: Yes, passed on. They also had madness too. King George went nuts at one point, sort of manic depression. That
was common in them too. They are a symbol of superior genes supposedly.
Jackie: In the protocols they talk about getting rid of the monarchies. Why was the plan for that?
Alan: It wasn’t for all the monarchies. That was the thing too. Eventually what I think they wanted was to phase out
their status in the public eye but those same families would still be up there holding the wealth. They do hold an
incredible amount of wealth and they have incredible investments in some of the largest multinational corporations on
the planet. It wouldn’t matter if they eventually stepped down from the limelight. It would make no difference in this
day and age because technically they’re not ruling anything anymore, technically. Sometimes I wonder if they are
though, because I know that the Bilderbergers meeting the Queen goes there with a few other ones from the royal
family. They are in on a lot of what’s going on, but I think one day they might just step down but still retaining this
incredible wealth that they have and they’ll still continue to inbreed amongst themselves anyway. There’s a whole
aristocracy that just simply inbreeds. In fact this Parker Bowles that Charles is going to marry, her ancestor was one of
the mistresses of Henry VIII.
Jackie: My, my, who would that be? Do you know?
Alan: I can’t remember which one, but that shows you how close all these people are right down to the present. She was
the mistress of Charles and her ancestor was a mistress for Henry VIII. These people are so close. They’re almost a
separate race.
Jackie: Except for their little bastards running around, huh?
Alan: Yes, but they generally know who they are. See, they have legalized bastards who also have rights to titles and so
on if they get authorized by the father and that’s where the term in Ireland comes from, FITZ, like Fitzsimmons or
Fitzgerald. FITZ means that you were born outside of the royal wedlock but you have a claim to title. They were very
promiscuous. That’s for the ones that were straight, that is. It’s a complex history of aristocracy and of course the
Catholic Church for 1,500 years maintained this particular system. They were right behind it.
Jackie: Yes they were, weren’t they?
Alan: Yes, they call that “the natural order” and of course that’s why religion itself, which comes from the lunar, stellar
and the solar mystic religions, that’s where it comes into play because technically the kings and queens were the gods on
earth which were also represented in the sky in the zodiac. Of course the Vatican was symbolic of the deity that ruled
the universe and that’s what they called “the natural order” – as above, so below. This was a traditional system that had
been in play even before they changed their hats in the Roman Church and stopped worshipping Jupiter and changed it
to Jesus, but it’s the same religion, same technique, the same system and the sciences of mind control were perfected
long, long before Christianity ever got on the go.
Jackie: Any of the religions, regardless what the religion was, the people totally believed in it and in the gods, whether
the god was in a tree or there where multiple gods. When I asked you that question when you were talking about how
they could take a child and actually have them see that snow is black and believe it, and I thought about how deep and
strong the religious beliefs run in people, that it is like it’s in the cells and no amount of reasoning or anything. If there’s
a question that they can’t answer, they just say I don’t understand that yet. And discrepancies, they see the discrepancies,
they say, yes, that is a contradiction but it can’t be because God doesn’t contradict himself. So they look at a
contradiction and say that it isn’t one.
Alan: You must always bridge the gap or jump over it. This technique of making people believe whatever is not too
difficult if you have all media, all written works, all novels, all movies, all saying the same thing. That’s how sanity is
compared. You compare your sanity by your opinions and bouncing them off those around you and if you all agree on
the same topics, same things, even though none of it’s true, if you all believe the same thing then you say well I must be
sane because they all say the same thing. Therefore if you’re taught as a group that snow is black and you all say that,
you say well of course I’m sane and snow is black and they all agree and that’s the simplicity of mind control. It’s mainly
repetition on controlled groups and as long as all seemingly unrelated media or material comes your way and confirms
that and you don’t catch on that they’re all part of that, then you’ll think you’re normal and so will everyone else around
you.
Jackie: You know it’s like the god Jehovah in the Old Testament. There are people who say, okay, well you’re wrong
because his name wasn’t Jehovah, his name was Yahweh; and so that makes all the difference in the world, Alan?
Alan: I know, but you see that’s magical thinking. Magical thinking was always based in ancient times that if you get
the god’s name or the deity’s name or the genie’s name then you had control and authority over the deity.
Jackie: Is that why it says in the Old Testament it says “if my people repent and call me by my name?”
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Because that’s a big one for people who are steeped into the Jehovah / “Yahweh” doctrine.
Alan: That’s the exoteric meaning of Jehovah. There’s an esoteric meaning for Jehovah too.
Jackie: What is the esoteric meaning?
Alan: Actually it’s four words: Yod-He-Vav-He. It’s earth, air, fire and water.
Jackie: Yahaveh is what?
Alan: Earth, air, fire and water, which is behind all of the mystery groups right down to the present.
Jackie: Yahaveh means earth, air, fire and water. Do the Jews know this?
Alan: The rabbis do.
Jackie: What do the Jewish people think it is? It’s Hebrew.
Alan: Well, they think what they’re told to think and there’re content with very little really, but most of them aren’t
terribly religious. They’re quite content what they’re given.
Jackie: So that is very materialistic when you think about it.
Alan: It is.
Jackie: The god of this world, of this world, the third dimensional material world.
Alan: It’s a ball of mud. However, religion as I say has been perfected long, long before even the Greeks ruled the
world; it was all known by the ancient Egyptians and they’d already run that ancient world for 5,000 years before the
Greeks came along and I’ve no doubt actually the pyramids are a lot older than they claim. They base it all on Cheops or
Chufu as the Egyptians called them and the Greeks called them Cheops. One dedication inside the pyramid and so they
say that must have been built during Chufu’s reign, but the Egyptian kings commonly rededicated their name to all
monuments, so I’ve no doubt it’s far, far older. Of course, the three pyramids are the three wise men. They are the belt of
Orion.
Jackie: Alan, we’re out of our hour. Is there more that you could do on this if we did this tomorrow?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: I mean can we start right here?
Alan: Yes, as long as you remember where we are.
Jackie: I’ve got notes. Thank you. We’re out of our hour. Folks, we’ll be back with you tomorrow night. Alan will be
back with us. Thank you very much for joining us tonight.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
February 23, 2005
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Wednesday. It is
the last day of our week. For those of you who may be listeners from time to time we’ve been broadcasting three nights
a week now since December and today is Wednesday the 23rd of February in the year 2005. Alan Watt is with us
tonight and I’m glad you’ve joined us folks.
I want to begin here with our spiritual message. Alan came on with us last night at about 10 after, 12 after the hour and
we got into a conversation just at the end of that hour that was very intriguing so I asked him to please come back this
evening so that we could pick it up where we left off and we’re going to do that.
Our spiritual message this evening is from John 12 and this begins with verse 44:
“Jesus cried and said, he that believes in me believe not in me but in Him that sent me and he that sees me sees
Him that sent me. I come as light into the world that whosoever believe in me should not abide in darkness.”
He also said, “If any man hear my words and believe not, I judge him not for I came not to judge the world but to save
the world.” He also said in John 18 that he came into this world to bear witness unto the truth.
Alan, thanks for being with us here tonight.
Alan: Yes, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Oh you’re so nice and clear there. What occurred to me as I was reading this is that many people take this
literally and say well that proves that Jesus was God because he said that, “When a man sees me that he sees Him who
sent me,” and would you comment on that please.
Alan: He’s talking about a different deity. He’s talking about the Creator, as opposed to the man-made lawgiver.
Jackie: Yes and the fact that he said when you see me you see the Father or you see him who sent me, to me the
interpretation well that proves that he was saying I am God I believe what he was saying here is that I am representative
of that which is true and that which is light et cetera. He who sent me has given me these words.
Alan: He also said that the Father was in him and that those who understood him, who tuned into the same wavelength,
then he was also in them; and so it was a raising of consciousness as well to truth as they say in an era where their whole
lives up until then had been run by tyrannical laws and law givers, and he was giving the truth out you see.
Jackie: Right. The Pharisaical doctrine, is that what you mean?
Alan: There were so many laws that you couldn’t help but break a few before you got out of your house in the morning.
Jackie: And then you got to be a sinner.
Alan: Yes and of course as long as you paid money for something to be sacrificed, then it was okay. It was a good cash
going business.
Jackie: We are going to get back to what you were talking about last night, but you had made a statement, dog gone it.
Sometimes my thoughts are so fleeting, Alan. Okay, I’m going to have to let that go because it was there and then it’s
gone. Last night, we were talking about the name of “God” of the Old Testament and in the Old Testament of course he
said to his chosen people that when I made my covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob they knew me only as Lord
God Almighty but I’m going to take you to be my people. I will be to you a god in my name or you will know me as
Jehovah. What I mentioned last night is I get letters from people and emails and say his name was Yahweh and so in
other words evidently the difference in the name takes away from everything that this god “Jehovah” of the Old
Testament did and said.
What you mentioned is the fact that the belief was that if you had the name of the god – how did you express that, Alan?
Alan: It was traditional in the entire Middle East that if you had the name of a god, a demon or genii, the genie in the
bottle, then you had power over that entity to command that entity and that was the little game supposedly Moses was
playing with the deity when he appeared as a burning bush. It’s all allegory you see but he wanted to know the deity’s
name so he could have control over the deity and so the deity answered, “I am that I am.” That’s all he would say at that
particular point. The Jehovah of Yahweh thing came in much later. Of course it’s nothing to do with an actual single
entity as such, except in a very obscure form. See, the deity that they worshipped initially was the volcano god.
Jackie: Did he have a name?
Alan: The Greeks called it Vulcanos–
Jackie: Would that be Vulcan?
Alan: Mr. Spock, yes, pure logic, and of course if you came down a mountain you wouldn’t be surprised to see bushes
burning if it was a volcano and that’s why they said they were led by a pillar of smoke by day and fire by night. It was a
volcano you see and it was a much earlier story that the priests had adopted into this.
Jackie: But that doesn’t really make sense that they were led by a volcano because the volcano is there static and
supposedly–
Alan: No. What it means is they were led by a pillar of smoke. In other words, all they saw was the pillar of smoke.
That was their landmark.
Jackie: Oh, a landmark. Oh, the fire by night and the smoke by day.
Alan: That’s what it means.
Jackie: And that’s like the three wise guys following the stars.
Alan: That’s the same thing, yes. It’s mystical language which paints a picture and if it’s instilled early enough in a
child’s mind they will always remember that exoteric picture which seems real to them and they’ll never figure out the
esoteric story behind it. It’s a clever technique which was deliberate. Language and the way it’s used is very deliberate in
these instances. Anyway, he started off as the Volcano God and he was also known in the Old Testament as the God of
Thunder. Volcanoes also boom and bang and of course that’s also associated with the thunder so he was the Sky God.
Jackie: Wasn’t Thor the God of Thunder?
Alan: That’s right. All these ancient religions were connected at one time and what they said was that eventually that
God was in command of the earth, everything on the earth, all the species that walked the earth, the air itself and the rain
itself and so that’s where they came with earth, fire, wind and water. What that also means is opposites, because behind
the religion is an esoteric religion behind the story form that you’re told. This comes down through all Freemasonry and
all religions, even Hinduism has it incorporated into it, that the world is run by opposing forces and so the simplest form
is your seasons. You have your summer and your winter and your fall and your spring, and they also say that for every
action there’s an equal and opposite reaction. Then if you delve back into the religion of the Babylonians where all this
stems from, and Egypt and the Greeks in fact, they believed that there had to be a balance, always, between the forces of
this or that – not necessarily good or evil because those are subjective terms according to the appropriation of it.
Therefore, if it was out of balance one way, things could never be placid in the world and therefore they always had to
keep this balance you might say between authority and freedom. The very same thing we’re hearing from the Bush
Administration today.
Jackie: Like what?
Alan: How much freedom are you willing to give up for security? It’s a balance you see and if you read the books that
many of the elite have written and the planners have written themselves, like those of Bertrand Russell, they go through
this whole process of saying—and they knew their histories since they were historians and philosophers—they said the
problem the elites have always had was deciding how much freedom to give the general common people and maintain
authority over them at the same time. Of course, as they came up towards the 20th century, they got more in detail with
the fact you’d have to lose freedom for the masses and the masses would definitely have more control over them as they
came into this technological society. Then, for the 21st century, it was to be a century of increasing encroachment of
bureaucracies to cover every facet of life and living for the general common people.
Jackie: Yes, that’s right out of the Talmud, isn’t it?
Alan: It’s Talmudic too because the Talmud is a just a book of the same stuff.
Jackie: That’s what the thought that I lost there for a minute is that I recall you saying that the Talmudic laws, actually,
if you really read it all or get into it, when they say that they intend to have total dominion over this physical world
including the inhabitants here, that even the most personal functions let’s say of the body et cetera, they have laws
governing it. You did say that, yes?
Alan: Well, I don’t know if I said it but I know it’s true. They do have all these laws of hygiene, laws of virginity, laws
of pre-marriage examinations for virginity and so on and so on. Everything is law, laws. It’s legalized and of course you
probably read in the Masonic books they talk about “as above so below.” Thousands of years ago when they gave birth
to the Great Plan or the Great Work they used the stars and drew their plan you might say into the stars and of course
each constellation has a period of rulership, so these were time periods as each constellation took its lead to rule. They
worked out what would be done during those 2,000-odd year periods and for the time of Jesus, the fish, Pisces, and that
was the earliest symbol of Christianity was the fish. Wherever they went in Europe these monks always drew in stone
the fish and that was their symbol that they’d been there, so they were the Age of Pisces and that’s why Jesus says, “I’ll
make you a fisher of men,” you see. It’s all allegory of a plan you might say.
Jackie: What did he mean when he said that or do you think that was something they said he said?
Alan: No. It was a preexisting religion which everyone knew it was partly Gnostic, which preexisted that period and coexisted
with it. The Greeks talked about it. Plato talked about the fishermen of men. These would be people who were
specially trained in the mysteries who would be sent out to gain discipleship and who would then spread this technique,
which was actually to end up ruling the world in a perfect system. They believed that these disciples would pick leaders
as children, train them to be philosopher kings. In fact, Alexander the Great was trained by Aristotle who was a pupil of
Plato; Plato was a pupil of Socrates who had to drink the Hemlock as a punishment for trying to corrupt the youth, so
they were using the youth, training them to go out into the world and create revolution. Alexander the Great was trained
by Aristotle for the role that he was to take, so these were called “the fisher kings,” that’s what the term means.
Jackie: Is that anything to do with the miter that the Pope wears?
Alan: It does. Oannes was the fish-god as they say.
Jackie: Who was that?
Alan: Oannes was the name of that deity. Anyway, the fisher king was a principle where they would literally bring up a
youth for a leadership role, indoctrinate him in philosophy and logic and his role would be to lead the world into the
perfect “Republic” as Plato called it, which was a world which would be run by a guardian class. The guardian class
were to be the elite aristocracies of the world and below them they would have the helping class, which would be the
army, the military eventually incorporating females into those militaries. They hoped to then breed the female soldiers
with the male soldiers and they would become the offspring that would obviously take the same roles. Below them,
there were the working classes who would be specially bred for the tasks that they had to perform through selective
breeding. If you wanted an apple picker, as Plato said, you would pick a tall thin guy and breed him with a tall thin
female. If you want a miner, you breed a small squat guy with a small squat woman; and this was talked about 2,400
years ago. Anyway, they sent out these fisher kings to create revolution and also each revolution was to create a larger
and larger empire and ultimately they would end up with a world empire. That was the whole agenda and of course
Plato himself had been taught in Egypt, as all the aristocracy of Greece was, they were taught the mystery religions in
Egypt, but everything that came out of Egypt always led to revolution in those countries that those students went back
to. That’s the key to it and of course revolution is a circle, you see. To revolve is to draw a circle. That’s why they use
the word revolution. That’s why the term “revelation” is just vowel away from “revolution,” just the alteration of a
vowel.
This was planned a long, long time ago. Jehovah, which basically is the balancing of opposites, and if you’ve got a bit of
paper there I can show you how to draw it.
Jackie: I’m taking notes right now.
Alan: Okay. You draw the letter X and on the bottom right-hand side put down YOD or YH.
Jackie: How do I spell that?
Alan: You can spell it anyway you want, that’s why they left the vowels out of those. There were no vowels in fact in
the early Hebrew.
Jackie: That would be the “Y” for Yahweh, Yahvey?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And the bottom right-hand corner YOD.
Alan: Put down YOD and then next to that you put down fire, and then you follow that line up to the top left and you
put HAY and next to that you put AIR. Then you go to the next line, top right, and you put HAY, which is water.
Jackie: Well how can HAY be water and air?
Alan: VAY is AIR so put a “V” for air. Then for the water you put HH. You can say HEY if you want and then follow
that down to the bottom left and you’ve got VAH, which is EARTH.
Jackie: Well Yahweh I thought was YHVH so we have right now YVVH.
Alan: You’ve got Y, then you’ve got H, then you’ve got the V–
Jackie: For air?
Alan: Yes and a W, which is a V again, isn’t it? Because they pronounce it V. What it’s showing you is the opposites.
Fire is opposite air and water is opposite earth. Water is a feminine symbol. Earth again is a feminine symbol. It’s all to
do basically with the balance of nature you might say and the control of nature. Even the name wasn’t allowed to be
pronounced except once a year by the high priests on pain of death and all the rest of the time they could call the deity
Adonai, but they were not allowed to use that word–
Jackie: Did they know that this was all allegory?
Alan: No, the general public wouldn’t know.
Jackie: When you said that they were only allowed to say the name once a year, that would have been the general
public?
Alan: Yes. The high priests, even they didn’t say it in public except on that one day of the year on some big service, but
the general public wouldn’t know what the inner meanings were – just like you accept the name of Jesus as Jesus and
don’t say: what does it mean?
Jackie: But the insiders are the priests?
Alan: Oh yes.
Jackie: They knew that it was allegory. In other words did they know that Jehovah or YHVH was an allegory and it was
not a “God,” it was not an entity?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Or a spiritual being but it was just an allegory. So in other words it kind of comes back to the fact that the
religion had everything to do with this physical world and nothing to do with the spiritual or the dimensions let’s say
beyond the third dimension?
Alan: No. In fact in the early Old Testament you’ll see that there’s nothing spiritual in it.
Jackie: No, there isn’t. You’re right.
Alan: There’s no afterlife. You’re dead, you’re dead. You go and lay with your father and that’s the end of it. The whole
goal was to obtain wealth and happiness in this life.
Jackie: That’s right and I do recall because I really paid attention to it when Jehovah was handing down the mandate
that if you do my statutes you will be blessed and then he gave all the blessings. Well, all the blessings were earthly. It
was wealth and everything earthly and then of course if you didn’t follow the statutes, well then the curses were just
unbelievable. It went on for a page and a half including cannibalism. The parents would eat their own children. Those
were the curses but I recall nothing that was ever said – for example, when Jesus said store up not your treasures here on
earth because where your treasure is your heart is.
Alan: That’s right. Really, any idea of any spiritual nature was a much later edition to it basically for Hebrewism and
even then, at the time of Jesus, there were many debates about even that. In fact the main difference with the Sadducees,
apart from the fact that they were the nobility, they were the aristocracy that came out of Babylon with the Pharisees, the
Sadducees did not believe in an afterlife. That was how they differed from the Pharisees.
Jackie: Why in the Old Testament, because I don’t have it memorized, but I just don’t recall Jesus mentioning the
Sadducees but it was the Pharisees that were getting his wrath.
Alan: Yes, because they were the religious rulers you might say and they were becoming more aggressive for power,
more determined to get power for themselves, but because they also had an inner religion for themselves, they were a
brotherhood you see.
Jackie: The Pharisees and the Sadducees too?
Alan: Yes. They still had their differences though, a power struggle. You find that the Pharisees were definitely looking
to take over the reigns of complete power and they also believed that no one could really know the Creator deity. That’s
what they believed, that no one could know. They could say through debating and logic what the Creator was not, but
they could not say what the Creator was.
Jackie: So they actually believed in a Creator?
Alan: They believed there was a Creator but it was remote.
Jackie: Not within us?
Alan: Not within us.
Jackie: Not in this physical world at all?
Alan: Basically. However, they did believe that they had a duty – because Judaism is an active religion, it’s not passive,
and any rabbi will tell you, it’s in a lot of their books, it works towards a goal. The purpose of Judaism is to work a goal
into the world and to complete a mission you might say and of course the mission ultimately is global government under
God’s rule and that’s when the Creator will come back they claim.
Jackie: So they do speak of a creator but the “Creator” is not present?
Alan: That’s basically it. What they were left with was a lot of rules and laws and regulations, but within their own
religion is a mystery religion to do with the Great Work of working towards this particular goal so they bring everything
they claim into balance and magically I guess their Creator just pops back and says well done.
Jackie: When they say the Creator is coming back are they talking about Lucifer?
Alan: Well, that’s it. Albert Pike himself who was called “The Pope of Freemasonry,” which is one of the esoteric sects
using all the rites supposedly of Judaism, but they actually go through Judaism all the way to Babylon and Egypt, he
said himself that, “make no mistake our God is Lucifer. He is the light bringer,” and of course they equate intellect and
intelligence with light.
Jackie: Right and Jesus was talking about light as spiritual, yes?
Alan: It’s almost the same thing because it’s truth and so that’s how easy it is for two people to say the same thing but
both mean different things. The truth that Jesus was saying was basically the individual could literally through austere
practices you might say and truthfulness with themselves connect themselves to the Creator.
Jackie: Become aware of the connection, consciously aware of our oneness with our Creator?
Alan: Yes and also that you didn’t need intermediary; any priests between you and the Creator, which of course would
have destroyed the whole control system.
Jackie: What do you think how it would have turned out because it’s very difficult for me to be able imagine this, but if
the Old Testament had not been connected to the “New Testament,” the gospels et cetera, the confusion wouldn’t be
quite as great.
Alan: It wouldn’t have been quite as great. However, we must remember that Christianity from Constantine onwards
was basically warped and twisted into the same religion for control purposes. Constantine did not make Christianity the
main religion of his day. That’s a fable. What he did was stopped all the persecution against Christians. Having an
empire, he had many religions underneath him and he himself was a member of them all because he took out insurance
policies on every sect that there was. After 325 AD, a few years later, he actually erected a temple to himself as a Son of
Mithra, Mithraism, and also allowed himself to be worshipped as a god. He was a shrewd guy. He was a politician and
the whole idea was to bring this new up-and-coming religion that grabbed the minds of many common people.
Jackie: Exactly and combining them. Like in Mystery Babylon religion it explains how the gods of old, the gods and
goddesses under Christianity under the Catholic Church became the saints.
Alan: That’s right. It was the same ones the pagans could understand because they had been worshipping the same
deities forever and so Hermes became St. Christopher and so on.
Jackie: And so when people are praying to the saints they’re praying to the gods of old?
Alan: It’s the same thing. Psychologically it can give you a certain boost if you believe in it and it makes you feel a bit
indestructible if you’re getting a hand from somewhere, but this was traditional. These people, remember, the Romans
inherited their empire from much older empires, the Greeks and the Egyptians, so they had thousands of years of
watching new religions begin, taking them over and using them for their own purposes. They never let anything become
independent of its own which would become a problem to the state.
Jackie: I recall in the book “Mystery Babylon Religion”, this by the way, Alan, even though I knew that there were
many discrepancies and et cetera in the Bible, I’ve come a long ways to understand of course, many of us have, but I
was in shock as I was ready “Mystery Babylon Religion”, it was written by Ralph Woodrow I believe his name was and
most of the information was taken from what was his name that wrote “The Two Babylons”?
Alan: Hislop.
Jackie: Thank you, but I remember Isis the Queen of Heaven and the way they pictured Isis is exactly the way Mary is
pictured as the Queen of Heaven.
Alan: Well, she always will be. Always was. That’s the secret of the sphinx. That is the secret of the sphinx.
Jackie: What is?
Alan: The sphinx has the face of a woman and the body of a lion because the solar year or the Great Year in astronomy
leads off with Virgo the Virgin and ends with Leo the Lion. That’s the whole plan in a circle. That’s what the sphinx
stands for and the Egyptian year began with Virgo, ends with Leo the Lion, the progression of the equinoxes.
Jackie: What does that got to do with Mary and Isis?
Alan: Because it’s the same thing. Mary is mother. Mary is also the sea in Latin, water, The Great Mother. In fact once
you put it into German it’s more like matter, Mutter, which means matter really, so she produces matter, the world of
matter, mother. That’s why you have Mother Earth. That’s from Mary. It’s the same thing.
Jackie: You know the thing is when you think about it, it’s so close that it almost merges. I thought at one time I was
trying to explain to Chuck the way I was seeing it and I said it was like the razor’s edge, the truth and the lie is so close.
Then somebody said that it was actually in a sense merging, melding into where there wasn’t really an edge at all and
when we think about it in real life that in this physical world there is a consciousness in all things. The book that really
fascinated me was the “Secret Life of Plants” and I’ve had my own experiences with plants and realized that they
certainly respond. They do respond not just to watering but to care, to love and it isn’t like – people who accept and
recognize the consciousness they call them tree huggers, I guess, or God is in the tree, but that creative substance within
all that is here in the physical world, that the earth itself would have a form of consciousness of type. I’m talking about
awareness – well, like a plant. The experiments that they have done with plants where if a plant has been in room where
another plant has been torn up by somebody, when that person walks into the room the plant that was there actually
registers on their diodes, their instruments register some type of emotion and so there is a consciousness there, but a
very low form of consciousness maybe, but the point I’m making is that it doesn’t mean that you worship it. You just
accept and understand that that creative substance, that energy or spark or whatever we would call it is within all things.
Alan: That was the Gnostic concept that preexisted Jesus and was also parallel with the time of Jesus. In fact many of
the Gnostics complained to Constantine that he was stealing their religion that had always been there and they claimed
that the real Jesus of course in Gnosticism could not be killed because he was pure spirit and that he was not born of a
woman because he was pure spirit in fact. There was a tremendous debate in 325 AD to decide as to whether Jesus was
pure spirit or was he spirit inside matter that had been born here. I mean they literally debated all this and of course all
the Gnostic guys who came up were basically assassinated at the time of the meeting.
Jackie: Would Arius been one of them in a sense?
Alan: He was one of many.
Jackie: According to Will Durant in his fourth volume of Jesus and Caesar, or whatever the title of that is is close. He
said that by the 6th century BC if the church was not of the Arius teachings the church was literally empty, so whether
that was true or not, that was the way it was presented. The fact that allegedly after the Council of Nicaea, that first
council, that many of them who had voted said okay we’ll agree that this will be the doctrine of the church. This will be
the belief and anybody that doesn’t believe it is anathemized and that many of them rescinded their agreeance to that
later. Have you read anything that confirms that?
Alan: There’s no doubt that this was to be not just a state religion. It was to be the empire’s religion because they
themselves knew that they had so many countries under the Roman Empire with so many religions and since they were
a secret brotherhood working towards a bigger empire of the future, they knew that they couldn’t allow so many
religions to exist so they decided to basically create the one. They did a lot of alteration because they had to stamp out
the possibility of the Gnostic religion taking over.
Jackie: The awareness that we are spiritual beings?
Alan: Yes, that’s absolutely right because right from the word go the bishops of Rome were taking upon themselves
God’s representative on earth. That’s it basically.
Jackie: Like the Pope does?
Alan: Yes and that came later when they took absolute power and became God’s authority on earth. You see the
Catholic Church itself was a continuation of rulership and from an empire that existed for a long time, which had taken
over from a previous empire which had lasted much longer, so they knew what they were doing. They knew that
religion had to be used always as a tool to control the minds of the public. If the public were free from all this mind
control they wouldn’t be working happily as slaves you might say to keep a small elite in power. They wouldn’t be
happy with that. In fact if they followed the teachings of Jesus they’d have no money in circulation and if you can’t have
money in circulation you can’t tax it back from the public. That’s why the Catholic Church, although they made a big todo
about they wouldn’t allow usury, they made an exception for these Jewish bankers. Well, why would they do that
unless they were in cahoots from the very beginning? What you’ll find it was simply a continuation of what had already
gone on before.
Jackie: I had a call from a listener after the broadcast a couple of nights ago and he was talking about a broadcast that is
on the air once a week and I do not recall the name of the person, but what he was saying is that everybody who is
“blaming the Jews for everything have got it all wrong because it’s the Jesuits.” My understanding is that all of it, the
Catholic Church, the Jesuits, Illuminati, Freemasonry, it’s all part of the same controlling factor.
Alan: They’re all faces of the same thing. You see that’s what they always couched in Babylon and Egypt. They said
that Isis, because these brotherhoods refer to the mother more than the father amongst themselves, but they said Isis had
a thousand faces and that’s what they mean by that. Every church you can look at, whether it’s Moslem, Catholic,
Protestant, whatever, or even the temples of the Shinto, you will seen the same hidden architecture, not so hidden
actually, in them all and that’s the big secret of course. They always put because they are the builders of society as well
as the builders of the building and they put the structure of society in the architecture itself and they also give you all the
symbology of the inner religion in all of the temples that they give the public. Things are always hidden out there in
plain sight. In fact there was a man recently who came out in Manitoba who is at the University of Manitoba who’s done
a four year study on the government main parliament building there for the province. His specialty is studying old
architecture and so on and after studying the parliament building for the province, which is the government building, he
came to the conclusion and he’s got it all worked out perfectly they used the Egyptian Cubit, the Sacred Cubit, to build
this thing right down to the last fraction of an inch. They have all the symbols of the outer portico temple and the inner
temple in there. I mean the whole structure is a Masonic temple and the big joke of course that they’ve always known is
that all parliament buildings are Masonic temples. All churches are Masonic temples.
As Pike said himself, “everyone who has been trained in the system is simply a Mason who hasn’t gone through the
degrees.” We’ve all been trained through the school system. We’ve all gone to their churches regardless of what country
we’re in. We’re all pre-Masonic you might say because we’ve gone through rituals without even knowing it. When you
walk through that oval door into the church you’ve walked through the female. That’s what it means. The spire is the
phallus. The box is the female and the opening is the female. It’s the mystery religion, we live it, we go through it
everyday and most people don’t even know it.
Jackie: Of course we wouldn’t know it.
Alan: That’s the big secret. Isis has a thousand faces.
Jackie: I would like to go back – I made a note here when you said revolution completes a circle and what it means is
revolve. Would you expand on that because I’m not getting it?
Alan: That’s why they used the term revelation.
Jackie: No, but revolution you said. Revolution is to revolve in a circle. What do you mean? That it always comes back
to the same thing?
Alan: It means a new beginning. You go back to the beginning and then you start the next phase.
Jackie: And revelation is to reveal?
Alan: To reveal and that’s why I’m sure they even created the term revelation.
Jackie: And revelation reveals their plans.
Alan: In mystical language.
Jackie: In mystical language and then Christians are taught to believe it is the prophecy of the time to come, it is God’s
plan.
Alan: That’s right and it’s been drummed into people and people forget that Revelations wasn’t taught in Christianity for
hundreds of years.
Jackie: No, I didn’t know that.
Alan: It wasn’t until they decided that it would become handy if they put it in there.
Jackie: You’re saying the Book of Revelations was added later?
Alan: Yes. When they got together at Nicaea they also debated what books or writings that would be put in and what
ones would be left out.
Jackie: Yes and every time they had a new council they made changes, but wasn’t it under the Second Council of
Constantinople under Justinian where they had taken so many of the writings out and all of the references to
reincarnation?
Alan: Yes, that was done then because that’s still the traditional belief of mainstream Judaism, reincarnation, and of
course non-Jews are totally ignorant of that fact. That’s always been the inner belief of the average you know–
Jackie: Well, the ancient eastern religions too.
Alan: All the way from Egypt and so in the Old Testament–
Jackie: Didn’t you say that has now been admitted and it was fairly recently that the Vatican had apologized?
Alan: They did admit it in one of their own publications.
Jackie: And you said there’s a Vatican website?
Alan: Yes and I know they also had their own radio.
Jackie: Yes, but I’d like to see if there is a publication. Where did you hear that?
Alan: It was on the Catholic radio. It’s WEWN I think they call it. They’re always revising things you see and of course
the Catholic Church now is in the process really and have been for a while of altering so much within Catholicism to
bring it up for the New Age. We forget that the term the New Age was used first by Freemasons in the 1800’s and right
up until about 1950 or 1960 that was the name of the Freemasonic magazine, “The New Age.” That’s where it comes
from.
Jackie: My wondering is that is there an evolutionary process so to speak and I don’t mean that like Darwin or
something, but where there is like each revolution a revolution of the astrological wheel when you go from the Age of
Pisces to the Age of Aquarius then that would be termed a New Age. I mean what is it, every 2,400 years or so?
Alan: 25-1/2.
Jackie: So the word new age really doesn’t mean anything evil but yet it appears to me – there’s a book that I’ve got here
and I don’t remember which one it was but it was about the Knights Templar and towards the end of the book they were
talking about the New Age and it was so clear to me that what they have done is taken a natural occurrence if you would
and just gained control of it and warp and twist anything, truth that could come out of it.
Alan: The New Age to them is utopia. You have to see it from their point of view as controllers and from the ones who
follow it. The followers never know what’s going on. They think they do. In fact they often are brainwashed into
wanting it to come on, but for the controllers it’s their age of peace and tranquility because they plan to alter man or
humankind so much that no one will be able to cause trouble of any kind by having independent thought; and that’s what
they mean. They’ll have a perfect peace when everyone is chipped and cloned and all the rest of it.
Jackie: Total absence of resistance to their plan.
Alan: Absolutely. When individual consciousness in the masses has been eliminated then they will have succeeded –
even that meeting they had at Loyola University two years ago with the geneticists funded by the U.S. government and
they talked about that, that once this chip is implanted, which they have, into the human brain it will be the end of
individual consciousness. Each person will be unable to perceive themselves as a distinct individual.
Jackie: In that that chip actually has part of the human DNA in it?
Alan: Basically, it’s a combination of silicon and human protoplasm.
Jackie: So it merges with the brain cells itself?
Alan: It literally will bind itself to the nervous tissue right into the path of the brain.
Jackie: And you said that they had said they will hear the whispering of the thoughts of so many other people.
Alan: Who are all linked to central computers; and I thought this is the Borg of Star Trek. They showed us the Borg,
but they plan on doing this and they say their only problem now is convince the public to accept it. They said all media,
entertainment, cartoons et cetera will promote this as a positive thing and sure enough now there’s movies out and
science fiction like the “Mosaic,” a terrible movie, but two dumb guys who probably left school at 15 going nowhere get
chipped and can speak 20 languages, know kung fu, karate, et cetera and become super-spies. They’re already doing it.
The U.S. Department of Commerce sponsored and paid for that world meeting.
Jackie: That’s not surprising, is it, Alan?
Alan: No, because we are the commerce.
Jackie: We’re out of our hour and the sad thing is that if you try to explain to a parent why cartoons are dangerous it’s
almost impossible to do. It just doesn’t sink in because it keeps the children occupied. Alan, thank you so much for
being here tonight.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
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“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
January 17, 2005
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Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Monday and
it is the 17th of January in the year 2005 and our guest this evening, ladies and gentlemen, is Alan Watt. He was with us
last week Monday and Tuesday and we were in the middle as always of a very interesting – last Wednesday we opened
the phone lines for questions and actually he didn’t get a chance to really address one of them and then I had a call from
a listener today with a request, so maybe tonight that’s what we’ll be doing.
Our spiritual message, as we do this so often when I’m not prepared otherwise, it’s hanging on the wall in front of me
from Psalm 139 versus 23-24. “Search me Father and know my heart. Test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if
there is any offensive way in me and lead me in the way everlasting.”
Alan, thanks for being here tonight.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: You’ve been waiting patiently while I got through those thoughts that were flashing through my mind. Do you
have anything to comment or add to what I was saying?
Alan: No, but when you were reading that Psalm I had a picture of someone getting searched at the airport. Search me
father and then the mind control part to see if you’ve got any nasty thoughts in there.
Jackie: So search me father and you pictured people getting searched at the airport?All right. Do you remember last
Wednesday, Janet called in. She was our last caller, I believe, and she had a three-part question and the third part of her
question was what is our destination and our mission here in this physical realm for what we should be doing? I think
she mentioned something about what would we be sharing with or relating to our loved ones and friends, but I might be
interpreting that. Maybe that isn’t exactly how she said it.
Alan: The only thing you can relate to them is knowledge. It’s what they do with their own mission is up to themselves
with that knowledge. As far as the mission goes, it’s to ultimately break through all of the barriers and all of the masses
of indoctrination we’ve been brought up with to become a complete individual and take that spirit that you have as far as
it can possibly go. The whole structure here in the world is meant to create the mass man, the mass mind and to stifle all
individuality, ultimately to snuff out the individual spirit, so it’s a battle here between two different ways, you might say,
of the way of the mass which is planned for them and the way of the individual. In the New Testament of course the
way it was phrased there was that my kingdom is not of this world. Those of the world, they belong to the world and
they think earthly things and what he’s referring to there is the mass man and that same statement was written – in fact
all of the statements in the New Testament have been said long, long before Jesus Christ and Egypt as well.
Jackie: Would you just repeat that?
Alan: The statements in the New Testament – the main prime statements are eternal truths, which mean that they
always were true, they are true and they always will be true.
Jackie: Some of the statements?
Alan: That’s right. The ones that stand out are forever; they’re eternal in other words. There’s no beginning and no end
to them.
Jackie: Because truth is?
Alan: Truth is, yes. Yet if you go into New Age psychology, which is the current trend with the new morality, the new
maturity and all these phrases we’re hearing coming out of the media, where they’re going with it all is the opposite of
that. They’re trying to say the truth is variable at different times.
Jackie: The New Age movement says that?
Alan: No, the New Age psychology. All psychology today is a mixture of the New Age, which is the occult religion
basically.
Jackie: Yes, and there’s a lot of truth in there hidden in all the lies, isn’t there Alan?
Alan: Sure there is, but that’s the problem is they’re so good at telling you the parts of the truth which were hidden and
then putting their spin on it and bringing you into the way they want you to think.
Jackie: That’s where the discernment comes in.
Alan: That’s the hard part because it’s very easy to trap people with truth when they’ve never been given it before and
manipulate them with that truth and so those who’ve always kept the truth to themselves down through the ages dish it
out at certain times and then they put the spin on it. Then they give you the mission, which is their mission, which is a
world government, a world society, a political correct society where you could go to Beijing, to Britain, to Canada and
you’ll get the same opinions expressed on every topic. That’s what they want.
Jackie: Yes and the same British accent or whatever it’s going to be.
Alan: It will be English because that was decided in the 1500’s that the international language of the future would be
English. As far as the personal mission goes, the person has to – all they can do is express truth wherever they see it and
when they do see whatever the topic happens to be, that the king has no clothes, they have to say so.
Jackie: You know I’ve had our listeners when I have spoken in the past about Jehovah and there have been listeners
who have contacted me and said you know I wondered about a lot of these things and now it’s beginning to make sense
and what I see is that people really know. There is that knowing, Alan, and they squash it because it’s like oh we’re not
supposed to question because this is the word of God. One of the important things I know for me is really paying
attention to I guess you just sometimes call it intuition that something is there and if you don’t listen to it, it’s like it isn’t
there anymore. I mean now that we’re here, I do wonder a lot why the heck we ever got here in the first place, but that
makes sense now that we’re here. Our mission is to find our way home.
Alan: It really is an individual way because you’re either a leader or a follower and again it’s so easy to set up a way for
the followers to go and obviously since a person could truly know any kind of truth they must experience it for
themselves. They never truly do experience it by following someone else’s experience. You must find it yourself. You
can go along certain ways towards it, but it’s up to the person to truly find it for themselves.
Jackie: I was 15 years old when I started reading the Old Testament and at first it was frightening to me, very
frightening in that God in there scared the hell out of me, to be honest with you, but I suddenly realized that it wasn’t
true. I knew it wasn’t true, Alan. I knew that I didn’t know what was the truth, but I knew that was not, because there in
me from as long as I can remember I knew that God is love and we do know the difference.
Alan: There’s no doubt about it, if you took a Jehovah character or figure you have a mafia godfather basically who
demands sacrifice and kickbacks and praise and he makes a bunch of rules for you and at the same time he’s allowed to
break them.Of course, even in the New Testament, Jehovah is a newcomer in a bunch of different gods. It begins with
Elohim, which is the plural for gods, and Jehovah doesn’t appear until later on the scene. I guess he must have knocked
off all the competition. However, if you look at even the religion itself of a priesthood keeping knowledge to themselves
and being well paid, well funded from the fears of the people and you see even the way it’s based, which is to break a
law, you don’t – like a Protestant religion for instance or Catholic religion, you don’t sit and beat your breasts and tear
your hair out for doing something wrong. You don’t sit and analyze yourself and wonder why you did it and rebuke
yourself. You simply pay money and something else is killed to repay what you’ve done. Vicarious sacrifice they call it,
so basically there’s no breast beating. You just pay the money, buy an animal and it gets slaughtered in your place. I
mean this is a weird sort of religion here.
Jackie: That was the thing that got me when he said to Abraham, well you don’t have to kill your son. Just go get that
ram that’s caught in the bush and my thought was why would God want innocent little animals killed and let alone test
to see if you’re going to obey me – you take your son up there and kill him.
Alan: But it’s nothing to do with real people.
Jackie: I know that.
Alan: What you’re seeing is a system and this system is a wise-guy system. It’s a streetwise person system where the
elite and the cunning and the true predators are allowed to feed off the innocent. All the sacrifices you notice must be
innocent.
Jackie: I hadn’t thought about that, but it’s true, isn’t it?
Alan: It’s a streetwise thing because this system creates an innocent gullible public, or it did in the past at least, in order
to feed off of them and that’s what your peasant class did for thousands of years was to be fed on by this small elite. It’s
a man-made system. There’s no doubt about it. You have a Jehovah who wasn’t on Prozac then. He had no love in him. I
mean if you got in his bad books or he had a bad day he would just kill you and this again is all allegory. It’s telling you
a godfather system or a mafia type system, what you can get away with and what you can get away with is what Jacob
got away with or the symbolism of Jacob. You can lie and steal and even cheat your father for your brother’s birthright
and the godfather will bless you for doing it because you were very clever the way you did it, you see, and it’s a mafia
system. It truly is and it’s a complete system. That’s what it’s all about and even the high priests who set up the Catholic
Church were well aware of the same system, even though they pretended it was different. It was the same system and of
course you see it in all of their archaeology of the church. The church itself has the box and that’s the female womb and
they always have a spire, which you walk through at the base, and that’s the male phallic symbol. That’s how most
British parliaments across the world, the Commonwealth parliaments, are made the same way. The parliament in
England has the congressmen you might say, the MPs inside the box but they enter through the penis because all life for
the future begins with the male, the phallic symbol, so they walk through the base of the penis.
Jackie: Of course that’s purely in the material plane.
Alan: That’s right and then in Egypt the obelisk or phallic was called “the Ben-Ben”. You have two B’s. Ben-Ben and of
course Shakespeare puts it in his play, “To be, or not to be.” It’s another pun on the same thing and then of course in
Parliament in England you have Big Ben. Why would they call it Big Ben? This big spire that you have to walk through
and has a clock on it which tells you the time because it’s planning the destiny of the world. That’s what it meant.
Jackie: Oh wow and I remember reading about the big obelisk in front of the Vatican and they moved that from was it
Egypt, Alan?
Alan: Constantine’s son moved it initially from Egypt and that was a mammoth task in those days.
Jackie: I know it and anybody that made a mistake was killed on the spot.
Alan: That was later the second time. The first time they got it and they put it up in the circus where they had the games
and it was about 300 years ago the Pope had it moved from there in Rome to St. Peter’s Square. Everywhere they’ve
gone they’ve set up an obelisk and there’s one in that park in New York there. That was brought from Egypt as well and
there’s the obelisk outside the four banks of London and one outside the French Parliament.
Jackie: And a great big one in Washington, D.C.
Alan: Well, that was Washington’s greatest erection and that’s a new one. In other words, that wasn’t brought from
Egypt and that symbolizes the birth of the New World Order. That was the only new one they built. The rest of them
were imported from Egypt, which is highly symbolic. Washington really was meant to symbolize the New World Order,
Novus Ordo Seclorum.
Jackie: Yes. You made a statement back there and I made a little note here and I’d like to go back to it just as a question
that I have for clarification when you were talking about the fact that their plan is to eliminate the individual spirit or kill
the individual spirit. My concept of spirit of Creator would the eternal, that what the Creator creates is eternal, but
would the word soul of the individual, would that–
Alan: That’s closer.
Jackie: Because they say that the mind is the gateway to the soul?
Alan: Yes, the eye.
Jackie: The mind?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: The eyes are the window but the mind is the gateway to the soul and if that is true and it never occurred to me
ever until we began our conversation that an individual could “lose his soul,” but I can see that these insane creatures
actually and they can trap people in this physical plane.
Alan: There’s no doubt about it. They’ve been at this for a long, long time and in their religion of course they say that
the complete person is someone who has body, spirit and soul. That goes all the way back to Babylon and Egypt and of
course they say that the ordinary people, the commoners you might say, are born with soul, which is the animating
force, but the destiny of the soul is to find it’s own spirit and merge with it. If they can keep the person from doing that
then they have succeeded because the soul itself according to their religion and it goes all the way back through the
ancient religions, all the way back to India even, the soul only lasts 10 lifetimes and then it goes back into this “soup,”
this “sea” they call it.
Jackie: You mean if we haven’t made it in 10 lifetimes?
Alan: If they haven’t merged with spirit, and that was the whole mystery behind the explanation that makes no sense to
most people the way it’s told and that’s intentional of the journey of the KA as they call it in Egypt and the BA. What
they claim was – and they do it in such beautiful roundabout ways so that the people would see it exoterically, but the
initiates knew what they meant. What it meant was once they had died the KA, because they had already obtained
spirithood, stayed with the body. The BA went into the underworld, being the journeys and had to go through all these
perils and so on to find its own spirit and once it came back in the circle met the KA, then they could go up to this
heaven.
Jackie: Or go up to heaven.
Alan: Up to or wherever because they always said you rode with RA in his boat, his ark.
Jackie: Maybe the reason they used the word up is that it’s a higher frequency?
Alan: They also used it to symbolize an otherness, otherness from here, and since they used astronomy big time and
astrology and stellar movements, they always said it in astronomical terms. When you achieved your destiny,
exoterically, you rode the Ark across the sky. The Ark was a boat and that was the boat of RA and of course once you’d
made it you rode in that ark. That was the Ark of the Covenant, as you rode across the sky, you see, and that was for the
elite and for the elite only.
Jackie: Because they would keep the truth from the masses.
Alan: Always, yes.
Jackie: That would never be able to make that journey?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Okay. Here’s a thought. You said that it is said that after 10 times if we haven’t made it then it’s dissipated back
into the ethers, right?
Alan: That’s what they claimed.
Jackie: Well, I wonder, let’s say that a person is in their eighth lifetime and they begin on that journey, it just doesn’t
make sense to me that they might only have two lifetimes to get it all together, but maybe at least that they have begun
and maybe the first of course part of it is coming out of the lies, being able to literally let go. I received a donation and
there was a card in it and the note said that it’s okay to say I don’t understand the bible, but when I say we’ve been lied to
it makes it very difficult to support this broadcast and I really don’t know how to respond to that.
Alan: That’s a choice.
Jackie: Yes, exactly. Well, I don’t mean whether somebody’s going to support the broadcast or not, but that
requirement. It’s okay to say I don’t understand. Yes, I know how to respond. I don’t understand the esoteric, I know
that. But I do, I can read and I know what is not love. I may not have the full meaning or capacity of love at this point in
my journey but I know what isn’t love and I know what I’m leaving and I know that Jehovah of the Old Testament is not
love and so I could not say I don’t understand that. I do understand it, Alan. I understand it, at least well for where I’m at
right now.
Alan: That’s right. Jehovah again is a mafia figure. There’s no doubt about it. It’s a kickback system we’re talking about
here and of course Masonry came from it too in all of its forms, no matter what sect they call themselves, which is again
a kick back system. As they say, the workman is worthy of his wages, but what that also means is that the workman
who’s helped up the ladder in promotions and so on must also kick money upstairs. This whole system is a kickback
system. It’s a degreed kickback system including even the Catholic Church that came out of it. It incorporated all the
mystery religions, which really were all one, but they seemed different because they were given to different countries
and they just changed the names of the deities and so on. Look at the Pope who’s white, he’s the sun, and you look at the
Cardinals who are red and black, so they have spirit. Spirit and the force – the life force is always red. The black is law
and so they are law under the guidance of spirit, so it’s a degreed system; even the color-coding goes back all the way to
Pythagoras. He was taught this stuff in Egypt.
Jackie: Okay, let’s pick this up on the other side of this break. Alan Watt is our guest and as always, the conversation is
very moving. I don’t know what to say. I had a couple of examples I’d like to use because it is maybe confusing to
people. We were talking about discernment and the gentleman who wrote and said it’s okay to say I don’t understand but
when we say we’ve been lied to, but I’m talking just the Old Testament and here’s one that catches me. This is in
Matthew 18 in verse 6. Jesus is talking about the little children and he said, “who ever shall offend one of these little
ones which believe in me, it would be better for him that a millstone was hanged around his neck.” Well, to me, I don’t
think he said one of these little ones that believe on me, because all children were precious. All children are precious
and basically what I see this doing is any little child who doesn’t know about Jesus is doomed. That’s the way that
appears to me and for example in the Lord’s Prayer when we’re taught to say “lead us not into temptation but deliver us
from evil,” I remember that catching in my throat when I used to go to the Lutheran Church because what we are doing
is asking our loving Father, please don’t lead me into temptation and I knew that it couldn’t have been said that way.
Lead me out of temptation or away but not ask because a loving father – we wouldn’t lead our children into temptation
and why would we think that our Creator would ever do that. When you were mentioning the Catholic Church, well all
of that BS got brought down into the so-called Protestant churches–
Alan: Sure it did.
Jackie: And in the Lutheran Church this came into my mind the other day. It’s that song we used to sing. “Create in me a
clean heart oh God and renew a right spirit within me.” The next line, listen to this. “Cast me not away from your
presence and take not your holy spirit from me.” There we are begging again and folks, this is what I’m saying and these
are a few things and maybe Alan because he understands a lot deeper than I do the exoteric message in these things, but
for the untrained eye these are the things that pop out at you and it doesn’t mean that there isn’t truth but this is what
they’ve done. They’ve made us just absolutely – we’re supposed to love our God with all our heart, mind and soul and to
love a creature that is so hateful; a father, so to speak, that we have to beg him? It doesn’t make sense, does it, Alan?
Alan: No. As I say, it’s the old unstable deity that’s made in the image of man and it’s the image of the typical Middle
Eastern despot of ancient times because that’s how he was. He might give a present to a servant one day and have his
head cut off the next. That’s the unstable temperament that kept everybody on their toes and they never knew what mood
he would be in the following day. That’s what Jehovah is. If man was made in the shape of a triangle they’d make God
the same way. So that’s what they gave you was a Middle Eastern despot who could do whatever he wanted to.
Jackie: Yes and that’s what people will say if they can’t explain it. He can do anything he wants.
Alan: It’s always amazing that they give an Old Testament version to the general public but they don’t give you the rest
of it. They don’t give you the accompanying Talmud or the Mishnah and all the other stuff that explains the Old
Testament in a more esoteric fashion. The only reason I can come to that they did not give that to the general public is
they wanted a dumb, stupid, subservient, obedient, slaving public and that’s what they had for an awful long time.
Religion was always used against people to keep them in servitude for a small ruling elite.
Jackie: And to do wars and to enslave others because that was all done under the auspices of Jehovah.
Alan: They play games all the time. There is no media. There’s no news but it’s just news. It’s either indoctrination or
mocking the victim as they say and the public are the victims. Now you heard about that nonsense with Prince Harry.
It’s been all over the news about, oh dear, my goodness, Prince Harry turned up at a ball and it was a fancy dress ball
somewhere in England, private too, and it was supposed to be commonwealth and natives basically and he turned up as
a member of the Hitler youth with a Natzi armband and all the rest of it and of course the media goes to town over this.
This happens two weeks prior to the Queen going to the National Holocaust Museum in Europe to give a speech and
opening up the International Holocaust Day. It’s a bit coincidental but at the same time – so it brings to public awareness
of the holocaust industry but at the same time they missed what Prince William was wearing, because Prince William as
the papers said was dressed like a leopard, but that’s only part of the story. If you saw him on the TV in the brief flashes
that they gave you, he had the feet of a bear, the body of a leopard and the head of a lion – and that’s the description of
the beast in Revelations, so why was he wearing that to a fancy dress-do which would do with the dominion and
natives? They mock us all the time with their little messages even in this type of thing. There’s nothing on the media
that doesn’t have double meanings and a lot of jokes, inside jokes by the elite that rule this world and the public respond
to the exoteric the way it’s intended that they respond, through guilt, shame or whatever, and the elite laugh up their
sleeves all the time. Nothing is done on the media without having a very esoteric purpose and it always ends up with
indoctrination and swaying the public one way or another. It’s all mind control, all of it.
Jackie: I’m back. Were you complete with that?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: I had a call from Gary this evening and he was a little confused. You had mentioned Revelations. We were
talking about it last week the fact that if you’re writing it you would be able to write about what they’re plan is.
Alan: You reveal it, revelation.
Jackie: Reveal it. Oh, that’s right. That’s what you said. The Revelation is a revealing but I guess he’s wondering – I’ve
got books here on Revelations. I’ve got a three-volume set of books here that’s supposed to interpret what Revelations
means. I’ve read probably two dozen or more interpretations of Revelations and every single one of them is different. I
don’t understand it but I guess he’s wondering does this lay out the play as it’s playing out today?
Alan: Absolutely. It’s all astronomy. Every creature mentioned in Revelations is a zodiacal sign which appears at a
certain time and it’s a time clock of the heavens basically and so they’re following it right to the letter. The beast is in the
heavens.
Jackie: Who’s the beast?
Alan: The beast again – I should do a show on the whole thing.
Jackie: You know what? You just took the thought right out of my mind. You know what? You’re coming back
tomorrow, aren’t you?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Would you like to start now or would you like to get it and get prepared a little bit?
Alan: I should try and think it out to put it over simply to people because there’s a lot of astronomy involved in it.
Jackie: Okay and we can have our Bibles open and as you’re going through it and explaining your understanding of it
we could be reading along there.
Alan: Maybe I could do that next week. I’ll have to put it in very simple terms. I’ll have to go into the signs that we’ll
have. It’s all astronomy and even though in ancient times they have changed one or two of the characters in the zodiac. I
mean the Egyptians had a crocodile in there at one point and that was the beast of that time. They alter it every so often
and Draco was the Northern Constellation of the Northern Star before the earth tilted, which is historical, and Draco was
the flying serpent or dragon you might say.
Jackie: No, I don’t know because I am not familiar with Revelations. I know I know some verses from it that are used a
lot, but when you do this you’ll start right from the beginning?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: That is cool.
Alan: Every character even in the New Testament including Caiaphas who was the head of the Nasi party, the
Sanhedrin, the Sanhedrin that condemned Jesus, he was a Nasi as they called it in Hebrew. He was head of the Nasi
party.
Jackie: They called the Sanhedrin the Nasi, didn’t they?
Alan: The head is called the Nasi and actually it’s the new moon. The splinter or the finger, the sliver of the new moon
is also called the Nasi in Hebrew.
Jackie: And the Sanhedrin sat that way and also so does the U.N.
Alan: That’s right and the head man was Caiaphas, which means head in a sense, and he’s also an astrological sign, so
he’s also in the heavens. If you understand how the zodiac all comes around–
Jackie: Is this from the Kabbalah?
Alan: It’s pre-Kabbalah.
Jackie: Astrology is an ancient, ancient science, isn’t it?
Alan: It goes way back to even pre-Egypt.
Jackie: It’s interesting you brought this up. I was browsing through an astrology book today and it’s a book that I’ve had
and I don’t think I’ve ever read it but I was reading the introduction and explanation and this author which I think the
book was written around in the ’70’s. He was saying that astrology today is being understood, surely not in the way that
you do, but he said that even the U.S. government – he was saying that businesses et cetera have charts done and he said
that the U.S. government and Israel use astrology but he said he didn’t have any information as to whether any other
governments did or not. I found that very intriguing.
Alan: As I say, they wrote their plan–
Jackie: The U.S. and Israel, the twins you know?
Alan: They wrote their plans and they have long, long range plans in the zodiac and it’s all becoming fulfilled because
they knew where they wanted to get to and where they’re coming from. If you look at the constellations and you know
what they’re supposed to be, there’s no way you’d figure that out unless you saw it drawn out. These high priests long,
long ago sat and said we’ll make this Pegasus and we’ll make this so and so.
Jackie: Now is it true, I may have read this in Zecharia Sitchin’s book and I am clear that he matriculated at the London
School of Economics and when I found that out I knew there had to be hooks, but I don’t remember where I read it but
the fact that the Pleiades, I think. Is it called the “Seven Sisters” and that from where we are you can actually only see
six of them because one is behind the other and that in Sumerian, back that long ago, and you said that was, what, about
12,000 years actually, that they knew that there were seven stars in that star system.
Alan: Actually they knew there were more. You can see seven with the naked eye.
Jackie: You can see seven?
Alan: If your eyes are good and there’s actually more. However, there were nine at one point about 5,000 BC and one of
them went supernova, I guess, because it disappeared and that was recorded by the Greeks.
Jackie: Why do they call it the Seven Sisters then?
Alan: Again, it’s another part of their mythology as they hide a truth within a story. All of the main characters end up
getting put up in the sky as a god basically, although they began as human kings and that’s what it’s all about. It’s a pun
on their system of becoming gods and as they say, as above, so below and they would bring the New Jerusalem to earth.
They’re talking about the whole plan which they wrote in the heavens would be applied all across the world on the earth.
Jackie: So when we hear the elite and I know Rockefeller at least on a couple of occasions and I’ve heard this and read
it. “Our window of opportunity is now” and they’re using the astrological timeframe, aren’t they?
Alan: Yes they are. These guys literally go by this and they must stick to it and they do stick to it.
Jackie: And they believe in it?
Alan: Yes, because their ancestors wrote it a long time ago.
Jackie: Tell our listeners about 9/11. Would you explain it to us?
Alan: 9/11, I mean even the fact that they give you your emergency number as 911 and just the very fact you end up
with it happening on that date and it’s supposed to be all coincidence. Then again I think it was the Chicago Stock
Exchange that day finished at 911000 and then I think it was the New York Lottery also came out 911. I mean who’s
kidding who here? This is constant mockery.
Jackie: But that date September 11th was very relevant. You told us about that and I think we have time.
Alan: It’s to do again with a mythological character that came from Zeus who created more gods and the female
goddess, which became Britannia on the old British coin, who’s a queen of the heavens, she’s also a warrior, burst forth
from his head on the Ides of September.
Jackie: Was that Minerva?
Alan: That’s right, the warrior queen like Zena and what it signifies is something which could not have happened by
itself. It took supernatural coincidences to bring it all together. It was not a natural phenomenon. In other words, what
was going to come out of 9/11 had been planned that way and what was coming out of it was not a normal thing. It was
not a normal event. It was a super-planned event. That’s what it’s really telling you.
Jackie: Remember you told us about the rituals that they did.
Alan: They had high, high rituals to do with the ides and the bringing forth and all the rest of it of Minerva, but what
really is significant is what Minerva signifies, which is a new way. It’s a new way that could not have come into
existence by itself, by nature.
Jackie: So he burst her out of his head.
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: I remember you telling us something about an ancient ritual that they used to do involved around that date and
that it was a very important date and it had to do with horses and the colors of the robes or something?
Alan: They definitely portrayed Jupiter riding the horses around the city and whoever portrayed the part of Jupiter was
painted red driving his white horses.
Jackie: That would be the blood.
Alan: That’s right and they also have a similar thing in again the Talmud to do with Solomon, which is the sun. Sol-omon
is the sun in three different languages because that’s what it really represents is the illumined man. The illuminati, the
illumined man and he also rode his six white steeds around the city.
Jackie: It was this particular event at that particular date in September and I remember doing research on the Internet
and I found it and you had mentioned I think it was between the 11th and 13th and that if they hadn’t accomplished what
they wanted to with 9/11, something else was going to happen to make sure that what they planned.
You know it’s getting late here. We’ve got about three or four minutes left I guess but I was reading today about and I
wanted to share it with our listeners. I couldn’t find the bill but it’s a draft bill and it includes all children 18 to 26.
They’re working on that and it’s passed one of the chambers in the U.S. Congress and I’m going to hopefully have it
tomorrow night. You know when you and I talk, Alan, it’s like my mind starts exploding and I can’t grab my thoughts or
my questions fast enough to hang on to them.
Alan: As I say, that was the Sol-om-on.
Jackie: Oh, I know what it was. I’m sorry. Okay. You know how Kerry during the campaign? Well I don’t know if you
know but he said there will be no draft and then of course he added, “unless we’re attacked” and it occurred to me today
if they’re having a big uproar and opposition they’ll see to it that we get attacked so they can initiate. I’m sorry to say that
but it’s like a given. You get to see the pattern when we begin to understand past history. They just keep repeating it
because it works.
Alan: It’s works and the public think they could never do that because it’s so horrific.
Jackie: Probably what was said in the email that I got, probably they’ll go ahead and pass it right around the time of the
inauguration while people’s minds are on the inauguration.
Alan: Yes, plus on the news here in Canada I think it was Wolfowitz that came out now pressing for war on Iran and
Syria and of course that’s all part of the New American Century plan that they wrote back in the ’90’s, so they’re going to
that plan and how fortunate for them 9/11 came along.
Jackie: We’re out of our hour with you and you’ll be back tomorrow night.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
January 18, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Tuesday
the 18th of January in the year 2005. Alan Watt is again with us tonight.
Our spiritual message this evening is from John 18. This is the conversation that Jesus was having with
Pontius Pilate and Pontius Pilate asked him if he was a king. Wait, let me back up here. This is what I wanted
to get first. Pontius Pilate asked him what he’d done because his chief priest. Those were the Pharisees,
folks. Those are the rabbis of today by the way. Those are the priests of Jehovah that delivered thee unto
me. Pontius Pilate said, “What have you done?” and Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my
kingdom were of this world then would my servants fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews but now
is my kingdom not from hence” and then Pontius Pilate said, “Well are you a king then?” Jesus said, “You say
that I am a king. To this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world that I should bear witness
unto the truth. Everyone that is of the truth hears my voice.”
I want to go back if we could to the verse before there where Jesus said, “my kingdom is not of this world
and if my kingdom were of this world then would my servants fight that I should not be delivered to the
Jews but now is my kingdom not from hence.” I can’t imagine Jesus referring to any of his followers or
disciples as servants and that they should fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews. I don’t think the
word Jew existed back in those days, did it?
Alan: No.
Jackie: At that time?
Alan: No.
Jackie: Then he says “but now is my kingdom not from hence” and one of the things that people who are
very much believing in oh there is going to be a second coming and that when Jesus gets here his throne will
be in Jerusalem and there will be a thousand years of peace. The way they justify this one or understand, I
should say, is he said “now is my kingdom not from hence.” In other words, it will be later. Would you
comment on that?
Alan: Again it’s —
Jackie: Putting words in his mouth?
Alan: Sort of, but it’s also tacking on the age. Every age is given a god figure and of course that was the
beginning of the Age of Pisces and that’s why in the New Testament when he’s going to ride into glory on a
donkey he tells them to go and find a young colt tied and his master will be carrying a picture of water,
which is Aquarius. That’s why that’s written like that, so his time of glory would last from then until Aquarius.
Jackie: Until the Age of Aquarius?
Alan: Yes. The priesthoods have always used somebody or as a martyr figure but always used the story for
every age in a disguised form. Of course in Egypt you had Osiris and Isis the mother and Horus the son and
eventually they had the Greeks made into Adonis, which is the same thing as Horus, and then that became
Adonai of the Jews. They call god generally Adonai.
Jackie: This deal about my servants, if my kingdom was of this world then my servants would fight. That
sounds like a made-up thing.
Alan: Yes it is. I think you’d find that rulers again who created the Christian movement long after that
period had to put in their own spin on things obviously, but there in that particular instance Jesus is
symbolizing pure spirit and of course a battle in the physical realm again is the physical realm. It’s the two
worlds. The one of matter and the one of spirit and he is showing the way to fulfill the spiritual quest in
other words. That’s what the whole story is about. It’s a spiritual quest and the world in other words would
always be base because it always was base and it’s still base under all the polish and so on, it’s still a very
base planet. Therefore the spiritual quest has succumbed you might say to the quest in the world of matter
for the ownership of more matter and that’s the way it’s always been here.
Jackie: Cycle after cycle after cycle.
Alan: The first fall of man was into matter. That’s what they said in ancient times.
Jackie: That makes sense to me and I truly wonder, truly wonder as spiritual beings why we ever came here
in the first place unless it was to experiment. Now I don’t know if this is so, but I have read and it makes
sense, but there are spiritual being that never actually take physical flesh.
Alan: Again, the only you can prove something–
Jackie: I know, seeing it or be there.
Alan: Until you have the proof and the proof can never be because someone said so. That’s how they create
their religions that end up lording over us you might say.
Jackie: Let me ask you this. I know that there are a lot of charlatans. Do you believe that it is possible for
people to channel disincarned entities?
Alan: Oh yes, I believe that, but I don’t say these entities are generally what they claim that they are.
Jackie: Or maybe have anymore. I don’t know. For example the Seth material is very – have you ever read
that Alan?
Alan: What’s it called?
Jackie: The Seth material.
Alan: I don’t think so.
Jackie: The information that – well, never mind. We won’t go into it. I’ve read a lot of books and you’ve said
this yourself. If you read enough books from different sources and there is a thread that there’s probably
truth to it and maybe the possibility is that there are disincarned entities that mean no harm and that are
bringing some information to help mankind. Why couldn’t that be a possibility?
Alan: Generally you’ll find it’s the same messages though, and of course in the ’60’s there was a whole
myriad of groups came out of the human potential movement. It was pushed by the Rockefellers and all the
big boys.
Jackie: Were they doing some harmful work?
Alan: What it was to do was to actually get people into this whole thing of channeling basically.
Jackie: I would think that would be very, very dangerous.
Alan: Oh yes. I mean if you’re bringing something into you and you’re taking its word that it is what it says
it is and you’re opening up a doorway which it then can then come in any time it wishes to. I’ve no doubt on
that because that’s something I don’t believe, It’s something I’ve experienced in other people which I
couldn’t deny. There is no scientific explanation but I’ve seen people you might say “possessed.”
Jackie: That you could actually see that it wasn’t them when they were talking?
Alan: Yes. I couldn’t contradict it, couldn’t deny it and there’s no scientific explanation for it. When you
study Masonry and all of the groups including the higher Wiccanism, all the groups that are running the show
today basically in religion, they’re all into channeling entities and the higher Masons do this. They channel
entities.
Jackie: We talked about this on the air, didn’t we, about the high Masons who actually receive an entity to
share their physical body.
Alan: In the very high degrees they do.
Jackie: I’ll bet there are some that don’t have to be in high degrees of Masonry.
Alan: You’ll see it in some of the lower people too and you’ll find that people who are not as well in
Masonry, but Masonry in its higher levels actually encourages it.
Jackie: You had told us and I think you touched on it one night but it’s been quite a while ago and maybe
you could address this again that we’re kind of on this track. The pyramid that they have set up where
they’re doing – do you know what I’m talking about?
Alan: The triangle.
Jackie: The triangle, thank you. Talk about that again, would you? Explain it again.
Alan: One of the biggest groups that led this movement, the Masonic group again promoted by the
Rockefeller Foundation heavily, was theosophy and they set up triangles, large ones and smaller ones within
where they will meet in certain lodges on different parts of the map and form these triangles and literally
meditate their will upon all the inhabitants contained therein.
Jackie: I think it’s important hopefully for our listeners, folks, think about this what Alan is telling us and
realize that these people at the top have the secrets of the ages you might say and they’re very well aware
of the power that resides. It isn’t just they who have this power. It is each and every one of us if we access
it and so not seeming so far out of bounds because Jesus said it in many ways, Alan. He said it in many
ways. Number One: “The kingdom of God is within you. Ye are the light of the world” and so therefore it
brings back to mind the importance for us to the way we be. You said this several years ago that it’s up to
each and every individual because everything we do, everything we say, everything we think is impacting not
just this physical realm but every dimension.
Alan: That’s right. The higher Masons when they’re talking about changes in society, major changes, they’ll
call it “The Spirit of the Age” and “The Spirit of the Age” is basically the form that this sort of mental psychic
form they create, also through propaganda and TV and media and so on, to promote these things. In other
words, they give you the ‘in thing’ to do, the trendy the way to be for this particular period, The Spirit of the
Age, and they claim that they force their will to do so. I’ve actually got a tape where Rockefeller talks about
this. All of the parts of the changes of society and the directions that we’re going into are all calculated prior
to the public ever hearing of them or seeing them implemented and they’re willed into existence basically.
Jackie: Yes, of course they have a little help don’t they, Alan, with all their technology – all their control of
education, entertainment, the media, governments, the monetary economic system. They’ve got a little bit of
– well, but it’s all on the material level.
Alan: That’s right and think tanks. Lots of think tanks.
Jackie: Their think tanks yes and the one thing I do know is that there is no power in this world greater than
the power of Creator, so it doesn’t mean that they’re going to be successful. It appears right now that
they’re on the road to success.
Alan: They get to the brink of dominance, but there’s a truth here within even the ancient mysteries that
contained all of this information long, long ago that the world is in a balance. It’s like the balance of nature.
Things have to be in balance and when evil tips the scales so much then something has to give. It cannot
simply be successful and stay that way. Eventually the good has to overtake it and destroy it and it’s
something of course that man or base man you might say never learns. The people you’re taught to respect
in high positions are corrupt people. These are the only people who climb and claw their way up to the high
positions because they have a lust for power which ordinary people cannot fathom. They cannot understand
it and so it’s presented to the public that they are just there as good public servants et cetera, but there’s
not one case on TV in the line of politics that didn’t crave that position and they’d do anything and say
anything to get there. That’s the problem. In every age you’re top-heavy with dynasties you might say,
ruling dynasties and oligarchies and families, very wealthy, who crave total power and it literally goes to their
heads and they bring chaos upon the world in the process.
Jackie: A question here or a thought. You mentioned last night that the ancient mysteries or truths that we
get 10 times around here and if we aren’t in our spiritual consciousness by then, then the energy that is in
our maybe personality, soul that it just dissipates back into the ethers.
Alan: That’s a belief that the Hindus have and that’s very, very old because so much of all religions come
from – there’s no doubt there’s a connection with India.
Jackie: What about these creatures? They don’t understand that the laws of creation are immutable. That as
we sow, so shall we reap. They don’t understand this?
Alan: They understand this very well. It’s their arrogance. You see, they’re so arrogant and sure of
themselves and the more they get away with, the more sure of themselves they are and it’s their nature. It’s
in their nature. It’s like the old story of crossing the water on the back of scorpion and it promises not to
sting you and you’re halfway across and it stings you. When you ask why did it do it, it says, it’s my nature;
and that’s the nature of these creatures. They really believe that through science and planning and
cunningness they can actually avoid it this time around. It’s in their nature, you see. It’s no different from
someone who’s a real hardened drug addict. These people are addicted to power as you cannot imagine.
They have a lust for it, a craving for it. They think about it night and day. It consumes their entire life.
Jackie: How do you know that?
Alan: Simply by studying them, when you really study them.
Jackie: You get a sense or a feel?
Alan: Down through the centuries you’ll see them. It’s the same pattern over and over and over and these
people cannot let go of power. That’s why they never retire. They don’t say, well, I’m 65, I’ve got millions of
dollars, I’ll put my feet up and enjoy myself.
Jackie: Because they are enjoying themselves.
Alan: That’s right. They have to be in the limelight. They have to mix with their own kind. They want to
have the ordinary people kowtowing to them and they have this lust. See, it’s an insatiable lust. You can’t
say I’ll give you a shot of 100 milligrams of cocaine and that will do you, you see. It’s an insatiable lust for
power that cannot be satisfied and hence they go the whole way.
Jackie: The fame and fortune that come with it. Like you said being out in the limelight.
Alan: That’s why they cannot retire. You’ll see them all in their 80’s even still going around the world giving
speeches and so on, heavily involved. They don’t retire because they’re addicted to power and there’s no
amount of power that would ever satisfy them. That’s the problem because they’re addicts.
Jackie: Remember that quote a long time ago that you made that Toynbee said that basically it had
something to do with the power behind those people that believe they’re in power and to refresh you in
case. We were talking about the fact that the ruling force, unseen hand, whatever we would call it, is very
clear about the power within all of us, but these creatures that are doing the work here, the ones that you
said that are really behind it, we’ve never even heard their names. They believe that they’re God and they
believe that they will reincarnate right back into the same families but we won’t. Do you recall that statement
from Toynbee?
Alan: When he was talking about the power within?
Jackie: Yes.
Alan: Arnold Toynbee was a professor at Oxford University and he taught the Rhodes Scholars. He taught
the Bill Clinton types you see for world dominion. That’s what the Rhodes Scholarship was set up to do.
Jackie: Where did you say he was a professor?
Alan: Oxford University. Oxford on Isis they call it. It’s always been called that.
Jackie: Oxford on Isis.
Alan: Yes. Where the river runs through there they call it the Isis and that goes back to the 11th century.
These guys have been at this for a long time. Anyway, he was giving a speech to world internationalists and
communists and so on and I think the speech was in Denmark and 1932 and he said, “when an original
thought is created it’s immediately transmitted across the globe and certain people will receive it at the same
time it’s released.” He said, “we know how to use this power,” but he was also aware that the masses were
ignorant of the fact that they could also do it and so basically what he was saying was that he and his kind,
his ruling elite as he believed, and he belonged to aristocracy, very old aristocracy. He believed that they
literally willed their plan into existence and those who would help them would pick up their thoughts and
work it out, and that’s basically what they do.
Jackie: But the same goes for us.
Alan: Yes, but the public are not supposed to know that, you see. We’re supposed to believe that there’s
nothing except science and that’s why they had to eradicate all the old religions, which, mind you, they also
gave you as well. They’re defunct now. They’ve done their job. Now you must believe in nothing but science
and the state. The state becomes god and as long as you believe that, you’re imprisoned forever. That’s the
idea. They don’t want the public to know that this is your individual journey as a spiritual being and no one
else can take that from you or show you where you must go. However, the second fall of man, according to
these same people, the first fall is the fall into matter and they wish to fulfill their plan by the second fall,
which is to encase man forever in the world of matter.
Jackie: You know we’ve talked about this. Actually, I remember when it was. Right around the time of 9/11
we were having a lot of conversations and in the conversation that we were having was one that occurred to
me that when we leave this physical realm, when we come back we bring back with us what it is we left with
and if they can shorten a life – in other words, if we’ve begun on the path on the journey, let’s say to
spiritual consciousness, there is a remembrance. I’m just clear on that because of certain things that I knew
as a little child, I knew, there were just things I knew and so therefore if they can keep people totally in the
lie and maintain what they have created as a perceived separation between us and Creator, well then when
we come back it’s the same old thing. It’s almost like a computer. You put junk in and you get junk out.
Alan: That’s what the pharaohs said. The pharaohs claimed they perfected the slave population so they’d
always come back as perfect slaves.
Jackie: So it’s really so critical that we get out of the lie.
Alan: It’s not so easy because pretty well everything is nothing but lies – ancient history, recent history is
still being changed by the year with every book that comes out. I just watched a documentary done by the
CBC on the now official version of how the Free Trade Agreement came to conclusion, and I’ve never seen
so much fantasy in my life. They never went into the fact that the Free Trade Agreement goes back to the
1500’s, that wasn’t mentioned at all, because when John Dee went to Queen Elizabeth I and talked about a
British or “Brytish” Empire with free trade between countries that would join this commonwealth – and the
free exchange of labor, because the elite knew they’d have to move the laboring classes into new countries
to do manufacturing, clearing all the lands and all this kind of stuff. That was in the 1500’s, so the free flow
of labor and goods would have to be part of free trade.
Jackie: We’re going to be taking a break now. I’m here, Alan.
Alan: Getting back to this CBC documentary on the Free Trade Agreement, it was presented as though it
was the greatest thing that Canadians wanted and how we’d all so benefited from it financially. Of course,
the way it came about, it just sort of happened to be the right time for it to come into play and forces sort of
pushed it into play, natural forces, and it just sort of happened that way. However, in reality it’s utter
rubbish, there was so much scheming that went into the Free Trade Negotiations, it was planned with the
creation of the British empire in the 1500’s, including, as I say, the free movement of the laboring classes
between continents as they had to do to clear the lands and so on. They’re constantly changing history and
presenting it to the public, who don’t seem to notice, even though they lived through the changes, they don’t
seem to remember it as it really was, even if it was only a few years ago. The children that go to school
haven’t a clue, all they’re told is the official version and they believe it, so history is always being altered.
Jackie: I’ve got this book and I’ve referenced it before, it’s Harper Collins Atlas of World History, and on
page 70 it’s the Jewish Diaspora from AD 70 to 1497. “For over 2000 years the history of the Jews has been
an external dispersion and internal cohesion. The political, military and religious reverses in Judea only
affected to a small extent the status of Jews in the Roman Empire and the even larger number of Jews living
in Babylonia. The resilience of Judaism after the setback in AD 70 may be explained in part by the evolution
of the Jewish religion following the destruction of the first temple, when a system based on a temple and
sacrifices was complimented by one based on the synagogue and prayer. The new religious forms gave
influence to the interpreters of Biblical law. The philosophy underlying such interpretation varied. One group
of interpreters, the Pharisees, became particularly influential some time after the middle of the second
century BC and after AD 70 they evolved into rabbis, a second important factor was the codification of
Jewish law, both civil and religious, carried out in Palestine around AD 200 by Rabbi Judah…” “…The Muslim
conquest in Spain in 711 AD brought respite which culminated in golden age of Spanish Jewry…” “…from
about the fifth century this changed and Jews became identified with international and regional trade.
Internal and external factors including the widespread dispersal of Jews, both in Islamic lands and
throughout Christian Europe, Jewish group solidarity, facility linguistics communication, and uniform system
of commercial law based on the Talmud accounted for this change…” “…Carolingian rulers aware of the role
of Jews’ role in international trade granted them special charters assuring them of protection, commercial
privileges, and the right to govern themselves according to their own laws…”
Alan: They still have their own places where they settle disputes.
Jackie: You said that was around 1500; this is AD 70 – 1497, bringing us right into that era.
Alan: John Dee was a Kabbalist, as was Francis Bacon. They both studied the Kabbalah. We’re talking about
a mystery religion that comes out of Babylon, and it preexisted Babylon, it comes down through the
centuries like a phoenix bird, it changes its form every four to five-hundred years, hides behind different
forms, but really it’s a small elite behind most of the “feathers”, you might say. “Phoenicians” is a play on the
“phoenix”; one of their capitals in the Middle Ages was Venice—substitute ‘F’ (Ph) for a ‘V’ and you have
Venice. If you take Venus the planet and chart its course through the heavens over a year, it makes the socalled
Star of David. This Star of David was never David’s star; you find it all the way back through Babylon
and all the way to India.
Jackie: How do the Jesuits figure into all of this? Because when you mentioned Venice, I read quite a long
thing about their control of trade and commerce in Venice.
Alan: The Jesuits, they have their P.R. thing they started up to fight this new thing created by one of their
members, Martin Luther, Protestant sect.
Jackie: Was he a Jesuit?
Alan: He was definitely a Rosicrucian; in fact, that’s on his coat of arms, his family crest, the rose and cross.
Of course the Catholic Church at that time was burning everybody it didn’t like and all it did with Martin
Luther was call him in for a few questions and let him go. Why did they let him go? It was because it was
the right time to create an opposition for the upcoming industrial age in creating the Protestant sect with the
“Protestant work ethic,” that was important.
Ignatius Loyola was a member of the Alumbrados, the Spanish Illuminati sect of his day, and he was
captured by the Pope’s army who he’d fought against. They had him in prison and then he was granted an
audience with the Pope; after the audience he walked out as the first head of Jesuit order. He was a very
powerful man, obviously, the Pope (being a secret society at the top) understood exactly where this man had
come from and granted him this power. Why would a Pope grant a man who was a known member of the
Alumbrado, Illuminati sect that came from the Knights Templars, why would he give him the headship of a
brand new powerful order?
Jackie: Some people say it’s the Illuminati behind all this; and yet, the Illuminati is part of it, yes?
Alan: It’s part of it. You must create opposites, always, all the time, and you must always have conflict on
the go to create the changes they want and to reap the financial rewards. Wars are terribly lucrative to those
who lend the money and carry the shipments and so on. The Jesuits planned to take down many countries
which had become Protestant, and you had thirty-year wars going on and fifty-year wars in Europe over this
Protestant-Catholic thing. Very lucrative to certain people and it’s all arranged that way. The mystery religion
is contained in every religion, including Buddhism.
Jackie: Somebody had written up a paper and was quoting statements allegedly made by the Buddha
(Prince Siddhartha was it?) and also Jesus, all of the masters, “teachers” if you would, that have come in to
this world to “bear witness unto the truth,” they had the same message. It occurred to me that whatever
Buddhism is today, it wouldn’t be about the teachings, the real teachings, the same way that Christianity –
they leave a little bit in, but all of the religions, it doesn’t matter which one it is, they’ve all been man-made.
Alan: Mystery Babylon was the mystery because it was so hard to exactly say what it was, because it
contained all of the religions of its time, it updated all of the religions of its time, and it altered all of the
religions of its time. It was also a commercial system incorporated within it, with an ordered bureaucratic
system to run the whole show. Mystery Babylon was and is today; it’s still the same thing today. However,
when the Buddha died, the sects who got together, and by that time there were many different sects that
had minor differences.
Jackie: Just like the followers of Jesus.
Alan: Just like Constantine’s big setup about 300 years after he died, they got together and created the
official version and codified it and put the laws down and the rules and all the rest of it.
Jackie: For our listeners, that would have been the first Council of Nicea in, what was it, 325 AD? I do have
a small book on this a man wrote in 1916 and he quoted from the ancient historians back at that time. In
fact, I read lots of the book to our listeners, it’s a little book, I found it in a small little bookstore down in
Philly. Basically, I know that many people, those who have believed, that the “Bible” or “Holy Bible” is the
divinely inspired word of God; and if enough people could read that book, when you read the speech that
was allegedly given by Constantine there, he was dialoging those bishops to consensus. That’s exactly what
he did and they voted, like you said, they came up with what the dogma and doctrine was going to be; and
anybody that didn’t go along with it was anathematized. In fact, it did mention Arius their bishop and
basically what I could understand what he was teaching was what Jesus taught – he was the son of God, so
he was created – this is what got him anathematized, and that we are all the sons of God, so they ejected
him from the church and anathematized him. That means that he was worthy of being killed and he was of
course no longer a bishop and his information was evidently so critically important that Constantine declared,
decreed anybody caught with any of Arius’ writings would be put to death. Arius was put to death when he
was brought back.
Alan: He was put to death in “love,” you see.
Jackie: Put to death in love, yeah, right. When they brought him back and they were going to reinstate him
—
Alan: They poisoned him.
Jackie: Will Durant in his “History of Civilization” about Caesar and Jesus, he described his death in public –
and the man not only evacuated his bowels, but his internal organs, his spleen, his liver, right in public. This
is length that they go to keep truth from the people. I hope that our listeners who are listening to this, that
the last thing in the world that I want to do, and I know that is so for you, is to discourage people – but that
it could be encouraging to be released from the kind that has been promulgated, fear of God. It’s literally
fear of God and anybody would fear that god Jehovah. I remember once, a long time ago, one of our
listeners called in and he said: if we don’t have this to hold on to, what do we have? I said: the truth. The
truth, that’s what we have to hold on to. I know that it’s hurtful sometimes, but if we really think it out and
we should be grateful and giving thanks that we are beginning to discover the truth.
Alan: Yes, because with it comes a tremendous release when you understand and you accept the fact that
everything has been covered with so many lies for political reasons and for control purposes. That’s why
organized religions are called organized religions; they’re authorized.
Jackie: They are organized.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
July 6, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is
Wednesday. It is the 6th of July in the year 2005. It is end of our broadcast week, Monday through
Wednesday now. It goes pretty fast. Last night I was reading to you from the third book that Alan Watt has
written titled “Cutting Through” and Alan is with us tonight so maybe we can discuss some of what’s in the
book. I have some questions myself about this situation, the Hapiru or Habiru, and maybe Alan can clear it
up and I thought it would be a good idea to do that on the air because sometimes Alan and I have
conversations off air and that I am so regretful that I wasn’t tape recording because you can never repeat it.
Jackie: Okay. Let me tell you where my confusion is. The Habiru or Hapiru are spelled differently but they
seem to have been – well, they talked about 1500 BC where they were written in the ancient accounts and
obviously before that. That word back then meant the “dusty ones” because they were the caravaneers or
whatever you call them, the merchants, the bankers, the gold and silver and money lenders, et cetera, the
controllers. Okay. Would that be the priesthood, Alan?
Alan: I think they were probably were not the actual priesthood, generally speaking. They would run a
hierarchy though. There’s no doubt there would be some sort of coordination of a hierarchy because they all
had exactly the same system regardless of which countries they had run into and which countries they were
trading with. They were all using the same weights and measures wherever they went, which goes back to a
common source and it was primarily silver they were introducing into those countries in those days. They
had sources of silver and they also owned the mines in fact.
Jackie: And those were what they referred to as the Habiru?
Alan: Yes. The spelling is irrelevant. The Greeks wrote it one way and another bunch would write another
way. It’s the phonetic pronunciation that’s important, so whether there’s an H there or not doesn’t matter.
Jackie: Oh where you put the emphasis on which–
Alan: Yes, because it was a term to describe the same and they were all Aramaic speaking people and they
traded all the way from the Middle East into India and back again. In fact, Aramaic was the common trade
language from basically the Aramean area right through the Middle East and across to India. That was the
language of trade you might say was Aramaic.
Jackie: Maybe you don’t know, but it seemed to me that they would have to have learned to speak the
languages of the people with whom they traded.
Alan: They did. Sometimes the banker ones, the higher orders of them, would settle in a city for a period of
time.
Jackie: To take over that city?
Alan: They’d settle in the city and most of them settled outside the city. They were nomadic people. They
were always nomadic by nature and hence they had no city of their own basically, most of the time anyway.
They’d settle on the outskirts of the city and seemed to have a disdain for the city people and I have no
doubt that the city people had a disdain for them too because their whole business was haggling – haggling
over the price of things and the price of goods and so on, which isn’t a pleasant thing you know. However,
that was their nature was to haggle for a good deal, but wherever they went they tried to introduce the
silver monetary system, first by weighing and then eventually when coinage came along they introduced the
coins.
Jackie: Because those were weighed out perfectly already.
Alan: It’s known too that these – they had different names for them. The Phoenicians basically were almost
the seafaring branch of the same people, so the Phoenicians seem to be of the same people. It was almost a
brotherhood really.
Jackie: See, it’s really confusing to me.
Alan: It isn’t so confusing because it’s like any brotherhood that’s in on a big scam. You have to have
secrecy. You have to keep apart from the other people and you’d have to instill it into your followers to keep
apart from other people so that they wouldn’t loose their mouths off and let the game away that they were
into so many different scams.
Jackie: In the Armana letters that you quote here, it says, “There was also a large and apparently increasing
class of stateless and reputedly lawless people in Palestine and Syria to whom the appellation Apiru (or
Habiru) was given. It has now become certain that they were a class of heterogenous (mixed races) ethnic
origin…” Well, what were their races?
Alan: That was a later – the term again seemed to be used again for another bunch who came along who
joined them and these were a mercenary class which had originated from people who’d been cast out of
tribes and cast out of cities. They were kicked out and so they became another branch of the brotherhood
and that’s where centered themselves and they would lease themselves out for hire as mercenaries.
Jackie: All right. How does that connect up with the people today that we know as Jews? That they call
themselves Jews so that’s the only thing I know to call them.
Alan: The ones today of course, they primarily come from the Khazarian lineage which was centered around
the Black sea area and converted en masse to Judaism around the 5th or 6th century AD.
Jackie: 740 AD I think I read. I would have been around there.
Alan: Most of them don’t have any lineage too, what was traditionally – in fact in Judaism didn’t appear until
the fall of Babylon and that’s when a group of people came out of there with the Pharisees leading them and
that’s when the first time in history that the term Jew or Judaic people was mentioned.
Jackie: And they call them Jews but actually it would be more appropriate to call them Talmudists. I mean
it’s a religion that binds them all.
Alan: It was a religion that was born in Babylon. There’s no secret there because rabbis will tell you that
there are two – one is a continuation of the other. In other words, the Judaic or the Exodus of leaving
Babylon, the one that was written or compiled after that is really an extension of the part that was
condensed inside Babylon; and when they come to points of doctrine, if there’s a conflict, the Babylonian
Talmud gets precedence over the other.
Jackie: Well okay. Where was the other – what do you mean the other?
Alan: The other one was a continuation because they were still writing the Talmud when they came out and
they continued it for a long time.
Jackie: So it would basically be the Babylonian Talmud?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And they would be Talmudists?
Alan: Well, they would be, but the Pharisees themselves were a separate sect. In fact, they were a secret
brotherhood, very small in fact, initially, 2,000 years ago, and they were only one small sect among many
but they did have an awful lot of money, so they had power because of money. Part of the tradition at that
time 2,000 years ago was to treat their fellow Jews they supposedly looked after no better than anyone else,
because in a sense the Pharisaic tradition coming out of Babylon was the ancient Illuminati of its day.
Jackie: And they weren’t even of the same race as the people that they took over there?
Alan: Are you talking about the ones who went back recently?
Jackie: No. When they came out and they went and they read the new law to the people, there is an
account of that in the Old Testament and said the people wept because the people had already begun to
intermingle.
Alan: Also, one of them found a holy book and so they didn’t even know what their own laws were
supposed to have been. I mean it’s such nonsense; it’s a fairy tale. You do understand this is a fairy tale?
Jackie: Yes.
Alan: It’s a foundation myth you see and in foundations myths they always make up a lot of things to try
and justify something which never really happened and that’s why you have so many contradictions.
However, in reality, Judaism came on the scene for the first time with anything at all to do with what we
now know as the New Testament. It came on the scene only about 400 BC.
Jackie: And a lot of what was involved in that, of course there were a lot of made up stories.
Alan: They were all borrowed stories.
Jackie: Exactly and they used some actual history to weave it in about and around their sect of people, the
people that they lassoed into that “religion?”
Alan: You’ve got to understand that in all times, more so back then, you had a military peasant class with a
priesthood – no different from the Catholic Church up until a couple of hundred years ago, and it was quite
easy for a bunch of priests to say, “hey, you used to belong to this land and your ancestors used to live here
and here’s what your history is,” and it could be all brand new to them you see, because all they did was
release a bunch of slaves out of Babylon and those slaves themselves became a–
Jackie: Were those a mix of people also?
Alan: There’s no doubt about it. How could you lose your language when you’ve been in captivity for less
than 100 years?
Jackie: What do you mean by that?
Alan: Supposedly they went in speaking Hebraic and came out speaking Aramaic.
Jackie: So what is the Hebrew language?
Alan: The Hebrew language really is a much later compilation. In fact, it wasn’t until Maimonides in about
the 12th century or so, who was the high-rabbi as they called him of his day, it wasn’t until he put the
language together what they called properly. In other words, he filled in all the vowel points, which were not
there. Without the vowels what they used to do was write the consonants and just a little pencil point where
a vowel would be because there were so many dialects that different people would put down different
vowels in the word. What Maimonides did was to officially put down into law basically what the vowels were
so they’d all say the same words and pronounce them the same, but without those particular vowels it was
just generally Aramaic. It wasn’t different from anything else.
Jackie: Wasn’t it Maimonides that said or at least he was quoted as saying that even the best of Christians
are worthy of death?
Alan: He didn’t write so much on Christians. He wrote more so on Moslems because most of them lived in
the Moslem countries in those days and they had to move from one to another due to warfare. What he did
do was to give “Guidelines to the Perplexed.” That was the title of it. That’s where he laid down the rules of
how to survive in other people’s countries.
Jackie: Is that the 600 and some Halakah or their laws?
Alan: He wrote an awful lot of laws down, but he himself was not a – see, there’s different kinds of Judaism
and that what people fail to realize. He himself did not believe in the supernatural stories of the Old
Testament and other rabbis were against him because of that. He was a very much a rationalist in his way of
approaching things. After he died there were actually fights in different Middle Eastern countries, fights to
the death between rival groups of Jews – one supporting Maimonides and one supporting the traditional
mystical type of rabbinical studies. Maimonides caused a lot of problems after he died because of the laws
and so on he’d written.
Jackie: So these people who became “Jews” because of this religion that this priesthood made up for them,
they were of a mixed race also.What about the “12 Tribes”? Was it 10 or 12 tribes?
Alan: There was never any 12 Tribes of Israel.
Jackie: Were there ever 10?
Alan: No.
Jackie: What were there?
Alan: There was none. It’s a made-up history which never existed.
Jackie: So the Benjamites and the–
Alan: It’s all nonsense.
Jackie: All of it?
Alan: It’s all in that third book. It’s all zodiacal constellations. It’s not to do with real people.
Jackie: Okay. What I was thinking that they used those names in the book where it has all the different
names of each of the leaders of each of those tribes, Daniel and all of them, so those were made up names
too? They did not exist as people?
Alan: Not as people, no. In fact, most of them were titles to the sun. They were titles of the sun or titles of
the godhead and Daniel is: “God judges.” It’s just like when the Christians give titles to Jehovah:
Jehovahjireh and Jehovah-this and Jehovah-that. These are all titles.
Jackie: There are those who say it is not Jehovah. It is Yahweh.
Alan: Well, the mouth of madness is very big and you’ll find that there are many people whiling around in
the whirlpool inside and that’s what religion is for. It’s like Christianity, it’s so ridiculous the way it’s gone.
You’ve got one group almost falling out with another group because one stands on one leg and waves their
arms in the air and one stands on the other. It’s ridiculous and that’s the mouth of madness.
Jackie: All right. Let’s go back to the Khazars. We were talking one time. This was quite some time ago and
you said I think they were there all the time. Those today that evidentially from the land of the Khazars,
Khazaria, and they were a Turkic-Mongolian mix?
Alan: That’s a bit wrong there.
Jackie: Okay. What is it?
Alan: It was an empire. It was an empire like the British Empire and just like the British Empire you would
have English in the middle and then you’d have other tribes that were taken over from other cultures and
colors even around them, all part of that empire and then all eventually called Khazarian. In fact in the
Khazarian outer tribes, they were all used for different functions, but some of the outer tribes were even
Moslem. The inner group were called the Royal Khazars and they were a nobility just like the nobility of
Europe who only intermarried amongst themselves and the Royal Khazars were red-headed or blonde, blueeyed
or green-eyed and as I say they only intermarried amongst themselves, although they ran an empire of
many different types of people who all eventually were called Jews when they adopted Judaism. They
converted the whole country. A country about the size of Spain converted overnight to Judaism. Now when
they disappeared–
Jackie: Oh, excuse me. One of the things that you had said, these people that converted to Judaism, the
tribe in Khazaria. You said I think they were there all the time and you said something about that they had
migrated, that you believed or had read or whatever that they had migrated into that area.
Alan: I have no doubt they did because they had symbols very similar to Egypt. The only religious symbols
that they had were the obelisks. That was the only ones – by people, in fact by rabbis that went into
Khazaria during that conversion period. The only symbol of religion that you noticed was the phallic symbol
everywhere.
Jackie: The obelisk?
Alan: Yes, the obelisk. One of them said that they were basically a pantheistic people, meaning they
worshiped nature, the earth, the “sciences” you might say and they didn’t have really a very mystical view of
anything.
Jackie: Do you think that these people if they did migrate into that area, do you think they were led there
by leaders that knew that this was going to happen eventually in the future. In other words, they’re there
waiting?
Alan: Yes, I’d say so because the Khazars themselves, it’s an interesting lifestyle that they had. It resembled
so closely the nobility of the Normans and all of the European aristocracy descended from the Normans who
appeared in Europe at the same time as the nobility of the Khazars disappeared from Khazaria. The same
traditions were held by the Normans where they would migrate throughout the year to different palaces of
different cities, just like the Queen goes from Buckingham Palace up to this one or that one or whatever
throughout the year. That was their tradition. However, they also controlled the trade routes, in fact, to get
to China and so on, you’d have to go straight through their land and they lived on taxation. They taxed
everyone who moved throughout their land, so that was one of the main incomes.
Jackie: Weren’t they even taxing people who had to use the rivers?
Alan: Yes and so they were heavily into taxation and the taxation system. They had a mounted nobility
cavalry, advanced in its day, that had their own coats of arms and went into battle in certain formations so
they were pretty well invincible in their day. Interestingly enough, as they disappeared from the land of
Khazaria, a group of people appear in Normandy in France and call themselves Normans (or at least the
historians called them Normans) and they had the same techniques with calvary, coats of arms and
everything else and it’s thought that this was the nobility of the Khazars who came into Europe and took
over the whole of Europe through force of arms. They had unlimited financing to hire mercenary groups and
the wars of the Normans on even Britain took many, many years of full scale war, which tells you there was
tremendous funding to keep armies in the fields for such a long time. Plus, they built wooden forts on the
coastline of France, some of them a few acres in size, and they were prefabricated and they towed them up
by parts over the channel to England and re-erected them. You were talking about something on the scale of
the Second World War here. Unlimited financing to take over the whole of Europe and definitely with a
strategy and a plan and I have no doubt at all that the Catholic Church was part of it, because along with
the Normans came the Catholic Church and one basically stood up for the other.
Jackie: Then once they installed the kings and the queens they just continued to interbreed with one
another?
Alan: Yes, right up to the present day.
Jackie: Some of our listeners who may be newer that did not hear you say this, but it’s something that we
have to keep in mind, is that these kings and queens were not even of the same nationality if you would of
the people that they were ruling over.
Alan: Exactly.
Jackie: When you said that I thought of Catherine the Great of Russia. She was a German princess and she
ruled over the Russians.
Alan: Yes and you probably saw the movie “Braveheart,” did you?
Jackie: Yes. Alan, in about 50 seconds we’re going to be taking our break so remember what you’re going
to say about “Braveheart” and let’s pick it up on the other side.All right, ladies and gentlemen, we’re going to
be back. We’ll be right back with Alan Watt so stay with us. We’re talking about the contents of the book
here and it certainly is worth having. If you’ve got I and II this wraps a lot of it up, although I think Alan
already has another in mind. If you don’t have I and II he suggests that you get them first so you’ll have
more of a background on ancient history and this won’t seem so foreign to you. Before we talk about Mel
Gibson, what was the movie?
Alan: “Braveheart.”
Jackie: Braveheart.” When I called you today to see if you would come on with us, of course we got into
conversation and I wanted to remember the statement that you had made about people who want the truth.
Will you repeat that as you mentioned it?
Alan: People generally don’t want the truth. If they wanted the truth they’d have to be willing to forego
everything they’d ever known, believed, been taught, instilled with, or whatever, and it’s like freefalling out
of a plane. You’ve got to jump out of the plane and hope for the best and be willing to allow what’s going to
happen to happen. Most people really are looking for something which will either augment that which
they’ve already chosen to believe or they’re looking for some form of comfort.
Jackie: Right and that’s what you said.
Alan: That’s the problem.
Jackie: The truth is not comfortable and it’s because it is always such a shock. When we’ve believed
something right from the very time we were born and it was pounded and pounded and pounded into our
heads and even the history that we were given. The only thing that I see that may have been true at least
partially in more recent history are dates and names.
Alan: That’s it. You know that’s how history is taught in school, is battles, places and names but you never
get the why or who financed it. Who benefited from it? That’s all omitted.
Jackie: It’s all memorization stuff. You have to be able to remember the presidents starting from the
beginning to whatever your present is at that stage. I think every school child has to do that as though it
means something.
Alan: It’s indoctrination.
Jackie: Well of course it is and not only that but it’s irrelevant because we know nothing about the
presidents and what we do know about them or have been told about them are lies.
Alan: They walked on water. They were superhuman and they walked on water and they never used the
bathroom, just like the actors on TV.
Jackie: You know when you hear people calling the church today apostate it’s as though all of that means
it’s different and it’s not the “true church.” Whatever it was, ever was, a true church, it was all a fabrication
of the priesthood.
Alan: It was very cleverly contrived many thousands of years ago and they created a trinity. They always
have trinities in the Mystery Religion and they created Judaism, Christianity and the Moslem all from the
same source; and of course they used them all to fight each other, which enriched those behind it. They
could also bring them all together at the end, one way or another; Christianity has joined voluntarily but the
Moslems have been brought in by force.
Jackie: The third way.
Alan: Getting back to Braveheart, in the movie they portray Robert the Bruce as having the legal titlehood
for taking over Scotland but he would never do it when Wallace was alive. Then it shows you at the very end
of the movie the final battle with Bruce leading the people at the Battle of Bannockburn where they routed
the English, but that was to unite the country under the guise of freeing the people.
Jackie: To unite. What do you mean, Scotland?
Alan: Scotland, and so what they did, again, this is the dialectic in action. The English are invading. Scotland
has many, many clans all living free and independently and along comes this guy who will be king and after
the battle he becomes king, he unifies the country, nationalizes it and introduces taxation for the first time in
history. What he did is centralize power and it’s so cleverly done and Robert the Bruce was actually Robert
de Bruce. He was a Norman knight. He wasn’t Scottish at all, so this nobility one way or another became the
crowned heads of all of Europe.
Jackie: William Wallace, was he a for-real character?
Alan: Yes, he was.
Jackie: I got real intrigued about William Wallace after I saw that and I wanted to know more about him
and Chuck and I were down in Philly and we were at Borders books or one of the big ones and this particular
bookstore is like three levels and all kinds of books and I found two books on William Wallace and one
basically was when they made up their like poetry to tell a story.
Alan: Sometimes they’ll say a note. A note is someone who’s died.
Jackie: A node. That’s basically what it was. They said there was so very little in history able to tell about
William Wallace. Now do you think that’s true or they don’t want people to know the truth or what?
Alan: In Scotland, because Scotland was a colony of England you’ve got to remember, Scotland after
winning its independence right up until James and James was a descendent of de Bruce, the Stewards were
actually another name for the same bunch of de Bruce.
Jackie: The Stewarts?
Alan: They intermarried and intermarried, called themselves the Stewards of Scotland, meaning the
keepers, so they changed from de Bruce to Steward which became Stewart as time went on, but James was
a direct descendent from them with Norman nobility blood in him too, which doesn’t surprise me. Stewart
Jackie: Over all these millennia this group has lasted but they aren’t always of the same – the leadership
maintains their royal bloodlines but they were in the beginning part of that mixture of people?
Alan: Within the group there’s two. There’s the ones who only interbred very closely and they’re the ones
with the high noble stations in life et cetera.
Jackie: Do you think there’s a strain? What I’m trying to get clear here, they refer to the Habiru as a mixture
so they weren’t a pure bloodline of anything?
Alan: No, they weren’t.
Jackie: These people – we’ll talk about the royal Khazars, the Normans, was that a pure strain?
Alan: As far as we can tell they go back for probably for about 1500 years or so that we can trace at
keeping their own marriage lineages and interbreeding at the top.
Jackie: What would be their race or nationality or whatever?
Alan: It’s one that they haven’t given a name to, to the public. You see this entire world that we live in is a
pyramid structure and it’s a pyramid structure which is called civilization, which is only possible with the
introduction of their money, and the whole world revolves around their money. All school children are trained
to get a job to work for their money. It’s all to do with the monied system which this small elite have
controlled since the beginning of what we’re given as time.
Jackie: Are you saying then, that if they did a DNA on let’s say Queen Elizabeth they’re going to find genes
different than anybody else has?
Alan: It would be very interesting to get a hold of it but I don’t think they’ll ever let it happen.
Jackie: I mean wouldn’t that be what you’re inferring? If they’re of a bloodline that has–
Alan: What you’ll definitely get are the same types of genes, traces of other genes. For instance, we know
that the Bush’s are related to them. There are so many families. So many American presidents are related to
them.
Jackie: You said the Bush’s are just kind of little twigs on the tree though.
Alan: They’re lower down. In fact, Kerry apparently was closer, he had more ties to the royalty than Bush
did, but they only give you their own ones to vote for it seems to be.
Jackie: So the people today that are known as Jews because they were born into this religion. I’m not
talking about Sammy Davis, Jr. and Marilyn Monroe and those people who “convert” to that religion. But
they are not supposed to intermarry. I guess that’s just to keep control of the tribe?
Alan: The thing is, though, most of them who are not nobility, remember, have always intermarried. In fact,
most books out in the bookstores will tell you that there’s an ongoing crisis within Judaism because so many
of the men are marrying into gentile families. The same thing doesn’t hold quite as – and they always have
done you see, so the lesser ones have always bred into other peoples and many have lost their descendancy
by doing so and the rabbis have been screaming at them for hundreds of years to stop doing it and they’re
still shouting at them to stop doing it.
Even Woody Allen was on a little program – he was with his wife and she’s gentile and his mother was there.
The mother is home and the father was there and the mother came out with the usual thing you know, in
front of this girl too, “It’s a pity you married a gentile because if we all do that then we’ll disappear,” and
that’s the standard cry of the rabbis.
Jackie: So these people that do object to the intermarrying actually believe that they’re of a special
bloodline?
Alan: They believe that, there’s no doubt about it. Many Jewish publications believe that they are. I mean
they’re very boastful in promoting all the scientists in history or actors or whoever. They’re very boastful of
their lineages and who’s come out of Judaism and they do boast that they are superior to other people. And
I always think how ironical that it was inevitable that the clash in Germany would occur because here you
have Adolph – not really Adolph, it was Himmler and the ones behind him who were really into this new
religion, very, very New Age at the time, Theosophy really, of creating a Superman, a special superior breed;
and here the people holding the reigns of the money power in Germany who already believed that they were
the superior breed. There had to be a clash. There had to be a clash and maybe that’s the true saying that
comes from their own Talmud, “For every action, there’s an equal and opposite reaction,” because you had
two people claiming to be Supermen or special or superior living in the same country. Something had to
happen and I think it’s sad when people actually believe the mythologies written by rabbis which pump them
up into truly believing that they are superior. Now generally that would be called racism if anyone else said
we’re superior to you because we’ve created so many musicians and so many scientists and so on and we’re
genetically superior. Now if anyone said that that would be called hate speech.
Jackie: They all go to the – no, I shouldn’t say all, but so many of them go to the high colleges. They get
preferential treatment.
Alan: There is another thing that the people have to understand and this is very true as well. The Western
peoples were brought up to be employees. The education system was introduced all throughout Europe and
Britain and America for the average people; it was to train employees to fill jobs. Whereas in Judaism, like
Mohammedans, they’re the same, they will – the first generation will slave and scrimp and do without to put
their children through the best schools you can find because they are well aware through their history that
you don’t get anywhere by being an employee. You have to get to the top and they do sacrifice for their
children, so do the Chinese. However, it’s one thing that was never ever instilled in the Western culture. The
Western culture were definitely bred and raised and pushed towards being employees.
Jackie: That makes all the sense in the world. What do you want to be when you grow up? Do you want to
be a policeman? Do you want to be a nurse? But it is never what type of business are you going to start?
Alan: No, it’s never, so people can decry the Arabs who are coming in, Chinese or Jews, but they do ensure
their children go to the best schools and they do sacrifice a lot to make sure that they get through, so you
can’t fault them for that. The fault lies in the fact that in the education system and the political system that’s
emerged or was created in the West, the Western peoples were raised and bred to be workers to others.
Jackie: To bee workers.
Alan: That’s right, to bee – that’s the yellow and black school bus, the worker bee. There’s no doubt about
it.
Jackie: I wish I had a more clear understanding of this because it’s still very muddy in my head.
Alan: You can’t go on preconceived ideas. You have to realize that in ancient times there were powers at
work – very, very astute powers with tremendous communications between countries, which kept even the
ancient world all working in a system. It wasn’t a haphazard system and they had knowledge of what they
called previous ages. In other words, civilizations long before Sumer, long before 5,000 BC. There are
powers at play in this world which have perfected the systems of deception prior to Sumer and I’ve no doubt
they had much more advanced civilizations at one point according to their own histories of the Druids and
the historian Tacitus who took some of the legends of the Druids and they survived previous ages by living
inside mountains during floods and ice ages. The same story is told in Mt. Parnassus for the Greeks, and
you’ll find the same thing in the Himalayas north of India and that’s where the high Brahmans say that they
survived the last age. You’re talking about tremendous sciences held in the hands of the few who always will
ensure that they survive, just as today there are underground bases all over the world stocked and prepared
for the elite should any plague or warfare breakout again.
Jackie: Okay, but then we’ll go back about 3,600 years, about the conflagration that Immanuel Velikovsky
wrote about and it appears that the majority of the population of this earth was wiped out.
Alan: It’s very possible a good proportion were, but I still think there were some people who survived on the
surface of the planet and then one day many, many centuries later a few of these high priests came out of
the mountains and started the whole ball rolling again. That’s what it seems to be. In fact the Armenians
lived around Mt. Ararat and that’s where the fable of Noah’s Ark came from. It wasn’t a boat or an ark. It
was a place of safety because Mt. Ararat is riddled with ancient tunnels where an elite came through bad
times before.
Jackie: Way up high in the mountain evidentially.
Alan: Yes and deep within it. In fact, it’s so closely guarded even today by the armies around there.
Jackie: How long ago was that supposed to have happened?
Alan: The Egyptians, the Druids and the Brahmans all say that there was one which happened round about
4,000 – 5,000 BC, a big one. A big one and there have been minor ones and localized ones in between.
Jackie: You’re talking the flood?
Alan: Flood, ice age, something like that. I mean there’s no doubt that there have been many ice ages and
even the scientists agree with that. They don’t generally agree with very much.
Jackie: But they happened immediately?
Alan: Yes and that’s the odd thing with ice ages as we’re given it, but there’s been many and of course what
happens between ice ages is the ice melts, so you get to the point where as it’s melting the world gets
warmer and something happens and it goes back to an ice age again.
Jackie: What seemed to happen is that at least the account of the Velikovsky’s at that particular
conflagration, something happened to the earth’s crust where what once was very, very warm suddenly was
covered with ice and it had to have been something that fast to find those huge mastodons frozen solid in
the ice but still had grass and plants, those tropical plants in their throat, in their teeth.
Alan: That was Siberia. That area was the Equator at one time.
Jackie: So something happened to the whole rotation and et cetera of planet earth?
Alan: All you need is one good comet going close by to upset the gravitational paths and so on to upset the
kilter of it.
Jackie: And it wouldn’t be gravitational. It would be electromagnetic attraction.
Alan: It’s all tied in to gravity. That would be enough to do it, or the only other possibly and this is a
possibility. I don’t rule it out that there have been sciences here before, maybe millions of years ago, which
were never entirely lost because the mammoths – the scientific team in 1905 went out to examine in Siberia.
They found that one of these mastodons or hairy mammoths also had an erection, which meant it was
instantly frozen, and it’s hard to imagine even with a comet or something to cause that kind of instantaneous
freezing. Science can do it on a small scale that we know of – and we are at the bottom level of science from
professorship down.
Jackie: We’re out of time. We’re out of our hour. Okay, folks, we’re going to be back Monday. Hope you
have a nice four days off and we’ll see you then.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
July 11, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Alan, are you there?
Alan: Yes, I’m here.
Jackie: Did you just hear a beep?
Alan: I think you’re on though.
Jackie: All right. Well, ladies and gentlemen, good evening. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is
Monday and the date is the 11th, Alan?
Alan: It is, yes.
Jackie: It is the 11th of July, folks, in the year 2005. I can usually remember the year, Alan.
Alan: Yes. That’s a good sign.
Jackie: Dates just absolutely totally escape me. We have Alan Watt with us tonight. I was out in the garden until 8:30
and certainly not prepared and Alan is always just so gracious and kindly agreed to come on with us and we didn’t really
have anything set. Well, we don’t normally anyway, I guess, do we, Alan?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Except sometimes I say well I’d like to talk about that and what I’d like to talk about right now is you’re in
northern Canada and your temperature today was 111 degrees.
Alan: That’s right. 111 and it stayed there for hours and only started to cool down about an hour ago. It’s about 86 right
now.
Jackie: Well that’s a blessing.
Alan: Emergency stations opened up in some cities called “cooling centers” where they’d rush people to cool down.
Jackie: And you don’t know if they’re claiming that records have been set?
Alan: They haven’t said anything so far, as far as I know.
Jackie: Do you know if temperatures like this in the area where you are – I mean were they at one time common or
normal, Alan?
Alan: No. This is not normal at all and especially further north. I mean these temperatures should be close to the
Equator but not this far north.
Jackie: Yes, really and I would think that you would probably have at the most days in the 80s and probably cool
evenings. That’s the way it used to be here. When we moved here 10 years ago we would have – it could be a very
beautiful maybe 80-85 degrees go down to 55 at night and it’s beautiful sleeping weather, but to have 111 degrees.
That’s like out in Dead Valley. Is that Death Valley?
Alan: With humidity on top of that.
Jackie: With humidity, yes. Is there a formula for figuring out, well I suppose there is. If the temperature is 110 and the
humidity is like what 70 percent, figuring out the actual heat factor, Alan.
Alan: Up here you’ve got so many lakes as well so the more heat you get the more evaporation into the air and it gets
terribly, terribly humid, but this is ridiculous the way it is right now. Even if you’re sitting still, you’re soaked. They can
do wonders these days with science.
Jackie: Yes, they can, can’t they?
Alan: They’re dosing the skies with all these chemicals. Then they cause the smog as they call it and then they blame
the public for driving and then causing the smog, which is coming down from the aircraft above you. The idea is to get
everybody off the road and the public will because they never look up at the sky. They’ll believe what they’re told and
they’ll say by God it’s getting warmer and it certainly is some kind of smog so maybe we should stop driving.
Jackie: And global warming and we have to be good little citizens and car-pool and give up our second car.
Alan: Then eventually they’ll move us in towards the cities, the habitat areas, and that’s the agenda. How else do you
get the public to move? You cause the problems and then you force them to move. That’s standard.
Jackie: Think about it. It’s the same way they caused the environmental problem and I tell you it occurred to me, when
we were going – I think I mentioned this before. When Chuck and I were going to the watershed meetings and they had
the Army Corp of Engineers come out and this one woman brought a video to show us because we had so many
questions and she wanted to answer our concerns. They showed actual photographs, movie film of the pollution that was
coming out of the factories right directly into the rivers and she said our problem used to be point source pollution
because we knew exactly where it was coming from, we got all of our wonderful laws passed that prohibits it, but now
the problem is non-point source pollution. Well, you know what that is, Alan? It’s runoff from the farmers’ fields. And
they’re starting to – well, I won’t say who this person is, but this person has two horses and about 40 acres for the horses
to graze on and they’ve already been to visit this person to find out what they’re going to do with that damn horse
manure that’s being dropped on the fields, Alan. That’s sick.
Alan: Again, this is all the agenda and it’s going to get more and more ridiculous as they go along.
Jackie: I’ll tell you one more thing that just springs to mind. I have a report here for an environmental working group
out of Washington, D.C. and they discovered all kinds of toxic metals that were being put into the fertilizer that was
sold to the farmers for their fields. I mean we’re talking cadmium, nickel, lead, all kinds of heavy metals et cetera,
because there was no congressional oversight, okay. Well, the farmers, well guess what? Because there’s no
congressional oversight they don’t have to put on the bags – there was arsenic in it and that kind of stuff. They don’t
have to put on the bags that these ingredients are in the fertilizer, so the farmers put this fertilizer on the fields and then
they get the farmers for polluting the streams with these toxic metals, Alan.
Alan: Sure. Sure they do. Everything is a setup because everything is a plan and they must make the plan come to
fruition by causing the problems and so they are responsible for it in the first place, just like they’re responsible for
spraying the skies on a daily basis and at night as well. This stuff is coming down. It’s in the rainwater. It’s in the snow
even in the wintertime and of course they can also cause this intense refraction of sunlight. Once you have the air
saturated with metallic particles, billions and billions and trillions of tiny metallic particles, they act like mirrors you see
and they reflect the light back and forth all the time so it simply doesn’t hit the earth or bounce back and go into outer
space. It’s bouncing through all these mirrors and this is causing the warming effect and this has been noticed in
previous years when they’ve been spraying heavily. They cause the problem, sure, and then they blame the public for
causing it and unfortunately it works pretty well because the public never look up at the sky.
Jackie: I know. My new neighbor going to be across the road, Donnie, was out brush-hogging tonight, stopped and we
chatted a bit before I came and we happened to be standing out there and they happened to be chemtrailing us. I had
talked to Donnie about this before but you could tell it just didn’t gel and I said look up there. There’s a chemtrail,
Donnie, and he looked up and he said yep, ah-ha, and then there were two more over towards the west and so I just
started talking to him about it. I got some emails about this and that was way back then, wasn’t it, Alan?
Alan: It was.
Jackie: And I was reading it and I just quite – I didn’t disbelieve it but I needed some proof and then I got calls from
friends. A call from a friend in Ohio, her husband is a doctor. She said Jackie, I don’t know what’s going on in the skies
but she said you ought to see they’ve been putting these lines down and they’re puffing up and she said everybody is sick
and I said oh my, my. Well, I’m going to fax you or email you some information that I have. Three days later I get a call
from a friend in Denver. She told me the same thing. She said they’ve been laying these trails north and south for half
the day and then they turn them east and west. She said there’s a perfect checkerboard up there and she said everybody’s
windows have this greasy-like film on it, car windows et cetera. So, Alan, I started talking about it and I am telling you I
got calls from all over the country. All over the country and I had never seen them, but I was telling Donnie all this and
so he was listening to me because it was my awakening so to speak and I said I was telling our listeners I was doing the
broadcast at 6 p.m. at the time and whenever this happened it was the sun was beginning to set over there in the west
and I could see it out the door from my studio and that night I was saying well I’ve never seen a chemtrail. See, we live
in the country and I happened to look up and there was a perfect X in the sky, Alan, and I watched the plane putting the
underline under the X. That was my first experience actually seeing one of these things. Although I have lots of
photographs that listeners have sent.
Alan: Yes, but Joe Average can see them for himself if he wants to look up once in a while because they’re doing it
everywhere.
Jackie: They don’t see it when they look up, Alan.No, they don’t. I told you this I believe that when – the children know
what chemtrails are, my grandchildren, and Jody was telling me that she and Ashy and Ashy’s boyfriend were outside
one day and Jody looked up and there they were, laying the chemtrails, and she said look up there Ash and Ash said oh
my God. Mama would be having fits right now and her boyfriend said what. She said well look up there and he looked
up and he said what and then she had to explain to him what the hell he was (excuse my language) what he was seeing,
Alan. He looked up and said what.
Alan: I’ve seen it even at a local fill-up station and right above the sky there was a mess of trails and they were still
laying them and I just mentioned it to the guy who was filling the tank in my vehicle and he just casually glanced up and
yeah, yeah. It didn’t penetrate.
Jackie: No. Well see that’s what I saw happen with Donnie and I proceeded to go through this little story to him and
then he went huh. I said just watch it Donnie. Watch it pop up. I stopped in a little plant store when I did grocery
shopping last week and told the lady there about them, Alan.
Alan: See, that’s what Zbigniew Brzezinski talked about in his books with “The Technetronic Era,” which is to do with
mind control for the masses and he said that “shortly the public will be unable to think for themselves. Instead, they will
be downloaded with their thoughts from the previous day’s news and that’s all they’ll be able to talk about.” In other
words, if the news does not mention something they themselves will dismiss it if they see it.
Jackie: It doesn’t register, does it?
Alan: No, because technically they’ve got to a stage where they don’t think for themselves. They expect the media is
there to do their thinking for them and will tell them what they should think about or worry about or be concerned about,
therefore if the media doesn’t mention the fact they’re being sprayed, and you do, then they will ignore what you say.
Jackie: Yes, exactly.
Alan: It has to come from the media.
Jackie: It’s the same thing with people when you show them the poison warning on toothpaste.If you swallow more than
enough to brush your teeth, seek medical help or call a poison center immediately. Keep away from children under six.
We start teaching our children to brush their teeth when they get teeth, Alan, and nobody reads that, but you show it to
them and they just go, oh, I didn’t know that. It’s poisoned.
Alan: I know.
Jackie: And you know what I was just wondering? We’ve talked about this on the air. I wonder if we have any listener
listening to this broadcast that brushes their teeth with fluoride toothpaste and if they do, unless you’re a new listener
and this is all new to you, then what would somebody do when they realize that they know this but they’re still doing it
if they realize it?
Alan: Well, it’s doublethink. I mean it’s doublethink if they know something is poisonous but because the ads are still
on TV, the smiling faces and happy people, it confuses them. They can’t go all the way with the fact that it’s poisonous
because they, the big THEY, those that look after us in a socialistic system, they obviously wouldn’t do that to us to
harm us.
Jackie: Do you think that any of our listeners think that big brother government is benevolent?
Alan: Unfortunately, you do have some.
Jackie: Really?
Alan: They can’t quite get it because – see, the ordinary people cannot imagine evil on such a grand scale being
committed upon the people by agendas which your own government participates in. I don’t think there’s been one
politician in any Western country come out and publicly talked about the chemtrails overhead – not one.
Jackie: Well of course they wouldn’t. Of course they wouldn’t.
Alan: Therefore some people, unfortunately, because they don’t talk about it at all, the person who still thinks
government is real becomes confused and thinks “if they don’t talk about it, maybe it’s nothing at all.”
Jackie: What about the person that sees the poison on the toothpaste tube? It’s the same thing.
Alan: They are pretty well in doublethink as they say. They’re able to hold two opposing opinions in their head at the
same time about the same subject, which means at least on this subject they’re psychotic.
Jackie: So in other words they could say I know that’s true but I really don’t believe it?
Alan: Yes, and yet that same person if you said to them drink a pint of gasoline, they’d think you’re crazy and you say
why don’t you drink the gasoline? Because it’s poison. We know that’s poison. What does it say here about the fluoride?
Well, it says it’s poison. Are you going to keep using it? Oh yeah. That’s doublethink right there. They cannot believe
those smiling faces or the authorities would allow ads on TV that would harm them. They truly believe that all business
is there to be benevolent. They believe that and that’s a tragedy. Brzezinski said it. The people would give over their
own ability to think and make decisions for themselves. He says they will give it over to experts and the authority and
unfortunately people have been raised now to actually believe that that’s what the media is there for, it’s to do their
thinking and to be their watchdog for them, and of course it never was and it certainly is not now.
Jackie: Because you know it occurs to me people that believe that we have to go to Iraq because they have weapons of
mass destruction. I know because I saw it on the news. Well now, people are beginning to realize that this was a hoax
because guess what? They’ve announced it. The media itself has said there were no weapons of mass destruction.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: And now they believe it, but I wonder how they feel about the war, even “Saddam Hussein was a tyrant. We had
to go over there and take him out.”
Alan: It was on the news here when even they had the inquires into it after it was all over and there was a panel there
with George Bush on it and Colin Powell and a few others and George Bush said at the time, when he was asked the
question, he said, “oh I never said that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11,” and that is true.
Jackie: Did he really?
Alan: They left it to the media to eventually infer that Saddam Hussein was connected with it and so he justified it by
saying “well the world’s better off with Saddam Hussein there anyway.” That was his justification for it.
Jackie: What about Osama Bin Laden?
Alan: Oh, he’s all forgotten about now.
Jackie: Yes, well you know what? I got an email and of course, just because there’s photographs that looks like Osama
Bin Laden doesn’t mean it’s true, but that it’s possible he’s not even alive today.
Alan: It’s possible he never existed.
Jackie: Well, that’s a possibility too, isn’t it? Although the Bin Laden family was very closely connected to the Bush’s.
Alan: They’ve done documentaries for the CBC to show you that the Bush family and the Bin Laden family were
actually business partners.
Jackie: Yes, they were.
Alan: In fact the family who got the rebuilding job of the Twin Towers after the first bombing was the Bin Laden
Construction Group.
Jackie: You’re kidding.
Alan: No. And that was Daddy Bush that awarded them the contract.
Jackie: Oh my God.
Alan: So they’re all in bed together.
Jackie: But you’re saying maybe – well, I think Osama Bin Laden probably did exist. He was a CIA asset, I think. I
don’t know.
Alan: He took the place of Goldstein in “1984.” You always have to have a bad guy hiding that you never catch who
does all these terrible things and with all their high-tech technology and millions of cameras in London even–
Jackie: Wait, wait. Okay, it took me a little bit to compute what you said, Goldstein in “1984.” I was wondering who
the heck Goldstein was and I didn’t realize you were talking about the book, Orwell’s book, and Goldstein was the
terrorist, wasn’t he?
Alan: All you ever saw was him on video. You never actually saw the person, just a figure on the video that they told
you was Goldstein that was behind all the world’s terror and it’s the same with this Bin Laden. They can’t find the guy –
with all their equipment and millions of spies all over the world and the fact that they’ve infiltrated every group you
could possibly imagine, in fact they sponsor most of them; and with all the cameras everywhere in London they couldn’t
even stop these bombings. Now who’s kidding who?
Jackie: There was a French newspaper that printed a story that Bin Laden had been in a hospital undergoing kidney
dialysis–
Alan: That’s right, he was.
Jackie: And that the CIA had actually been to visit him, and so maybe he didn’t exist but I think there probably was
somebody; but their whole point was they just threw his name out there like they did with what’s his name at Murrah
Federal Building.
Alan: The fact is the Bin Laden family are actually Arabic nobility, so for one to split off from the rest of his family and
supposedly go in the opposite direction is almost impossible. However, they needed a Bin Laden for that time because
they already had all those countries slated for attack back in the 1990’s in the New American Century Plan that was set
up by Cheney and Bush and Wolfowitz and a whole bunch of them. They had that in their order that they wanted to
attack Afghanistan first, then Iraq, then Iran, then Syria and that was all first done in 1992 then it was rewritten for the
New American Century group, which is the group that Cheney and Wolfowitz belong to. They republished it in 1998
and sure enough, in 2001, they started the invasion right in that same sequence, so this was planned years ago to take
over the Middle East.
Jackie: Yes and that brings to mind Norman Dodd when he got into the records of the Carnegie Foundation, their
minutes of their meetings. They planned – and it was probably planned well before, but maybe this was the finalization,
their details of World War I. This was in 1906 and they said well we should probably start it in the Balkans because
that’s always been a place of unrest. And I’ll be a son of a gun, but they didn’t start it until after 1914, wasn’t it?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And I don’t know where I’ve read this, Alan. They didn’t want to do it, have that war until the Federal Reserve
Act passed in the U.S. so the American people could pay for the war.
Alan: That’s right. It was all done to bring in world government and that’s why they wanted the League of Nations set
up to be the precursor of the UN but to bring in world government. H.G. Wells who worked for the British government
as a propagandist, in fact the term he put out there, the propaganda term was “this is the war to end all wars,” and so that
was the slogan that all the troops in the world went by and died by, thinking they were going to bring in a more better
world, you see.
Jackie: Oh, because they thought they would get their League of Nations in at that time. Woodrow Wilson was pushing
that, wasn’t he?
Alan: Yes. In fact, America funded most of the meetings.
Jackie: And prior to the League of Nations they called it The League to Enforce Peace.
Alan: That’s right. Before that, it was the Concert of Europe. They’ve tried this for a long time and after World War I,
H.G. Wells wrote in “The Open Conspiracy” (this was a non-fictional work), he said not enough countries are willing to
give up their sovereignty so we shall have to have another world war, which they did. Everything that happens, every
major occurrence which happens is planned that way long in advance. Everything, just like the New American Century
in the ’90’s planned to establish what they called the democratic system in all the Moslem countries. Nothing happens
spontaneously. Nothing happens by itself. It’s all planned way ahead of time, including the finances which would be
involved and even how much taxation they would need from the public to pay for it. All of this is planned in strategy.
Jackie: It’s very clearly laid out in the Protocols back in the last three or four Protocols, Protocols of the Learned Elders
of Zion. You talk about a controlled economy, Alan.
Alan: This is a controlled economy.
Jackie: They laid it out beautifully. We have to take a break. Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back with you in about a
minute or a minute and a half with Alan Watt. Stay with us. Okay, we’re back. Alan has written his third book and it is
available now. If you haven’t read I and II, you really should do that first because they really follow one another.
Folks, for those of you who are maybe fairly new listeners to try to imagine that everything that we have thought that we
knew, everything we’ve been taught in history really happened, to find out that it’s all a lie is really quite unbelievable.
Alan started actually coming on air with us around in December of ’98 and we did five weeks together. Alan pretty
much blew our minds away with the ancient history and I kept telling our listeners I don’t know that what Alan is telling
us is true because I have not done this research and I have not read the books and know the things that he’s telling us, so
I kept in a sense warning our listeners not to take it in like it’s gospel truth but to consider it. Then I started getting mail
from listeners – things, their copies of old books et cetera, et cetera and say, look, this is exactly what Alan has been
telling us and finally Alan really didn’t have a choice. Well, he did and he made the right one of course, but to sit down
and put this in writing, but it isn’t just Alan’s commentary. There are photocopies of ancient books, folks, that it gets to a
point where you cannot deny it, as much as you would like to, and I can tell you for myself that there was a period of
time where I felt that – in fact I said this to Alan one day. I said I feel like I’m in another world some place and nothing I
see looks real to me and Alan says that’s a very good place to start and I know that that is to open our minds.
You know you can’t just wash out all that garbage that’s been in it but you can replace it. You can replace it with truth or
as close as we can get to truth because let’s face it. If we aren’t there – if we haven’t been there ourselves we don’t
actually know, but, Alan, will you forgive me for going on like this?
Alan: Carry on.
Jackie: Folks, I remember one time I challenged him, kind of. I do that every now and then, and I asked him how many
books he had read and he said oh I don’t know, about 1,000 or maybe he said thousands, I don’t know. I said well how
do you know that the books that you’ve read are truth and the one thing that he told me that I have noticed, folks, and I
know that this is so, although I cannot prove it of course, but when you read enough and you read from varied authors
and various histories and there’s a thread that runs through. As Alan said, you’re never going to get all the truth in one
book, but when you put enough of it together there is a thread that runs through that you know that there is truth there.
Getting back to his books, this is what he has done with books I, II, and III and book three is called “Cutting Through.”
Alan, I don’t remember which titles are the first two.
Alan: It’s okay to call it I and II and III.
Jackie: Yes, I, II and III because it is cutting through the BS, isn’t it? As I said earlier if you don’t have I and II you
would want to start there. If you have I and II you definitely will want to have number III. [See www..com for ordering
information.]
Anyway, back to what we were talking about. I had a thought just before we took our break. All the stuff we talk about
sounds like such a downer sometimes, Alan, and remember I told you I’m reading novels, a series of books that I had
read sometime past about ancient people. The one I’m on right now is about the Cahokia Illinois mound builders and
they weave the story. There’s a huge bibliography at the end of it so there is probably some history interwoven into the
novel but it made me think about this last night. Cahokia evidentially at that time was the huge distribution center for all
of the other tribes that lived near by and they got this ruler in – this is of course a novel. The people paid tribute to
Cahokia to keep trade going, the traders that came in, but anyway there were people who defied this just totally
powerful thousands of man’s army and such and such and they would go to the villages or to where their clans stayed
and they would say well where’s your tribute. Well, we can’t give it to you because our people will starve. They’ll die.
Okay fine, we’ll kill you and then there were those that defied it and made me think about this, Alan.
Even though they plan it so beautifully and so perfectly, it doesn’t mean that we should sit back and do nothing and say
oh well they’re so almighty powerful that there’s no sense in making a phone call or whatever somebody is led to do.
There’s no sense in it. I have a feeling that every tiny little thing that each and every one of us do makes a difference and
at least sort of derails it every now and then. So I guess that’s what I wanted to say, that we shouldn’t get to a point
where we just creep and give up.
Alan: Oh no. We do have to realize too that the motto that this system goes by, the ones who cause the problems, is that
the end justifies the means, which means that they are totally ruthless and they will do whatever it takes – whatever it
takes at all to achieve their objectives, so we have to realize what we’re dealing with.
Jackie: Oh absolutely.
Alan: It’s like Tony Blair in England. He was ready to go out. The people didn’t want him. Nobody wanted him. Even
the Party didn’t want him.
Jackie: Does this have anything to do with that memo that came forth?
Alan: It’s way more than that. It’s all the lies he told about the weapons of mass destruction, the fuzzy photographs they
used to say that they were rocket launchers, which turned out to be trailers for weather balloons that Britain had sold
them. Lie after lie after lie, and the fact that none of his party wanted this. It was only him to go to war.
Jackie: It’s become public now.
Alan: And so they were ready to kick him out and the public this week were ready to have a mass demonstration and
maybe even riots in the streets over the new ID card that they’ve been told they’re going to get; and lo and behold, right
on cue, the so-called mysterious bombers bombed London, which put Tony Blair back up there on the grandstand: “Oh,
I’m here to protect you. We’re doing all that we can. It’s these nasty Moslems that did this, a brand new cell that we
didn’t even know existed,” which is the biggest joke of all you know and it happened right on cue. You couldn’t get
better terrorists as friends for Tony Blair than they’ve got right now.
Jackie: You couldn’t what?
Alan: You couldn’t get better friends as terrorists. If they were real terrorists they would just leave it the way it’s going
and Tony Blair would get kicked out–
Jackie: Oh right. Okay.
Alan: You see and his party as well and also the public would have their riots in the streets about the ID card; but, lo
and behold, right on cue, when they needed him most, the mysterious Bin Laden’s group blows up a few buses and
things and this is all out the window now, we’re back to war again.
Jackie: Are they blaming this on Bin Laden?
Alan: It was a brand new faction that they didn’t know existed. The famous MI6 that had infiltrators in every group on
the whole planet didn’t know that this group existed and they have millions of cameras all over London but not one
picked them up doing this.
Jackie: Oh my.
Alan: It’s so mysterious. We’re all amazed. So it’s a joke.
Jackie: So now Tony Blair gets off the hook.
Alan: And the public cannot bring themselves to imagine that there are evil people running their country that would go
to these lengths, kill their own people to justify a warfare. That’s why this technique works. That’s why it works. They
say the end justifies the means. To them, if they had to kill half a million people or a million people, they would do that
if they thought it was worthwhile in their cause.
Jackie: Yes they would. You know that brings us back to the spiritual nature of man and the fact that we don’t know
from one day to the next what is going to happen, so therefore the most important thing that we can do and I think you
said this in your own little – when I say little it wasn’t what you say is little, but you said it all comes down to the
individual.
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And I’m just of course expanding on it as I have a tendency to do, but that getting conscious of our spiritual
nature. Learning to listen to the voice within us and I don’t mean like we hear voices but when we know that something
we’re doing is wrong to stop it and it doesn’t matter even if it means your job, that you say no. I’m not going to do this.
I’m not going in and stealing people’s children just so the Human Health and Human Services can get $37,000.
Alan: It’s up to the individual because it’s coming down to the wire and you will find most people will go – in fact
they’ve done polls already after this bombing in London. That shows you how ready they are for all of this. They’ve
already done polls to see how many people will take the ID card now. Suddenly they claim anyway it’s now about 85
percent, which is about right actually because study after study for the last 100 years has found about 87 percent of
public will always do what they’re told and so this bombing has been good for the ID card, which is “must be” in
Masonic terminology. It was ready years ago but they must get it through now. There’s only about 3 percent at any time
who are actually awake to everything and I mean by that fully awake. There are other people who are caught at different
levels. They’re part in the system, part out of the system. They’re part believers still in the system, but only 3 percent are
truly conscious at any one time and it will come down to what are you going to do when they say you’ve got to take this
card; and the card is only the precursor to the chip.
Jackie: We have a call here. Hello, you’re on the air.
Storm: Yes, Alan. Are you there?
Jackie: Yes. You can’t hear him but he can hear you.
Storm: Okay, I’ve got you okay. He can hear me but I can’t hear him?
Jackie: Yes, right.
Storm: I’ve got you. Alan, it’s Storm. I’m a frequent caller of Jackie’s. He is talking there it sounds really heavy and
interesting. I’m glad I caught you at the right time. First of all, Alan, I believe that Blair knew about that bomb. I believe
that possibly I can’t prove it–
Jackie: Storm, that’s exactly what he said.
Storm: No. But I believe he did it. I believe he had something to do with it. In other words, I think him and Queen
Elizabeth had something to do with that bombing.
Jackie: They don’t dirty their hands, Storm.
Storm: That doesn’t mean they don’t have something to do with it. They can give the orders and let somebody else do it.
MI5–
Jackie: You don’t understand, honey. There are people behind the scenes giving them orders.
Storm: Yes, but that would be the Queen though if you’re talking about–
Jackie: Okay, Storm.
Storm: Oh, you don’t think the Queen has given Blair orders?
Jackie: Alan, would you like to comment on this?
Alan: The Queen doesn’t give any orders.
Jackie: Okay. Well, Storm, hang up and Alan will comment on this.
Storm: Okay.
Jackie: Thanks.
Alan: The Queen doesn’t even have to have anything to do with this. She knows the agenda and that’s all that she
actually cares about.
Jackie: She doesn’t have to know the dirty little details.
Alan: Oh no.
Jackie: They don’t dirty their hands.
Alan: Blair is the same too. There is a worldwide agenda here. It’s not a handful of people. There are many people
involved in it.
Jackie: Blair is a puppet.
Alan: Oh, absolutely. Mind you, I mean he must accomplish his mission too and therefore his head would probably roll
if he doesn’t because he’s been the main cheerleader for this war from the beginning and he knows that too and there’s no
one else really who’s so pro-war to take his place so he’s got to keep there. These bombings have helped him
tremendously as I say to get back up there on center stage again. “I’m big daddy here to protect you.”
Jackie: It doesn’t mean that Blair didn’t have an idea this was going to happen.
Alan: I’m sure he would have forewarning.
Jackie: Exactly.
Alan: In fact, Netanyahu was over there for the G8 meeting over there; and of course in Masonic terminology, eight is
as above so below, the number eight, the two circles joined together above and below, and that’s what it means. It also
means money and power in Masonic terminology and G before 8 means “gate” so this is a gateway. There’s a whole
language here which the public has no idea about but all Masons understand. They were meeting over in Britain at the
time of this bombing. They were in Scotland but Benjamin Netanyahu was over there as well in London and he was told
not to move from his room. They knew that these bombs were going to go off, so yes they knew. It was a must-be. They
had to get the ball rolling once more. It had been stalled by public opinion and now of course they can rush ahead with
their ID cards and of course they pinpointed Iran right away, which is next on the list that they drew up in the 1990’s.
Afghanistan, then Iraq and so Iran’s next and they said they believe this new terrorist cell – this is about five minutes
after the bombing – they believe this new terrorist cell has been kept and trained and are based in Iran.
Jackie: Oh. They didn’t know who it was. Very mysterious. Never knew about them before.
Alan: This is how all of this is done, you see.
Jackie: Yes, it’s how it’s all done.
Alan: It’s like the passport that fluttered down from the Twin Towers when this explosion of jet fuel went off and this
immaculate passport fluttered down off one of the supposed terrorists, not a scratch mark anywhere and so that
pinpointed who did it, you see.
Jackie: Whoever you are, caller, turn your radio down.
Storm: Yes, okay. I was going to say that Queen Elizabeth ordered the deaths of some people in Ireland a while ago
when they were trying to get them out of Ireland we know this was like many years ago. But that’s not true. The Queen
can give orders to murder and bump people off and it has happened before. There was also some evidence somewhere
that she might have caused the person, the boyfriend that was going with Diana so I’m not talking about there but no the
Queen–
Jackie: Okay, okay. Storm, we’re almost out of time here.
Storm: But she’s one of the top people of the illuminati of the world. TLC British petroleum. She meets at the
Bilderberger meetings. She’s in with the top people with the Rockefellers. She’s one of the top people of the world.
There’s no doubt about that.
Jackie: Okay. Thanks Storm. Any comment, Alan?
Alan: The Queen doesn’t have to deal with any of it at all. She knows the agenda. She knows the money side of it. She
knows – she’s been told that this elite must always be in control of the people. The methods are irrelevant to her. It’s all
done for her and as far as Lady Di goes, the reason she was suddenly called from Princess Diana to Lady Di by the press
was because that’s a Masonic terminology that the lady was going to die.
Jackie: Oh my God.
Alan: That’s in your face.
Jackie: Lady Di. Oh my God.
Alan: See, people don’t even know what they read.
Jackie: Well of course not, Alan. Well, I didn’t.
Alan: You see, so it’s always in your face, so much so that the public never see it for themselves.
Jackie: I think that Storm – well, he listens to a lot of other broadcasts and has a tendency to take in what he’s hearing as
truth and I don’t think he just quite understands that she’s almost the same kind of puppet that George Bush is. She’s a
figurehead.
Alan: That’s a fact.
Jackie: She’s a figurehead and the people that have controlled the kings and queens and pharaohs et cetera down
through the ages have the same kind of control, so she knows the agenda. She lets it happen but I think that it would be
good if people could just understand that the heads of nations are at there at the behest of the controllers.
Alan: Absolutely. You know 200 BC there was a pharaoh in Egypt who found out that he was not the boss and he was
surrounded by priests who decided who he would see and who he would not see and often he wouldn’t even know that
people had come to talk to him.
Jackie: Oh that was [Tuten] – what’s his name?
Alan: Long before him, and he actually tried to jump out the window to meet people that he saw had been turned away
by the priests to find out what they were there to see him for. The priests were always in control and it’s no different
today. It doesn’t mean that these elite people are not part of certain bloodlines and they’re very pompous and they truly
believe they are superior. They do believe they are superior, but they are not the ones that sit and plan all this. This is
planned by strategical think thinks.
Jackie: And they don’t give the orders.
Alan: They don’t have to.
Jackie: No, they don’t have to. We’re out of our hour and thank you for taking the time to be with us tonight, Alan.
Alan: It’s a pleasure on a very hot night.
Jackie: Well, keep cool. Have you got your fans going?
Alan: Yes, I do.
Jackie: Oh good. Well say hello to your guests for me.
Alan: I will do.
Jackie: Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back with you tomorrow night. Thanks for being here and thanks again, Alan.
Good night.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Good night, folks.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
July 12, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for being here with us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Tuesday.
It is the 12th of July in the year 2005 and I know that’s so because I looked at my calendar just before we came on the
air. Alan is with us again tonight. Alan Watt, our wonderful friend. We’re going to – well, we’ll see what comes up. We
never really plan what our conservation is going to be. However, we are going to talk about chemtrails tonight for one
thing. Alan, thanks for being here again tonight.
Alan: Yes, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: I’ve been spending so much time outside and there are things on my mind that I’ve wanted to talk about and I
found a video that somebody sent me that Clifford Carnicom had done and I thought when I found it – this was just a
couple of days ago. I really ought to get a hold of him and see if we can bring him on the air. I think he’s a credible
person. Anyway, I pulled my email in tonight, which I haven’t done for about three days.
Anyway, I found this email, Alan, and this says “Chemtrails: A Meeting” and a Robert McNamara quote. This isn’t long
and I think you would like to hear it. First, the quote is at the end of this but I want to do this first, a quote from Robert
McNamara, October 2nd, 1979. He said:
“There are only two possible ways that a world of 10 billion people…”
Now are there 10 billion people in this world?
Alan: They can make the figure whatever they want.
Jackie: Yes they can. Six billion for some reason was in my mind.
“There are only two possible ways a world of 10 billion people can be averted. Either the current birthrate must
come down more quickly or current death rates must go up. There is no other way. There are, of course, many ways in
which the death rates can go up. In a thermonuclear age, wars can accomplish it very quickly and decisively. Famine
and disease are nature’s ancient checks on population growth, and neither one has disappeared from the scene…. “To
put it simply: Excessive population growth is the greatest single obstacle to the economic and social advancement of
most of the societies in the developing world.”
Now I just want to remind our listeners who heard us do this, the math has been done taking the square miles of Texas if
we figure six billion people, it seems, if I’m not mistaken, that a family of four – there’s so many square feet. In other
words, the State of Texas can hold all of the people on this Earth if there are six billion people and it’s enough square
footage that I think a family of four would have almost an acre. I might be wrong. Now that’s not piling people on top of
each other in cities, Alan.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: For God’s sake. Anyway, here’s the meeting. The meeting has already taken place and it took place on Friday,
July 8th at 11:30 – excuse me. This is when this was sent, Friday July 8th, 2005. It says:
“A Meeting by Clifford E. Carnicom
A meeting has taken place recently between an investigative researcher and a well placed military source. The identity
of both parties is to be protected. The source has intimate knowledge of at least one aspect of the aerosol operations, and
asserts the following:
1.The operation is a joint project between the Pentagon and the pharmaceutical industry.
2.The Pentagon wishes to test biological diseases for war purposes on unsuspecting populations. It was stated that SARS
is a failure as the expected rate of mortality was intended to be 80%.”
Jackie: Alan, I don’t know if there ever was such a thing as SARS.
Alan: I know that it killed less people than the common flu did.
Jackie: Yes, there you go. It’s like the West Nile virus. We don’t know really if anybody ever – okay, let me go on here.
These are the assertions of these people.
3.The pharmaceutical industry is making trillions on medications designed to treat both fatal and non-fatal diseases
given to populations.
4.The bacteria and viruses are freeze-dried and then placed on fine filaments for release.
Jackie: That would be from the chemtrails, right?Number 5. There’s 10 of these.
5. The metals released along with the diseases heat up from the sun, creating…”
Jackie: You were telling us about this last night, Alan.
“…creating a perfect environment for the bacteria and viruses to thrive in the air supply.
6. Most countries being sprayed are unaware of the activities and they have not consented to the activities. He states
that commercial aircraft flying are one of the delivery systems.”
Jackie: Now do you believe that, Alan?
Alan: Commercial, no.
Jackie: I don’t either.
7. Most of the “players” are old friends and business partners of the senior Bush.”
Jackie: I don’t know about this.
8. The ultimate goal is the control of all populations through directed and accurate spraying of drugs, diseases, etc.
9. People who have tried to reveal the truth have been imprisoned and killed.”
Jackie: I don’t know anything about that, do you?
Alan: No.
“10. This is the most dangerous and dark time that I have experienced in all of my years of serving this country.”
Jackie: Now this was evidentially one of these – he said at the meeting it was an investigative researcher, which was
probably Clifford Carnicom, and a well placed military source. Well you know what? I think Clifford Carnicom got
conned.
Alan: I’d say so. It’s probably Bo Gritz or somebody, yes.
Jackie: He says: “This information is relayed without qualification, as I am as I am knowledgeable in the level of
integrity of the researcher that has made this information available to the public. There is both risk and restraint that has
been exercised in the preparation of this statement.” I don’t know.
Alan: No. It’s disinformation.
Jackie: Yes, sounds like it to me, Alan.
Alan: The whole thing began with the Open Skies Treaty and every country in the West signed on to this. It was never
explained to the public what it really was, although they did legally put a few paragraphs here and there in the
newspapers in Canada and it was so vague that you didn’t get much out of it except that foreign pilots were allowed to
fly over Canadian and U.S. bases in various areas for observation purposes. However, when you look into it deeper and
get copies of this Open Skies Treaty there are observers observing the observers. In other words, the observers are
observing the ones that are spraying the public to make sure they’re doing it. A second blurb occurred about a year ago
in the Canadian newspapers, just one more paragraph, saying that now foreign pilots could use domestic Air Force
planes to do the same duties over Canadian skies under the Open Skies Treaty, so it’s under the Open Skies Treaty. The
only countries that never signed it were China and a couple of the Far Eastern countries and Switzerland and they’re the
only countries who are not being sprayed.
Jackie: Would the jet planes then be carrying in their fuel?
Alan: It could be in the fuel and it could be in extra tanks. They can do it either way.
Jackie: But then the pilots that are flying these planes, they have to know that there’s an extra tank on it?
Alan: They know what they’re doing because if they were commercial aircraft they wouldn’t be doing zigzag patterns
across the skies.
Jackie: Hell no they wouldn’t.
Alan: Either that or it’s a very drunken pilot.
Jackie: No, but I was thinking of the military planes.
Alan: They know what they’re doing and I think it’s foreign pilots that will spray over Canada and the U.S. and the deal
is that our pilots will be over there spraying their countries – kind of like a Dr. Strangelove policy, you see, and that
makes perfect sense. No, it’s not commercial aircraft because you can actually see the commercial aircraft with the usual
contrails disappearing about a foot after–
Jackie: And they’re flying very, very high.
Alan: Yes and in a straight line, whereas these guys do as you said checkerboard patterns. I’ve seen them do u-turns as
well and the stuff that they lay down forms these odd-looking polymer clouds. Now we know that the polymer and that’s
what gives the rainbow bursts around the sun towards sunset especially.
Jackie: What is polymer?
Alan: Polymer is basically forms of plastic particles from polyethylene. They found in the 1950’s that they could use
this particular compound to bring viruses and bacteria down to a vast area and cover a large area and the polymer was
the carrying agent. That was officially disclosed in the 1950’s and they were actually testing some areas in Britain with it
then to see if it would carry viruses or bacterium down to the ground and even under a National Health System of course
they could have all the data of how many people had asthma or bronchial attacks et cetera. All the testing has been done
and they’re doing it for real now. I’m sure it will also weaken the immune system. We know for sure there’s aluminum
oxide in it and barium and–
Jackie: Now how do we know that for sure, Alan?
Alan: It has been tested and I know some people who’ve recently done tests on them.
Jackie: You know the people personally?
Alan: Yes and the last test had 2 percent per liter contained for aluminum oxide alone.
Jackie: And what is the aluminum oxide?
Alan: Aluminum oxide does a few things. It can be used in conjunction with HAARP and this has been disclosed a long
time ago that HAARP, which travels with electromagnetic pulsations through the atmosphere, can act more effectively
when it has metallic surfaces. In other words, it makes it more conductive that the air becomes conductive like a circuit
and again if your target happens to be the population–
Jackie: When you say conductive are you taking about let’s say if there’s an electrical storm?
Alan: No. They send out pulses. In fact they said with HAARP they can literally pulse out messages which the public
would receive in their head, and this is old technology, and so the more conductive the subject is by either inhaling or
consuming or whatever, we’re doing both, with aluminum oxide especially or any metallic substance. There’s also
copper, by the way, traces found in this spray.
Jackie: But more than the body can tolerate.
Alan: Copper should not be in rainwater or snow.
Jackie: Right. Because copper is one of the trace minerals that is found in the body, isn’t it?
Alan: It is; but as I say, this is coming from rainwater. You’ve got copper in the sky.
Jackie: In other words, more copper than the body needs or can handle?
Alan: Yes, so they’re making each individual a receptor, which makes perfect sense, and they have admitted that they’ve
tried HAARP out on large population areas. Maine was one of the first main places that they tried it out on and they
found out that easiest thing they can do, the simplest thing they can do is to create alterations and mood either from
elation or to anger and depression and they found a tremendous high suicide rate at that time. They found domesticated
animals were going crazy and biting their owners and so alternations of moods are easily affected with HAARP and
depending on the frequency they use they can also make you elated, as though you were drugged basically and happy.
Jackie: Mood swings, in other words. Then these people who have the mood swings they get diagnosed as being bipolar
and they get given drugs.
Alan: This all falls in together but it also after time especially the aluminum oxide will help destroy your immune
system and since they do – this is the regular television CBC news and BBC news, they keep having international
conferences every month or so talking about the inevitable flu that’s going to come around the world and kill most of the
people and they keep saying it’s just round the corner. It’s just round the corner and so they are lowering our resistance
to fight off something which should not kill us, but if we’re weakened in our resistance it very well might, so this is
deliberate planning to control and at the same time to start the culling process. There’s no doubt about it. That’s the
function of it. Now again Zbigniew Brzezinski–
Jackie: And it isn’t race specific?
Alan: It doesn’t seem that this flu one is as far as we know. The BBC said that their scientific surveys on this new Avian
flu and they’re only calling it the Avian flu because birds carry it apparently, geese and ducks et cetera, migrating birds,
and they said they found two genes in this particular flu which do not occur in nature, which is another way of saying
it’s man-made, you see, so it’s been altered to be deadly, obviously.
Jackie: And besides that, there’s been Avian flus before that didn’t transfer over to humans.
Alan: Absolutely, all dogs, cats and even mice have their own types of colds and flus which don’t transfer to humans
and they always have. However, today it’s so simple to alter viruses and bacterium. It’s so simple to do and they are
doing it and they have been doing it for a while. They’re going ahead with it obviously and they want to bring down the
immune systems of the target areas, which of course is primarily the West. I know some people who were over in the
Far East recently and as I say some of the countries like Brunei and China, they did not sign the Open Skies Treaty so
they’re not being sprayed and when they were over there they didn’t see any of these chemtrails anywhere in the skies.
Jackie: This was in China?
Alan: Yes and in Brunei, quite near, Far East.
Jackie: Think about this. The reports that I’ve received emails and like that it’s being done in the English speaking
countries England, Canada the U.S.–
Alan: Australia.
Jackie: Australia, but France, Germany, actually European white nations that were once basically Europeans.
Alan: There’s no doubt about it and it’s happening on a daily basis and also on a nightly basis.
Jackie: You know I thought about this with all the immigration with all the different races that are being brought into
our countries. They’re doing this specifically in these countries to the ones that I just mentioned. Well, you still have the
Japanese, but Japan basically has only Japanese and China basically has only Chinese and India and all of those that are
swarming over here, they’re dispensable so they will be victims of this stuff the same way that all of we will, or all of us
I guess would be more grammatically correct, and yet, Alan, it appears to be the white basically European people that
are being done in.
Alan: I’d say so. I think the bee, the busy bee, the white person, has almost fulfilled his task and they don’t need him
anymore. We still have a few qualities which can be utilized against the system–
Jackie: Yes, dangerous to them.
Alan: We’re very good at retaliating if we understand why we’re retaliating and of course they don’t want that particular
type around.
Jackie: I think about this very often sometimes especially when I question whether continuing the broadcast makes a
difference and I remember a long time ago that you said when we were talking about the Federal Reserve System, the
monetary system. You said if enough people wake up to it, it’s going to collapse of itself; and that stays in my mind that
statement you made and then I think to myself, if nothing else, the information that people get from the Sweet Liberty
broadcast is at least imparting truth. At least as close to the truth as we know it and maybe that is the prime reason
because I’m going to tell you, Alan, when you listen to some of the other broadcasts that are on the air there’s so much
fluff and there’s so much BS and so much non-essential misinformation and disinformation along with it that it’s really
basically keeps me doing the broadcast because I think well if Sweet Liberty goes off the air then where are people
going to get the truth that are listening to what they believe to be alternative radio. And it isn’t that there isn’t truth that
they’re getting, government stuff that’s going on, but it’s details and details and details that we don’t need to keep getting.
Well, there’s certain things that need to be brought out, I think. I’m not saying that all of the broadcasts are non-essential
but it seems that there’s so much disinformation included–
Alan: It’s deliberate. There’s no doubt about it.
Jackie: Yes, it’s deliberate. We’ve got a call here. We’ll take it. Hello.
Storm: Hello.
Jackie: Yes, Storm.
Storm: Greetings Alan and greetings to Jackie. I’m listening to what you were saying. I was listening and I’ll just make
this statement and hang up, that the Arabic guy that was being charged with the murder of the Dutch filmmaker said in
the trials that he could be a CIA operative or connected to the CIA but he said that he did it for Allah.
Jackie: He did a what?
Storm: He would do it again when the mother or one of them was crying and sometimes at these murder trials you get a
lot of emotional stuff like that, but he said to the mother that he’d do it again for Allah and so the point that I want to say
is that in a way I think it’s not good for the mother. It’s not good for the victim but in a way it’s good for some of the
Dutch people and people at large that aren’t connected with this New World Order of Holland or France. You know the
ones I heard the stupid political correctness they were talking on the shortwave and in the Dutch newspapers about two
years but that last [inaudible] and talking foolishness and kind of good for them because now they realize that if you let
these barbarians in your country and letting those third world and all these ideals evolve and all the crap they’re
screwing themselves over and that’s what they let in so I know–
Jackie: It’s all by design, Storm.
Storm: What now?
Jackie: Yes, thank you.
Storm: It’s going to backfire because I think it will backfire in the end because most of the people in Holland may not
realize that and so as a result they’re still going to be against massive multicultural influx.
Jackie: A lot of people in the U.S. are against it and it just keeps happening. Storm, thanks for your comments.
Storm: Also I wanted to ask Alan – oh, that’s right, he can’t hear me.
Jackie: He can hear you.
Storm: I’m going to say this and hang up. Can he maybe just describe to me what exactly the power position is Queen
Elizabeth? In other words, is Rothschild above her or is she and Rothschild about on the same level? I’ll hang up. Thank
you.
Jackie: Okay, bye. There’s two things here Alan. This Allah thing, well that would be Moslem, right? I’m not familiar
with what–
Alan: The old god was EL. Here’s the Masonic explanation.
Jackie: I’m not familiar with the situation he was talking about but what caught me was that the guy said I would do it
again for Allah and what its doing is their – I get so much of this stuff on the internet about Muslims et cetera.
Alan: It’s war propaganda.
Jackie: Propaganda, yes.
Alan: I mean let’s be honest here. Who invaded who and when did the trouble start?
Jackie: Okay. Let’s talk about that after this break. Who invaded who and when did the trouble start and maybe you’ll
address his question about Queen Elizabeth. Folks, we’re going to take a break here. Alan, you know that statement that
Storm made about whatever this murder guy did and said I would do it again for Allah? Well, that evidently is the big
thing and that opens a tremendous can of worms because that’s exactly what their intention here is to create hatred.
Alan: Again, if this person and other people can’t get it through their heads by checking themselves The New American
Century (and apparently the New American Century website), which is the official organization of Rumsfeld, Cheney,
Wolfowitz and all the rest of them, which tell you that they intended to take over those countries back in the ’90’s and
why they were going to take over them in that order, starting with Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Iran and so on, then
there’s no point in reiterating the same thing to them. They can check that themselves if they really care. This whole war
was planned in the 1990’s by very powerful people and very powerful corporations. Halliburton put bids in for a share of
the action in 1998, so this is where you are with all of this. This is nothing more than a plan – a business plan to take
over the Middle East, bring the same system of democracy, which is centralized government, a central bank owned by
the World Bank and a system of debt which taxpayers then have to pay off forever. This is the one system that they’re
spreading worldwide and all this Allah stuff that they’re using is just the propaganda, no different from the “slant-eyed
Japanese” propaganda of World War II. It’s the same stuff.
Jackie: I was in the car today and I was listening to a talk show host that sounds quite a bit like Rush Limbaugh and I
think that’s his aim is to be the Rush Limbaugh of today, but they were advertising a book called “The Ezekiel Plan” and
you should have heard the commercial. This guy, whoever wrote this thing, wrote about the Iraq war two years before
they did it. He wrote a book about that. He wrote another book about something sort of like prophetic stuff, like this guy
didn’t have inside information and now the new book is called “The Ezekiel Plan” and it is the prophetic, it’s prophesied
in the Bible. In other words, they’re selling it based on the damn–
Alan: Of course, yes.
Jackie: Then it says, “get the book, get the book to find out how much time do we have left.” It’s like Steve Quayle
when he was talking one day on his broadcast about some terrible thing that was going to happen. I mean it was going to
happen and the whole thing is going to collapse and all of this, and at the end of his broadcast then he said hurry up and
get your gold before it’s too late.
Alan: He was selling generators, foodstuffs at way over market value and rations for the Y2K thing and he made a
fortune off of it. He also said, like James Lloyd, that he wouldn’t come back on the air if this did not happen. Months
after nothing happened they’re both back on again.
Jackie: They have no shame, do they, Alan?
Alan: No. That’s a psychopathic trait, but people are also paid by the CIA to do this. The CIA started up American
shortwave.
As far as Queen Elizabeth goes, if people want to believe that somehow she’s at the top, that’s their choice; and no
matter what you want to tell them, or any truth or any facts to go and check, they won’t do it anyway.
Jackie: No, because they believe what they hear.
Alan: They want to believe what they hear, that’s the difference, and so they don’t check. However, there’s no doubt that
special families are bred for certain purposes, but no the Queen doesn’t deal with the details of this. She’s just told; she is
a symbol looking over a vast herd of unwashed masses and that they’ll have to be gradually culled off and she’ll have
been told that in a very sophisticated scientific lecture probably and it will sound quite natural for her to go along with
it, but she won’t do any of this planning and neither would the Rothschild’s. No one in public view could possibly be
running this show in case they were assassinated and in that case they would lose their main people. You never put the
real controllers in public view. You would never even let the public know their names. Anyone in public view is
technically expendable.
Jackie: It came to my mind when it really clicked with me when we heard about – well, if this happened, but when the
chosen people were taken into Babylon and there they were with their own priests, with their own religion, allowed to
live separately from all the other people and they were supposed to be in captivity, Alan?
Alan: And run their own businesses.
Jackie: Yes, and run their own businesses.
Alan: No, it’s complete fiction, utter fiction.
Jackie: That’s when it occurred to me, so, okay, who was controlling the king?
Alan: Yes and who really came out of Babylon? Was it the Babylon high priesthood?You see, Babylon is wherever
they put themselves. That was part of the mystery of Babylon. It could be anywhere they set themselves up and so all
we know from the records is that a bunch of people came out with a brand new system of priesthood that didn’t exist
before and preached a different type of religion and that religion was based on basically human understanding of law
and various laws. It was all to do with legalisms and of course to Christians, they were given one version of it, but it’s
almost like keeping two-thirds of the rest from them because the Christians were not given access to the Talmud or the
Kabbalah; and only by having the study of all three do you get the big picture. This is a long, long-range plan. There’s
no doubt about it.
Jackie: When you mentioned their legalisms, it brings to mind Moses Mendelssohn’s quote or statement that he
allegedly made that Judaism is not a religion, it is a law religionized.
[Call] Hello.
Storm: I was going to say I’m familiar with that because that happened to William Cooper too, that these people like
Rothschild and Rockefeller you never see their faces or their names because they’re not actual government officials so
somebody could bump them off.
Jackie: Is that what you wanted to say, that you knew that?
Storm: No. I was wondering if he knew if there was anybody in the past that actually attempted that because I don’t
remember or recall that ever happening because that could happen.
Jackie: Okay, thank you. Hello, Alan.
Alan: I didn’t quite catch what he said there.
Jackie: What he said is that he knew that what you said about the front guys not being out front and he wondered if you
knew if there had been any attempts on any of their lives in the past. The Rockefellers, the Rothschild’s et cetera?
Alan: No, they’re given preferential treatment and so on. The very fact that a Rothschild could come into Britain
supposedly and pull a stunt, a con, if you like, by pretending that Napoleon was winning against Wellington and
dumping his bonds so everybody else would dump theirs, then he bought them all up for pennies, and get away with it
and walk freely around the narrow streets of London and this ancient nobility of Britain who had assassination teams
simply left him alone, that’s rubbish. You see, Rothschild was asked to come in and manage the whole system by the
nobility. That’s what it was. That’s what it was. The real powers themselves are never allowed to be shown in public. In
fact, in theosophy and a few other Masonic groups they say that the Hidden Masters that run the show at the right time
will come forward and show who they really are, but by that time they will have sewn up world government and
obviously they’ll have total control of the world and have no fear of anything happening to them, which means that they
can only appear in a completely totalitarian system.
Jackie: In the Protocols they mentioned that their king despot of the blood of Sion, their pope of the world, he will be so
benevolent and so with the people that they will even put him out with the people as though he trusts all the people, but
they said that of course he would be totally surrounded by his protectors at all times; but whoever it is, Alan, that if
they’re going to present somebody, he is going to be slicker than we’ve ever seen before.
Alan: He’ll have all the answers to the problems of the world because he and his cronies created the problems of the
world.
Jackie: Yes. He’s going to get rid of property taxes too, by the way, because they talk about that in there how the
property taxes right now ever escalating. They serve their purpose because they cause unrest, but when they come into
their power they’ll get rid of those kinds of things.
Alan: They will because we won’t have any property by then and we’ll all be living in habitat areas and the UN websites
they tell you that there will be no private property. It will be rental only and there will be no private automobiles either;
so anybody who wants to check up where we’ll go and how we’re to live, simply has to look into the United Nations
website.
Jackie: We have a quote at our website at sweetliberty.org and I think it’s either in Regionalism or the States Right.
Rexford Tugwell after – actually, I think it was around 1934 it was a small newspaper article in Colorado where he said
the government will own all land. That was 1934, Alan, or someplace around there.
Alan: They still Tugwell society, which is funded by the Rockefeller Foundation, but maybe we should also mention
that I have the books out now that explain a lot of this.
Jackie: Well you go right ahead my dear.
Alan: I go through the Masonic meanings of things, which is very important to understand the language we’re using or
what you’re reading in the newspapers, because there’s double meanings in everything and I give you the lost word and
tell you what it really is and all the rest of it. None of the nonsense they put out there on the books for you to buy off the
shelves and I give you the extracts, where it comes from and so on, very old books, and I also go into the history of
money from ancient times. How it was introduced. How they brought down countries – country after country until they
were all on the money system.
Jackie: Built them up and brought them down.
Alan: That’s right, by using usury and getting them all in debt. It’s a silly thing for relief of Africa. I don’t know how
many times they’ve written off third-world debt and these boys, the front men of the so called Rock Star Association that
come out and demand we forgive these loans to the third-world countries are working for the banks because we forgive
the loans every three or four years. Then we give them another one as soon as they’re forgiven, but what the general
public who are all cheering this don’t realize is the money is borrowed from the World Bank by the U.S. and Canada and
the guarantors to pay the loans off are the Canadian and American citizens, so when we write the loans off to the thirdworld
country the citizens of the U.S. and Canada end up paying it. This is the con game that goes on and on and on and
none of the money gets to Africa anyway. It never does.
Jackie: Maybe they’re going to call it CanadaUS?
Alan: That’s a good name, but if you want the three books [see www..com for ordering information] and you can’t buy
this information off the shelf.
Jackie: As Alan has suggested, that if you don’t have I and II yet, it would be better to start there and if you have those
books, No. III, “Cutting Through” is now available. Alan, did you find a way to get those copied by the way?
Alan: I did get a dozen copied today.
Jackie: Did you really?
Alan: By some strange miracle. Some of the pages are a bit too close to the edges but it’s legible but I didn’t have the
same chaos as the last time.
Jackie: You went to another place?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Did you want to tell our listeners what happened to you?
Alan: Well, it’s difficult to imagine but however I did take three master copies in for I, II and III into a Staples place
where they recopy. The girl told me it would take half an hour, no problems. It was a quiet day and I came back in half
an hour and they had my pages all over the counters scattered. They had a full counter about 30 feet long at the back
covered with different pages from my stuff. There were pages on top of the photocopiers. Neither photocopier would
work properly with my material and it kept chewing the copies up. However, in between all of this, in a four hour space,
mind you, they did other peoples’ stuff, rushed it through and both machines worked perfectly with everyone else’s
material. As soon as you put mine back on, sure enough, the paper jams and they have to get the paper from inside and
at the end I knew they couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty together again because I didn’t know where all this stuff was.
Jackie: You didn’t know where the masters were.
Alan: Oddly enough, the three girls there were in sort of a daze and they were not standing talking to each other. They
were reading through my material, which was all over the place.
Jackie: And one had told you they weren’t supposed to read it?
Alan: That’s right. I asked her what’s happening and she said well nothing at the moment. I said, well I’ve been here for
four hours while nothing’s happening except that you seem to be destroying everything I’ve written, and their answers
were completely out of context with the situation: like is there something the matter, sir? It was incredible.
Jackie: And they didn’t seem to be flustered at the problems they were having?
Alan: No.
Jackie: Hello.
Pat: Hi Jackie. I was wondering if you could ask Alan what his position or opinion is of the Protocols. I don’t think I’ve
ever heard him give his opinion one way or another whether he believes.
Jackie: Yes. Who’s calling?
Pat: This is Pat.
Jackie: Pat, speak up just a little bit, your question again.
Pat: I was just wondering if you could ask Alan what his personal opinion or belief on the Protocols, whether they’re
real or fiction or forgery and also if you can ask him to speak on his background. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him speak
about his knowledge or where he’s from.
Jackie: Like a bio on Alan?
Pat: Sure.
Jackie: Okay.
Pat: Thank you.
Jackie: Thanks, Pat. Alan, did you want to finish what you were saying about – well, folks, when Alan and I talked that
evening when he had experienced this, what I got listening is that the people that were going through all these problems
– I’ve been to Staples before because we put packets together and we have them copied and collated and et cetera and
the thing is that while all of this was going on for four and a half hours at least, because he waited a half hour to come
back to get them, these people didn’t seem to be flustered at the problems they were having and the way Alan was
talking about it sounded like these people were in just some kind of a daze. Didn’t it Alan?
Alan: Yes. You see what we’re talking about was the Queen and the Rothschild’s and so on is tiddly-winks because
there are sciences at work here and forces way above all of this. The sciences alone are so far advanced it puts all
science fiction in the kindergarten categories. Sciences are so advanced.
Jackie: Would you like to come back with us tomorrow night?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: Let’s go into that and would you like to comment on Pat’s question about what your thoughts are on the
Protocols?
Alan: The Protocols, whoever wrote them – to me, I don’t care who wrote them because the fact is everything in them
and there’s no doubt they were written at the time they were said to be written and what they wrote about things that
would be made to occur within society, not by any supernatural means either, have occurred and it’s too precise. It has
too precise a grip on societal structures, mass psychology, individual psychology and group psychology. It’s too perfect.
I’m sure it wasn’t put together by one person and regardless of who it’s attributed to, the fact is what was planned in it
cannot be denied.
Jackie: And the way it’s written of course they speak about themselves as being the chosen and their dispersal has been
actually a blessing to them and so either in fact or by them wanting people to believe it was those who called themselves
Jews who were laying this out.
Alan: At the same time it was done primarily as far as we know by those in Russia who were Kazarian extract who had
no Hebrew blood in them at all, so that’s another little mystery as to who these people really were in the first place.
Jackie: Will you consider tomorrow night about giving our listeners a brief background on who Alan Watt is?
Alan: Yes, not too much though.
Jackie: Okay. All right, well that’s great. I’ve had a lot of people ask me and it might be helpful for our listeners or it
may be just interesting to know about who Alan Watt is and so ladies and gentlemen, we will pick this up again
tomorrow night. Alan will be back with us and we’ll play it as it lays and thank you for being with us tonight, and Alan,
thank you. Thank you for taking time out from your guests to be on the air with us.
Alan: Good night.
Jackie: Good night.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
July 13, 2005
Alan: This the Jackie Patru show with Alan Watt here and Jackie’s just popped out to get some things that she needs
and she’ll be back in a minute or so. Today is the 13th of July 2005 and I think we’re carrying on today in our talk at
where we left off yesterday, if we can find the exact place where we did break off. We we’re talking about the system
that we live in and where it’s come from and where it’s going, which is quite something in itself. I should also say at the
beginning that I have three books to sell with information on freemasonry that is not published in books which you can
buy from the shelf. I go into the religions as well, the creations of religions, who created them, what they really mean
and how it’s been used against the public to control their minds, very effectively in fact, up to the present time and so
there’s three of them. [See www..com for ordering information] and I’ll get them out as fast as I can. What I tried to do is
to go through how the system works. I even go through the language for the public so you’ll see that your language itself
contains meanings within meanings, which the Masons use all the time. Albert Pike himself said “we never talked so
freely as we do amongst the public because they don’t understand what we’re really saying” and I show you their
codings which are within the language we use every day and you’ll see it in newspaper headlines and blurbs on the news
and all that kind of thing.
Jackie: Yes and you got your copies made, didn’t you, Alan?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Thank you for opening for us. Folks, Alan probably already said this is Wednesday the 13th of July and it is the
last night of our broadcast week of course. I want to share our spiritual message tonight. This is a statement attributed to
Jesus in Matthew 25 beginning with verse 35.
“For I was hungry and you gave me meat. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took
me in naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came unto me; inasmuch as you
have done it unto the least of these my brethren ye have done it unto me.”
Basically what he is saying is that we are all one. Yes, Alan?
Alan: What he’s saying is that if you neglect those who are less fortunate as yourself then eventually that which afflicts
them will creep up to you.
Jackie: Okay, “As you sow, so shall you reap.”
Alan: It’s the same today as the gasoline goes up and so on and as always in history the middle classes are the last ones
to scream because they think well I don’t care about the ones beneath me who get driven off the road first, I’m okay,
until it’s starts to eat into their budget. That’s why the system is constructed this way. No one stands together on
anything.
Jackie: You know what that reminds me of in Flint, Michigan, which is where I was born and raised, of course it was an
automotive town for eons, but then of course they started closing down. People at the factories made very good money
for those times and often there were husbands and wives who both worked at the factory and they had something on
television. I wasn’t living there at the time but there was a documentary on TV about the people who were being laid-off
their jobs and for example one of the couples that they had were saying that the wife had been laid-off but he still
maintained his, but they weren’t able to meet their mortgage payment and they were going to lose their home; and I was
talking to a person and she said well good for them, maybe it’s time they start seeing how the other side lives. In other
words, there was no compassion and it was just like well if we’re poor why shouldn’t they be.
Alan: I’ve seen this all through Europe which was going through all of the deindustrialization since World War II, the
only difference being that it was never admitted to the public that this was an agenda and so you lived through a misery
of constant close-downs and unemployment, and of course those who make more than the rest and who think they’re
indispensable have no compassion on the ones beneath them. Everyone has been divided them and that’s how you rule
them. You divide and conquer. You have no cohesion there you see and this system is set up deliberately in that fashion
so it can be taken down at any time and there is no cohesion between the people and that’s very unfortunate but that’s
deliberate too.
Jackie: That’s basically what this verse tonight from the Bible said.
Alan: Yes and the most amazing thing is that the antidote to all of our ills is in the New Testament, there’s no doubt,
and it preexisted the writing of the New Testament. The antidote has always been known but people won’t go there
because the antidote is for everyone to help everyone else.
Jackie: In other words, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Alan: And a pure faith that if you do give your extra coat to somebody, then when you need one down the road then
someone’s going to give one to you. If people truly followed that system, which was a natural tribal system at one time,
there would be no bankers, no money, no debt, no system to rule our lives and dictate to us what we must do.
Unfortunately, in a materialistic world which has been created through the banking system, everyone looks at everyone
else to say well who’s going to go first and try this, to try this other way, and no one wants to do it.
Jackie: They address that very thing in the Protocols, knowing human nature, that bringing people into the materialistic
system where the more stuff you have the more “oh I guess you’re supposed to be happier?”I have a friend who’s a
multi, multi, multimillionaire and I actually feel sorry for this person. In fact, I used to work for him but I talked to him
one day. He had just gotten a new condo in Nevada, a penthouse thing, and he said he was sitting there surveying his
kingdom and he has – I suppose his friends – and he’s actually had pictures taken with Poppy Bush and lots of movie
stars and that’s his life; and I don’t know. Do you think he thinks he’s happy?
Alan: I’m sure he thinks he’s supposed to be happy, because that’s what everything gears you up to is the more you have
then the less worries in the material world you should have, so therefore technically you’re supposed to be happy and of
course that’s not true because this is an artificial system we live in. There’s nothing natural about anything. In fact the
whole commercial system runs on the fact that people are not happy and that’s why they can sell all kinds of gadgetry to
the public on the premise that if you buy this you’re going to be happy. If people were truly happy the system would fall
apart by itself and we’d buy no more and see gee I’ve actually got all I need or all I want, you see. No, it’s all a big lie
and it’s not a natural system. It’s a system that was developed thousands of years ago by let’s just say beings that have
observed humanity for long enough to decide how to take it over and it was taken over through very clever means,
looking at the weaknesses of the male and the weaknesses of the female and exploiting them. That’s how you take over.
You exploit those weaknesses and you dangle beads in front of the woman et cetera and then you dangle the woman
with the beads in front of the male and that’s when status comes in and superiority and I’m better than the guy next to
me, I’ve got all this wealth, and that’s how the whole darn thing was done.
If you look at ancient tribes, for instance, it’s recorded even in the writings of Tacitus of Rome that the European tribes,
the chiefs who were elected by the way had no more property or personal valuables than the average tribesman. They
had no more, so the money system itself creates the greed, creates the class divisions and of course it also enables those
who run the system to then take back any money which represents your labor in taxes. That’s how they do it. They get
the world working for them under the guise of you working for yourself. You’re actually working for them when 40
percent or more of your labor goes back to them in taxes.
Jackie: In your book and I had this as a question I wanted to ask you. You had told us about Sparta in the past and how
Sparta the people lived. You had told us about a system where the men were warriors and they actually had to be in the
army and that they weren’t able to live with their wives and stuff like that. It was all common. They ate together and
lived together and in your book you talk about Sparta, and I’m not challenging. I want you to explain this that you said
the Spartans had been at one time a healthy wholesome people in total control of their own affairs and you used it as an
example. They had their own monetary system et cetera. Was that an earlier time?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Okay, so it was after they got into the monetary system that they got so nuts?
Alan: Every country had been taken over by bankers from Asia Minor basically who had come in and the merchant
bankers were that. They were merchants and bankers in one and they dangled their goods there and they introduced their
silver and said well if you accept this coinage in other words and then repay us the next time in the same coinage you
can buy more stuff. They were introducing their money system everywhere they went and Sparta initially allowed some
of them in and the King Lycurgus noticed that every other country that allowed this became servants to these bankers.
They were all in debt. Every citizen was taxed to death. Property was confiscated and so on, and so he kicked them all
out and reestablished the traditional means of exchange which they’d used, which was basically iron and the iron that
they used was tempered in such a way that you couldn’t even cut it and then reuse it for anything else. It was solely for
money and no one else wanted it but they were self-sufficient so they used it internally and it functioned very well.
Jackie: What you told us about them, they were almost slaves to the government. Well, they were. That was later after.
Alan: That was later because they went through such prolonged warfare for many, many years fighting the countries
that had already been taken over. See, once the countries were taken over by the bankers, the bankers then put their own
men in to advise the tyrants to create standing armies and train them and they gave them the money to supply them with
armaments and then they would send them off on conquests on their neighbors. In other words, those countries which
had not yet accepted the money, so they tried that with Sparta too and Sparta fought for years and kept winning all the
time and they threw many, many other nations armies against them but the Spartans kept winning. However, through it
all, they lost so many men and they captured so many people that they used as slaves that they began to get debauched
themselves. That’s what warfare does to people in a prolonged fashion. Even though you’re winning the war in a sense in
a defensive way, you still become debauched because you still have to have grain growing and farming done and all the
rest of it, and when all the men are off fighting, then once you start using slaves then you’re going down the same path
as the very people that you’re fighting against.
Jackie: I noticed that you said in here that when the bankers began getting a toehold you said along with treaties loans
came the usual (this is today) that that was way back then. What is the timeline here?
Alan: The Spartans eventually had to give in.
Jackie: I know but what is just the general timeline?
Alan: They had to basically give in and admitted defeat around 350 BC or so.
Jackie: Okay, that long ago?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: You said here and we know that this is so by our own experience today, along with treaty loans came the usual
pornography, narcotics, expensive wines and deviant sexual practices everywhere they go. Everywhere they go.
Alan: They’ve found so many clay tablets even of pornography and intercourse and postures and all this stuff and they
found it all the way from Babylon on the trade routes and they’ve even found down in the Aegean Sea where ships were
sunk that there was whole boat loads of what was then pornography, wine and drugs as well because they did have trade
with India and carried opium all over the place. It’s the same technique. It’s been here for thousands of years.
Jackie: That’s why this international priesthood that’s been around for eons so well knows basic human nature.
Alan: Absolutely. There’s no creature more studied on the planet than man and women in minute detail and that’s why
human behavior is predictable if you put forth a sequence, as though pushing buttons. A certain sequence will produce a
certain reaction from the public and it will always produce the same reaction if produced in the same way.
Jackie: I want our listeners to know that what you mentioned about the pornography, there is a photocopy here in the
book, a picture of one of the clay tablets of what you were talking about, sexual positions. Do you care if I read one
paragraph here?
Alan: Carry on.
Jackie: This is after Sparta. I wanted our listeners to hear this.
“The reason for dwelling on Sparta is because it is perhaps one of the most clear examples of how countries fall, one-byone
to tried and proven methods of subversion by a determined group of men of ‘secrecy,’ a special ‘brotherhood’ with a
cunning and totally ruthless ‘something’ at the top, something with almost incredible intellect and knowledge of human
behaviour; something which plans the future many centuries in advance, that which it calls progress nothing more than a
business-plan for the entire world. There have been many ‘Spartas’ down through the ages, with ever-increasing mass
slaughter of peoples as this dark ‘thing’ gets closer and closer to its goal. Not one generation has been allowed freedom
from war for the last few hundred years, especially in Europe.”
Boy, it’s just like you’re describing today, Alan, and this ‘thing.’ What is this ‘thing,’ in your mind, what is this dark
‘thing’? It’s almost out of this world.
Alan: It’s a combination; it’s almost a mosaic you might say.
Jackie: Would you define mosaic for me please?
Alan: A mosaic is that which is made up of different parts which make the whole, like a jigsaw puzzle, and so certainly
there’s no doubt whatsoever here in the world we have different strata of humanity working towards a destination which
openly declares the elimination of the majority of the rest of humanity. These people who are at the top of this are
extremely wealthy because has always been the key to everything in an economic system. We are actually classified as
human cattle and producers in this system.
Jackie: The word capital as a matter of fact came from the word chattel, cattle and capital.
Alan: Yes, and even the stock market – the stock was the cattle in the markets, like a cattle market.
Jackie: Oh my God, Alan, like the stockyards.
Alan: That’s exactly where it came from, so we are the laborers. We are the stock market. Everything in this system is
artificial – deviant actually. See, anything which isn’t natural is therefore deviant and the deviants are running the world
and not only running the world, they’ve trained everyone who’s born into the system that this is all quite natural and that
money is natural and 12 or 13 banking families control the world and that’s somehow quite natural too. Then we’re
trained through a schooling system to go out there and produce for them and pay 40 percent or more of your taxes back
to them so that they can then keep in power and create a system of power which cannot be broken because they buy
armaments and all the rest of it to take care of their own system. Money is the key. Money itself is a deviant creation.
Jackie: And taxes are a deviant creation.
Alan: Absolutely. Taxes at one time were called “fees,” from “feu,” from the Norman word “feu,” for feudal, you see.
Feudal, you had fee and you had to pay your fee to the lord, and so they changed it from that to taxes. Now to tax
someone means to labor. To labor, you see. You tax yourself, you’re laboring yourself, so taxing is simply taking away
so much of your time, energy and work and giving it or actually stealing it from you and giving it to them and that’s how
this system keeps itself in power.
Jackie: So taxes are so taxing?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: On our energy?
Alan: Absolutely. That’s what taxes mean. They take from you that which would be useless to them unless it was their
system, and that is money, so they dish it out there so that we all run like little trained rats to grab the money. We pull
levers all day long in a factory and then we get a feed at the end of it or we get a paycheck. It’s the same Pavlovian
principle and then they take so much of it back from us, but by this token they can hire as many as they want of us to
work for them for their agenda and even create the weaponry and the scientific structure to maintain a superpower over
the public of the world and that’s exactly how they keep control of it all. Money is a deviant thing. It’s a deviant creation
and those who run this system are the deviant creation.
Jackie: And what we as individuals can do is everything within our ability and power to do not to become part of the
system. You know the ID. If you’re caught on the street today without an ID of some type, you’re going to be probably
termed a terrorist.
Alan: Yes and when you tell them well I have no ID or no idea, that won’t hold up anymore.
Jackie: No, it wouldn’t. We have to take our break here. We’ll be right back with Alan Watt. Alan, thanks for your
patience.
Alan: If I can go off the track for a minute and mention something.
Jackie: Oh, go anywhere you want, my dear.
Alan: I need advice on something here.
Jackie: What?
Alan: Yes, because you know how I’ve been getting trouble photocopying the stuff I write?
Jackie: Yes.
Alan: Well, today I was making up a master copy on my little single photocopy machine and tiny piece of plastic bust
which held a spring on it and that was the end of that, so what I want to know is there anything out there that isn’t too
expensive that can actually be used for some sort of desktop publishing so that I can do my own prints and so on on a
fairly large scale that isn’t too expensive and lot of maintenance and so on?
Jackie: Alan?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: You are asking the wrong person, but you know what? You’ve put this out there and folks, I want any of you
who have some information for him, there could be one of you out there who has equipment that you’re not using that
you might like to donate, except I need for Alan to be a little bit more clear on what it is he is looking for. Now Alan,
exactly again what is it?
Alan: Well, I have so much trouble with the companies the regular chains like Staples and so on —
Jackie: Out of this world trouble.
Alan: Literally out of this world trouble, destroying master copies and everything–
Jackie: Not the people, the machines.
Alan: That’s right and the people doing crazy things certainly. I’m almost paranoid to put my stuff out there. No Mason
is going to print this stuff because I disclose the real truth about masonry – not the bookstore-shelf type thing you can
buy. I go much deeper than that, but no Mason is going to print this and so what I need is something which can do
multiple copies so I’m not standing all day making up one copy for one person.
Jackie: Well, you know it seems to me like you need a duplexer too. Either that or – in other words, duplexing means
having both sides of the page copied.That could be an expensive piece of equipment. When I owned my business – in
fact I bought it particularly for this stuff that would do duplexing and collating and et cetera. Collating is putting the
pages in the order. Those machines are pretty expensive but you can if you had one that gave you nice crisp clean copies
you could always feed the pages in, turn them over, put them back in and feed them through the other side and you
could do that and it still would be time saving. Anyways, folks, this is what Alan’s question was and if there is anybody
out three that has some suggestions for him or as I said maybe a piece of equipment that you’re not using. I had a lovely
copy machine donated to me back in about 19 gosh about ’94 and it doesn’t duplex or anything like that but it is a really
– well, right now it needs door but it is a nice machine and it was donated and people are very generous when they
appreciate what you’re doing.
Alan: Well, if I had something like that I could churn out a book a month. That’s the problem. I take my stuff into the
stores. They see these symbols and so on. Everything goes crazy. The machines break down. They shred your master
copies and you end up walking out with a box full of shredded material, and that’s happened actually.
Jackie: Who’s to say that maybe some wealthy person could be listening to this broadcast that would be willing to set
you up or something like that.
Alan: Yes, because I certainly am not wealthy. I could be if I wanted to go back into the world for sure, but no, I scrape
by like many people and I donate a lot of time to what I’m doing.
Jackie: Yes you do. Pat called last night, Patrick, and he wanted to know if you would be willing to give us a little bit of
a bio on yourself so they get a sense of who is Alan Watt?
Alan: Well, I won’t go too far into credentials except to say yes, I certainly did have a profession that was sort of highly
regarded and I walked away from it and I was qualified and so on. I then went into music and did a lot of session work
in studios and I also formed groups to play live musicals and I also did classical guitar solo on stage across Europe.
Jackie: Didn’t you build your own guitar?
Alan: Yes, oh yeah.
Jackie: Oh yeah.
Alan: Yes I did. I did all that too and I walked away from that again and I made a fair bit of money at the time and I
also walked away from a marriage and left the money with it and I didn’t care because I thought I could do it all again if
I wanted to. However, then I chose a different path and I’m glad I did, because the path of learning – I’d learned all I had
to learn by meeting powerful people and seeing how culture is created by certain individuals who are trained from birth
basically in culture creation of music or movies or stage plays and so on, so I mixed with that crew and I could see them
working and I knew it was not haphazard. I knew there was a direction to all of it. No matter what country you went into
the same things were happening culture-wise in every single country, which told me there was a guiding hand behind
this and that those who created the culture and altered culture were all in cahoots together from some central source and
of course we know that is true today. Truly, there is no grassroots culture.
As Plato said 2,350 years ago, he said, we give the people their culture, we control the mechanisms of culture. He said
we give them music, the type of music and he said so we need the music industry. That’s what he called it. He said we
also use the fashion industry which goes along with it and we also use the acting industry; and it hasn’t changed today
and he said the people see these things and emulate what they see and the fashions that are worn, they mimic them.
They want the same clothing et cetera, so this was understood thousands of years ago. And it’s so much so that Plato
said that music especially since it can affect the young to go to any lengths of either ecstasy or rebellion. He said music
should be licensed and musicians that are very good at their art should be licensed because he knew the power that it
could have on the young especially and he says we can use the youth for rebellion simply by the type of music we give
them. This is 2,350 years ago and nothing has changed except that you have massive studios all interconnected, a
massive industry that throws people in front of you, builds them up and tells you that they’re stars and they don’t even
have to have any talent at all because the equipment is so fantastic anybody can sing through it and sound right. All you
need is someone to act or mime and they’re an instant star.
Jackie: I remember when you told us that, that they just choose the people to put them out front and that maybe the best
really talented ones are at home. But I’ll you when that really – I didn’t disbelieve you but there are certain times you say
things, I don’t discard it or reject it but I don’t necessarily accept it as oh okay because Alan said it. But I flipped on the
TV one night and they were having one of those Jerry Lewis Telethons. This lady walked out on the stage and she had
on a long full skirt, kind of long. She had boots on and she was singing Nancy Sinatra’s song “These Boots Are Made
for Walking,” I felt so sorry for this woman. I thought oh my God, she can’t even carry a tune. Who in the world is that
and then Jerry Lewis said come over here and sit in Uncle Jerry’s lap and it was Nancy Sinatra. She was heavier so I
didn’t recognize her looks, but Alan, she couldn’t even carry a tune.
Alan: Many of them are like that. Marianne Faithful that used to be with the Rolling Stones or Mick Jagger, it was the
same. She was always discordant. She was tone deaf in fact. There’s many like that.
Jackie: Just give me one song she sang?
Alan: I can’t even remember.
Jackie: I remember the name but I don’t recall.
Alan: They were so pitiful that they’re not worth remembering.
Jackie: When you were talking about giving us the culture through music, you see the children today opting into the
black culture. It’s actually African.
Alan: This is something even beyond Africa.
Jackie: It is, isn’t it, Alan?
Alan: It’s beyond Africa. Even in Africa they had some talent but the stuff that they’ve used the blacks to promote, it’s a
scientific sub-primitive type of music which is beyond way before Africa. I was listening to one rap artist who went
downhill on drugs and alcohol and the high life and he said we walked into a studio when we first started with a clean
decent song, and I’ve seen this happening because I used to work in that kind of field, but he said by the time they had
finished with the song they’d rewritten everything and “kill cops,” there was “screw you” and all this kind of stuff in
there and they became instant hits and their image was made for them. You’ll wear your baggy pants down to here et
cetera, he says but that wasn’t how we even started. That’s what those who control the industry wanted.
Jackie: So in other words – yes, it occurs to me and I didn’t even think about it. I wasn’t the blacks who really thought
up these baggy pants and wearing the hats backwards. It was given to them and then the white children and all of the
races are mimicking it and do you know the thing that gets me is that the parents go along with this and allow it. We
have a phone call here. Hello.
Kate: Jackie?
Jackie: Yes.
Kate: I don’t know if you’re taking a phone call. This is Kate.
Jackie: Hi Kate. We’ll take your phone call, my dear.
Kate: Ask Alan. I’m very disturbed. I heard on a program earlier, do they have a human right tribunal in Toronto,
Canada?
Jackie: You’ll have to hang up to hear him, honey.
Kate: Yes I know.
Jackie: Okay, Alan, you heard her. Do they have a human rights tribunal in Canada?
Kate: I heard a restaurant owner that was put up before that tribunal because he refused to advertise gay marriages. I
mean have they come to the point that Edgar Bronfman the Jew that runs Canada and promotes homosexuality is
coming to the United States and I’ll hang up.
Jackie: Kate, did you say that you heard that on a newscast or a radio broadcast? Oh, she’s hung up. All right, did you
hear if she said she heard it on a radio broadcast or a news broadcast, Alan?
Alan: I didn’t catch that part, but it is illegal not to take advertising from these communities as they call them. If you’re
a printer or whatever you happen to be and you deny them access to your facility and you will not print their material,
then you will be fined or imprisoned or whatever.
Jackie: I thought she said a restaurant owner wouldn’t promote gay marriage and went before the human rights tribunal
in Canada.
Alan: I don’t see how a restaurant though has anything to do with promoting gay marriage.
Jackie: Did she say restaurant owner?
Alan: I think so.
Jackie: Okay. Her basic question is do you know if there’s a human rights tribunal in Canada?
Alan: Yes. It’s the wrong term for it because it’s not human rights. It’s the agenda’s rights and it’s called political
correctness. The term political correctness in English is the direct translation from the term they used in the Soviet
Union because that’s what they went through and that’s why we call it political correctness. We have it here now of
course. It’s mandated. This is what you will think and this is what you must say and don’t you dare say anything to the
contrary. This is of course freedom and democracy. It’s so farcical that these people who claim that they’re not bigoted
and anything can go because they don’t care and anybody should be able to worship whatever they want or do whatever
they want, when you go against their agenda they certainly show you that they’re utter liars because they’ll come down
on you for your beliefs. They’re utter hypocrites, under the guise of complete liberalism they will destroy, they’ll
annihilate you because they’re more intolerant than any system that’s ever existed basically, but that is their system.
Jackie: Well, I’m going back to the parents here. I just think it is so important for parents who know this and understand
this and hopefully our listeners are sharing this information with their children so that the children understand how
they’re being used. For example, gay rights. I made it clear to my grandchildren there’s nothing gay about
homosexuality. Now they act like oh it’s great today and it’s normal. There’s nothing normal about it. The human body
wasn’t even made that way.
Alan: Well, what gets me is that – see, all children as they’re going through puberty feel awkward, male and female.
You watch them moving even. You can tell them feel and look awkward and they’re trying to sort out who they are in
the big scheme of things, which is artificial to begin with, and here you have counselors saying well maybe you’re
homosexual.
Jackie: That’s right.
Alan: They also tell them well maybe if you haven’t tried it then you’re inhibited.
Jackie: Thank you for bringing this up because I received a call from a listener last night and he said it’s never going
fly. It’s just not natural and I didn’t want to get in a debate. I just said they are pushing it down the children’s throats and
I recall hearing this on I think it was the news. Not on TV, but radio when a 12-year old boy, a seventh grader, he was
told after an assessment test or whatever they do, psychological testing at school, that he was homosexual and they
asked him how do you feel to find out that you’re homosexual? He said, I don’t know because I didn’t know I was one.
But the fact that from grade school, kindergarten today, they are promoting this homosexuality is a normal healthy way
of being, there’s nothing wrong or unnatural about it. Well, these children are in such a formative stage and today’s
children have been given and shoved down their throats so much pornography that sex has become meaningless.
Alan: This is what people have to understand: nothing in society in cultural change comes from the public. It comes
from a system that’s changing direction to the next part of their system and what it is is that they want to create a world
and Plato talked about it thousands of years ago. They want to create a world where they have perfect slaves and they’re
going to clone these slaves. However, step-by-step you have to get to the cloning stage and that can only be done when
the public have no conception of what normality is anymore.
Jackie: And of course they’re doing it. Give us the young. Give us the young and within a generation we can change the
world and that’s exactly and I hope my caller last night is listening to this because I just wasn’t in the mood to go into it
and we’re almost out of our hour again, but you shared something with me. There was a documentary on I believe CBC
and these young people and they were wearing the tongue buttons or whatever and a young girl 12 or 13 years old I
think – I know this is sensitive but it was regarding oral sex and she said it’s nothing.
Alan: It’s nothing, yeah. It’s like Bill Clinton, “I did not have sex with that woman.” Technically, he was using
newspeak as you would say.
Jackie: Yes. All right, well Alan, once again thank you for being with us.
Alan: It’s a pleasure as always.
Jackie: Thank you and ladies and gentlemen, have a lovely four days off from this broadcast and we’ll be back with you
on Monday and I’m hoping tomorrow, Alan, the rest of the garden is going to be totally finished. It hasn’t rained yet and
they promised it.
Alan: Oh well. If they promised it they’ll give it to you.
Jackie: Okay. You have a lovely time with your guests. Give them my regards.
Alan: I will.
Jackie: Okay, good night.
Alan: Good night.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
July 18, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. We were so late getting
on. We had a guest lined up this evening and I do not know what happened. This is whatever, so at the last minute I
called Alan and what we were going to be talking about tonight and I hope that she will be able to come on with us. We
were going to be talking about aspartame. I’ve got a video, a DVD actually and this thing is just atrocious. It’s terrible
what’s going on and the deaths and the illness that has been created by this terrible additive of excitotoxin that has been
added to so many foods. Anyway, Alan is with us and today is the Monday the 18th of July in the year 2005 and I sure
hope you stayed with us. Well, those of you who are listening did stay with us, didn’t you? We were five minutes late
getting on. Alan, thanks for being here tonight.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Yeah, right. Way last minute, huh?
Alan: Last minute, yes, and a very hot night too.
Jackie: Oh boy is it hot there too, Alan?
Alan: On Saturday, it hit 115.
Jackie: Oh no. Now, actual temperature or heat index?
Alan: That was the temperature on the thermometer. It was over 100 in the shade.
Jackie: Oh my God. And what is it going down to in the evening?
Alan: It’s around just above 80 right now, sometimes 85.
Jackie: But I mean Saturday, it went down to 80 that night?
Alan: That night, no. It stayed around – well into darkness it was just below 90 and they were spraying the skies like
crazy.
Jackie: Yes. Well, it’s I don’t know about probably 90 here. I was going to do a check on the weather bug and see what
the heat index is because it feels almost like it did when it was 96.The heat itself is just something else. I want to share
something with our listeners, something that you mentioned to me, Alan, and I don’t want to forget to say this because I
think it could be very helpful for many of us this coming winter. Folks, I was talking to Alan – I’m heating with natural
gas here now that Chuck is gone and not using the firewood and gas, the prices are just terrible. If they keep raising
them I don’t know what’s going—well, I do understand it’s part of rural cleansing because those of us who live out in the
country we have these what the heck do they call them Alan where its supposed to be all the people are involved.
Alan: They want us into the habitat areas.
Jackie: What I’m talking about is that the gas company itself. I forget what it is. When I lived Carlinville, Illinois, it was
the same thing and the electric prices there were just absolutely terrible. Anyway, folks, not this past winter but the
winter before I kept my thermostat at 60. Sometimes I got brave and put it down to 59 and I was wearing several layers
of clothing in order to even have a modicum of – I was comfortable although my hands and my nose and stuff was cold
but I literally was wearing three layers of clothing and last winter I kept my thermostat at 62 and on account of that my
heating bill went $100 a month. When I called to ask them about it she said well you’ve used 10 more decagons this year
than you did last year at the same time. I said oh I see. Last year I was wearing three layers of clothing to keep warm
and this year I’m wearing only two. Well, what Alan suggested when I mentioned to Alan how come like in the spring,
in the fall if it’s 60 degrees and you put on a pair of sweats and a flannel shirt or a sweat shirt you’re very, very
comfortable and yet I was freezing at 60 degrees in my home in the winter time and I asked Alan why that would be.
The one thing that Alan mentioned is that because it is so dry, the cold is a dry cold and he said that if we put a
humidifier in the house and add humidity to atmosphere within then the 60 degrees would be probably the same thing.
Alan: Yes, it certainly helps absolutely.
Jackie: Well nothing else makes any sense. Sixty degrees is 60 degrees and yet at 60 degrees in the winter time, my
God you’re freezing.
Alan: I know. If you put humidity into the air, it’s completely different from dry warm air and lasts longer too, by the
way. It keeps your heating bills down.
Jackie: Well I guess it would.
Alan: It actually holds the heat, you see, the moisture, and your furnace will kick on less.
Jackie: Well I heat with baseboard hot water heat, which is wonderful, I love it. I had that in Illinois also and it is a
wonderful heat and you don’t have the forced air blowing in and it is a comfortable warmth, but I know that it has to be
what you’re saying because nothing else makes any sense.
Alan: Yes and if you get static shocks in the winter time in your house, that’s a sign it’s too dry.
Jackie: Yes, well I don’t recall getting static shocks for whatever reason but it has to be that because we’ve had even in
the early summer and of course in the spring we had a lot of days that were 60 and 58 and et cetera. I only wore a pair of
sweats and a flannel shirt and I was very, very comfortable, Alan, and I thank you for that and I wanted to tell our
listeners this because it might slip my mind when winter comes to tell them this, so you keep this in mind, folks.
Alan: There’s no doubt that energy is going to be the big thing. We’re going into a crisis point of crisis creation and
that’s why the gasoline is so high. They’re modifying the weather like crazy. There’s no doubt about it. It’s the Wizard of
Oz with his advanced science that’s doing this.
Jackie: Remember I told you I heard on the Weather Channel that day that it had been really unseasonably cold and
then it started nice and warming up and she says well we’re keeping the temperatures up there for you guys to give you a
break this weekend; and I thought, you know what, they’re really doing it.
Alan: They are doing it.
Jackie: I mean I don’t know if these weather people – do you think they know about this?
Alan: I’m sure they do because I mean even NASA had to put out some kind of cover story to explain the satellite
photographs of the Earth, especially North America which was just almost a fog of they called them contrails from the
aircraft; of course it’s chemical. We know it’s chemicals. Many people have tested this.
Jackie: They said also that it was commercial aircraft, didn’t they?
Alan: Yes and let’s be honest. I mean commercial aircraft didn’t suddenly – in fact there’s less commercial aircraft than
there was last year.
Jackie: Well are they going to make X’s in the sky with underlines and pretty sun rays?
Alan: They’ll probably play games with the O and the X and the straight lines. They’re playing games, plus the HAARP
can be picked up on the shortwave; if you scan the shortwave, you’ll pick up the frequencies.
Jackie: I just lost some volume on you. Oh, there we are. Say that again.
Alan: You’ll find on the shortwave if you scan it, you’ll find where the HAARP frequencies are if you scan during the
day or in the evening and sometimes early in the morning around 9000 kilohertz you’ll find the HAARP and it makes a
wow-wow-wow sound constant. Then around noon time, it’s just before the same station that WWCR is on, it’s just a
little bit before–
Jackie: 12.160?
Alan: It’s just before there around 12,000 you’ll find it and then in the evening it changes just before 5070 and generally
it will stay on that all night until the early morning.
Jackie: What will it be, at about 6000 or what?
Alan: You just scan from about 5000 onwards until you come across it before the first commercial station.
Jackie: And how do you know that’s HAARP, Alan?
Alan: It wasn’t there a couple of years ago. They were testing it once in a while, but about a year and a half ago or so
they started to use it full time. It doesn’t sound like anything else on the shortwave. It’s a pulsation, a very strong signal
and it’s a pulsing sound it makes and of course HAARP have – they have declared – they always legally tell you in a
sense what they’re doing, even if it’s a brief quip somewhere, but they did say that they had stepped up their generating
power and even the Alaskan one; and remember there’s 56 or more of these HAARP facilities across the planet.
Jackie: And there’s acres and acres of transmitters, towers.
Alan: Yes. They can actually link them up in different countries and bounce them off the ionosphere and then bring
them down on any target they want to – hold on a second.
Jackie: Is that Max?
Alan: Saw some rabbits. Wow, it’s a little cat. I don’t know where that came from. That’s new.
Jackie: In the house?
Alan: No, outside, but it’s coming up this way. I don’t know where that came from. Anyway, the HAARP is playing full
time and of course they’re spraying as well like crazy. Even when the storms are going on you see them laying these
lines you know. They never stop.
Jackie: You mean when we’re having thunderstorms?
Alan: Yes. You’ll see it before. In fact, I’ve got used to telling when there’s going to be a thunderstorm because there’s a
different kind of spray they lay out. They lay it on very, very thickly and it turns into that almost like looking through a
polythene sheet across the sky and that’s the polymers, which is a form of plastic molecule that they are spraying, and
it’s quite something to see.
Jackie: Besides the metals.
Alan: The metals come down too.
Jackie: You know it occurs to me that occasionally we do have new listeners I think and we’re sitting here talking as
though everybody knows exactly what we’re talking about. Just briefly, explain what the HAARP project is.
Alan: This is Auroral Research Program, the High Altitude one which is supposed to – it first came out in the Baltic
Region when the Soviet Union was using one in Riga. They built the first one we know of.
Jackie: Is that the one called the woodpecker?
Alan: That’s right. Basically, all the ham radio enthusiastics were coming off the band. They couldn’t even pick up
certain bands because they were blocked out by the woodpecker and it was like a tap, tap, tapping sound at that time,
very fast though, and so eventually they targeted it. They could actually diagnose where it was coming from and the
Russians admitted they were using this type of powerful ‘standing wave’ as they called it which they bounced up into the
ionosphere and then it was targeted down on North America. It was invented by Tesla apparently in the early 1900’s and
Tesla himself said that he was stopping experimentation of it because it superheated the atmosphere. It caused a
standing wave which could be many, many miles wide and around the standing wave, where nothing really moves, just
hot air, they’ll have storms and floods even like a vortex around it. Like a tunnel and he said this could superheat the
atmosphere so much that the atmosphere could ignite and yet here they are building these things all over the place and
actually using them and targeting North America.
Jackie: You know on the video that was made called “Are There Holes in Heaven,” Dr. Nick Begich is on it. There’s
also a physicist and what she was explaining she said that the ionosphere is sort of like a bubble or a balloon – a bubble
around the earth and she said when they send this very concentrated beam of energy into the ionosphere and the earth is
rotating, she said they don’t know but it could literally slash holes right into the ionosphere and totally destroy the
ionosphere.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: And her fear, her concern was that they know not what they do and they can be causing irreparable damage to
this planet and its atmosphere and outer.
Alan: As I say, they definitely have advanced science. I think it’s actually more advanced than the public are even
aware of, or being told of, and I’m sure they know exactly what temperatures to create. They do admit – in fact they
signed a treaty not to use this weather modification and HAARP technology. They signed a treaty at the UN back in the
1970’s and on that treaty they said they will not use it against other countries, so that means they’re open to use it on
their own people.
Jackie: Yes. It doesn’t say anything about within. It prohibits the hostile use of the technology that can cause hurricanes,
title waves, earthquakes, like the tsunami that hit.
Alan: That’s right, so they can do that. They can cause drought and they can cause flooding.
Jackie: I think that was 1972 or ’74. And folks, think about this. The technology, it didn’t say in this ENMOD treaty that
the United Nations did, it didn’t say that it prohibits the research or the development. It says prohibits the use of weather
modification techniques, hostile use, and already back then they were admitting that they can cause earthquakes. They
can cause floods, hurricanes, all kinds of damaging weather and earth upheavals.
Alan: If you look at Alberta where they grow such much of the corn and wheat and so on, for the last four years they
had a drought – in fact they had a plague of locusts–
Jackie: I think that’s what – isn’t that what a grasshopper is?
Alan: It was grasshoppers last year, yes, and so most of the farmers have been going under one by one, and this year
when Ontario – typically you have a standing wave and nothing moves. The air didn’t even move here in Ontario. No
rain up until about yesterday. Alberta was getting flooded for the last two months or so, complete flooding every day,
and whole towns were being upset by this thing.
Jackie: And that’s the big agricultural area.
Alan: Yes, so they’ve been put under and Chile apparently is being built up for the NAFTA for joining NAFTA, and
Monsanto and Archer Daniel Midland have been using our tax money through the NAFTA grants to build up the huge
agricultural business in Chile. It’s interesting as we’re getting put under and our farmers are being put under, here’s the
big boys and the commercial farms ready to go with all their produce that we have paid for basically.
Jackie: Genetically modified produce?
Alan: Yes, and that will start to supply North America when there is no farming here. Everything is preplanned.
Everything that happens in this system is preplanned.
Jackie: It’s difficult for some people to grasp, even though I believe that within them they know it. It’s just so difficult to
accept, to climb out of. Well, you called it free falling. Like free falling, like jumping out of an airplane without a
parachute. If you want the truth we have to be willing to let go of all of everything that we thought we knew and begin
anew so to speak, and the one thing that I’m clear about is that I know we’re much, much closer to the truth than I know
for myself than I have ever been and it has become real clear to me unless I was there, I still don’t absolutely know. I
mean I know that there is truth except that – for example, Alan, I received an email. I don’t know if this appeared on the
news or not. Thirty-two little Iraqi children were killed by a car bomb and I would imagine if it was on the news they
said that it was – you know, what do they call them?
Anyway, there was a report done by a Palestinian, I don’t know if it was a radio or newspaper or whatever. There are
actual photographs that they showed the U.S. soldiers handing down candy to Iraqi children and what they did,
according to this report, they lured the children into the street into the area and they said that there was a vehicle there
that they were afraid had an explosive attached to it and they wanted to keep the children away from it. Well, then they
finally told the people it’s okay, there was nothing wrong with the vehicle. So they had all those children in that area
giving them candy and Pokemon toys and then they took off like a bat out of hell and the car exploded and they said it
wasn’t TNT because it left a crater in the street. It killed 32 little Iraqi children and wounded 10 others that were in the
area and I sent it over to Darrin to put onto our website and I realized truly we don’t know if even that is the truth. It
looks – the pictures. They had the photographs of the soldiers handing down the candy and they had photographs of
adults just sobbing with blood all over their faces and their hands at the children’s death; and yet what I put before it is:
if this is the truth, then the American boys and girls/men and women have become the new world barbarians. Thirtytwo
little children exploded for what?
Alan: There’s so little you can take for – well, you can’t take anything on the news today for granted.
Jackie: See, this wasn’t on the news. That’s the point. This came from a Palestinian or Arab newspaper and whoever put
it online translated parts of it for the English-speaking people and just highlighted certain aspects of it. But that’s what
I’m saying and to me the pictures gave evidence but it occurred to me that the pictures could be pictures of anything.
Alan: We’re in a time as I say of chaos because it’s manufactured chaos and to bring in a new age, which this is, they
always create a chaos. That’s why your gas is going through the ceiling, the price of gasoline. All energy is going
through the roof. They’re modifying the weather to create weather chaos and blame the public for driving and causing it,
and the public believe what they see on the news. They think they’re causing the smog, but they never look at the sky
and see the stuff being sprayed right above their heads.
Jackie: You know probably it was back in 1992 when I first became awake and became involved. I read – actually it
was an article about ethanol and how easy it is to make it. There were actually instructions on how to make ethanol and
run your car on it and in this article it said that the Rothschild’s were buying up at that time hundreds of thousands of
acres of land in Brazil to grow the corn so that when they go to ethanol they will be still the suppliers of our fuel and
they’ll probably make it illegal to make your own ethanol.
Alan: Yes, they will. You won’t be allowed to distill anything at all. They already have those laws in place because any
spirits you distill yourself they crack down on.
Jackie: I thought about that, but it’s like alcohol, yes?So the revenuers will come in and crash up your tanks?
Alan: Yes. There was a fellow who was telling people in Canada a couple of years ago I think online and it was on the
regular news. He was telling people how to make their own and how to build the still to make it and the government did
crack down on it and arrested him.
Jackie: Well, you have to have a license to do that.
Alan: That’s right. You cannot share power. I mean that’s how you keep power. You don’t share it.
Jackie: Yes, the definition I remember reading this of a license is giving you permission to do something that would
otherwise be illegal. We’re at the half hour here, ladies and gentlemen, and once again I’m sorry for our late start tonight
and I’m very grateful for Alan for coming on with us because I certainly wasn’t prepared with information to present to
you tonight.
All right, we’re back with Alan Watt. I stayed in the house today, Alan. I took a break and I spent about 50 hours last
week in that garden, and boy, did I ever wear myself out, so I’ve been inside the last two days. Well, it rained yesterday
and I’ve just been inside trying to take care of some things in here and I’ve been spending some time on the book.
Alan: I put back that bunch that was printed up and were destroyed at the printers.
Jackie: Oh good.
Alan: I’ve got another set made up there.
Jackie: Okay, now see I keep losing volume on you for some reason and you’re back again. It’s interesting. You just go
real, real almost far away. Why don’t you give your address and tell the listeners how they can get the books.
Alan: I’ve got three of them and I call them “Cutting Through” and you can imagine what I’m cutting through and it’s I,
II and III. [See www..comfor ordering information.]
They go through the freemasonry aspect. They go through the historical aspect of the religious collusion with the
different agencies and crowns and so on, and countries bringing us to where we are today and where they’re going from
here, and it’s documented as much as possible. There’s no real speculation because it’s spelled out for you to follow.
The last bunch I had printed up they destroyed the copies and the master copies so I had to go through a whole bunch of
paste-ups to try and put it all back together again.
Jackie: But you did get it all back together.
Alan: Yes I did, like Humpty Dumpty.
Jackie: Although Humpty Dumpty wasn’t able to be put back together again.
Alan: I know, I know. This was a job, I’ll tell you, but these things happen when you’re trying to write about things you
don’t normally find in the bookstores.
Jackie: Alan?One of the things from what I understand in freemasonry is that they’re supposed to revenge the death of
Jacques de Molay. Well that’s recent. I mean what was that, about 500 years ago?
Alan: No. Molay I think was in the 1300’s.
Jackie: Oh, 1300’s.So about 700 years ago?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: But my point is that freemasonry has been around a lot longer than 1300 years.
Alan: It was there under different names thousands of years ago.
Jackie: Yes, but it wasn’t called freemasonry at the time?
Alan: No. They always use the builders’ terminology because they build society. They build culture and then they
change culture.
Jackie: They build temples in men’s minds.
Alan: That’s right. And of course the whole idea of masonry, Solomon’s Temple is the individual himself. They rebuild
Solomon’s Temple, meaning they take the basic person and rebuild him and he becomes a holy temple as a fully-fledged
freemason. These are all allegories and it’s all in the Old Testament too. It’s disguised under different stories and of
course they didn’t invent it. It was on the go before, all the way back into Egypt and even into Sumer. It’s been here for
thousands of years and freemasonry that was given to the general public or the middle classes in the 1700’s in Europe
was a fairly new thing. They’d used primarily the nobility as the builders for thousands of years, but in the 1700’s they
had to bring in a middle class to help manage the Industrial Revolution which they were putting society through as a
plan. Therefore they had to give them a lesser form of masonry and so they created freemasonry for the middle classes
and then for the lower classes eventually and also for the military.
The standing armies have traditionally always been Masonic. All of their drilling their marching and everything is all
Masonic ritual, even if they don’t know it themselves, and pretty well every military base has a Masonic temple within it
and when they go abroad they have a traveling lodge that goes with them. The British before the American Revolution
started up various lodges and they planted the English lodge throughout America; Benjamin Franklin joined it. He was
one of the first in his area to join it and he wrote about it and eventually when the British army came in they also
brought the Orange Lodge with them as a traveling lodge and during the battles or after the battles Washington and
different masons would cross the lines and share Masonic brotherhood with their supposed enemy the British in their
lodges and sign their books. That’s the whole thing about freemasonry. When there’s battles or wars going on, if they
give the Masonic signs to each other and the passwords, they’re true brothers and must help each other regardless of
what side they’re on.
Jackie: I saw a painting that was done depicting George Washington, the British Cornwallis and a couple of other of
their probably higher-ups in the army in a tent during the Revolutionary War sharing tea and having a little chat, and
this is while their “Revolutionary” war was going on. It was after Carol Valentine’s report that she did on the Noahide
laws and she used – I saw the definition before but I didn’t understand it so I pretended it wasn’t there. The definition of
a freemason is a Noahide and so I took that one paragraph and set it aside and said I want to do some more research on
this and then I found a lot of information in an old book called “The Cause of World Unrest” and it was very telling,
very telling. The connection if you would between what they call themselves Jews, the so called Jews and freemasonry–
Alan: Well, every freemason becomes a Jew when they join.
Jackie: They have to, Alan.
Alan: No, it’s actually called that – to the public they call it an Entered Apprentice; to each other they call it the Jewish
apprentice.
Jackie: Do they really?
Alan: The whole ritual is taken from the mythological Jews who joined. It wasn’t Jews actually. It was Hebrews at that
point supposedly that joined the secret society of Hiram from Tyre. He came to help build the temple, which again is all
allegory for the story, and he had a secret society with him; so these Tyrians or Phoenicians actually, they were a
Phoenician group, and the king was Hiram supposedly came to Solomon and initiated some of Solomon’s own men into
the secret society and that’s what it’s all based on. However, this is all mythological because as I say you can find the
traces of the secret society 5,000 years before that. You’ll find it in very, very early Egypt and you’ll also find it within
the writings of the priests of Sumer, so it’s been here for what we can call the beginning of civilization – which is the
system. That’s what they mean by civilization: The system of rulership with a small learned class holding power over
the people and religious classes who at that time acted as bureaucrats over the people and managed all the public affairs.
That’s what they mean by civilization.
Jackie: That’s exactly the way it is today.
Alan: Yes. It’s their system. It’s never changed.
Jackie: The police chiefs and a lot of the police, the politicians, the bureaucrats, they’re all freemasons.
Alan: They’re all freemasons.
Jackie: Supreme Court judges.
Alan: Peter Wright was on trial during Margaret Thatcher’s era. He worked for MI5 and MI6 and he was so disgusted
with what was happening within the organizations that he wrote a book called “Spycatcher.” He tells you that when he
was asked to come in as an expert in electronics, that’s why he came into it, he said that when he went to the small office
where the records keeper basically. Very much like the James Bond movies with Miss Moneypenny was it? That same
sort or type of secretary said to him “of course you must be a mason,” and he says, “no, I’m not.” She says, “wow” she
says “everyone in this organization is a freemason” and so he let a lot out of the bag as he wrote that book “Spycatcher”.
Jackie: Did you say he was on trial?
Alan: Margaret Thatcher charged him with disclosing secrets of the realm, so he was charged with treason. His second
book was “The A to Z of Spycatching” and that’s when she had him arrested; and in it and during the trial he did bring
up the fact that Lord Rothschild of England, Victor Rothschild, who was one of the few members of the family who also
did something else apart from banking. He was also a scientist and he was in charge of most of the military secrets of
Porton Downs, the military establishment for bacterial and biological warfare, and Peter Wright alluded to the fact that
the main spies who all defected from MI6 and MI5 to the Soviets had all been lodgers. They all boarded with Lord
Rothschild and his wife in their early years, so he was bringing the connections forth that this Mr. Rothschild was
passing the secrets on to the Soviets. Every time the head of MI5 got close to this truth he was immediately suspended
or demoted and they put somebody else in place, so he let a lot of stuff out of the bag and Margaret Thatcher put Peter
Wright on trial for disclosing all this information.
Jackie: Did you say he wrote two books?
Alan: Yes. “The “A to Z of Spycatching” when they arrested him. They didn’t put him in prison. They had to let him go
but they did take all the books and they put them back in the pulp. The pulped them all back to pulp. He was disclosing
the fact that Lord Rothschild was the head, he was “The Fifth Man” as they called it, this person who controlled these
MI5 double agents in Britain and Victor Rothschild was the only contact with them all. What was more amazing was the
fact that every bit of information that Victor Rothschild was given to do with any of their technology was immediately
known to the Soviets and it could only have been through Victor Rothschild. There was another writer after Peter
Wright wrote a book called “The Fifth Man” and in it he goes through a lot of this stuff about the Rothschild’s.
Jackie: Is that book – was that pulped also?
Alan: No. That one is available and I have it.”The Fifth Man” was the title of the book.
Jackie: Where was it published, over in England?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Victor Rothschild –I want to ask you a question. Now Amschel, was he the first Rothschild?
Alan: There was old Amschel.
Jackie: So Victor was down the line a little ways.
Alan: Yes. Victor was in the British army. He joined the British army during World War II as a bomb disposal expert
and eventually was promoted up to the head of the scientific and development part of the military. Even after his name
was connected to these MI5 agents that defected to the Soviets, these double agents, rather than kick Rothschild out he
ended up in charge of all the British security forces. That’s what Peter Wright was so angry about. Why on earth would
you put this guy who was a suspect in charge of all your security forces? Until you figure it out that the whole thing is
nonsense. There was no Cold War. The elite who ruled Britain created a fake enemy, the great bear in Russia and they
created the Cold War and they had to make it very real to the public and even to a lot of the small players involved in it
like Peter Wright himself. The fact was the Soviets couldn’t feed themselves from the beginning to the end. They
couldn’t even make a good television set. They were supported totally by sales of grain from the U.S. and Canada right
up until the very end.
Jackie: I don’t think sales, Alan.
Alan: I know, I know. We loaned them the money, which they could then buy the grain from us.
Jackie: There was one thing. I read a book and this was very early on when I was first becoming involved and it was
written by I can’t remember. He was a guy that ran for president. Anyway, he told in there about the export import banks
and I had known about that but I didn’t know what it was and he explained it and used an example. When a private
corporation for example loans money and he used an example of the Soviet Union and I forget what company it was –
what bank. Probably a Rockefeller bank here that loaned the Soviets hundreds of millions of dollars to build the
[Decoma] River Plant which was a plant that not only built trucks but all kinds of war machines, war vehicles. Well the
export import is that the import export or whatever. I think I get it backwards all the time. Anyway, the reason it was set
up was to guarantee loans that are made by private corporations to foreign countries if those foreign countries do not
pay and so the export import bank our tax dollars reimbursed Rockefeller’s Chase Manhattan Bank hundreds of millions
of dollars that went over to the Soviet Union to build war vehicles that in essence could be used against us. And you
know I went to a town hall meeting while Dick Durbin was there, our U.S. Congressman, in Collinsville. Alan, talk
about an early-on education, when he was taking questions I had the book there and it was a paperback and this guy’s
name is escaping me of course. Anyway, I mentioned this and I said I’d like to know about this. I’d like you to comment
on this that our tax dollars are being used dah-da-dah and he looked at me and he started talking and he wound all
around me and I’m still standing because I’m waiting for him to respond to my questions and I’m telling you, he just
somehow danced around me and the next thing you know he was calling on someone else and I was still standing there
and I raised my hand while I was standing up and he pretended I was invisible. And do you know the thing is the thing
that shocked me more than anything is that the people who were sitting there didn’t say wait a minute. Why don’t you
answer this lady’s question? Respond to what she just said. Do you know what they wanted, the next lady that raised her
hand? She wanted to know how come she couldn’t when she had to drive to Springfield to work she couldn’t count it as
commute time and she wanted some bill passed that would allow her to deduct that on her income tax. I was in shock,
Alan.
Alan: That’s a good example though of the purpose of setting up the Soviet Union because it was the dialectic approach
to a third way. First they created capitalism and then the other side of the coin was communism and then they blend the
two together because they’ve socialized society. What Lenin said was when the politicians in the United States begin to
discuss during elections social issues, to do with pensions, healthcare and so on, then they have been effectively
socialized; and that would never have happened if it wasn’t for the supposed enemy across the sea there, the Soviet
Union. That was its purpose; it was to make the people back home say well they better give them some benefits or they
may revolt. This worked very, very well. The countries of the West are all socialized now.
Jackie: Is there something in the Bible that says beware of the bear from the north?
Alan: No. That was Nostradamus and it’s the same with the “yellow hordes.” That was Nostradamus too. It wasn’t the
Bible.
Jackie: I’ve told you this, when I was little I spent a lot of time listening to the adults conversations and I remember
during I think it was after the war, World War II, but I remember some neighbor that use to spout the Bible all the time
when they were sitting around having coffee and they were talking about Russia and she said that in the Bible – I
thought she said the Bible. It says beware of the bear from the north and that that is Russia.
Alan: You see, in the celestial sky towards the North Pole, you’ll see the Great Bear and that’s always been associated
with Satan, that area.
Jackie: Is that Ursa?
Alan: There’s Ursa Major and Minor. Also in the Bible they make references to Satan living in the north, so that’s
always been associated with the Great Bear.
Jackie: I can remember walking to school worrying about whether or not we were going to be attacked by Russia.
Alan: Fear is a fantastic method of controlling millions and millions of people because they look towards leadership to
take care of things for them. It’s a natural tribal instinct, which these people at the top understand very well and they
manipulate it to their advantage and they take advantage of the people all the time. That’s why we’re always in a
constant state of crisis. There’s not been one generation who’ve lived in a time of peace from the beginning to the end of
their life. Either financial chaos or war or both, but they keep us going up and down like yo-yos.
Jackie: Yes and you know what I’d like you to do our last few minutes here? Comment, address that, how we can know
this stuff and not be living in fear. Not be living in panic and know this stuff. Will you talk about that?
Alan: The first thing is not to respond to it. I take it for granted that whatever comes out of the news, and I’ve got plenty
of information to back this up, whatever comes out of the news is psychological warfare. It’s designed that way. It’s not
new by the way. The news business was not taken over recently. It was set up like this. In the 1700’s in England–
Jackie: I’m talking about the topics that we discuss on this broadcast, it could be very frightening to people.
Alan: It can only be frightening if they take it to heart that what’s happening is all by chance. When you realize it’s all
planned this way you begin to lose your fear, especially when you realize it’s always been this way. It’s a technique of
controlling the peoples’ minds through fear; and once you realize that, you stop fearing them and of course you stop
using their system. You stop voting even for them. Why would you vote for a corrupt system that’s always been corrupt?
Jackie: Why would you vote when your vote doesn’t count anyway?
Alan: Exactly, yes, so the thing is to take everything with not a pinch of salt but a mountain of salt because
psychological warfare is nothing new. It’s been used on your grandparents and their predecessors too. It’s ongoing and
it’s a technique to make you submit to powerful figures in the system so that they can get their way; and their way is
always more for them, less for you and it’s a form of tyranny, which we now call democracy. And tyranny is tyranny. It
doesn’t matter what they want to call it, what guise they give it. Stop giving your power to them. Stop worrying about
the things they tell you to worry about and start thinking for yourself.
Jackie: Yes and not only that, but knowing this. Knowing that it’s all by design. Like for example the aspartame in the
food, to kill people, to reduce the population, et cetera. Do everything that we can. In other words, make choices of how
we’re going to spend our time, Alan?
Alan: Absolutely.
Jackie: And are we going to go, oh, well I’m not going to garden because it’s too time consuming, and then are we
going to eat their poison food and their genetically modified food that genetically modifies the body, or will we do what
we can to live as naturally and free of their system as possible.
Alan: Also, it takes every individual who knows this stuff to speak out about it to whoever they meet.
Jackie: Exactly.
Alan: They mustn’t be afraid to speak. When you’re afraid to speak the game is over.
Jackie: Well, we’ll do this some more, won’t we, Alan?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Thanks so much for being here tonight.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back tomorrow night on time bearing any unforeseen incidents. Thank you for
being here folks. God bless you. Good night Alan.
Alan: Good night.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
July 25, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Guess what? We’re on time tonight. Isn’t that a treat? It is for me and I
suppose at least you’ll appreciate it. Today is Monday. Thanks for being here with us tonight. It is the 25th of July and it
just seems like the whole month of July passed me by like it was never here. I don’t know about you, about the concept
of time, it’s weird. Anyway, it is the 25th of July in the year 2005 and our guest this evening is Alan Watt once again.
I’m very appreciative of Alan coming on with us. I’m having some kind of a problem with my printer and there’s
information I’ve been wanting to share with you folks and I can’t get it out of the printer and Alan was kind enough to
come on here and keep this broadcast rolling. Alan Watt, thanks for being here tonight.
Alan: Yes, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: So how has it been with you and what’s up?
Alan: Oh, just the very hot weather we’re getting up here and the spraying of course. They’ve announced that there’s
going to be a storm tomorrow, so I watched them make it, spray it above me in preparation for the storm. That’s how
down pat they have this.
Jackie: So they’re actually calling for the weather tomorrow?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: So you’re watching them prepare the skies for the weather that they’re calling for?
Alan: That’s right. It’s quite something to watch them just go from east to west back and forth and lay on this odd
looking – well, you’ve seen it. It’s like someone stuck their hand in candy cane and just pull out big strands of it in
different directions and some of them are different, plus the trails they leave behind them are spreading much faster than
they used to.
Jackie: You’re talking like cotton candy, yes?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Cotton candy. They way they can wisp it out?
Alan: Yes, and unlike normal clouds they go in all directions and have these long curling tails on them, so it’s like
living in a science fiction movie and or maybe a horror movie, because like horror movies most of the people involved
don’t know what’s happening to them. That’s the oddest thing about it.
Jackie: I think I was telling you about this. I got an email and somebody was kind of doing an overview on all the stuff
that’s going on, a quick one with the chemtrails, the food additives, the genetically modified food, the vaccines. All the
new and unique and sometimes unseemingly untreatable diseases, designer diseases, and then at the end of it he says
gosh it almost seems like someone is trying to kill us, doesn’t it?
Alan: I mean chemicals that should not be there will make you ill. Anything that’s not naturally in nature especially in
these concentrated doses will eventually affect everybody. There’s no getting away from it. It’s everywhere.
Jackie: Yes, and the people that call you. You’ve talked to people from all over the country that so many of them or that
the people that they know are having respiratory problems.
Alan: Yes, frequent recurring too and some people are more prone to it than others as well, so it shows up on them
more frequently and more obviously. A lot of people you know can carry these illnesses and pneumonias for even two
or three years before it really hits them, but the older they get the more it takes it out of them and so the more obvious it
is. However, the very young and the very elderly are coming down first, but it’s also affecting all age groups. Whether
they smoke or not doesn’t matter and people who are prone to allergic responses are coming down with it too. This is
affecting – in fact pharmacists across the country and from other people who’ve phoned me they talk to the pharmacist
and I ask them to talk to the pharmacist and it’s like taking an informal study because the pharmacists are going great
guns with antibiotics right now to cope with the bronchial infections.
Jackie: Didn’t you suggest that people ask their pharmacists what is the most prescribed antibiotic today?
Alan: The new one they’re dishing out by the handful or the bucket full is Vioxin. That’s a fairly recent one but I
wouldn’t really use that except if nothing else works. It’s more expensive too than the regular antibiotics and because it’s
fairly new I don’t think it has a generic supply yet. They have the patent for a while.
Jackie: You’ll probably pay about $20 a pill for it.
Alan: Yes, something like that, not far off actually with the dispensing fee. The next most commonly prescribed thing
for people who never had this before are the bronchial inhalers for bronchial dilators for people normally who have
asthma and now it’s being used for people who are developing asthmatic symptoms later in life and it’s due to these
chemtrails.
Jackie: Yes, there are young people. It isn’t just later in life because there are several friends that we have that I know
their children are suddenly asthmatic and have never been asthmatic in their life.
Alan: That’s happening more and more frequently. We’ll never get a complete study because I’m sure the government is
keeping a lid on it. We know they’re keeping a lid on the fact that they’re even spraying. They won’t even talk about it
but they’re collecting all the data, I’m sure. Another sort of informal study you can do is to inquire from undertakers
what the most common cause of death is today and if their business is up, and it certainly is, and once again it’s
persistent pneumonias. This is affecting everybody from north to south and east to west.
Jackie: Gosh Alan, it sounds like somebody is trying to kill us, doesn’t it?
Alan: No. That’s paranoid now, Jackie. They wouldn’t do anything to harm us.
Jackie: I’m just a conspiracy theorist.
Alan: Yes, they actually love us and they’re just helping the aliens to take care of us. But no, I mean not one single
newscaster on regular media or a newspaper will even touch the subject, so they all know that it isn’t just losing their job
perhaps. It’s maybe the fact they’ll never work again or it might even be more serious, but no one will touch the subject.
Jackie: Well, they aren’t allowed to and even if they did, do you think the news is live – the news is precut, isn’t it?
Alan: Yes it is. Everything is bits and bites and it’s all censored, edited. If you look at the end of the newscast, which
most people don’t, just look at how many producers are there editors, sub-editors and so on who decide what’s to be left
in and what’s to be read over the airwaves.
Jackie: In other words, what you’re saying is the whole show is produced but you’ve got the one person sitting there live
doing their scripting; because I was thinking if one of them dared to just come right out and tell the truth it wouldn’t
even be aired, but maybe one of these days some brave person will just get up and say I can’t do this anymore right on
the air right live. You know what I mean, Alan?
Alan: It wouldn’t happen because there is no such thing today as actually live. They have at least 20 to 30 seconds
delay.
Jackie: Okay, that’s what I was wondering.
Alan: And they’d switch to something else right away.
Jackie: So it couldn’t happen.
Alan: Everybody is being watched you know.
Jackie: Well, I got an email not too long ago and allegedly, you don’t know this but it was somebody who said that it
was a friend of theirs who worked for one of the networks and she said – this is referencing the past presidential election
and you know there was next to nothing in the news about all the vote scam that went on all over the country but
actually it was the state of Ohio where it was just totally out of this world. In other words, in one precinct using this as
an example. Let’s say they had 85,000 people voting when maybe there were only 30,000 registered voters in that
precinct. It was just out of this world and I remember watching that night. I flipped it on just before I went to bed and
this Ken Blackwell who’s the Secretary of State there in Ohio, he was saying it’s going to be at least 10 days before we
can get the vote in and da-da-da and the next morning they were calling up for Bush and you know what I found out?
I’ve been doing some research on JINSA, that’s Jewish Institute for National Security something. Okay. JINSA. It’s a
Jewish organization and they’ve got this board of advisers and I was looking at the board of advisers. Ken Blackwell is
one of the JINSA board of advisers. I think between JINSA and APAC they’ve got the U.S. government pretty well tied
up. I mean APAC controls the Congress because of their large amounts of money; they can get rid of a congressman if
they want to and JINSA is the adviser and so many of the people that are part of JINSA – in fact Cheney used to be on
the board of advisers. Wolfowitz, I think it was in 2003 he was given the Man of the Year Award by JINSA and they
come right out in their mission statement in their program and talk about that basically what their function is is to work
hand-in-hand with the U.S. and Israel for the protection of Israel.
Alan: These are huge lobby groups as well with tremendous funding.
Jackie: They’ve got a whole bunch of retired military admirals, majors, et cetera on their advisory board. It’s really
pretty sick. But you know what? At least – I don’t know. It gives you a sense at least – not more than a sense. It takes
away any doubt whatsoever that the U.S. government is totally under the control of these creatures.
Alan: I think the U.S. government was maybe set up for this very purpose. I always think of the symbols of the U.S.
from the beginning, actually before the beginning, all the Masonic symbols are so open. They’re ancient symbols going
way back to Sumer actually through Egypt with the eagle, the symbol of Manasseh with holding the arrows in one hand
and the olive branch in the other. Of course you’ve got 13 fruit and 13 arrows in the U.S. one and the Rothschild family
has the same symbol with 5 fruit and 5 arrows for the 5 sons of Rothschild but it’s the same part of the coat of arms.
Jackie: And there was the 13 original colonies.
Alan: That’s right and before that, I’ve got an old book from the early 1800’s with the coinage and the tokens they were
using for money prior to the revolutionary war.
Jackie: In the colonies?
Alan: In the colonies and this stuff about FDR putting the Great Seal or putting the pyramid on the money with the All-
Seeing Eye on the pyramid, this was done before the Revolutionary War because if you check into the tokens that they
were using and the money they were using prior to that in the colonies you will see the same thing there. They were
using the pyramid and the All-Seeing Eye prior to 1776.
Jackie: Yes well Alan, the chapters of the book that I have been working on so diligently for the past week and a half.
Maybe it’s been two weeks. I don’t know. I’ve just lost time. It’s chapters 16, 17 and 18 and they’re already to go over to
Darrin. In fact, I’ve got them sitting there just ready to send over. This is exactly what was addressed in these chapters.
Well actually chapter 16 turned into three of them because first we were looking at the connection between the Talmud
and the freemasons, the Jews and the freemasons. I mean it just leaves no room for doubt and then the question came
into my mind actually after I finished chapter 12 of the book about the Revolutionary War because they constantly take
claim – they brag that every single revolution that they were behind, so I got to looking into that and there is absolutely
no doubt that it was orchestrated and pulled off and paid for this Hyam Solomon that is the big hero of the revolution.
There’s one of the bios on him from I think it’s called Wikipedia. It’s an encyclopedia online. Well Wicca or something
like that. I thought of what you said about Wicca. But anyway, they come right out and say that he went over to France
and got money from the Rothschild’s to finance the Revolutionary War and in so many ways how they were involved in
this and one of the pieces that I was excerpting from said that when the Declaration of Independence was written it was
sent to Holland via St. Eustatius. I think it’s St. Eustatius or something like that. It was an island where the Jews had
developed a stronghold and they were supplying et cetera–
Alan: Gunpowder was coming in too.
Jackie: That’s right. But here’s what it said, that the Declaration of Independence was sent to Holland via the Jews from
St. Eustacia. And that it was stopped by an English ship and confiscated and that the Declaration of Independence had a
letter along with it that was explaining the document and it was in Hebrew. The letter was in Hebrew and then I found a
piece on the French Revolution and that was the last thing I added to chapter 18. Well I started doing some research on
Lafayette, I got wondering about that guy. That was the French – he entered the war. He was a wealthy Frenchman
came over, he actually according to the bio purchased a ship and put together a bunch of – I guess they were
revolutionaries. Actually, they didn’t call them that. But Lafayette was a Freemason and he was the Grand Master of the
Grand Orient Lodge until his death. He came over here and helped whip the colonists into fighting shape along with his
revolutionaries that he brought with him. Then he goes back to France and then of course Benjamin Franklin was the
Ambassador to France for five years after that, so was Thomas Jefferson, and it said that after he went back to France he
kept very close contact with brother Benjamin Freedman and then Thomas Jefferson and then it proceeded to say that –
I forget the words they used. Basically, he helped to foment the Russian Revolution and actually fought in it and then
again in 18 – maybe it was 31, I can’t remember the exact date. He actually led a revolution to take down the Bourbons,
so this was an international revolutionist.
Alan: It was international. Albert Pike wrote about it.Albert Pike said at that time in the 1800’s, he said that we are
behind revolutions. He didn’t mince words about it and he said that we never begin a premature revolution. In other
words, they do all their groundwork first. It takes years to set up. They train the people to do exactly what they’re to do.
They go over every possible scenario that could occur and ways to defeat oppositions long before it even begins and he
said that’s why they’re so able to pull it off; and then Pike trained Giuseppe Mazzini, which is just Josef Mason. That’s
what it means. Mazzini is Mason, and he became the head of the World Revolutionary Party in Italy and that became the
communist party Lenin took over from Mazzini. This was a continuous thread right through the Scottish Rite of
Freemason from Charleston in the States.
Jackie: In the book that I excerpted from in chapter 16 was titled “The Cause of World Unrest” and it did mention that
letter that Mazzini allegedly wrote and how they said that they were going to loose the nihilists and the atheists. I mean
the bloody terror that they were going to cause and it all has happened that way. And the thing that’s amazing to me, I
found this piece on the French Revolution and in 1789 which is of course when the treasonous U.S. Constitution was
being ratified here during the French Revolution or just before it – anyway, they came up with what they called the
Declaration of Rights of Man and Citizens, okay. Well, guess who wrote that? Well, in the first place, this article and I
excerpted this and is the last part of chapter 18 the article said if you look at article 1 of the French Declaration and you
look at article 1 of the UN Resolution you see that they’re almost identical, and Alan, they were. I went and looked them
up and put them in there and then so I’m reading this French Declaration and then you get down to the bottom and it
says the above document was written by Major, General or whatever, Lafayette and his good friend and neighbor
Thomas Jefferson. So there we are and of course they said a lot of it was based on the Declaration of Independence.
Well, who wrote the Declaration of Independence? It wasn’t Thomas Jefferson. His name was put to it, but when you’ve
got the same damn language from back in the 1700’s right up to 1948 and the UN is the same creatures with the same
plan.
Alan: There’s no doubt this has been an old plan that’s been worked down through the centuries to get to total control
and it’s a scary kind of future they envisaged because it is total control. They don’t believe in individual freedom. They
believe in the collective and they also under the guise of – because they use communism of course to the extreme
because the final system, which we see right now in fact, has a fascist elitist group at the top with a massive bureaucracy
running the common people under a communistic system, socialist system. It’s a combination of the two and Lenin
himself said there are three explanations to describe communism. He says there’s one for the workers, which is very
simple because they must get the workers behind them for revolution sake and they will think that it’s going to give
them equal rights and so on. Then there’s one for the middle management level, which is more detailed in the scientific
socialism which is very important. Then of course there’s actual real ones at the top who understand the agenda and that
is for those who deserve to rule the world have the right because of their superior intellect, they have the right to manage
the lives of every single individual on the planet.
Jackie: Wasn’t Voltaire somebody that has been pushed out there like a great?
Alan: Voltaire – just like today they use a lot of writers and novelists and so on because most ideas are put across
through fiction because your guard is down and you enjoy the book and you don’t realized you’re being programmed
along a certain way. Voltaire initially was from Switzerland. A lot of them came from Switzerland, these
revolutionaries. Voltaire was groomed by a woman in Switzerland, a very wealthy woman. He had to leave there
eventually because he was caught three or four times exposing himself in the streets to children and so they took him to
France and eventually Benjamin Franklin took over as the Grand Master of the French Orient Lodge and he initiated
Voltaire into the society.
Jackie: Yes he did. I read about that – and this was right from the Grand Lodge, The Ancient and Accepted da-da-da
from Scotland, and it was a piece on freemasonry. It told about all these wonderful people like George Washington and
Benjamin Franklin and Voltaire and Lafayette. It told all their names. But anyway, it told in there that – I think Voltaire
was in his 70’s according to this when he was initiated into the higher degrees and that brother Benjamin Franklin did
the rites and everything and then Voltaire touched the lambs wool, the apron to his lips with tears in his eyes.
Alan: That’s right. When he did that with his apron, I guess he exposed himself again.
Jackie: I guess he would have, wouldn’t he?
Alan: There was so many perverted people in these societies towards the top and of course the ones down below don’t
know that but they are very perverted and it’s almost as though they’re selected for that. People who have a grudge
against society or they’re personally an outcast because of their preferences are used to promote the agenda through
writing and today it’s movies and so on, but this is an old technique. Benjamin Franklin also belonged to the Hellfire
Club in England outside London High Wycombe and it’s an interesting name, High Wycombe, from Wicca, you see,
and they had the riotous orgies there. The odd thing was during the Revolutionary War when Franklin was over in
France, he traveled there every other month to London and he got into London – no one stopped him. You think he’d be
arrested, but he was allowed to come and go into London and attend these orgies at the Hellfire Club and of course the
actual Hellfire Club itself is still standing today and they had about five years ago in the British newspapers they
renovated it and they did take up the floor boards and they found the remains of I think it was five or six babies.
Jackie: Oh, they were doing sacrifices.
Alan: They were either doing that – but they were doing more than that. They were doing selective breeding because
every High Masonic club at that time had a type of brothel attached.
Jackie: All right, listen. Hold the thought. Don’t lose your train of thought because we have to take our break. Ladies
and gentlemen, we’ll be right back with Alan Watt. And please don’t lose your train of thought there. The babies and the
selective breeding.
All right, we’re back with Alan Watt, and folks, those of you who listen regularly are very aware that Alan has written
three books. His third one is now being delivered and I’m going to have Alan explain a little bit about the books and
give you his address for those of you who would be interested. The reason I see these as so critical is that Alan gives us
a lot of ancient history and as he’s said over and over again that the same things happen down through the ages and for
me and I believe that. I didn’t disbelieve it at all.
But Alan, I was explaining this to you. The research that I’ve done and all of the connections that have been made and
that there can be no denying that what you said about the U.S. being founded to bring in the final plan of the New World
Order, the world they’ve planned for world dominion. With all the information that I’ve discovered there can be no
denying it and there’s something different about believing it and actually knowing it and it’s sort of like taking a
magnifying class just to one little piece of history going back 200 years. When you see the plan besides the writers and
the producers and the directors and the actors and all of the intrigue and all of the machinations, you realize that this
same plan with the same type of activity – it’s like a pattern that has gone on throughout the ages right up to today all
over this whole planet and your books take us way back there and help us literally to get out of the forest so we can see
the trees. I guess that’s what it is. That’s what I wanted to say about that. If there’s anything else that you want to say,
you go ahead.
Alan: Both Franklin and Jefferson made the same statement in their memoirs and they both said that the federation or
the confederation of the United States would lead to a confederation of the world, of the nations, under one government
run by 12 wise men. The 12 wise men of course in the Cabala is the perfect number of government. These guys were
steeped in Cabalistic teachings.
Jackie: In Hyman Solomon’s – one of his bios that I read they said that it has been said that he actually he wrote the
Declaration of Independence which is hogwash too and that he designed the Great Seal of the U.S. and that he always
knew that America would be a world – an empire or something like that.
Alan: That’s why of course Wolfowitz and the rest of these boys in that club have said that this is the New American
Century. They say there must be an empire. There’s always been a world empire leader and they are the new world
empire leader, so they’ve almost achieved their goals.
Jackie: Yes they have and you know I’ve thought about that with the John Birch Society’s magazine “The New
Americans.” I wonder if that’s a code for them for New America, the New American Century.
Alan: Birch is a Masonic term.
Jackie: Birch was a Mason.
Alan: Birch, Ash, Icke – Icke is oak in German. He’s oak, you see, which is higher than the birch, and so they use these
trees for specific designations and it’s a warning to all masons what they are. Masons always have their little clue there
through the names of societies and so on.
Jackie: You know the Birch Society reprinted [Berule’s] book. What the heck was the name of that book? You know
Abby Berule, the Secret Societies or whatever and in the preface of the book they had said that freemasonry is no longer
– it’s now benign. In other words, there’s no power left in the freemasonry. Welsh. That was his name, right?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Welsh. What kind of a name is that?
Alan: Again, it’s not from Britain, put it that way. It’s not Welsh, it’s Welch, ‘ch.’ A lot of these names are abbreviated.
They compact them. You’ll hear the name Baruch who was the banker. Now a lot of them of the same name compacted
it down to Birk (Burke, Burk), for instance; so Welch is like Wel-loch or Wel-lash and so they compact it down – that’s
what they do with a lot of these names.
Jackie: Are you having a storm there?
Alan: Not yet. They’re still spraying. It’s building up to it though.
Jackie: I just heard almost cracking like lightning.
Alan: There may be further south.
Jackie: Tell our listeners about your books and they can get them.
Alan: Yes. There’s three of them and I call them Cutting Through and there’s I, II and III. [See www..com for ordering
information] and I’ll get it back to you as soon as I can.
Jackie: And you do recommend if they’re only getting one book and they don’t have the first one they should get the
first one first?
Alan: Yes. I lead them through the Masonic steps and leading up to the final one, which is a lot of ancient history to do
with the same takeover techniques with the money boys and so on in ancient times through what records remain and you
can see how incredibly precise this high masonry is. There’s nothing slipshod about it. It’s a science. A definite science,
so much so, that your whole language as been created and masonically encoded in the 1500’s when they updated English
from the old German Saxon to what we call English today and Francis Bacon who helped to do that and he talked about
it. He said, “we are creating the international language of the future which will be called English.” They had a whole
team of priests basically working on the creation of the English language and Shakespeare worked with them too, and
Shakespeare through his plays introduced – I can’t remember how many thousands of words, over I think 100,000 new
words, into the English language. Basically, they created the English language.
Jackie: Why are they making a big deal today about everybody having to learn Spanish like here in the U.S.?
Alan: It’s simply for the U.S. to have more friction. They’re building up internal friction within the United States on
purpose and then they’ll pass laws which are coming down on everyone and then they’ll come out with all the solutions
to it. They’ve done the same in Canada. They have French and English. They’ve tried this in different countries so they
know how to create friction very easily.
Getting back to the Hellfire Club, in the 1700’s and right up to today in some very high clubs they have brothels attached
to them. Now these weren’t normal brothels in the usual sense; they did have women who worked “regularly” you might
say, but they also had the higher prostitutes who were very high-class prostitutes with certain genetic lines in their blood
basically, in their genes; and the Hellfire Club when Franklin was a member, the top one there was Madame Bouvier.
Jackie: That was related to Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy?
Alan: That’s right. In fact, there’s two of them still alive today, two of the Bouvier’s in France, two sisters. They were
highly sought after and if you could serve the system well of Masonry to further the revolutionary cause towards global
governance by this intellectual elite or you contributed to science—that’s why they all try to get their names in the
science books—then you were allowed to mate with one of these high women, and the offspring then was trained and
brought up as a tongue-in-cheek “orphan.” The “window’s son” they call it, and he would be trained for high office
either in bureaucracy or politics. This still goes on today and there’s talk even that Bill Clinton was one of these and that
his father was one of the Rockefellers but his mother definitely was a high-class Madame Bouvier type who went to the
very wealthy parties all over Europe and America.
Jackie: Oh, she wasn’t the lowly maid?
Alan: Oh, no. No. She went to very expensive parties and traveled extensively.
Jackie: You know I was wondering about this Lafayette. In his bio they said that his father died when he was two years
old and that 11 years later his mother and grandfather died leaving him immensely wealthy and he was trained at the
military school there and by the age of 16 I mean he was a professional solider. It made me wonder when the mother
and grandfather died 11 years later if it was a natural death, or an accident, or were they taken out of the picture so their
minion could have that kind of wealth.
Alan: Well, it’s that and it’s also to cover the fact that they have brought up these children with one training and that’s
the expertise in martial war. Napoleon was also raised for that exact same purpose and when they came out with the first
Declaration of Rights in France, they also said that we think that a man may come out of Corsica—where Napoleon was
born and raised. A man might come out of Corsica and lead the revolution to glory; and of course Napoleon came along
and he was steeped from the age of five onwards in nothing but warfare and warfare techniques. They train them
specially for their function in life. It’s quite fascinating.
Jackie: I thought he came in after the revolution.
Alan: Yes, he did but the revolution was failing. The “mountain” as they call it, the old masons, the older elders, they
formed a huge part of the government. They were always arguing with the younger ones and Napoleon stepped in and
took it over and he literally didn’t change just France. He changed every country that he went into.
Jackie: Well, he must have ticked them off because they vilified him.
Alan: They vilified him in one sense, but in another sense he did much more. He did what he was supposed to do. He
helped unify other countries into larger countries. That’s part of the ongoing war program is to – like the Soviet Union
did. They took all these small countries and incorporated them and then gave them exact same system of money,
education, bureaucracy and so on, until you couldn’t really tell them apart. Napoleon did help to unify a lot of the
countries, small, tiny countries into larger ones, and that lead up of course to the first world war, step-by-step, it’s all
going in the same direction. Now you have a United Europe, which was also Napoleon’s dream and it was also Winston
Churchill’s dream. That was part of it. Karl Marx talked about a United Europe, a Pacific Rim conglomerate and a
United Americas, and he wrote about that in the 1840’s and said they’d all be under a super world government. This is
nothing new. It’s all been put out there. It’s just isn’t taught much, if at all, in schools. However, the books are there in
the universities. It’s an ongoing process and the United States is simply finishing off the task, and as it finishes off the
task its standards of living must come down to meet those of the rest of the world which is being leveled.
Jackie: They’re leveling the playing ground, the playing field.
Alan: See, a country which cannot feed itself, number one, and the farming basically is going right out the window in
Canada and the States. It can’t feed itself. It has no industry to even rearm if they had to by themselves, is no longer a
nation really. In other words, they’re helpless, so they need the international system now.
Jackie: There was somebody evidentially on the Fox New Network and I don’t know who it was but I did get the email
and the interview and I skimmed it and this yo-yo said on Fox News that he’s expecting within 90 days something very
– another terrible attack on the U.S. I don’t know if it had something – by the way, there is an article and I checked it out
myself from the Navy Times. The title of the article was “Uncle Sam Wants You Even if You’re 42 Years Old” and that
was the article from the Navy Times. I went and got it and then there was I think New York Times article and said that
the Pentagon was calling for raising the age on recruiting to age 42.
Alan: They had a blurb on one of the newscasts that they’d actually taken in undertakers – recruited them, called them
into duty and I think they were close to the age of 60.
Jackie: Undertakers, that would be to take care of all the dead bodies?
Alan: Yes. The U.S. according to the BBC and CBC in Canada is having a tough enough job just policing Iraq and they
want to go into Iran, Syria and so on, so they must have trouble in all the other countries that are going to help them to
motivate them to help them. That’s why you’re having all this trouble in London and so on. If you were a true terrorist
you would sit back because Tony Blair and his cabinet were ready to get kicked out of parliament after all the inquiries
which were out in the open and about all the lies that he told to get the public to go along with the war. He was on his
way out and then the week following the bombing was scheduled to be mass demonstrations in the streets against the ID
card and why would the terrorists go and help Tony Blair? Because off go the bombs, he’s back up on the podium again
and “we’re here to protect you.” He’s in charge. He’s the man of the moment and out goes the ID. The public are getting
it.
Jackie: The real ID like we’ve got here?
Alan: It’s the same company that’s manufacturing it for the world and it’s an active chip inside it and you must carry it at
all times and it has your health on it and everything. Plus, it will be used they have said for your bank card as part of the
cashless society. That’s out in the open over there, so they’ll monitor everyone’s transactions. This is total observation.
Jackie: There’s a piece there titled “New Order of the Barbarians.” I’ve talked about it before. In fact, a long time ago I
read most of it to our listeners and this insider Dr. Richard Day – this was back in the early or mid-60’s speaking to a
group of pediatric physicians in Pittsburgh was telling how they were going to bring all of this about. It is absolutely
amazing. Dr. Lawrence Dunegan who I believe just recently passed away was a pediatrician, one of the attendees and
Dr. Day told them that several years ago he wouldn’t have been able to tell them what he was going to tell them that
night. But he said everything is in place and nothing can stop us now. We are going to go in to the 21st century with a
running start he said and this time we’re going to get it right and he goes into detail about what they’re going to do.
That’s what sparked this thought in my mind, Alan, about the cashless society and how they’ll do it and how close a
track they’ll be keeping and when you read this you will have no doubt that this was told by an insider. It wasn’t
somebody who made it up. He even talked about the people who believed that they could run and hide. Maybe go out
and live in the woods or something. He said we’ll burn the forests down and what the heck are they doing today, Alan?
Alan: I know. The Ministry of Natural Resources had a documentary on with the Forestry Commission and it’s so
interesting. I always laugh at the theories as they swap from a complete opposite theory and the opposite becomes the
new norm and now the guy who use to fight the fires – the new theory is that they should set the fires. Of course, British
Columbia had over 3,000 fires last year and a lot of people lost their homes in it and the ministry is now starting these
supposed control burns, which have the habit of getting out of control. That is the new norm now. I noticed that none of
the animal rights activists are even talking about this, which doesn’t surprise me, because think of all the animals that
are getting killed and roasted in these fires.
Jackie: And part of the insanity as I recall. This was quite a few years ago in California and some people were burning
brush around their homes to make a firewall and these people were fined because there was some kind of a mouse that
lived in that kind of brush. These people were actually fined for setting the fires that literally wound up protecting their
home from the forest fires; and yet, like you said, they’re burning all these forests down and many animals with it and
these animal-loving organizations aren’t saying a damn word.
Alan: They’re willing fools and it’s only their leaders who know the real agenda, but the willing fools are just another
class of sheep just like religious people. They do what their leaders tell them and that’s why they’re not protesting. Their
leaders, just like the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union was run by NGOs, primarily women, and I’ve got that first-hand
from a lot of people from the Soviet Union and they were all handpicked by the politburo all the leaders of these NGOs
and it’s exactly the same here. The Rockefeller Foundation I know for a fact because one woman works for them and her
job is to write checks to these NGOs. That’s all she does. Thousands of checks and the Rockefeller Foundation is
backing most of them and along with that comes the Rockefeller policy. If you accept the money, accept the policy.
Jackie: And the NGOs in one of the UN’s writing that I have, they’re talking about the UN becoming a true world
parliament and that the only thing that was missing was the voice of the people and then basically what it came down to
is that the NGOs are the voice of the people and to use an example of that the – oh, what the heck is it? The business.
Gee, everybody joins it.
Alan: Rotary club.
Jackie: No. When you own a business. Oh shoot. I went through this the other day talking about this with somebody
and the name escaped me. It’s local. Chambers of Commerce, Alan.It’s one of the oldest NGOs. It’s international and of
course then it’s national and then of course it’s state and then it’s local and I was a member of the Chamber of Commerce
for years when I owned my business, until I found out that they were promoting the NAFTA and I was beginning to
wake up and I got out of it. But when you think about the millions of people who were members of the Chamber of
Commerce and there’s the Chamber of Commerce at the international level speaking out for all of the UN programs.
They take this. That all of the millions of people that are members of the Chamber of Commerce, the chamber is
speaking for those people and that’s the parliament of the people are the NGOs.
We are out of our hour. Alan, thank you. You know what? I don’t know. Maybe you’ll come back tomorrow night. You
know what entered my mind as you were talking was the hermaphrodite when you mentioned women and we had a
conversation about that and I think it would be very interesting for our listeners and so maybe we could pick that up
tomorrow night.
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: Okay, thanks. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being here and God bless you and have a lovely evening,
folks. Have a nice day tomorrow. Alan, thank you. Good night.
(Transcribed by Linda)
July 26, 2005
Alan Watt on “Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Tuesday. It
is the 26th of July, in the year, 2005. I hope you had a nice day, folks. It was up in the high 90s here today, and I don’t
know, the humidity, it felt like about 140%, but we had a storm this evening, but it seems to have cooled off and that’s a
blessing. We talk about the weather a lot, don’t we? We just, well, it is the weather, whether we like it or not.
Basically, that’s what it is. Because it’s being controlled and modified, and they’re causing, the controllers are causing a
lot of problems for people, besides health problems, destroying the farms, and just probably having fun with their little
game. Anyway, Alan is back with us tonight. We were, just before we went off the air last night, he had mentioned
something that sparked a conversation that we had had. I thought it was very intriguing and I thought that you folks
would like to hear what, we’ve talked about this before somewhat, that the Plan, if you would, the Ultimate Plan,
according to what Alan says, is to actually recreate, literally recreate the physical human body, and simply have unisex,
a unisex individual, a hermaphrodite. I guess that’s, I don’t know if you would call it unisex or what. Alan, what would
you call it?
Alan Watt: It’s the end product of supposedly the next Great Leap Forward, which is to create two in one.
Jackie: Yeah, would you call that unisex?
Alan: In a sense, in a sense it will be a true bisexual, you know.
Jackie: A true one because it will have both female and male organs. We talked about that. Well, when we were talking
the other night and you got talking about this, what they’re already capable of doing, can we kind of repeat that
conversation?
Alan: It’s the oddest thing, when you go back into ancient history, and Plato for instance talked about, now these are
allegories for something to come rather than something that was. So he refers to the deity or the creator or the god that
they secretly worshiped, the aristocracy of Greece and he refers to it as being both male and female, male in the front,
and female behind. And it’s almost a joking way of putting it across that rather than walk, the thing actually sort of rolls
or handstands and that’s how it moves, and the way that he continued this conversation was to say that eventually the
deity separated the male from the female, but not all of them he said were male and female. He said, sometimes it was a
male in front and a male behind.
Jackie: What does that mean, a male in front and a female behind?
Alan: Well, that’s what he was saying, was that they weren’t all male and females. Some of them were male both ways.
And he was using this allegory for the fact that so many Greek aristocracy, well, most of them actually were
homosexual, and he said they were looking for their soul mates. And so he used a story to validate their lifestyle you
might say. So, he said, that’s why the aristocracy was actually involved in pedophilia really. Because they were
searching out their soul mates. And of course, the nobility, including Plato himself.
Jackie: And the soul mate would be male? Yes?
Alan: That’s what he was getting at. And the Greek nobility shared an awful lot in common with the Egyptian nobility
in that they all believed in reincarnation, but they also believed that the spirit or the soul, the soul itself. There’s a big,
big difference between the soul and spirit according to Plato. But the soul itself was not gender neutral. It actually was
male or female. So they believed they came back each time as males, you see. And because the other parts that would
split off from them, eons before that, was what they were searching for, and supposedly that gave them the right to have
sexual, well, interaction with young boys. The odd thing again, when you jump from that even to the writings in the
Talmud and in Jewish folklore which comes from much, much older cultures, they also believe the same thing, that the
deity was both male and female, therefore he made Adam in the same image, the perfect likeness, the perfect sameness,
meaning that Adam was initially both male and female, and that the real fall came when the female was separated out of
Adam.
Jackie: Well, it says in there, male and female created he them. And I’ve always wondered, you know, what that
particularly meant. Created he them. Male and female.
Alan: And of course, it’s in translation you start to see the differences. In the actual Greek, the word that’s used for this
perfect sameness is imago or image. And that actually comes from the term which you use to describe the shell of an
insect. When you open the shell of an insect, the cocoon, you have the perfect image inside that cocoon of the creature
that lived inside of it. And so, in other words, the initial Adam was the perfect sameness as the deity, meaning that he
also had the same powers and everything. And then the female was separated eventually from him, and that’s when he
lost his power. However, in all Masonry, and pre-Judaic, pre-Hebrew, this was already accepted in the Egyptian culture
and in the Greek, ancient Greek culture, was that when Eve was separated, or the female was separated, the male
retained the spirit, and the female simply retained the right to reproduce her own kind on the earth. And that’s still true
of higher Masonry today. That’s why Albert Pike, and Mackay and others all said that the female can only reflect like
the moon, she can only reflect her husband’s glory, who is the sun. He has spirit. That’s what it means.
Jackie: That sounds like a friend of mine, during the time we were campaigning for Bo Gritz. He was one of those
hellfire and brimstone guys, and he loved Paul and the Old Testament, and he called himself a Christian. And he was a
divorcee, and he said to me one day, it was a shame that, no, no, that was about me, it was a shame that so many good
people are going to go to hell. But he was talking about his wife and daughter, he said, God is no longer in that home.
And when I asked him what he meant, he said the male is the Godhead, and when I left that home, God left. And let me
tell you, what’s really pathetic about it, he said it not as if he really believed that, that he would be in pain for his wife
and daughter, but he said it in a real, holier than thou and superior attitude, like he thought it was cool.
Alan: Well this is an ancient belief. As I say, Masonry today has simply adopted a much older religion or mystery
religion that flows through all the ancient cultures and the aristocracies, right, as I say, back to Egypt and even back to
Sumer. So, this is an ancient, ancient belief, hidden belief in the secret societies, which still is ongoing today, that that’s
the big secret, that Eve basically has no spirit. She is mother, which is matter. I mean, even the language supports this
belief system, so she can only reproduce matter, whereas the male is the initiator of life, the female then takes over and
reproduces. But her world is the world of matter. That’s what they believe, mother/matter, you know, so that’s why
again women in the Eastern Star are fooling themselves and all the other, many, many branches of female side degrees,
that were put in there simply to get the females on board as they say. Pike and Mackay and others all state that. Plus
the Quatuor Coronati Lodge in England, which is the main historical lodge of research for Masonry, they all say the
same thing, that these are simply show degrees, and don’t contain the secrets. Getting back to the hermaphrodite, it’s so
odd that all priesthoods down through the ages have taken the same route of primarily recruiting males.
Jackie: The what males?
Alan: They’ve taken to recruiting mainly males to be priests. It wasn’t until the Protestant so-called Revolution, which
wasn’t their revolution at all, it was already planned by the same side. There’s only one side in everything. And that’s
when they started bringing the families you might say, the male and the female into the church. But even so, it’s still
retained by the male, all the authority within the church. Or at least it used to be, you know. In the Catholic Church it
still holds to that effect, and of course, in most other cultures, such as the Muslim and so on, it’s still, the reins of power
are still in the muftis, the priests.
Jackie: Yeah. You know what I heard, that is probably so, when God created man, she was only kidding.
Alan: Well, sometimes I wonder, because it certainly seems to be a joke, you know.
Jackie: Yeah, it’s a joke.
Alan: No, this is an ancient goal, was to reach perfection as they say.
Jackie: Well, these are weirdos, Alan. I mean, we’re talking about some real weirdos here, let’s face it.
Alan: Yet they’re weirdos with the power and the system based on money.
Jackie: To bring their dream about. Yeah, well what I’m saying though is that, just because it’s such an ancient held
belief, I’m not saying that it isn’t a possibility that in “the beginning” when they were first genetically engineering the
human body, maybe there were hermaphrodites, but where this thing about the soul comes in, I mean, that’s just idiocy.
We’re dealing here with some real idiots. And I don’t mean idiots in the manner of not being educated, or being stupid.
I mean, they’re idiots. They’re out of this world, Alan.
Alan: Well, you can certainly have idiots, but the problem is that they’re idiots with power and that’s scary.
Jackie: They are. You bet it is. Idiots with power.
Alan: And when you go, again, going back to the ancient mystery religions, like the Roman equestrian order, that was
the high nobility order, they had so much in common with what we think of as the Old Testament, which is just a
conglomeration of the Mystery Religion, as it already existed in all different peoples. The equestrian order used to pitch
a roofless tent in a field, and the novices would come in there for their initiation, and they did, definitely, have sexual,
anal intercourse with what was then the Grand Master. And then, when you jump forward to the Knights Templars you
find the same thing was charged against them. They were indulging in sexual intercourse with each other, and that is
validated by a lot of different sources, including John Dee, who did his best to cover up for them. But he did say that
was one of the main charges which could not be denied, and we must remember, they were also a priesthood. They
were a priesthood, and that was quite common amongst priesthoods, you know. So, what you find is, here’s an
interesting statement the Dalai Lama made, when he was asked, not too long after he’d moved out of Tibet in the ’50s,
and went to Europe, he was asked what he thought of homosexuality. And he started to answer in the traditional
Tibetan cultural stance, and then he checked himself, to realize that he was now in a new country with different views.
And he said, well, if it doesn’t break the vows of chastity, then it isn’t sexual intercourse at all. In other words, to
everybody’s way of thinking, sexual intercourse is traditionally between male and female, therefore it doesn’t exist,
whatever men do amongst men is a different thing altogether. And that was the traditional excuse down through the
ages amongst all male priesthoods. So, in other words, it’s the old story of changing perspective by the use of different
words. And that’s very, very common. But the Knights Templars in their different statements, in different countries,
did say the same thing, that they were sworn as brothers to alleviate each other’s sexual needs. So all this hoopla about
the wonderful Knights Templars and the Red Cross on their chest and they were heroes, we have to really look at it as it
was. It was vastly different from the way it’s portrayed in Hollywood. It was a priesthood first, and they were warriors,
second. It was a priesthood.
Jackie: Don’t they mention, don’t they mention in the Old Testament the dog priests?
Alan: That’s right. But all of the cultures, that’s what you’ll find in all the histories of all the peoples, the same
organization existed everywhere. And they traditionally in all temples, and Israel was no exception. At least the Israel
that we know of did exist for about 500 to 400BC, it was no exception, and the archaeologists have proved it. When
you went to the temple, affixed to the temple at the front door, there was always the hall of prostitutes, where you would
go in and have ritual intercourse, generally with a prostitute. That was the generative power. That was part of the
process.
Jackie: A female, you mean?
Alan: A female. But they also saw one on the other side of the main entrance, and that has a male standing there. So it
led off there for the males, if you wanted a male instead. And that was the same in all, in Egypt, in Greece, all over.
Jackie: Well, let’s bring this back to today if we could, because you were telling me that they have already announced it,
in scientific journals, etc, that they’re able to create hermaphrodites today.
Alan: Yes. In fact, NASA did a two-hour documentary special, and it was narrated by David Suzuki, who does the
wildlife programs generally, and he’s a geneticist actually. They talked about going off to mine the planets. So you can
imagine the cost of tin eventually, if they’re going off the mine the planets. They said it might take many years to get to
a planet. And the first thing they’d have to do, just like the old, old Star Trek series, they’d have to build underground
quarters for living accommodations. They said the trip would take so long that they’d have to alter the human body,
perhaps into the hermaphroditic type, which is self-reproducing, and can also be put into a state of hibernation, and of
course, what they were getting at as well, was that there would be less tension, by having the same species, just one
type, no male and female in conflict or competition with each other, or competition with other males.
Jackie: And they could reproduce themselves.
Alan: Yes. That’s the whole idea. And they said that they could actually do that and, in fact, they said they could make
a human to be, alter a human to live in any type of terrain, or climate, and they could actually make you like Cousin It, if
you imagine. Cousin It was in, what do you call that program that used to be on, the Addams Family. It was covered in
hair.
Jackie: I don’t know. I didn’t watch the Addams Family.
Alan: So if they went into an arctic type region, they could create a type of humanoid, and they can do it. They said
that, that would be covered with its own fur. They could. They can do that.
Jackie: This was a NASA presentation.
Alan: Yes and it was big, they spared no expense, naturally, because this is all to get the public to accept the vast
expenditures into space research. And of course, Joe Average has been geared up and brainwashed into supporting it
and thinking it’s exciting, when in reality, it has nothing to do with Joe Average. It’s only the plan of a small elite for the
benefit of a small elite, and for the furtherance of their plan, which is to basically do on other planets what they’ve done
here on earth. Suck the life out of it, basically. They said that the hermaphrodite can be made. So, they obviously have
plans to do it, since they admit they can do it. I have no doubt they’ve been testing. We know for instance that long
before the double helix and the genes and so on were actually physically seen, they knew they were there. And if you
read Rutherford, who was the great mathematician, who did the dimensions of the Great Pyramid, Rutherford in his own
memoirs said that he was employed by the World Medical Association. This is the beginning of the 1900s. He’s talking
about a World Medical Association. And he said, to study human genes. Now, why would you need a mathematician
to study human genes around 1910, when supposedly they couldn’t even see the genes by then? He’s giving it away that
they could. They were way, way ahead of what we’re told. And I’m sure the experimentation has been going on for an
awful long time, and that’s why they’re so confident they can create anything that they want.
Jackie: I had a question that you explained. We were talking about the chromosomes, the X and the Y chromosomes.
And I had to be refreshed on that. The woman carries the X, the male carries the Y. And then a male/female mating, if
it’s an X Chromosome that mixes with hers it’s going to be a girl, but otherwise if it’s a Y and an X, it’s going to be a
male. Is that correct?
Alan: Yes. That’s right, and of course that’s part of the mystery too, that they’ve always known, that the male produces
in his sperm both X and Y.
Jackie: Oh, and the female only produces the X.
Alan: That’s right. So, when the male Y, and of course the letter Y in Freemasonry means two in one, two into one.
That’s why they have such a big to-do about the letter Y. Every letter in the alphabet means something in Masonry.
Jackie: Yes, and the X, really, literally could mean exed out.
Alan: The X is also something that you write off or discard.
Jackie: Yeah, like the X Generation.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Or like, you said, Ex, the former. So, my question was, in my mind, that I asked you, how in the world does it
reproduce. This creature would have to have, of course, the male testes. It would have to have a female uterus, and that
was where I was feeling confused. But you explained, maybe what you knew, or at least you figured could happen.
Alan: We are in a scientific age, where they can literally extract anything from any body.
Jackie: I know, but in a natural way, how would they reproduce?
Alan: Well that would be a new natural way, you see. That would be the new natural. And of course, they don’t even
have to have the male external organ to do it. They can simply extract it and again, replant it you might say in another
area.
Jackie: Or right up there.
Alan: It won’t be that difficult. And since they say that they can do it, it means they’ve already done it.
Jackie: Exactly. And it’s actually, it could say exactly where it is, when you think about it. Just retract, you know, the
outward appendages, but, okay, my question was, would they have to have sexual intercourse, in order to do it. And
you said, that probably not.
Alan: I don’t think they’d actually want that. I think they’d rather eliminate the sexual desire altogether.
Jackie: So they would create this creature to where it would somehow get a sperm connected up with an egg. I mean,
the body would have to be built somehow, where it could be released, or something. Yes, Alan?
Alan: Yeah, it could be. Or again, once again, it could be extracted, even.
Jackie: You mean by outer means, by somebody else doing it. I have a feeling….
Alan: Or even a machine, really.
Jackie: A machine, okay, whatever. But I have a feeling, I don’t know why, but if they’re going to do this, they’re going
to try to make it so it will all happen without having, you know, to plug in or whatever. That there will be, maybe they
wouldn’t like that though. They would lose some control, wouldn’t they, Alan?
Alan: Yes. And I can see the day coming, and they’ve written about this too. There’s a book called, Future Man, and
I’ve got the ISBN and the author and so on in the Second Book that I put out. That’s an official scientific book, by
various genetic research organizations, and it goes through a lot of this information, and they do, they’ve had huge
meetings, international meetings about creating new types of humans to meet the scientific requirements of a scientific
age.
Jackie: I can’t imagine. We have to, wait. Hold your thought. Because we’re about to take a break and I’m just going to
repeat what I said the other night. I can’t imagine this world without women. We’ll be back, folks, right after this, with
Alan Watt, in this intriguing conversation.
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Jackie: And we’re back with Alan Watt, and we’re talking about, folks, if this sounds, really way out there to you, it’s
only because it is. And yet, Alan, in the books that he has done provides as he was saying before the broadcast, the
actual pages from these books, where they’re talking about it. And the clues are there. And it’s interesting Alan, not too
long after we talked about this, the first time on the air. Now, I think it was probably a few years ago, there was a big,
what do you call, documentary on one of the channels. I have C-band satellite, so I don’t get all the mainstream, but
HBO or one of those. And it was on hermaphrodites. And it was about people who were born, and yet, in this
documentary, for the most part, the parents either had them turned in from one, either to one or the other sex. But
basically, there’s an organization of hermaphrodites, and what they were saying, these are people who didn’t have the
change, that who they are and what they are is just fine. And boy, if that isn’t getting people ready to accept this, I don’t
know what is.
Alan: Well, we’re in tremendous flux right now. Everything that was natural, or seemed natural, is in flux now. It’s
deliberately made so. And of course, this has been written about by various organizations, including the Communists,
of course. They said a time would come where the Western Civilizations would almost crumble, and be ready to be
born anew into another direction, and that’s what’s happening. Everything that used to be valued as normal has been
totally broken down. And the Masons have terms for it where they build. In the Middle Ages they built huge cathedrals,
and as they were building a new one, they were dismantling the old at the same time. That’s why they call themselves
Masons. It’s society they build, and that has been under attack for a long time, especially since World War II. That was
the first change, when they put the women into the workforce, as an excuse that the men were off to war. And then of
course it was followed by massive campaigns to get women into the workforce continuously, and in Europe, they played
it out there that they had to get it for extras, to supplement her husband’s pay, and then it became of course standard.
And now as you know it’s the norm. So women have been encouraged to give up that one outstanding and unique
feature that they have, which is to have children. And they give it up at the expense of their own psychological health
and the detriment of the people, of course, in order to get a career.
Jackie: Because they think they have to.
Alan: This is all encouraged, deliberately so. We had the sexual revolution, we must remember, the term was
revolution. We had the pop revolution, and then the rock revolution. So all of this came at the same time. And the drug
revolution. To destroy that which was, in order to prepare the way for that which is to come, which is the new society,
which is already planned by people you’ll never see.
Jackie: Yes. And you know, a thought that occurred to me, which is a little frightening, because, okay, I guess what I’m
doing is stepping into their shoes. The people, the children who are brought up into this “new society”, everything is so
normal to them, what we call normal and what is normal in our mind, may have been given to us as normal.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Okay, do you see what I’m saying, Alan? And yet, everything that isn’t, what seems normal, natural. I would
have to say natural. But then again, we don’t know how much genetic tinkering, even with our food and the flowers,
and all the plants, everything.
Alan: The inoculations even.
Jackie: Well, yes. But genetic tinkering, I’m talking with everything that to us is natural today.
Alan: Of course.
Jackie: And so, if that is a possibility, I guess what I’m saying is, stepping into their shoes, anything else other than as it
is would seem abnormal.
Alan: Sure and especially with the massive indoctrination that they get at school, which actually begins at kindergarten,
the whole sociological program towards what they will eventually experience in their lifetime, and the changes which
will come when they hit thirty or forty, and how they will react to it. That’s programmed into them as soon as they’re
two years old at kindergarten, in Europe.
Jackie: What was the movie, not Nineteen Eighty-Four, but, you know, where they have the incubator babies and things
like that?
Alan: That’s Aldous Huxley’s book, Brave New World.
Jackie: Thank you, Brave New World. Shoot, there was something that I wanted to say about that, and I’ve forgotten
what it was, trying to remember what the heck the name of the book was. Just go ahead and continue, Alan.
Alan: Well again that’s a good example.
Jackie: Oh, I remember. I remember, remember the people who didn’t succumb to the system, who were living far
away, that was in Brave New World, wasn’t it. They called them the Savages. And I remember these women sitting
around saying, oh my God, you’re saying that they actually give birth to a baby from their body, because in that time, it
was all the, what do you call them, from the bottles. And that’s exactly what could happen today, it truly is.
Alan: Well, there’s been a lot of movies like that. Sylvester Stallone did one movie where he’s a cop who goes into the
future through cryogenics. He’s frozen, and wakes up in the future, and he finds out they don’t have sexual intercourse
and exchange bodily fluids. They use that term, you know, and the actress that played his opposite there looked
disgusted that they actually used to literally mingle their bodies and their bodily fluids together. So, this has been,
they’ve got this across, in so many different ways, because all fiction is simply predictive programming, as Tavistock
calls it. It prepares our mind to accept something which we will experience in our lifetime. And because we saw it
though fiction, it seems familiar and the idea isn’t so horrible. That’s why it’s portrayed this way.
Jackie: And as you were saying Alan, when we were having this conversation previously, and I always wish when we
have those kinds of conversations we’re actually doing it on the air, but what you were saying, you see, because in my
mind, it was difficult to imagine how a man would want to not be with a woman, or that a woman would accept, you
know, that type of a thing. And it’s as you said. The women are already giving up the femininity of what a woman is.
Alan: Absolutely.
Jackie: They’re giving it up.
Alan: Carl Jung wrote a book called Memories, Dreams and Reflections, and a few other books. He was the psychiatrist
that really was a true psychiatrist, as opposed to Freud, who was a fraud. And Carl Jung did a visit to the States, in
about 1953, and he was astounded, he said, when women lose their eros, their femininity and begin to emulate the
males, then he said, that culture is on the decline to things unknown. And he said he saw that for the first time in
America, back in the ’50s, where women literally tried to match the men in their strides, in the way that they walked,
their gestures, and also, even emulating the kind of speech that men generally use. So he saw it being portrayed right in
front of his eyes in the United States. So that’s true. When a culture loses its eros it’s ready for anything that their
masters plan for it. Because there’s nothing to hold on to. You only fight for that which is. When it’s already in flux,
and it is not what it was, then there’s nothing to fight for, you see. And that’s the trick of this whole system. It’s so slick,
so clever, that as we watch things changing, we are automatically adapting to them. We’re being downloaded with
propaganda on a daily basis, from so many sources, that by the time we realize what’s happening it’s already too late.
And it’s almost overwhelming. We also have to realize that the men have their sperm counts taken every year by the
UN, they do surveys. Now, the UN has never declared why they’re doing these surveys on the Western countries since
the 1950s. And last year, the sperm count in the average Western male, including America, actually in Britain, it was
down 85% of what it was in 1950.
Jackie: In Britain or America?
Alan: In Britain. America was 75% down. So, in other words, the men are only 25% fertile as they were, as opposed to
1950. And the UN gives these statements every year. They never qualify it with a comment as to why they’re doing this
study. You would think for instance, they would say, this is a crisis situation, but they don’t, and that’s the tell-tale that
this is an agenda. That it’s being caused by probably the inoculations I think, primarily, and since the polio vaccines
began in the ’50s, by Doctor Salk. Now Dr. Salk is known for the polio vaccine, he’s lauded as a hero, and yet, when
you go into the history books, about this man, he belonged to the World Eugenics Society. He believed in survival of
the fittest. And he was all for eradicating the common person, because he said, in the future to come we won’t need all
these laborer workers.
Jackie: And that is the truth.
Alan: And he said there’s too many of them, and they’ll have to be eliminated. And this is the guy that comes forth with
a vaccine to save us?
Jackie: Yes. And tell our listeners what you heard him say on the television at a Round Table.
Alan: This is a CBC documentary, in fact, on him. And they showed you old 8mm clips where he’s talking, he’s
standing in his white coat with a couple of his partners, and he said, oh, yes, he says, we did know that there were over a
hundred simian or monkey viruses in each polio shot, he said, but we thought it outweighed the risks, you know, the
benefits would outweigh the risks. And he said, we did know that the Simian 40 Virus, that’s just a numbering system
to identify the particular one, and this is the fortieth virus they identified that everybody got, had one function, and that
was to cause cancerous tumors. So they knew all of this.
Jackie: I thought you said brain tumors.
Alan: No, it’s all cancers.
Jackie: Oh, just cancerous tumors, period.
Alan: And so they knew this. This comes from a man who in his own circle was better known for his speeches on
eugenics and population control. And yet, they conned the whole Western World into taking this shot, and now we find
that most men are almost sterile.
Jackie: Well, I’ll tell you what a lot of that probably has to do with too, is the estrogen dominance.
Alan: That’s a plus factor.
Jackie: Well, yes. Because according to Kurt Nubian, his information comes basically from Dr. John Lee. There are
60,000 sources today of xenoestrogen, and xenoestrogen, folks, is an artificial estrogen, but the estrogen dominance
causes femininity in men. It causes infertility. It causes women to have endometriosis. In fact, one of the reports that I
found on this, Alan, came from a Canadian doctor. And what was amazing to me, is that he said, for the past fifty years,
and you remember, what’s his name, Charles Galton Darwin’s book, in the Next Million Years, that was done in the
fifties, and he was talking about the use of the hormones, and how they would change the people.
Alan: If you want to pacify aggressive males who might just upset the apple cart during massive changes, you stop them
from being aggressive males, and you make them effeminate. And that’s been done. It makes perfect sense.
Jackie: Yeah, but it’s also causing. Okay, look at what else it’s causing, besides sterility in the male, the low sperm
count, they said that the incidence of hysterectomies, total hysterectomies, in Britain is high, only just behind the U.S.,
and they said something like 40-some percent of women will wind up getting total hysterectomies, and not even having
to if they had their hormones balanced. So, you’ve got the men losing their sperm count, and you’ve got the women
having their reproductive organs taken out, Alan.
Alan: Yeah. And you’ve got population control.
Jackie: No lie. Population control, big time.
Alan: And of course, what they didn’t, and they never do, promote through any of the Hollywood movies or the sexual
educational programs, is the fact that most women are becoming infertile through their fallopian tubes being infected
with chlamydia, which is a long, long acting infection.
Jackie: And it’s sexually transmitted.
Alan: Sexually transmitted. And so many men have it and don’t know they’ve got it, because in the man, he has a mild,
very mild warming, not a burning on urination, and he’ll think nothing of it. And so many, in fact, they did a survey in
Toronto, as being an average Western city, they did a survey about a year ago, and they found that about 60% of
women, 25 and under, were carrying one or more sexually transmitted diseases.
Jackie: Oh my god.
Alan: Because they’re so promiscuous. That’s the new norm, you see. That is the new norm.
Jackie: Well, they’ve covered their bases. I mean, they just don’t miss a lick, Alan.
Alan: No, they don’t. It’s total warfare on the public, and it always has been. Only now, over the last century, they
stepped up the scientific techniques to accomplish it. I mean, Proctor and Gamble admitted, there’s another thing, they
promoted, don’t breastfeed your children. And they came out with the ostermilk they called it, over in Europe. And of
course, the big pull again was to women’s vanity. Your breasts won’t sag so much if you don’t breastfeed your children.
And so many children lost out on the kicking off, the starting off, of their immune system, which they got from their
mother’s milk. And then Proctor and Gamble promoted the other big thing. Well, babies need special food now, you
see. I don’t know how we managed for thousands of years without Proctor and Gamble. And they were using a
sterilization agent, a fluid, to wash out the jars before they put the baby food in it. And it just turns out that years later
they find out that it’s also an artificial form of estrogen, a synthetic estrogen, and they didn’t know that at the time. And
sure you have all these effeminate males now. So, this is a plan.
Jackie: And I wanted to say this too, for our listeners, folks, plastics, I added this information, and Darren has already
put it in, about what Alan and I are talking about, and to give you just a little list there of sources of the xenoestrogens,
and basically, we spray it in our rooms, we spray it in the air, we brush with it, we smell it, we sleep with it, we live with
it, we slather it on our bodies. It’s just about in everything. This information is there. And we also, Alan, I wanted to
say this, I thought about it while you were talking. We talked about this a long time ago, and I read to our listeners a
report titled, The Deneuralization of America, or the Population, and this was extremely researched. I went into
probably two thirds of the sources that this article gave, and they were there, you know, the source scientific journals,
etc. So, be sure to check that out. Alan, go ahead, I’m sorry.
Alan: I should mention the fact that I’ve got these three books to sell, you know. They’re called Cutting Through, and
there’s 1, 2, and 3. The three of them. And if you want one or all of them [ see www..com ] and I’ll send them out to
you when you order them.
Jackie: There you go. And be sure that you put your full name and address and return address on it, or they won’t
deliver your mail. And the books are certainly, definitely, worth having. Basically, what it does, well, it’s based on
information that Alan shared with us over a couple or three years. And confirmation of the information that he has
given us, and I say that he brought us out of the Dark Ages. He brought us out of the forest, so we could see the trees,
and it’s not been a happy or easy ride folks. I will admit that. And I think about you. I mean, Alan, I just finished those
three chapters of the book, and I was in a funk that was not good, and I realized that I literally was just emotionally
exhausted. And it was discovering the details of the things that you had already told us, but it was in more of a general
way. And to be able to look, behind the scenes, and see all of the players, it was almost overwhelming to me. So, I
think about our listeners. I think about them and how they feel. And folks, just know that, I don’t know, rather than
bemoaning all of what we’re learning, maybe give thanks that we are coming closer to the truth than we’ve ever been in
this lifetime. We’ll be back with you tomorrow night. Thank you for being here, Alan Watt. Thank you, so much.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: As always, thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, Good Night and God Bless You.
July 27, 2005
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
Jackie Patru: Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen. Thank you very much for joining us tonight on Sweet
Liberty. This is the 26th? Yes, Alan?
Alan Watt: 27th, I think.
Jackie: Oh, 27th? I just lost another day. It’s Wednesday the 27th of July. You were right, Alan. I had to
check my calendar. It’s the 27th of July, in the year 2005, folks and as you obviously are aware, Alan Watt
is with us again tonight. Let me first begin here with our spiritual message. And we’ll bring Alan up. This is
from Ephesians 6, beginning with verse 12. Well, we’ll start with verse 10 here. “Finally my brethren be
strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to
stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places,
wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and
having done all to stand.” Every time I read that, I think about that wrestling, Alan. I mean we wrestle not
against flesh and blood. It is without. It is also within. The wrestling goes on within us. I know that. I
know that. First of all, I want to say hello to our very good friend, John, and his friend, Bill, and their family
who are camping in Allegheny State Park, here in Pennsylvania. John is from New York. And he was
Chuck’s boss, but Chuck’s very, very good friend. I was thinking about this tonight. I got a call from John,
Alan. And they’re out camping, and they have their shortwave, and he called to get the coordinates. I hope
they can bring it in. It occurred to me they’re out there in the woods, but when Chuck passed over, besides
for myself and my family, my children and grandchildren who absolutely adored Chuck, I believe probably,
and his family, of course, but John his friend probably was impacted the most of anybody that I know. They
were very close. And so, I want to say hello. And I hope you guys are listening, John and Bill at least. And
Alan, thank you for being with us tonight.
Alan: Yeah, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: I wanted to share something with you, with our listeners. I pulled up some email, Alan, in fact when
you called. That’s what I was doing. There has been a bill that was passed that was yesterday, on the 26th.
I guess it just came to light today. This came right from the government website, Thomas, where the bills
and the status, etc. Folks this is Senate bill 442. Listen to this, Alan. It’s a bill to provide for the Secretary
of Homeland Security to be included in the line of Presidential succession. Isn’t that amazing?
Alan: It makes sense though.
Jackie: Well this was sponsored for our listeners in Ohio, Senator Mike Dewine of Ohio. And Alan, it passed
the Senate without amendment and with unanimous consent.
Alan: Well, they all get their marching orders before they even see it.
Jackie: Yeah. Michael Chertoff, you know I have made the statement, because I had read it, that he had
been the former head of the KGB, and I think that it was not Michael Chertoff. I think it was somebody else,
an appointee of Bush’s, but what I did is I got some information on Chertoff, just to clean this up with our
listeners, because folks, I’m not confident that he was, as I have said, the former head of the KGB in Russia,
but he is a dual Israeli/American citizen, US citizen, he’s a son of a rabbi, he’s a former assistant attorney
general for the criminal division of the justice department. I had never heard of him before, Alan. And listen
to this, Michael Chertoff, dual Israeli/US citizen, oversees the US bureau of citizenship and immigration. My,
my. So, we can, I guess, he’s the one that gives the rules for how many of these illegals get to come across
the border and etc.
Alan: That’s the whole agenda. Everything is international already; it’s just that the public don’t know it.
Jackie: Yeah, well, you know, this, it makes you wonder what might be up. I mean, what do they know or
whatever is in the plan, why they’re. Wouldn’t that be frightening?
Alan: Well, as I say, it’s an old, old plan. Albert Pike talked about it extensively, and said that Freemasonry
would be used to push it worldwide through revolutionary movements, and it has done so.
Jackie: Through the revolutionary, yes.
Alan: And of course, if you remember, it was Dodd that did the inquiry into the merging of the Soviet system
with the American system.
Jackie: Oh, you’re talking about the educational system?
Alan: The whole system altogether, when he did the inquiry.
Jackie: Norman Dodd.
Alan: That’s right. And of course, that’s what the Ford Foundation told him, that was their job, to change
the culture in such a way that it would blend smoothly with the Soviet system.
Jackie: As a matter of fact that was during the time that Congressman B. Carroll Reece was holding the
hearings, congressional hearings. I think that was in the 50s, wasn’t it, Alan?
Alan: It had to be.
Jackie: Yeah, the congressional hearings on the foundations, tax-exempt foundations, and for just further for
our listeners, folks, Norman Dodd was one, he had some type of position on that committee; but it was the
Ford Foundation he went to, Alan?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And when he asked to see their meetings of their minutes folks, and the man told him simply, and
this was according to Norman Dodd, the man said, well, I would like to be able to you know, help you here,
but he said that all of our meetings, our minutes are archived away, because he said after our work was
done, after was it, was it, Alan, was it after the UN, after the US joined the UN. But he said that their
function had been, and they felt that they had completed it, to see that the US could be comfortably merged
with the Soviet Union.
Alan: And you must realize what a gigantic enterprise that was. It meant that the educational system had
already been taken over and was working towards that, because most of it is through indoctrination, and of
course, the bureaucracies, people don’t realize that bureaucracies, federal bureaucracies deal directly with
their counterparts at the UN. There’s a similar bureaucracy for every level that your federal government has
set up within the UN. So they don’t have to go and see representatives, they go straight to the UN and
that’s been going on since the League of Nations. H.G. Wells talked about it in 1919. He said that that
means the bureaucracies and the heads of bureaucracies can deal directly with the League of Nations and
bypass all representatives that are elected. So this has been going on for an awful long time.
Jackie: Who was it that you quoted, the Freemason?
Alan: Albert Pike.
Jackie: Pike, right, Albert Pike. The connections of Freemasonry with revolutions, with the American
Revolution, and…
Alan: And the English one before that.
Jackie: Well, with all revolutions, Alan. But that’s what got me looking into it, because of all the reading that
I’ve done, and there, from their own words, they keep claiming that, you know, their hand is behind every
revolution. And for some reason, I guess because we’re so brainwashed, you know, the American
Revolution, the War for Independence, that was exempt in my mind. That didn’t count because that was
different. And realized how their influence in the early colonies and in the Constitutional Convention, and
etc, that was when the question entered my mind, Alan, well, what would make us think if they were behind
every revolution, that the American Revolution was spontaneous? And it was a real downer for me. But,
you know, it’s like that quote, at least attributed to Patrick Henry, for me, I would know the truth, the painful
truth. I would rather know the truth than to continue to live in the lies that we were born into.
Alan: Yeah. I mean, they’d had international meetings before the Revolution in America, the leaders of
Britain and France and other countries that were empire builders, and of course they could only go so far
with their own populations who knew darn well that there was a small clique in every capital city running the
whole show and benefiting from the wars. And they’d gone as far as they could go, so they had to get a
new knight in shining armor to pretend that they were going to lead the world to freedom. And so they
created the United States.
Jackie: The land of the free and the home of the brave.
Alan: That’s what it was for. And of course, that’s why they said Novus Ordo Seclorum. It’s a new earthly or
secular order. And that’s bringing in the New World Order, and that’s what it was designed to do and all of
its symbols are out in the open.
Jackie: And they referred to America as the New World. The New World Order. One of the things that I also
delved into, and convinced myself and I hope the readers, that it isn’t funny, I don’t know why I laugh at
some of this sick stuff sometimes, Alan. We did not, the Americans did not win that war against Great
Britain. And when you look at the treaties in the first place, that first battle, or the last battle of Yorktown I
believe it was, Cornwallis ceded the battle but not the war. And it was quite a while after that before a
treaty was actually signed. And you see when you read that treaty that it was the king that was laying down
all the parameters. Even to where the colonists could fish, where they could dry their fish, and etc. And
then nine years later there was another treaty, it’s called Jay’s Treaty, and Jay, by the way, after he got back
from England, from agreeing to this thing, was burned in effigy all over the country. And Alexander
Hamilton, the king’s man, was behind this treaty, but basically the people even knew when word got out,
what he had done, knew that he had sold America out. But nine years later, they were still, Britain, England,
still had military bases or forts out West, and they were still doing their trapping all over, you know, just as
though it was still their country, and that was nine years after the so-called War of Independence was won
by Americans. It’s really sick, Alan.
Alan: Well, when you’ve got to deceive the people, it has to be real. So you create real wars, but only those
at the bottom think it’s for the reasons that they’re fighting. The guys at the top are well aware that, as
Carroll Quigley said, wars are fought to change society. It brings about social changes. And sure enough,
people swallowed it. They thought they’d won. They worked really hard thinking they were working for
themselves. They built up massive farms everywhere. And of course, it never dawned on them that this
hidden priesthood, let’s call them, work in centuries, and they knew they could take it all back from them a
hundred or two hundred or three hundred years down the road. That’s how they plan things. And of
course, America was the great hope for all the people who were getting thrown out of countries like Scotland
and Ireland on mass, at the point of bayonets. And these are the people who came across and started to
clear the land and make something that was just wild forest before, and swamps.
Jackie: Yeah, but they still had the land barons. When you read Charles Beard’s book, An Economic
Interpretation of the Constitution, what you realize is that the people who came over here and did all the
labor, and did the settling, the land that was available to them was not the cream of the crop, because the
land barons had already scooped up thousands and thousands of acres of the best land.
Alan: Washington was one of them.
Jackie: Of course, yes he was. And people came over here and either had to take just, you know, the
crumbs so to speak, or pay high dollar to get a decent. And when the movement in America began heading
westward, the speculators just went out west and bought up land there. And so by the time the people got
there, once again, these elite had all of the cream of the crop of the land out west. It’s really a comedown,
you know. You live in this dream, Alan. You know, the dream, the American Dream.
Alan: Well, that’s what a dream is. It’s not real.
Jackie: Of course, although what I realized is this baby is a nightmare.
Alan: Yeah, you wake up from the dream into the nightmare.
Jackie: Into the nightmare, yes.
Alan: When you wake up. This is an old, old scam, and it’s been used before in history, and it’s simply used
again. And after the skirmish, I call it, of 1812, it was Baron Rothschild’s son who was sent over to
reestablish the border between Canada and the US. And he sat down with both sides and he drew up the
49th parallel, and they love the number 49, you know.
Jackie: 49, but why? What does that signify?
Alan: It’s 9 and 4, 13. That’s one of their favorite numbers. That’s why before most towns you’ll see 13
miles or 13 kilometers to, and that’s the last signpost you’ll see. It’s all Masonic. It’s everywhere. And
that’s the laugh on the public, because most of them don’t realize it. They’re living in another world
designed by another religion, and Albert Pike says that quite definitely two or three times in his own book.
He says, make no mistake, Freemasonry is a religion. And it’s a very deep religion, and towards the top it’s
probably the most elitist religion on the planet. At the bottom they think it’s a self-improvement society, but
at the top, you know, it’s a world where the elite have the right to live on the schmucks below. That’s how
it’s designed. Another good book to read is the Robber Barons. That’s an oldie. And most libraries probably
still have a copy. And that tells you how the taxpayer funded the building of the railroads, which were
basically handed over to the private companies. And I know in Canada, most of the politicians all had shares
in it. So, once again, the public finances big enterprises.
Jackie: Who wrote the Robber Barons?
Alan: I’ve even got the cartoons.
Jackie: Do you remember who wrote the book, Alan?
Alan: I can’t remember his name, but it’s well documented and it’s got all the names of the participants and
the elite families, and how they ended up not only getting the railroad tracks built, but they got so many
miles on either side of the track for free.
Jackie: Yes, they did.
Alan: And you know, it’s one scam after another. In fact, the Bronfmans came in from Russia, in the late
1800s, in the first wave, they came from Russia, about 1880, and they just happened to set up out in
Saskatchewan way, and sure enough, eventually along comes the railroad going right through their land,
and this very, very poor farming family we’re told, who probably did no farming at all, and whose name in
Yiddish just happens to mean Whiskey Man, that’s what Bronfman means.
Jackie: Oh, Bronfman, you’re kidding me.
Alan: No, that’s what the name means, yeah. And so it’s all coincidence, of course, you know. And anyway,
they got the rights to all the hotels and whorehouses along the railroad track. And then of course they
bribed every politician. They had prohibition passed in the States, and they smuggled all the booze into the
States, and they shared that with the Kennedys, in the US. And then of course, after they finished
prohibition on the US side, they bribed all the politicians in Canada to then pass it in Canada. So they simply
reversed the flow of the booze. It’s just one gigantic scam after another, you know. And that’s what history
is made up of. And of course these families end up as multi-millionaires.
Jackie: His story.
Alan: Yeah. They end up as multi-millionaires and they’re in politics, and the people bow to them, you
know. The ordinary people bow to them. And they’re nothing but gangsters, you know. That’s all they are,
just gangster families. And that is the history of it, and that’s what history is all about. It’s just one scam
after another. And there’s no way that George of England had anything to do with the American Revolution,
because George of England was mad as a hatter.
Jackie: Well, it was according to the bio on Hiam Solomon, the hero of the American Revolution, I know I
said this last night, but it bears repeating, in his, in one of his bios, it says that he went to France and
secured a huge sum of money from the Rothschilds to help finance the revolution, Alan.
Alan: And the British Rothschild financed the British side. That’s how it works. It’s amazing to watch this
con game going on. And what’s even more amazing is that the monarchy in France helped the Americans
with the revolution, because England had made so many plays to take over France in its history that the
monarchy weren’t on very good terms. And then of course, once the American Revolution was over, it
started in France. They deposed the monarchy that helped them. And it’s interesting, even though it was
taken over under a new system, it still had to pay that loan back, America still had to pay the loan back to
the brand new type of government. That still stood. And that’s what’s amazing, even when governments
change from one form to another, it does not affect the owing of money or the legal paying back of money.
It must still be done.
Jackie: Exactly. That was part of the treaties that were agreed to after the war, the revolution, the American
Revolution, that the British subjects, whose property had been seized by the government, had to give the
property back to the British. And they did not have to become American citizens, by the way. You know
what I’d like to do? We’re about to take a break. And why don’t you take this time, the next few minutes,
and tell our listeners about your books, how they can get them, and then I’m going to go and take care of
that barking. She’s wanting in this room is what she wants, Alan. So, I’m going to be off mike until after
the break.
Alan: Okay. I have three books dealing with Freemasonry, ancient Freemasonry. Freemasons. The term
that’s used today is a recent term. So, I go through the history of it, way beyond the guilds of England, of
the Middle Ages. Much, much earlier than that. And I also go through the history up through the present
times, and show you what’s going on. And I also give you a lot of the Masonic coding, which is all around
us. And if you want any of these books [see ordering information on transcript].
(Commercial Break)
Jackie: Okay, we’re back with Alan Watt. So, where do we go from here?
Alan: Well, it’s a matter, the problem on the shortwave as we all know, is that we’re either preaching to the
choir, or we’re preaching to people who have recently woken up and have looked around for other alternate
means of news and it’s not an easy thing to handle when you’ve just woken up. Seldom do two people in a
family wake up at the same time, and that often is the main problem that I hear, is that one has woken up
and they’re asking how to deal either with their spouse or their extended family, and I tell them generally
that they have to learn to live inside their head, because if the other person hasn’t woken up there is going
to be tremendous conflict there.
Jackie: Live inside their head?
Alan: Yeah, in other words, the thoughts that they have, the knowledge that they have, rather than keep
repeating it or sharing it with a partner who has their fingers in their ears, it’s best to learn to live inside your
head in that situation, because you can’t make a person wake up who’s not ready for it, no matter how
much documented evidence you have, they have to be almost spiritually ready for it, you know. So, you’ll
get a lot of conflict, because they want the old person back, the person that was quite happy with their life,
or quite happy with the way things were, and went to work for their eight hours a day and watched TV when
they came home. That’s what they want back. And it scares them, when the one who’s awake, it scares the
partner to see them becoming animated, you might say. Sometimes people panic in fact when they realize
it’s all a con game, and they realize where this is all leading to. That’s probably something that’s never been
discussed on the shortwave, is how to deal with that situation. Those who do wake up tend to be very, very
alone, and as I say, they have a tremendous, burning desire to share their knowledge, and it’s always with
the person next to them. And if that person, as I say, is not ready for it, there’s going to be tremendous
conflict. And of course they’ll be called nuts and all the rest of it. And it might even lead to divorce, in fact.
Jackie: Unless the person who has awakened, has an ability, as you said, to live in their head.
Alan: Yeah, you almost have to be two people. The person they’re used to, the person they expect you to
be, and the one you really are. You have to almost hide this now, although it’s impossible to go back, that’s
the other thing, you can’t go back to watching sports or whatever you used to do to pass the time, you
realize that everything is there to either indoctrinate or to make you pass the time without thinking. So you
can never go totally back. On the other hand, you have to realize that you’re now awake, and those around
you are fast asleep. And you cannot simply by giving them information wake them up. It doesn’t work that
way, you know. They have to have something inside themselves to make them ready to wake up. And you
cannot do that for another person, you know.
Jackie: Unless, unless, well, eventually, I’m not saying eventually it will happen, but the possibility of it
happening maybe, in fact, a long time ago we were talking about this, the brainwashing has been so intense
and the mind control, and my question was because, what we “know” or think we know, all of the
information that comes into the brain forms a pathway, and those pathways are there. And my question in
my mind was, can you replace what’s already in that pathway that has erroneous information or does it have
to be short-circuited. And my guess was, it would take a short-circuit. And when I asked you your opinion
of that, that’s exactly what you said, that it would have to be short-circuited, and then my next question of
course was, how would that happen? And you said, unfortunately for these people, it has to be something
that hits them personally.
Alan: Yeah, it’s a crisis of some kind. And yet again, in a marriage situation, often it will go the other way.
The crisis will occur, but the person will often choose, because there’s a choice involved here too, to remain
in the life that they’re familiar with, because it seems more comfortable to believe in it all, even though
things are crazy with prices and all the rest of it, they still want to believe they’re being taken care of,
because they know themselves if they start to believe this and check into it, which they’re scared to do,
they’d have to rethink everything, everything they’ve ever known. And that terrifies them. That really
terrifies them. And so they risk a nervous breakdown to come into another reality. And so often they’ll
choose the divorce instead. So that’s the conflict that arises. And of course, if there’s more family members
involved, they might just gang together and demand a visit to the psychiatrist even. That also happens to
some people who phone me.
Jackie: Is that right?
Alan: Yeah, because it’s too terrifying for them to start rethinking everything they’ve ever learned. It’s too
terrifying for them to say, my God, that means that every newscaster, every famous face on television is
there to fool me. They cannot go that way, you know. They want to believe in the Dan Rathers.
Jackie: Alan, it begins when we’re born. Because our parents were lied to the same that we were lied to.
And so, we live in literally a dream world.
Alan: It’s a Disneyland. And also, what they did thousands of years ago, they studied all mammals, and
mammals all behave in the same fashion as humans. We’re another mammal. And what you find is that if
there’s a crisis or something threatens the little family of mammals, the females run into the middle for
protection, the males automatically form a perimeter to protect, and if they’re attacked, then the males all go
off to war, you might say, and try and beat whatever the intruder is. And that works exactly the same way
with human beings. The women traditionally look towards the men for protection, in a rather violent world,
and today, they’re bypassing the husband of course, because this is the final stage of this system, this part
of this system. They’re bypassing the husband and now government is directly dictating to the wives with
regard to, you know, feminism and all the rest of it. And government is appealing and saying, well, we’re
here to protect you, that’s our job, and of course they’re giving their power to the government. They give
their power to the beast, the one that promises to protect them. And effectively the husbands are being
bypassed. And this was all done by design, because as I say, they understand mammal behavior, and they
know how to interfere with the normal flow of it. So we actually are the most studied species on the entire
planet, human beings. And they know how to manipulate the male and the female.
Jackie: Who are these creatures, Alan? Who are these creatures that are studying “human beings”?
Alan: Well, these creatures themselves claim, as I say, they have their own inner religion, and they do claim
that they were rebels in a spirit world. And I hate the word spirit, because spirit means drunk. You know,
you drink spirits to get drunk, and that’s why they gave us this term in the English language, from the Latin.
Jackie: What would the word be if it wasn’t in the English language?
Alan: It’s the true essence of what is you. What you are. The true essence. It’s beyond the physical. And
these creatures do claim that they were cast out after a rebellion of some kind. Now, people can call it
whatever they want, a cosmic rebellion, dimensional, whatever it is, but the fact is, they believe that they
were so perfect in this other form, this ethereal form, non-material you might say, that they willed their own
physical bodies into existence. And there were already natural people living here, that’s what they claim, but
they themselves willed their bodies into existence, and because they did that, the first generation retained
these supernatural powers. And when they started to interbreed with the people who were natural to the
planet, they began to lose these powers, and hence there was a speedy return to interbreeding amongst
themselves to try and regain those powers. And from then on, they’ve kept their genealogical lines going as
far back, well, we don’t even have access to them. It’s beyond and before Sumer, before 5000 BC. But
that’s the reason for the intense interbreeding that still goes on today, and the priesthood that matches
them up for those bloodlines is very, very important. It still exists.
Jackie: That’s why we have all the begats in the Old Testament? Who begat who.
Alan: Yeah, even though it’s all nonsense in the Old Testament. The Old Testament was a manufactured
fallacy. It’s actually a book of a system. That’s what it teaches. Every Masonic Lodge has that black book
of law, that’s what it is, in their lodge. And it’s a system with esoteric meanings. It’s not real people. It’s
they use the names of people to teach stories, esoteric meanings behind the stories. That’s what it’s for.
But it was put together by definitely descendants of these fallen ones, you might say. In Egypt, and
everyone agrees about this, 72 priests wrote the Old Testament around 300, maybe even 200 BC, in Egypt,
and they wrote it in the language of the Coptic Greek. And it was never translated into supposed Hebrew,
which is just updated Aramaic, until about the 1st century AD. So even in the time of Jesus, if he did read
anything in the Synagogue, he must have read it in the Greek version, because that’s all they had at that
time. So, it wasn’t written by Hebrews, it was written by another people altogether, for the people who
believed themselves to be Jews.
Jackie: And I’d like to make a connection here. Where you mentioned that the Old Testament is really a
book of laws, that was something that I realized, that the Old Testament is literally a political program that is
wrapped in a cloak of religion. And Moses, the first five books, I guess it depends on who is saying this,
you’ll read that the first five books of the Old Testament are the Torah, which is the basis of the Talmud, and
then some say that it’s the entire Old Testament. But whatever, Moses Mendelssohn, who was evidentially a
very respected and revered Wise Man, Jew, made the statement, that Judaism is not a religion, it is a law
religionized.
Alan: It’s a very pragmatic system. Really, that’s what it is. It’s a system. In the Old Testament slavery is
okay, there’s no laws against slavery.
Jackie: And it’s God who’s demanding all the wars.
Alan: Yeah, it’s the godfather. It’s a mafia system, you know. That’s what it’s all about. That’s what the
whole world is all about. That’s what all empires have always been about. It’s a small elite being gangsters
and lording it over the other people, living off the backs of the other people, and hiring the historians to
write a nice story about them, you know. That’s what history is all about. And it’s all to do with this thing
called money, without which none of this could occur. None of it. You could not hire an army without
money. You couldn’t keep men together long enough to invade anybody if you didn’t have this thing called
money. Money itself is an artificial creation. And we think it’s quite natural because we’re born into a
system that completely revolves around this thing called money. And we are actually called economic units,
you know. Every human being is given that title.
Jackie: Actually, we are called human capital, Alan. Human capital.
Alan: Yeah, that’s right.
Jackie: I just want to say this for our listeners. There is an article there titled, Are Your Children Human
Capital? And it is literally, it has been discovered that that’s exactly what we are to them as you just said,
Alan. And then after I found that article, I found the executive order that Bill Clinton had signed, where he
created a commission to study capital, all kinds of capital, and in that it was including human capital, and the
commission was to report on the depreciation of capital, and of course, my question was, how do you
depreciate human capital?
Alan: You make them sick, and you give them diseases.
Jackie: Yeah, you get rid of them.
Alan: Which is happening in Africa on a wide scale. And it’s actually happening more subtly in the Western
countries as we discussed last night, with the sperm count plummeting in the males, all by design.
Jackie: And the women having hysterectomies
Alan: Yeah, hysterectomy. And here’s the problem. People keep thinking or asking, well, when is all this
going to happen. They don’t realize, it’s been happening before they were born, and it’s been happening all
through their lifetime. There’s a Population Control Council in the United Nations. Before that, the League
of Nations also had the same council. And they don’t sit on their hands making wish lists of how to control
the population of the world. They actually implement schemes to do so. And of course, we’re told, they just
make mistakes with inoculations. They didn’t realize that the polio vaccine would affect the human race the
way it has, cause all the tumors and sterility and so on. It’s just a mistake. And then in Africa, they gave all
the free smallpox vaccinations out, and they didn’t change the needles, and lo and behold, the trail of AIDS,
all through Africa. And again, it’s another big mistake.
Jackie: Are you sure that that AIDS virus or whatever it was, wasn’t in the vaccines that they gave to the
Africans?
Alan: Oh, I have no doubt it would be in it. I have no doubt. They started actually the same program in
Haiti, and that’s where the AIDS first broke out, and then they went over to Western Africa, and you can
follow the trail from the UN free smallpox vaccine. So, this is going on. The agenda is underway. They
can’t come out and tell you, oh, by the way, we’re killing you. I think they’d have their hands full with upset
populations. So they simply don’t tell you; they do it.
Jackie: Well, yes, they do tell us. And I’m going to mention the toothpaste, again. On the toothpaste tube,
unless you get your toothpaste fluoride free, because fluoride is a killer, but there on the toothpaste tube
there is a warning that says, keep out of reach of children under six, and if you swallow more than enough
for brushing, seek medical help or call a poison center immediately. And Alan, that’s the thing that just
blows me away. Because I have showed that to so many people, and they just, it doesn’t compute, that
they’re paying for their poison.
Alan: Yeah, but they still believe that they’re being taken care of, and they cannot believe that anything
would be so widely advertised and promoted that would harm them. See, they live in two different worlds.
Jackie: Then it’s time that people suddenly, somewhere, somehow, snap out of it Alan, and really take a
look.
Alan: Well, it’s going fast. I mean, you see how autism has rocketed, skyrocketed up until the present
statistics. And it’s all to do with the inoculations they’re giving the babies at such a young age.
Jackie: It’s the mercury. It’s the mercury in the vaccines. Thimerosal and fluoride.
Alan: They know this. It’s a program, a population control program. And Joe Public thinks, well, we’ve got
spontaneous autism now. It’s just a plague of autism and it’s quite natural
Jackie: 1700% increase in autism.
Alan: Yeah, and of course the old autism that used to be here, prior to the 50s, was one in about 10,000 or
25,000 it was, true autism. And that means that from the time of the baby’s birth, it did not react normally
to stimulation and so on. Whereas this type of autism that comes only occurs after the inoculations. All the
doctors know this.
Jackie: There’s something I’d like to say here right now, because we haven’t said this in a long time, I
haven’t. Folks, when you have your children in school, in order for them to be in school there is required
vaccines that they have to have at particular grades. And every single state has opt-out for parents. All
they have to do is sign a form. And in fact, when I finally got through to Nicole in Missouri, and she did a lot
of research, found the law, and was calling the school, that was the first day of school, this past year to let
them know that she was not going to vaccinate. Actually it might have been a year before. But anyway, she
said that she was on the way to pick up the form that she had had faxed to her to a Staples from, you know,
the Health Department in Missouri, and the school secretary said, well, honey, we’ve got these forms right
here. You know, Nicole was ready for a real fight, and all she had to do was walk into the office and say I
want the opt-out form, and that’s what she did. And I want folks, listen to me, all of you who have children
in school, if you vaccinate your child after hearing what we just talked about, then there is something very,
very, very wrong. I don’t know what else to say about that, but I wanted that known to any of our possibly
new listeners, Alan. Oh, I have to vaccinate them, that’s what Nicole was telling me. I have to vaccinate
her or she can’t go to school. And I talked to Ashley and I said, Ashley honey, don’t do it. Don’t let them
vaccinate you. And you just tell them, no. And that’s basically what Ashley did. She said, I’m not going to
get it.
Alan: Everything is done under pretense and under color of law, but in fact, it’s just a matter of bluff. And
the willing fool, as they say in Masonry, if you’re a willing fool, you’ve swallowed it all, and believed it all,
you’ll go and take it, you see. But it’s up to the person who thinks to ask the questions and demand the
opting out.
Jackie: Thank you. And Alan, thank you so much for being with us again this evening. And ladies and
gentlemen, we’ll see you back on Monday, and thank you. And God Bless You. Good Night.
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
June 6, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. This is Monday and it is
the 6th of June in the year 2005 and I’m glad you’ve joined us tonight. I hope you had a nice weekend, folks. I’m getting
myself organized here. We have a guest this evening, somebody that I think you’ll be very pleased to be able to listen to
and we haven’t had him on too often and so I wanted to bring him on this evening. Alan Watt is with us tonight, folks.
I’m being facetious. Alan, thanks for being here.
Alan: Yes, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: The reason I ask Alan to come on we were talking about the food folks and one of the things that Alan was
telling me that I wasn’t aware of is what the large argi-businesses like Monsanto. You wouldn’t call them an agribusiness,
would you? Agri-business?
Alan: That’s what they call themselves, but they’re really a complete monopoly. That’s their job.
Jackie: A complete monopoly; and to start this out, would you tell our listeners what you were telling me about what
they’re doing with the patenting of other peoples and companies seeds?
Alan: Monsanto of course started off with a patent for genetically modified food for one particular species and of
course that eventually after a few failures eventually it got through the patenting procedure and so for the first time a
company could actually patent and own a foodstuff or the seed. However, that didn’t seem to be the real purpose behind
it because what it did was open up the doors for Monsanto then to go and purchase anybody’s seed, and then of course
they could go patent it, go back to the purchaser and say to them you can’t sell that anymore because we own the rights
to it.
Jackie: And you said they’re actually doing this today?
Alan: They’ve done it with thousands of species.
Jackie: Of species of seeds?
Alan: These are seeds which produce plants which people have spliced and so on in the old way for hundreds maybe
thousands of generations to get that perfect plant and of course no one thought of patenting the rights to it, except of
course the big money boys because food and water are necessities and they’re taking over both. And I think you have the
quote there from that lady who was in charge of the UN–
Jackie: Bertonelli.
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Where she said we use food as a – did she say weapon? She said we make no apologies.
Alan: Yes and of course there’s no doubt about it, to whip the world into shape into the new system we can see that
water has been taken over step by step. Now food of course is going the same way. People don’t realize they’ve had riots
in other parts of the world where Monsanto has paid off governments to push their seeds on the people. India had
massive riots over there.
Jackie: You mean the people in India actually know?
Alan: India has such a long history of a very class type system and it’s only in recent years that they’ve had any small
farmers at all who owned their own land and they see right away this is a move to take it all back from them, because
the seed that you have to purchase from Monsanto won’t regenerate itself. You have to go back every year to buy more
seed.
Jackie: They have the terminator seed and that is one, I believe – I remember reading about that that they’re on the third
world countries where people – I mean they live by the food that they grow and the farmers are being forced into using
the terminator seed. They won’t be able to afford continue farming because they always save their seed, their corn and
grain and et cetera, enough of it for the next planting; and the terminator seed, folks, in case you haven’t heard about it,
probably most of you had, it is a seed that will grow a food. I don’t think the foods are seedless but the seeds will not
sprout and this is another – you know when Alan did the broadcast last Monday night and I didn’t listen to it then but I
did listen to it Tuesday night after I did the broadcast. I listened to it on the archives and he mentioned the importance of
gardening, but gardening with not hybrid seeds. The hybrids aren’t bad. They’re not genetically modified food but the
seed of the hybrid, if they take two different types of let’s say a hybrid tomato and they make it this real nice cool super
tomato out of it, the seeds of that tomato, about 25% of them will germinate but they’re not going to be the hybrid.
They’re going to go back to whoever hybridized them believed to be inferior. What they do, Alan – you know one of the
nice things about if we didn’t have to worry about buying seed is that they can hybridize a particular plant for particular
areas that maybe are resistant to certain plant diseases but now in the Southern Exposure Seed Exchange Catalogue
they’ve got, it’s like you said, they have grown these seeds over time. They’re actually what they call “heritage seeds”
from long, long ago and so they actually have been able to breed the plants that are no longer hybrids that are for
particular growing areas and are resistant to rust or whatever some plants can get and we won’t have access to these.
Alan: No, and this is again a priority. It’s obviously a priority because the judges are totally onboard as they say with
this – onboard is a good pirate term. Now they’re fining anybody who gets Monsanto’s seed blown on their land and
even in the charges that they’re using against farmers where they find one or two plants on his land, they’ll put him out
of business and take the farm and they’re doing it. The judge even said in Canada here at the Supreme Court level, he
didn’t care how it got there, if it blew off, was dropped, brought in by a combine harvester and that’s another method of
moving this around. Farmers often hire guys to go around the farms with their combines and they’re taking seed with
them and then spreading it on the next farm.
Jackie: This one particular I remember reading it and I think it’s the same one you’re talking about, although there have
probably been more than one, but the one farmer who grew a non-GM corn and there was GM corn close enough that if
– what’s the word? Pollinated, then he was accused of patent infringement and that’s the one where the judge said and it
was because the wind blew the pollen from this GM corn into his field and the judge didn’t give a dog gone.
Alan: In that case there was even another farmer who had a whole truck full of seeds who had gone past his land and
found out the bags were burst.They found out that the bags had burst on another farmer that was passing his farm and
the farmer said that probably half of my seed here has blown onto your land, and the farmer admitted it.He says you’ve
probably got half my seed across your field here and so that was against him too, but the judge said I don’t care if a bird
even passed its seed in its droppings, the fact is as long as it’s on your land that’s all I need to know. Again, it’s a
Masonic must-be for their GM Grand Master foods that this is going to be this way because they want the small farmers
out of business.
Jackie: They want to put home gardeners out of business.
Alan: Yes they do.
Jackie: Just people who are growing for their own survival, Alan.
Alan: Yes, that’s a fact. They want to have total control of everything on the planet and when you watch these wildlife
programs that they always have on television, you’ll notice that they have the experts in the fields, or students or
whatever, tracing all kinds of animals, even rattle snacks and they catch them–
Jackie: Tracking them?
Alan: They tag them and track them, and you know this is all a symbol of what’s going to happen to every individual.
It’s the same thing. It’s the ownership of everything on the planet.
Jackie: Including our minds.
Alan: That too. We can see where it’s all going and food, shelter and clothing and water are essential for human life and
they want to make sure in the perfect world they’re creating in their habitat areas there will be no private property. You’ll
have to rent. You’ll pay for all your food and you’ll pay for every glass of water you drink; and of course if you don’t go
along with it, the punishment will be the withdrawal of your credits so that you can’t pay for anything.
Jackie: Your pings on the computer. Well, this is good news what I’m going to say that just popped in my mind because
we talk about – I don’t like saying “they’re going to” because it seems to me we’re helping speak it in like it’s a given and
maybe you think it is. Maybe it is, Alan, but I don’t care to be part of helping to speak it in and I’d rather say their
intentions and we know how far they’ve come today. But Holland and France, in Holland there was a 67 percent ‘no’
vote for the European Constitution and of course France also and these are the people out there. It seems like there’s a
wakening happening, Alan.
Alan: I don’t see it the same way.
Jackie: Don’t you?
Alan: I was in Europe when all that stuff was going on the last time and I can remember Britain voting no to join the
union three times and they said well regardless you’re getting it anyway and the same with most the other countries.
Whatever is happening today, there’s another motive behind it and I think what they’re doing is bringing on a form of
chaos.
Jackie: But this isn’t the government voting. It’s the people voting.
Alan: Yes, but you know the governments can manipulate votes anyway they wish, because they can tell you whatever
results they want to, and so I think they’re intentionally stirring up something because they do want some chaos on so
that they can put the new laws through and speed things up that way.
Jackie: They have to have the opposition to make the change.
Alan: See that’s their religion. It’s the “law of nature” as they call it; and by nature, they mean spring, fall, summer,
winter. It’s using at least two sides for opposition to create a third, which is the outcome.
Jackie: The third way.
Alan: The third way and that’s what they’ve always done you see. Something else is going on over there because these
guys remember started the program and the bureaucracies up in 1948 to unite Europe, but they never admitted that to the
public until it was all achieved, so they’re not likely to throw it out the window now.
Jackie: Like Vicente Fox and George Bush and Paul Martin restructured a continent in an afternoon on March 23rd
while Terri Schiavo was being murdered in plain sight in front of the whole world.
Alan: That’s right. That’s what they did. Of course, one day you wake up and some how it all changed and it’s here and
you say well how did it get here? However, there are big forces working towards all of this and the media of course
being an arm of government – in fact, the media is essential to government to keep us all busy and distracted and
worried and so on. The media isn’t going to come out and tell the public the truth. It’s amazing how many authors come
out from the media after the goal of any particular part has been achieved. They all come out with their books after it’s
done, which meant they knew it all along but they didn’t tell the public.
Winston Churchill boasted about this during World War II that they’d unite Europe. It’s so odd you see. There’s your
right and left again. There was Hitler going to unite Europe and there was Churchill. The only opposition they really had
in a peacetime situation was the general public in every country that wouldn’t go for it, so they gave us a war you see
and achieved it anyway. This is typical of the strategy they use. Something else is going on in Holland right now and
France.
Jackie: Something else. You mean that we don’t know about?
Alan: We’ll eventually see it, whether they want some kind of restructuring after a students riot or something, but
there’s something else behind it. Something they want.
Jackie: Well, you know what? That makes sense because it’s like the article that I told you about last evening. It was in
the Philadelphia Enquirer about fluoride and the dangers of fluoride. How it destroys kidneys and bones and why do we
have this in our drinking water? The Philadelphia Enquirer is a big newspaper and very widely read and then there was
the man that gave the talk on 9/11 at that university in Wisconsin and then C-Span picked it up. On at least two
occasions I caught it the second time around and this man pulled no punches. It wasn’t one of those “oh, there was
government forewarning and the government didn’t do anything. The FBI knew but they didn’t do anything,” et cetera.
He laid it out and basically said this was an insider job and this was on C-Span twice and I sat there and I listened. You
know your ears get really tuned and you can hear the littlest hook and I heard no hooks, Alan, and I thought my God,
why is C-Span doing this? Twice. They didn’t just do it once. They did it twice. But it’s as you said. What they might be
doing with this fluoride article, maybe it is testing the waters to see if anybody even responds or reacts to it.
Alan: It could be.
Jackie: I mean the thing is, why is it mandated to be in our water systems and it was a lengthy article.
Alan: And I wonder how much we actually have had so far?
Jackie: I don’t know. Now see, that makes me question. Now I get excited when it looks like a lot of people are standing
up and speaking out. That looks to me like an awakening. That’s why I said that, but when the controlled media is saying
this stuff it gets very confusing. What in the world are they up to? It was just like – do you know after GW on the
afternoon of the eve of Purim announced that we were going to “go to war with Iraq” the New York Times and the New
York Post began printing articles about how he lied and all the lies that were told to justify going to war. Now this is
two years ago and I thought what are they doing here? Because these are the same creatures that put him into office and
I thought well maybe they’re going to take him down, but they haven’t, and they printed all that stuff.
Alan: I know. In Canada here they did show on the CBC part of the supposed inquiry into the Iraq war and Bush was
sitting along with Powell and a few other ones and they asked the question about the reasons for his attacking Iraq and
the fact that there was no connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 bombing, and he said I never claimed that
Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11. He admitted that, but of course the same media and the Canadian
government again, the CBC television, showed polls done in the U.S. that two years after 9/11 the media had convinced
the public that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for 9/11; but there was the president admitting that Saddam
Hussein had nothing to do with it at the actual inquiries.
Jackie: But like you said, people are losing their memories.
Alan: They are losing memory. He did admit it. In fact, he justified it by saying “the world’s better off without this
tyrant.” That’s how he justified the war.
Jackie: Without this tyrant.And I’ll tell you on the internet, probably 29 out of 30 articles that you get about anything,
there’s always that thing in there. For example, yes, it’s true. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and he shouldn’t have been in
power, however, so the big lie is Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and yet he’s the man we saw standing in front of a crowd
of people talking and when he finished besides the jeering and yelling they were all firing their guns. In the book on
Saddam Hussein the government actually gave the guns to the people for self-defense.
Alan: In fact on again the CBC prelude to the war, they showed that all the private gun shops in Iraq were open up to
the start of the invasion and they were selling their guns very, very cheaply to everybody, every civilian.
Jackie: The people who didn’t have them?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And you know if somebody’s hated that bad a “tyrant” they’re not going to stand – I mean even if he was
wearing a whole of body armor, his head and face was – you know underneath his uniform he might have been
protected, but his head and face wasn’t protected and that was right on CNN.
Alan: Winston Churchill talked about Iraq before World War II and he said that Iraq is going to be very, very important
in the future because of the vast quantities of oil in the north. He said that will be a future battleground. Again, if you go
back to H.G. Wells, who was a propagandist for the British government, in “The Shape of Things to Come” he said
there would be two world wars and then a final third one. He said two with Germany, by the way, before the first one
happened, and he said the third one will start in Basra, which is Basra, Iraq. These guys have had this agenda up their
sleeves for over 100 years, probably a lot longer. People forget already that Saddam Hussein in his eyes he was taking
back Kuwait which had been part of old Persia before Britain divided up the land after World War I.
Jackie: Yes and England did that, didn’t it?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And not only – maybe it would have been left alone but while Iraq was involved in that war with Iran and then
you find out when you read the book on Saddam Hussein. While the U.S. was actually – what do you call supporting
Iran in that war to keep it going and while they were doing that Kuwait was drilling underneath at an angle and drilling
oil — sucking oil out of actually Iraq territory, and that was what Saddam Hussein said, you guys stop it.
Alan: It was in the papers at the time and Papa Bush, that was his first major job for the big boys was to set up the oil
fields in Kuwait.
Jackie: We’re at the bottom of the hour and we’re going to take a commercial break here, folks, and I hope you will get
your pen in hand.
Alan: Hello. We’re back again and I have three books for sale concerning not just the New World Order. This is an old
world order which simply keeps upgrading itself to the next part and I’ve got 1 2 and 3 just completed and I’ll be putting
more out this week. If anyone wants them, [see www..com for ordering information], and I’ll get them out as fast as I
can. They do go through a lot of the history of this system and that’s what it is. It’s a system which has been running this
world for thousands of years, building empires and destroying empires as it goes along. Now we’ve reached the time
when they’re building the final empire, the world empire, and they’re going to reshape the whole planet in the image
they’ve created for it, which is basically based on economics and if you don’t have a function or they have no function
for you, you simply will not be allowed to exist.
Jackie: I’m here Alan, but you go right ahead.
Alan: I’ve just finished.
Jackie: Well, you said this is the final one.
Alan: It’s the final one for this phase of it it’s taking.
Jackie: Right. Becausethey’ve been here before and maybe not to the extent that they are right now as you’ve said, but
as you’ve said, too, they’re not going to be successful. It doesn’t mean that there isn’t going to be terrible chaos and
heartache et cetera, but it doesn’t mean that they’re going to be successful.
Alan: What I watch for is not people fighting or Holland or France complaining or stopping or saying no. What I watch
is for the elite starting to fight amongst themselves, because that will be the sign that their pyramid is going to start
crumbling. Because these people you have to understand have been bred for their purpose. That’s why there so intent on
not just interbreeding but specialized breeding for specific traits, just like pedigree animals or domesticated animals are
bred for specific tendencies. These people are bred to rule basically. They don’t have compassion as we know it and
they’re heartless, but what they also have in common is an addiction to total power. They want power. The Joe Average
doesn’t want power over anything but these people want power over everything and they all want it; and now that they
see this throne of the world, this philosopher king as they call it, the throne is getting set up basically. There’s only one
seat for this philosopher king and they all want to be occupying it, and that’s when they will start fighting amongst
themselves.
Jackie: And I have read – this has been even in the last few years that they’re already bickering and fighting amongst
themselves.
Alan: They try and cover it up as best they can because they must give a semblance of order to the people, but these
people are ruthless when it comes to power and the sharks can all feed on other creatures as long as there’s lots of other
creatures around; but once they’re penned in themselves into that little top group where they all want positions, that’s
when they start feeding on each other and that’s when the trouble starts.
Jackie: Folks, I’ve got the phone number here for you. What I went and did was found my catalogue for the Southern
Exposure Seed Exchange. There are other catalogues out there that have non-hybrid seeds and non-GM seeds. This one
I use. I love this catalogue. There is just about nothing that you would not want to grow that you couldn’t find in this
catalogue and they actually have them listed for what parts of the country they’re good. Even for example in the Deep
South, a particular type of tomato that grows well there et cetera and this is Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. They’re
in Virginia and their website is SouthernExposure.com if you want to get a hold of them. You can get their address
when you call them and I urge you – well, I’m not going to urge you I guess because you’re going to do it if you’re going
to do it or not. I don’t care if you live in the city. You can turn your backyard into a garden, folks, and I know I’m taking
us back off the trail that we were on and back to this food thing, but where there is a will there is a way. If you live in
the city. If you live in an apartment.
You know there are people who are doing this in cities getting permission if you would from the city or the township or
whatever if you don’t have the space to do a garden and they’re doing gardening collectively. I hate to use that word but
that’s what they’re doing and where there is a will there is a way, but today we just have no idea what we’re eating. What
we’re drinking when we buy food at the grocery stores today and you know I’ve been buying lettuce. I love salads and I
get lettuce and I just – Alan, that lettuce will stay without wilting or rusting for weeks.
Alan: I know someone in the area telling me he knows someone who had a tomato that sat on the window ledge for
months and it took almost eight months before it starting drying out.
Jackie: Well, let me tell you something. There’s a tomato at the grocery store now. I don’t know that I’ve seen it lately
but I haven’t look and you know what it says? Please don’t refrigerate our beautiful tomatoes. Now this is a beautiful
looking tomato on the outside, but probably besides the minerals that you would get from a tomato grown in good sound
nutritious earth. Vitamin C dissipates at room temperature and so therefore in the first place how in the world could you
keep a tomato without keeping it refrigerated for any length of time? But even the lettuce and anything we eat and you
know I was reading that article to our listeners last week about aspartame, by God it’s in all kinds of things. It’s in all
kinds of prepared foods. The same as the MSG (monosodium glutamate) and it’s a killer.
Alan: And they know that too.
Jackie: Yes, of course they do and I don’t think I ever got to the article on MSG additive in food. They mask the name
of it. Some of the things will say “no MSG added” and it’s because the MSG is already in it, but also when you see an
ingredient that says “hydrolyzed vegetable protein” – now that sounds pretty innocent, doesn’t it? I don’t know what the
heck hydrolyzed means but vegetable protein. It’s another name for monosodium glutamate and evidentially the word is
getting out because Lilly found on the internet a bill that was actually passed here in Pennsylvania that is mandating that
restaurants list on their menus foods that MSGs are being added to because MSG first of all of course it has no nutrients.
But they say that it causes obesity and in the article that I have here that I intended and I don’t think I got to it, when
they’re studying rats let’s say for an example. An example was used they want to study diabetes and they need to have a
fat rat. Well, rats aren’t fat naturally so they inject them with MSG. They inject them with MSG and get their fat rats and
not only that, but the FDA has put no limits on how much they use. It’s in everything and they listed – I mean you can
list all the restaurants but some of the – well, like McDonald’s and Kentucky Fried and et cetera, et cetera, they say that
it’s actually addictive and it makes people eat more.
Alan: It’s a war on the people. It’s no surprise to us, but it’s a complete war on the people where you make them
malnourished. You can be very obese but still malnourished because your body is craving things and you can cram all
this stuff down you, but it ends up in fat and you’re still tired and lethargic and so on. However, that’s they type of
population you would want when you’re bringing them through massive changes.
Jackie: Yes it is, isn’t it?
Alan: Now I think it was Rumsfeld that had got that thing through for aspartame?
Jackie: I don’t know.
Alan: Rumsfeld, remember, was director for the Searle Company, which is a subsidiary of Monsanto. The Searle
Company’s main specialties for the last 40 years has been in the area of psychiatric drugs, so that makes perfect sense to
me that it’s a form of warfare.
Jackie: You know what I saw on the weather channel? You know how they advertise all these drugs? If you’re afraid to
go outside or socialize, they call it something-disorder. Social-something disorder. They call it SAD. They have a drug
for everything of course and then they do the side effects real fast so that you can’t even hardly hear them. Well anyway,
they were advertising some drug, another drug, and then they started talking about he Merck patient assistance program
and they gave an 800 number. In fact I wrote it down. I’ve got it out there on the kitchen counter and I called it but they
just had a message on it because you have to call them between like 8 and 5, but if you need Merck medication and you
can’t afford it and you don’t have insurance you get a hold of them and they have a patient assistance program. They’re
pretty lenient because if you make less that $19,000 a year as an individual you can qualify and then they go on to say
$36,000 for a family et cetera. But even if you are above those figures there will be special – they’ll consider, in other
words, so you get to get your Merck medications.
Alan: Well, I’m sure there’s a government backing program that will pay it back to them. They won’t lose on it. I mean
the government is tied at the hip with big business. In fact most of these – like Rumsfeld, he was the director for Searle
Company, which is part of Monsanto.
Jackie: Searle, where are they headquartered?
Alan: They have branches in the states and in Canada.
Jackie: They’re here in the states and that’s medicine and they’re connected with – it’s a subsidiary of Monsanto.
Alan: They work with Monsanto because they are a part of Monsanto really. They worked with them to create the
modified food; and as I keep saying, why would a company that specialized in psychiatric drugs, why on earth would
they be involved in making your food? That should raise alarms everywhere.
Jackie: Sure. It would make me want to start a garden.
Alan: And know as you say where the seed comes from.
Jackie: Oh, and by the way, I don’t think I told our listeners this. I might have a lovely tomato here that a lady in New
York, a Mennonite lady, gave Chuck about three years ago and this tomato it over-filled my hand. He got talking to her
and come to find out she listened to Sweet Liberty and we had been doing a whole probably two weeks on the food and
gardening and she gave him the tomato and said give this to Jackie, it is a Mennonite heritage tomato and tell her to save
the seeds. Well, I did but you know the floods that we’ve had I was concerned because my tomatoes even though some
grew but they all started getting the blossom end rot and stuff from all the rain. I sent Southern Exposure the seeds and
they grew the tomatoes last year and they’re offering the seeds to their customers and it is a beautiful, beautiful tomato.
When you call that number, folks, to get the catalogue, if you look in the ’95 catalogue you’ll see it listed under tomatoes
and the tomatoes are about a pound a piece and they’re beautiful and you can use them for anything. You can do
anything with them. You can make – they are supposed to be a pasta tomato. Of course, they’re delicious eating but you
can can them. You can make your pasta sauce with them. You can do everything with them. The website is
SouthernExposure.com and almost everything in there – I don’t think they have any hybrids. I know no GM but they
might have hybrids but if they do, it’s listed as a hybrid. Some of their seeds in there are 80, 90 over 100 years old and to
me that is just beautiful.
Alan: That’s what people are going to have to do because it’s only common sense in this day and age that you do it. You
have no option.
Jackie: Yes, you do have options, don’t you? Surely we all have options. I think options are called choices, yes?
Alan: That’s right because we know what’s going on. There’s enough information out really about all this stuff, even for
the average person to get a hold of, so it’s common sense what to do.
Jackie: Especially people who have children, Alan. It would be different – children don’t have the choices. Children are
subject to the choices their parents make and to have children and know this and have an opportunity or even if it’s
tough to be able to grow healthy food. Learn how to can. Learn how to dry. Learn how to preserve. Probably freezing is
our last choice in case you lose your electricity and stuff, but I freeze stuff just for the time being. I can also, but to not
do that, to not want to give your children the very best you can give them, to me it makes no sense at all. It just makes
no sense at all to just ignore it and just pretend, you know, shove it out of your mind.
Alan: As you say, it’s the children with everything look to their parents to advise them; and if they parents don’t know
themselves, then the children think that “oh, I’ll just copy my parents.” That’s the natural way of things.
Jackie: There are parents who know and I think you called it willful ignorance.Actually, it goes beyond willful
ignorance because willful ignorance would be “oh don’t tell me. I don’t want to know,” but once you know it, Alan, how
could you not?
Alan: It’s a choice once again of being double-minded in that they still want to believe the people – the experts you see.
The society of experts that guide us you see. They want to believe that they’d never do anything so nasty to the public,
so therefore it must be okay even though the evidence is out there that it’s not. They’d rather believe the experts you see.
It’s a choice. It makes them feel better because if they have to wake up and say wait a minute, these experts are all lying
to us, here’s the evidence, then they’d have to start questioning everything and they don’t want to start that journey.
Jackie: You know what though? I don’t think people would be listening to this broadcast if they didn’t want to know.
Alan: There’s that section of society who already know what to do.
Jackie: Okay. So then those who are listening and do know, then it behooves them. Folks, it doesn’t it? It behooves you
to do something about it and if you’ve never made a garden there’s nothing more fulfilling and satisfying than to plant a
seed, watch it grow, tend it nuture it and harvest it and know that you’re giving your family the best you can give them,
even if it’s only yourself. Even if you don’t have children, for God’s sake. Eat a carrot and get your hepatitis B vaccine –
I’ve got articles here that sometimes when I bring my email up I walk away after reading some of this stuff. I walk away
kind of bummed out for a while because there’s so much that we don’t even have the time to talk about. I don’t think you
have to talk about every tinny, tiny little detail to get the point across do you?At least we shouldn’t have to.
Alan: No. I mean plants have been used for thousands of years for creating drugs, and to modify food you’re modifying
a plant and they’ve already admitted they can if they wish make that plant produce anything they want it to produce.
When they say they can do it, you can bet your bottom dollar they are doing it. That’s all you really have to know.
Jackie: And eating GM modified food, then that would mean that the body is being modified.
Alan: Absolutely. Re-engineered.
Jackie: Yes, and to remind our listeners, I did this only it’s been a couple of years ago and for those of you who haven’t
heard it, a report that I read on – this particular one was potatoes. Feeding them to rats. GM Potatoes. The rats stomach
lining thickened. The arteries thickened. The immune system was depressed and when they took the rat off the potatoes
and started giving them a healthy diet, they could not reverse the damage. They couldn’t reverse the damage, so it’s time.
Alan, thank you for being with us tonight.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
June 13, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Monday. It is the 13th
of June in the year 2005. Half of June is over already. We went from having I guess about 2-1/2 weeks maybe 3 weeks
of 50 and 60-degree weather, when we should have been having 70s and the last, I don’t know how long, week, week
and a half. I don’t know long this has been going on. It’s in the 90s folks and it is just absolutely outrageous. I think it’s
called weather modification is what it’s called. Anyway, I guess that’s how it is. It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature, is it?
I don’t know if know if you remember that old commercial but that’s what I keep thinking about. Our guest this evening
is Alan Watt. Alan, thanks for being here once again.
Alan: Yes. It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Folks, Steve Jacobsen was on with us last Tuesday and Wednesday and the topic the new world religion. Alan
and I had conversations later about it and he was actually filling in more information and so I asked him to come on
with us tonight. I thought that it would be relevant to pick it up and let Alan take us further into this so we get a really
absolutely clear look at the dangers of the people that they are soaking into their games. Their dangerous games and we
were talking specifically about Benny Hinn, but there’s a whole group of them, yes Alan?
Alan: There’s a lot of them, some superstars amongst them, though, and that’s the key is the superstars who’ve been
risen up there by the old unseen hands that decide to give us the shepherds that we’re supposed to follow and of course
Benny Hinn is only one of them. The CBC television, the two separate exposés–
Jackie: That’s the Canadian Broadcasting?
Alan: Yes. They did two one hour specials on them and–
Jackie: What do they call these guys? There’s a word for this.
Alan: There’s a lot of words for them.
Jackie: I mean ones we can say on the radio. What kind of religion do they call this?
Alan: Charismatic, which is basically hypnotic.
Jackie: You know General Ben Parton? Do you remember him? He was the guy that came out there after the Oklahoma
City bombing. Ben Parton was a charismatic. He was all involved in that. A bunch of them are.
Alan: Yes, I’m not surprised because it’s a fantastic mind control formula that they’ve got down pat.
Jackie: Yes, but I think Ben Parton was one of theirs.
Alan: Oh, no doubt. That’s what Albert Pike said, “We always give them their leaders,” and that’s for every side. They
give you subdivisions, so there’s a leader out there for your particular personality type.
Jackie: You were going to go into this two-part thing that the CBC had.
Alan: They did special on Benny Hinn and the reason they started this investigation into Benny Hinn was because there
was a pastor in the U.S. who had polio when he was young, and I think he now has leg braces, but he had gone to Benny
Hinn hoping to get up on stage and be cured. That’s the whole trick of this thing is the curing. However, what he found
out was there is a whole team of experts in the audience working for him and they pick out the ones who are allowed
upon the stage and they must not have any obvious physical disabilities. If you’re in a wheelchair or on crutches or
whatever, you don’t get up there on the stage. That way they can pick people who have lots of other problems but you
can’t see what it is.
Jackie: You mean like pretend they’re blind or pretend they’re deaf or something like that?
Alan: Yes, or they’ve got cancer or a tumor or something and a lot of them do but they’ve been diagnosed. However,
physically you can’t see anything wrong with them and of course it’s strange too because Jesus is supposed to have made
people rise up when he cured them; whereas Benny Hinn knocks them down. He knocks them down and of course
they’re all trained to fall down because there are charismatic Christians who’ve watched this all their lives. When he puts
out his hand they all fall down like dominoes, but it’s the hypnotic technique. They’re already preconditioned to that
technique by being brought up in charismatic churches, so when it happens to them they immediately fall down as
though they were in a trance.
Jackie: Well, there is always somebody there to catch them.
Alan: Yes, let’s hope so.
Jackie: No, there is.
Alan: The thing is, the CBC did a follow-up to those people who had been up on stage. Some people had AIDS, cancers
and so on, and out of the ones who are still alive they were dying.
Jackie: In other words, are you saying those, not just professionals who were there to assist him, but actually people
that came up that had AIDS and stuff, they actually fell down too?
Alan: They fall down too because as I say they’re mainly charismatic Christians that have being brought up in the
church and so when something happens to them, they don’t go to the doctor often, or if they do go to the doctor, but they
still believe the next thing to Jesus being Benny Hinn is going to cure them.
Jackie: Do they pass out or what happens to them?
Alan: Some pass out. Some just fall down with their eyes open and I guess they wait for their queues to get up.
However, it’s the follow-ups that are really important because most of them – when someone is really seriously ill the
relatives will pay to no end the money to try and get them better; and Benny Hinn, of course, in his audience, they pass
around 5-gallon buckets and just stuff them with money and checks and so on and he takes credit cards too. He earns
over $220 million a year. That’s what he brings in, his organization, so he’s doing pretty well for himself. The CBC,
when they challenged him, when they eventually managed to get to him, the actual camera crew, when they found him
coming into a hotel they challenged him on the follow-ups that they had done on some of the people that he supposedly
cured and had even written about curing in his own magazine. It was all lies because they had followed them up and
found out they were dying or dead.
Jackie: Did he respond to them?
Alan: Well, he of course couldn’t remember the names or whatever or tried to sluff it off by asking them to come back
and make an appointment with him and talk to him, which he never did. In a sense you can see in the audience, the type
of audience that he attracts, that he’s got a ready-made market because people actually want to see the showmanship.
This tremendous Hollywood stage-managed showmanship and they want so badly to believe that he has a special power
that God’s given him. They are willing fools you might say. They’re conditioned victims already waiting to be used by
people like Benny Hinn.
Jackie: The danger that was pointed out by Steve Jacobsen last week when he was watching is that they’ve got this
whole on TBN. They’ve got this whole world prayer network or world prayer team or whatever they call it and he said
they are totally promoting the world agenda. The UN and Israel et cetera, et cetera and they’ve got all these people
praying the same prayer.
Alan: Sure. Well, that’s what sheep do. They follow the shepherd and they’ve all been trained since birth to be good
sheep. That’s what religion truly is all about, you know.
Jackie: Okay, I know and I know that you have said this before. It occurs to me we could have new listeners and the
first thought in their mind would be well that’s what Jesus said that he was there for the lost sheep and the Lord is my
shepherd et cetera, et cetera. I remember you saying I don’t believe he ever called anybody sheep because they’re the
dumbest animal there is.
Alan: You can’t get much dumber.
Jackie: But that the staff, the crook that the “shepherd” carries, you explained that there’s actually the depictions of the
pharaohs.Okay, so just expand on that just a little.
Alan: Well, from the earliest times even the statues that they uncovered in Babylon with the king in Babylon and the
pharaohs of Egypt, you’ll often seen them depicted holding in one hand, with their arms crossed in front of them in front
of their chest, and one hand holds a small crook, which is the shepherd’s crook. That’s so that you can pull the sheep if
they’re going the wrong way, so that’s the gentle hand, but it’s still used to get them to go in the direction you want them
to go in. Of course in the other hand, he’s got the rod and that’s for the sheep that are a bit more stubborn and more
individualistic. He’s supposed to bash that down on your head. That’s what the rod and the staff are for.
Jackie: The rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Alan: That’s a beautiful song of an abused victim because that’s what it would have to be. Of course, that’s what
organized religion has always been about is controlling the people so that a few can benefit at the top over the expense
of the majority. However, these shysters in the charismatic movement obviously are allowed to do what they’re doing by
“The Establishment,” which is a term I always use for the real government behind the governments, and I’m sure they
must give their kickbacks to their bosses above them for being allowed to scam the public this way. Because this whole
system we live in is totally corrupt. Now Benny Hinn, when he was followed around by this camera crew, he took off to
Europe supposedly to go on some crusade, but they followed him from one hotel to another. Now these hotels, some of
the rooms cost about $5,000 or more a night per person. They were the most expensive in Europe and he would get the
best rooms and they all have fancy names like Sir so-and-so or Lord so-and-so’s room and he was giving $1,000 tips to
people and waiters and so on in these restaurants and that’s where the money is going.
Jackie: To live a lavish lifestyle.
Alan: Yes, given by the poor and the sick and the needy, some of them whom actually, as they showed on the CBC
documentary, there was one couple in particular whose son was dying of something. I think it was leukemia or cancer of
some kind. Anyway, they sold their home and given all their money to Benny Hinn and moved into a one-roomed
apartment so that Benny Hinn could take the money and cure the son, and they showed you his routine on the stage with
the son and when they went back a few months later the son was dead and the parents of course were totally broke.
Jackie: I only saw him one time. I stumbled across him one night. I stumbled across TBN I guess because there was
Benny Hinn and he was fascinating to watch because he was so slick. I watched maybe 15 minutes, but does he actually
tell these people that the more money you give me the quicker – I mean how does he get people to give him so much
money?
Alan: It’s the conditioning. As I say, they’re preconditioned for these shysters by the religion itself and they’re told
constantly over and over that if you give you will receive, and the more you give of course the more you’re supposed to
receive. That only works for bankers who give out loans and it doesn’t work in real life for real people. They give
everything that they have believing the Lord will truly bless them and cure their offspring or whoever and somehow it
will be all right like some Hollywood movie. Now one of the Masonic jokes – they’re sick jokes but it’s true as well, has
to do with the fact that all of our language is a Masonic language. It’s constructed that way and the word “spirit,” which
is about the only word they’ve really given us to describe that yearning we have inside for something beyond you, which
you know is out there somewhere. Spirit is also the term used for alcohol, so when you’re full of the spirit you’re drunk
with the spirit; and these people have been trained to be drunk with the spirit and when they’re like that, they’re not
thinking logically. Their hands are in the air. They’re going back and forth in a hypnotic movement and they’re listening
to these shysters who have professional lighting teams all over the theatres, professional music players, instrumentalists
and so on. It’s a Hollywood production par excellence.
Jackie: You have a couple of videos and you have some excerpts. Are you going to share those with our listeners
tonight?
Alan: I could actually. I’ll see if it will work.
Jackie: You know what would be a good idea to do? Play just about four or five seconds of it and then stop it so then I
can tell you if we can hear it good, okay?
Alan: Okay.
Jackie: But Alan, before, because he’s got – oh, first of all. You had told me that he was a Jew and I mentioned that
when Steve Jacobsen was on and he said no he’s a Palestinian Catholic and that’s what people say that he says he is.
Alan: Well, here’s the bottom line. The CBC did a documentary partly because Benny Hinn also had Canadian
citizenship and on his Canadian citizenship he said that he was born in Tel-Aviv, Israel.
Jackie: So that would make him–
Alan: Jewish.
Jackie: In other words, he couldn’t have been a Palestinian born in Tel-Aviv?
Alan: No. You wouldn’t get a birth certificate as a citizen unless you’re Jewish.
Jackie: Yes, I read that, that the Palestinians today there can’t even get their birth certificates.
Alan: So it’s up in the air as to actually what he is, but really it doesn’t matter. The fact is he sits up there with the
Bush’s and the rest. They’re all oil-men, slick as can be.
Jackie: Okay. Let me ask you this. Can Americans have like Canadians have dual citizenship in America?
Alan: I don’t know about America, but I know for the last few years because we are going into the global society –
actually, for the last maybe even 20 years, people have been allowed dual citizenship here in Canada with anywhere.
Jackie: Anywhere?
Alan: I don’t know about the U.S. but everywhere else in Europe.
Jackie: I know that it’s okay for Israelis – in other words, the Israeli’s can have citizenship in the U.S. and Israel but I
don’t know of any others, but I shouldn’t say that so maybe it is okay in the U.S. too and I just don’t know it.
Alan: They’re always upgrading the laws but I do know as I say that Canada has been giving dual citizenships to
everybody that’s come in for donkey’s years now from anywhere and that’s part of the globalization structure.
Jackie: Before you turn this on, tell them what they’re going to be hearing so when they hear it they’ll hear it because
he’s got that accent.
Alan: When he starts talking quickly his accent become thicker, but the first little blurb that he does I think is about–
Jackie: He wants gold.
Alan: He wants gold, yes, and he said I don’t want to hear about gold in heaven. He says I want it now. I want it here
and now he said. I’ll see if this plays.
Benny Hinn: I said if you don’t like them kill them. I really wish I could find them and I wish God would give me a
holy ghost machine gun. I’d blow your head off. I’m sick and tired of hearing how it used to be back four years ago. I
got so sick of it. I said, Lord, if I hear this one more time I’m going to throw up. I want to see it now. I’m sick and tired
of hearing about streets of gold. I don’t need gold in heaven. I’ve got to have it now.
Alan: Did you here that?
Jackie: Yes. And what was he talking about, a holy machine gun?
Alan: Yes. He was talking about the people who complain about him and he said he wished he had a holy ghost
machine gun so he could mow them all down. He also said, you parents – this is not in this part of it but it’s on the same
tape. He said, “and you parents, if you’re criticizing me, you better watch your children.” This is like a mafia boss
talking and yet he’s up there. He’s one of “God’s chosen.”
Jackie: Are you going to play the rest of it?
Alan: I’ll play the same part again and then let you hear the rest. There’s only a couple of other blurbs, then you hear his
wife at the end who’s a real sweetheart you know. She probably weighs three times as much as he does.
Jackie: You said she looks like a dominatrix or something?
Alan: Well, she could do as a Sherman tank as she stomps up and down that stage there with the microphone in her
hand giving her spiel. This is the thing again where he’s talking about the holy ghost and the machine gun.
Benny Hinn: I said if you don’t like them kill them. I really wish I could find them and I wish God would give me a
holy ghost machine gun. I’d blow your head off. I’m sick and tired of hearing how it used to be back four years ago. I
got so sick of it. I said, Lord, if I hear this one more time I’m going to throw up. I want to see it now. I’m sick and tired
of hearing about streets of gold. I don’t need gold in heaven. I’ve got to have it now. I’ve got to have it here. You say,
well, maybe isn’t that wonderful to have gold, streets of gold; well of course, but if I hear the thing one more time of
how it will be and how it was, I’m going to kick somebody.
Mrs. Hinn: [inaudible] You know what you need? You need a holy ghost enema right up your rear end.”
Alan: There you go, so that’s show business for you.
Jackie: A holy ghost enema up your rear end, and the people go for this.
Alan: Oh, they go wild over it. It’s all superb stagemanship when he comes on with his white suit, very expensive, and
people won’t go to see anybody who wore rags because they’re trained that to be successful then God has blessed you, so
you don’t want to go to a poor person. You want to go and see a rich person and so he has the $5,000 or $10,000 suits.
Jackie: In other words, if you’re poor then you’ve done something wrong?
Alan: That’s it. God hasn’t blessed you, you see. That’s the Judaic element that’s crept into Christianity.
Jackie: Yes, because Jesus said not to store up your treasure here on earth.
Alan: He had this gold jewelry from his wrists and all this kind of thing, which must mean he’s very, very blessed and I
guess he is in that sense.
Jackie: And they’re doing this all over the world?
Alan: They tour all over the world and as I say the CBC did work out what his finances were for the year, according to
statements he made in his own magazines, and they said it came to $220 million income that one year alone.
Jackie: And that’s from people donating.
Alan: Mainly from the people again who have been brought up to truly believe this and they’re losing someone through
disease and they give everything that they have. These characters are basically psychopaths.
Jackie: I understand that Brother Stair isn’t on WWCR anymore.
Alan: I don’t know. I think he’s still on the air somewhere.
Jackie: Oh, okay. Then I can’t say anything because I was going to say something. I thought he was off.
Alan: He might be off that station but I do know he’s somewhere.
Jackie: Well, you know that one clip that Steven played last week, Benny Hinn was talking about the TBN that miracles
were going to happen and that people would actually be resurrected from the dead and that they would wheel their – and
he says not just my program but all the TBN programming, and people would wheel their dead loved ones in in their
coffins. They would leave the coffin in front of the television with TBN on four 24 hours and then they would take the
hand of their loved one, place it on this television and their loved one would rise from the dead. Then Paul [Prouch] and
whoever else he was talking to, you could hear them going “amen. Praise God. Praise the Lord” all this stuff. But he
says not so much in the U.S. it wasn’t going to happen. He actually said that. He said that all over the world this would
be happening and I looked up when I went into that world prayer team, Bill Bright, I know he’s a big one and he’s a
member of the Council for National Policy; but it says here with his the Campus Crusade for Christ, it says he has more
than 16,000 full-time staff and 101,000 trained volunteers in 161 countries.
Alan: I can believe it. There’s no end to the power that they have. It’s understandable since religion is a technique. It’s a
science and it’s well understood and it has been here for thousands and thousands of years and these guys know how to
use it. It’s all based on formula and the only precondition you really need is to brainwash at least one generation into the
belief of it, and then it’s an open field there. That’s an open market for the shysters.
Jackie: And the military is now promoting it.
Alan: That makes sense because they’re both armies in a way. They both use similar techniques where you lose your
individuality and you’re told to be part of the church or the army or the group. That’s what you’re trained to do, to lose
your actual distinct personality and follow orders of course.
Jackie: Alan, it comes down to this when you think about it. They preach that in the end times it’s going to be a holy
war. In fact, George Bush has called this a holy war, this never-ending war in the Middle East against Islam and
Christianity. You think about it, if these young people going into the military are getting this type of religion crammed
into them, they’ll go fight just because in their minds and hearts they’ll believe that they’re fighting a holy war for Christ.
Alan: It was done on the Crusades. It was the same techniques.
Jackie: My, my. We’re ready to take our half break.
Alan: Hello Jackie? I think we’re back on the air. Well, this is Alan here and what I’ll do in the meantime, if Jackie isn’t
there, is I’ll advertise my three books I’m selling here which go through freemasonry and religion. I give you a lot of the
origins of both and the third one I’ve just finished I go through a lot of the esoteric meanings of Christianity and
Revelations as I don’t think it’s been done before, at least not publicly, and I also go into the banking system in ancient
times and how through banking they took over the world. If you want any one of these books [see www..com for
ordering information] and I’ll get them out as soon as I can to you. Thank you very much.
Jackie: Thanks Alan. I had printed out a thing. Well, I thought I did, but before the broadcast and then when I went over
to get it I found out in that storm when I shut off the surge protector I had shut off the printer too. Is there more that you
want to say about this?
Alan: The charismatic movements?
Jackie: Yes.
Alan: Well, it’s really fairly simple. They have conditioned many, many people into the charismatic movement. Lots
were brought up in it. You can actually trace it all the way back to ancient Egypt because you’ll see many depictions of
the followers of Aton the sun god with their arms up in the air and of course it’s the same thing there. They move from
left to right as though they were in a breeze and the high priests would talk over the crowds in a hypnotic manner. The
technique is ancient and techniques are not lost. They’re simply carried from one place to the next and these characters
are taught from childhood, like Benny Hinn, how to use these techniques in hypnotizing the public and fleecing the
sheep – and it’s all perfectly legal, technically. It’s maybe immoral, but technically it’s very legal and so they get away
with it.
Jackie: I realized this from talking to people how difficult it is for people to separate the old from the new, if you
would, testament and the God of the Old Testament and if you used the word Jehovah they say well that’s not the right
name, the right name is Yahweh and you know that’s the breath, Yah-ha-weh or something like that; and then the people
who have been taken in by this Israel identity. Now there are some who will not call it Israel or Christian identity
anymore. They just call it something like another kind of Christianity – I forget what they call it, a certain kind of
Christianity, but it’s Israel identity and it’s part of this whole game. That there are some of our listeners who are
awakening to this, don’t you think?
Alan: There’s actually quite a lot of people out there who, through one way or another or experiences with these
organizations, have started to question and it’s a big thing for them because they’ve been brought up you might say in
Plato’s Cave where they relate their whole life and everything in it to Plato’s Cave, which is their church, and they don’t
know the tools in fact to use to totally escape it. Their whole life experience of who they are all boils down to this idea
of the relationship with Jesus, or, more correctly, with the organizational church that they’re involved in and that’s the
big thing.
Jackie: And it’s very difficult and it’s very hurtful. Of course, the ones as you said, because I’ve talked to some of our
listeners who in the beginning even those sending donations say well we don’t agree with your religious beliefs but we
hear your heart and we love your spirit. You know, that type of thing, but then people began saying you know what? I
was wondering about this. Why did God want all those wars? Or, why this, why that? But actually what they say is they
were afraid to even question, Alan.
Alan: That’s right because the churches have always been used by the state. It doesn’t matter if it was ancient Rome or
today, the churches were used by the state as part of their political process; and whether they like it or not, organization
religion is being used by the state for a political agenda. Not for individual salvation at all but for a definite preplanned
political strategy.
Jackie: Right from the get-go with Christianity in 325 AD with Constantine?
Alan: Yes and Constantine again was the front man anyway that was put up by the bankers of his time to help get this
religion established since they’ve figured out it was a winner. That’s when they gave a lot of the creed, the dogma out
that didn’t exist prior to that meeting and they also basically got rid of and destroyed other dogma or material which
didn’t mesh with it. They chose very carefully the parts they wanted to leave for the public consumption, but they
destroyed an awful lot of other writings. For instance, the early church and the Catholic Church did admit this in the late
20th century, they did admit early Christianity wasn’t just one sect. There were many different groups just like today
with differing ideas on certain parts of it and many of them believed in reincarnation, which is a standard belief in
Judaism. They don’t show that in the movies of Moses and things, but that’s standard Judaism.
Jackie: Are Jews taught that?
Alan: Yes. That’s standard Talmudic.
Jackie: Well, that goes back to the Eastern religions too.
Alan: Yes, so they took that out. Actually, the second council that they had they took that out and so for over 1,500
years that part which had been a vital part of the earlier churches was simply removed from it. The reason it was
removed was because if individuals who are being oppressed by the state believe in reincarnation, then they might just
risk coming back a second time as an underdog by rebellion against the state; whereas if you believed you only had one
lifetime and you had to be good or you went to hell, that was far more up the state’s alley you might say; and so that’s
why they took it out. However, Constantine himself belonged to the cult of Mithra and even two weeks before he had
his famous Council of Nicaea, he’d been elevated into the high ranks of Mithraism, which is a part of the Mystery
Religion. He belonged to a few other sects as well and after he made – he didn’t make Christianity the main church of
Rome. He simply elevated it up into the ranks of the ones that were already accepted. After Nicaea he had a temple
built, like all the Roman emperors did, he had a temple built to himself where worshippers could go while he was still
alive and worship his likeness in the temple, his statue. That’s the great Christian Constantine. There’s so much fable
told about the man and yet there’s so much history available if you want to seek it out.
Jackie: And I have read but I have never seen anything and I think you said that this could be found in the Vatican
Archives in their own website, that in 520 I believe it is AD that was under Justinian that that was when they went
through and took out all the references in the writings.
Alan: That’s right and Justinian himself was a pagan.
Jackie: Now what is a pagan?
Alan: Meaning basically he believed in the laws of nature and philosophy.
Jackie: Does that mean that they don’t believe in a creator?
Alan: No, they didn’t go that far. It’s very similar in a sense to Judaism, in that they knew that no one could describe a
creator, a godhead. It was too far removed from the simple mind of man.
Jackie: But in other words, they did believe in a creator?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: So the laws of nature would be the laws of Creator?
Alan: In other words, the only way you could find your way to the Creator was by understanding the laws of nature and
observing them.
Jackie: Okay. What are the laws of nature?
Alan: Well, again, this is really the same mystery religion that’s behind all religions. It’s a cause and effect. They
explained it in a thousand parables.
Jackie: Well, Jesus said as you sow so shall you reap.
Alan: That’s the same thing.
Jackie: That’s cause and effect.
Alan: That’s right and it’s the same kind of dogma.
Jackie: That’s dogma?
Alan: It was actually given to the pagans by the philosophers.
Jackie: So you think Jesus never said that then?
Alan: No, it’s very possible he did because it’s true too – what it means really is it’s more to do with the negative forces
you unleash tend to come back on you one way or another.
Jackie: Yes and what about the positive?
Alan: The positive, again, it’s supposed to be like freely given. That’s the difference. The positive is supposed to be
freely given. It’s like giving a gift. You don’t expect something in return.
Jackie: It’s not that you expect it. You don’t give it expecting to get something back, but it is true that for every action
there is a reaction and “as above, so below,” then what goes out returns energy. I don’t know how else to say it because I
don’t know that I have a full concept of it, but that’s how I see it.
Alan: It’s not “as above, so below.” “As above, so below” is the mystery religion Judaic and Masonic terminology
because the whole part of Revelations is a plan. It’s time plan if you understand what Revelations means and that’s what
they mean. They wrote their plan in the heavens. It wasn’t a god that wrote it in the heavens, because if you look at
constellations you’d be very hard pressed to say that’s definitely a goat, that’s Capricorn and there’s Gemini. You’d have
to really stretch your imagination to try, but this was written many thousands of years ago. The Great Work as they call
it. They wrote it. Their ancient priests wrote it in the heavens. It’s a time plan with a final conclusion for the part of this
plan and of course that’s for the Age of Aquarius. They have everybody saying on the middle level “as above, so
below.” What it really means is the plan above at the right times now implemented here on earth below. That’s what
they mean by that. However, cause and effect are different things and sure enough, we can simply look at science in
itself because through science, which really is another word for nature (the workings of nature), understanding of
sciences of nature, you can then start to manipulate nature and alter it. Of course in this mystery religion comes the
banks and everything else and the religions. They plan to alter that which was left imperfect, which they claim is man
himself; and that’s behind every Masonic group, every theosophical group and every other group that calls itself part of
a mystery religion. It’s all the same religion, but man himself eventually is to be altered except for the high priests
meaning the elite those who–
Jackie: Man is to be altered?You don’t think man has been altered?
Alan: We’ve been engineered to an extent but they mean the final. This is to do with the grand plan or the Great Work
or the Great Design or the Grand Design as they call it. It’s to do with the alteration of man himself and into the perfect
being. However, they’re talking from the elites’ point of view, and by that, they mean all of the underdogs to be made
into the perfect slaves where you will not simply procreate the old fashioned way. You’ll be sterile and to get another
one of you they’ll simply clone you as a worker bee. That’s what they mean by that and the symbol of the beehive and
the perfect society has been with them since the days of actually the Minoans had it 5,000 BC. Their symbol of the
perfect society that they want to create has been the beehive and that’s something that they found in the islands the
Minoans used in the Aegean Sea 5,000 BC and from there went to Egypt. It became a very popular symbol of the
perfect society and of course in a beehive you have the queen who’s attended by these priests. These priest bees and then
the rest of them are all workers. That’s their perfect society. If there’s too many workers, they take off or are killed off
and everything is attended to by the priests. The priests even determine which ones will be workers and which ones will
become priests by the type of food they alter. They change the food to suite the type.
Jackie: Well, they’re really doing that now.
Alan: Yes they are.
Jackie: With all the genetic modified food. The body, in order to survive, the physical body, it just seems it would have
to be being altered to be able to continue to exist with all of the food that’s being altered.
Alan: I think prior to the 1950’s the death rate from what are now common cancers were pretty well spaced out and far
and between and every year we hear about it’s now going to be one in four who’s going to get cancer. Now it’s one in
three. Now it’s down to one in two. In other words, everybody is going to end up with cancer and within 50 years we
think this is some sort of natural way. No, this is all through the modification of the food, the vaccinations we’re being
given – which I think were designed to destroy the immune system in the very first place and we know that the Simian-
40 virus definitely was in the Salk vaccine and polio vaccines. It’s only function is to create tumors.
Jackie: I’m talking their plan to control this world including the food that we eat. The air that we breathe. The water that
we drink et cetera. Every aspect of our lives. In this section where I mention food I added information on the hormones
because I had quoted from what’s his name, Charles Galton Darwin (Darwin’s grandson) from his book that – Alan had
sent me pages of that book “The Next Million Years” and he talks about the hormones in there and how they can change
the physical body by the use of artificial hormones. I actually quoted that and yet I wasn’t quite sure what the heck he
meant by it, except the part in there about the different kinds of foods and the master will not eat the same kinds of
foods that the subject is subjected to.
Well, then finding out about the xenoestrogens and they call it today estrogen dominance syndrome and I found reports
on it and I added that to that section. But it’s right there. It’s all right there, Alan. And the thing that I didn’t understand
except I got Dr. John Ree’s book and he told – what I didn’t understand is that progesterone is sort of like a master – he
didn’t call it that. In other words, in the body there’s a whole bunch of different hormones. It isn’t just estrogen,
progesterone and testosterone in that without the hormones being balanced the body cannot produce the hormones
necessary that function the entire body. And that’s what he said. I know he said it 50 years ago and then one of the
reports I found was from Canada and they were talking about that in Canada – I think they said 37 percent of women by
the time they’re 50 years old will have had–
Alan: A hysterectomy.
Jackie: The hysterectomies and that it’s higher than any other country in Europe, Canada is and it’s second only to the
U.S. and it talks about all of the things that are happening to women. Breast cancer, cervical, uterine et cetera because of
the artificial – my God, there’s 60,000 sources of xenoestrogens. It’s even in air sprays – aerosol sprays.
Alan: And soaps and shampoos.
Jackie: Shampoos, everything. That’s what I said. We breathe it and bathe in it and sleep in it and eat it and drink it–
Alan: And drink their water from the plastic bottles.
Jackie: Yes it’s amazing.
Alan: It’s part of the agenda because if you truly understand the mysteries, you’ll find that in the future they plan they
wouldn’t need women.
Jackie: Because they’re going to have hermaphrodites?
Alan: That’s basically it. Hermaphrodite beings. Something which they can then take from and reproduce a perfect
copy. In other words, very much like a clone, but they don’t want the female species. You know the ancient high priests,
we’ve got to understand–
Jackie: Is that in your first or second book about the hermaphrodites?
Alan: The first one I think. That’s within all their teachings if you understand them, the need eventually to eliminate the
female from the species. Even Albert Pike talks about the binary code meaning one is male and zero is female. Zero is
perfectly useless he said. You see, so they give you all these little clues.
Jackie: So will the man this hermaphrodite it will be masculine feminine. It will be a perfect balance with the masculine
feminine qualities even?
Alan: It won’t have the feminine qualities so much. It won’t have the emotional qualities because they look on emotion
as chaos. In fact that’s the term when they mean Order out of Chaos. They’re actually talking about emotion.
Jackie: And without that, a person would be pretty dead, wouldn’t they?
Alan: You’d be Mr. Spock.
Jackie: And without emotion, then you would not feel love and anybody who cannot love is walking dead.
Alan: Yes and you’ll allow anything to happen if it seems logical. It can be anti-human but it will seem logical. In other
words, if they say there’s simply too many people, let’s destroy a few million here, and no one will cry a tear over it.
Jackie: They’re doing it today, aren’t they?
Alan: They are.
Jackie: Well, they are. We’re almost out of our hour here. Alan, thanks.
Alan: It’s been a pleasure as always.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
June 27, 2005
Jackie: Ladies and gentlemen, good evening. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Monday and
it is the 27th of June in the year 2005. This month is almost over with and I hope you had a nice weekend, folks, and I
hope you’re doing some gardening. I told you last week that I believed that Alan’s books were on the way and I received
mine and those of you who ordered Alan’s book probably have received it, for those of you here in the states, and it’s
quite a work. Alan Watt is with us this evening and we’re going to discuss some of the things that he’s covered in the
book. I’m only about halfway through it. I’ve been working out in the garden, 98 degrees today, folks, here and boy I
want to tell you it’s hot. When I walked out the door it felt like I was opening my oven is exactly what it felt like but
anyway I find that I drift off to sleep a lot quicker at night when I’m out there. That heat can really zap your energy with
the exercise and the thrill of getting it done and seeing the progress is wonderful. Anyway, I’m about halfway through
the book and Alan, thanks for being here with us tonight and thank you for those books.
I received, I thought this was quite timely and maybe you won’t want to address it but actually I think that throughout
your book you have addressed the email that I received that came in today and its says, “amazing. It’s amazing how the
truth can be staring someone right in the face and they’re completely unable to see it. Jesus, the way the truth and the
life, stood in front of Pilate and the Pharisees and asked Jesus what is truth.” Now you claim the first five books of the
Bible were written by the Pharisees. Explain this.
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: This is to me, but we’ll keep these questions in mind and maybe we’ll address them. He says, “you know
because you were there or because some document which is more trustworthy than the Bible declares it. Just asking. On
your April 27th show with Alan Watt you mocked the Bible by claiming that the whole Exodus story was a farce,
really? Then I guess the entire Bible is a farce since the same Moses, which Alan claimed is son of Ra, appeared to
Jesus on the Mount of transfiguration and is referenced by Jesus more than once. Funny that Jesus would call Moses a
prophet when he was the “son of Ra,” so I guess that Jesus meets with fictional characters from an Old Testament which
was contrived by the Pharisees. This pretty much makes the entire Bible untrustworthy. Do you actually believe what
you say? It gets more and more bizarre every time I check in to hear what you have to say. It seems to me that you just
make it up as you go, so what other parts of the Bible are false? Some, most, all, and you love to put “other sources” of
information above the word of God, why? If the Bible is incorrect then why even talk about Jesus, especially since I
heard you say on several occasions that what is written about him in the Bible is false as well. Well that’s an
exaggeration but with all of this said, we come full circle to my opening statement. So you, like Pilate, stand right in
front of the truth and ask what is the truth. Why? Because you do not believe that the Bible is the infallible written word
of God and you live by knowledge and not by faith and this, Jackie, will be your downfall.”
Alan: Well, they’re entitled to their opinion for sure.
Jackie: I know that but I thought that maybe, for example this Moses thing. She says Jesus references Moses. No, I
don’t know that we would say Jesus references Moses. Moses is written into the New Testament. Is there anything in
here that you would be willing to discuss?
Alan: I’ll tell you, to be honest with you, people who are so brainwashed into a condition, and that’s what their reality is
for them, it’s a condition of training you see. Now these people believe that this is the infallible word of God would be
just as good if they were born in the Middle East and if they were Mohammedans or if they were born in India and they
were Buddhists or Hindu, they would be faithful followers of the religion that was given to them. Of course they
themselves can’t see that because they cannot imagine being born anywhere else or to be anybody else than that whom
they are, but they believe exactly as they’ve been programmed to believe.
Jackie: The one thing that when people say the infallible word of God, then in their mind their concept of Creator is
conflict, confusion, chaos–
Alan: And superiority and elitism. You know, “we’ve been chosen and you haven’t.”
Jackie: Right and I think about the contradictions and I know that the “law,” if you would, truth, is within in our hearts.
It’s within our minds, even though we don’t have it all recalled to our consciousness but isn’t that what our purpose being
here is, Alan?
Alan: Yes and also people believe that they’ve been created in a long line of lineages of creations all stemming from the
same source. They’d have to ask why do we have the ability to think for ourselves. Why do we have that ability and
rather than being good little programmed readers of something that was supposedly written many thousands of years
ago, supposedly, but really the world hadn’t really heard of the actual teachings of this religion until Constantine came
along and had his Christian counsel and most of his advisers were supposedly Jewish bishops from various areas of the
Roman world. Basically they confabulated a whole history to justify this religion, which they were giving to the people
solely to control the people. Politicians are there to control people. That’s their job.
Jackie: One of the things so far that you have done with your explanation about the actual photocopies of the old books
where it’s just — even Freemasonry when they said Freemasonry — was it Freemasonry began in Babylon? Is that what it
said?
Alan: Yes, basically.
Jackie: And that all of the stories that are in the “infallible” word of God bible were part of the religion from ancient
times.
Alan: Oh, absolutely, just recycled over and over and you’ll find the same characters doing the same things in the Hindu
religion which preexisted all of that. Much, much older and they simply translated the same terms for their names into
another language and so you have characters like Moses. Moses is an Egyptian word. It simply means “child.”
Jackie: Or son of, if that means child?
Alan: Yes and Ramoses is child or son of Ra, so you just skip the Ra and you’re left with the child, you see – kind of
like Rothschild.
Jackie: There was Ramses or Ramoses, Tutmoses and then we have Moses.
Alan: Yes, and even then people get thrown off by I think deliberate misspellings of things because Tutmose is “child
of Thoth” so it should really be T-H-O-T-H, you see, so the official historians give us another spelling of it which
throws people off, but it’s the spoken word when you’re dealing with languages and the origins of words. It’s the spoken
word which is important.
Jackie: Yes, you’ve covered that in the book also where you called it hearing – instead of spelling it’s the hearing. You
hear the sameness of certain words and see that’s where I’ve noticed that I’ve gotten caught up is by the spelling not the
hearing of it.
Alan: Of course we live in such an intense controlled situation called reality, where even our language has been so
tampered with or even created from the beginning that “spelling” even in the dictionary is next to “spell” – to cast a spell
– and that isn’t a mistake. Spelling itself casts a spell over the reader and if you’re not sounding the words in your mind
you’ll actually miss the other meanings of them.
Jackie: A lot of our listeners have caught this a lot quicker than I have because a lot of times when we do a broadcast
together then I’ll get emails from people and they see something and say look at this and they actually wind up doing
what you do, is see the word within the word, the actual word, which I think that’s wonderful that people – the title of
this is Cutting Through, No. 3 and as I said when I looked at it, I thought cutting through the BS is what it is, Alan.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Are there any particular areas of the book that you would like to go into tonight?
Alan: Well, it’s to show people really how behind all the religions there’s another religion contained within them all and
that one religion is the esoteric within them all. In other words, there’s only one esoteric religion, and yet, whether you’re
Hindu or Mohammedan or Christian or whatever, you’ll find with the “mythos” as they called it, the founding of the
religions and the stories told, there’s actually the same story being told over and over and over. Of course that’s what all
high Freemasonry has always been taught even before it was called Freemasonry, you know Rosicrucianism and so on,
and it does go back not only to Babylon but it was there at the beginning with Sumer. The same stories are told of their
deities, which are supposedly all gods, and in those days remember a person who was superior and one of the nobility
was called a god. These were very human-like gods and so the same stories were told about their foundings and how
they came to be all these different gods and it’s the same stories told over and over.
Jackie: In “Mystery Babylon Religion” which quotes heavily of course from the two Babylon’s, even to the Catholic
saints they had the same individuals, the same gods or goddesses, sometimes even the same names.
Alan: In fact, if you look at the Greek version of Hermes, he was also a patron of shepherds and the Greek version of
Hermes has a statue of him with a lamb over his shoulder and of course that was the same symbology that was brought
into Christianity and you’ll see the same statues there. Sometimes it’s Jesus with the lamb over his shoulders and
sometimes even St. Christopher even has that at one point, so they use the same symbols, same statues actually.
Jackie: The symbol of Mary the mother of Jesus, they use the same symbol for her as they do Isis and they call her “the
Queen of Heaven” and they actually show her, they depict her in some of them standing on like a crescent moon with
the stars around her and that’s the same way that Isis–
Alan: And the moon under her feet. That’s the traditional mother of all creation. They mean all the world of matter.
That’s what it means and of course in Luxor there are two main pillars there. One for Osiris and one for Isis and the
statement inscribed in it for Isis is that “I am Isis, Queen of all, Queen of heaven, Queen of earth. Without me nothing
was made.” In other words, she is matter and it’s from that very word matter that you get, it comes from mother.
Jackie: What about father?
Alan: The father again is varied because even in freemasonry since it is a male-dominated thing you’ll find different
terms for different types of “father” you might say.
Jackie: Can you give an example?
Alan: It’s a degreed system and of course they gave them titles to do with power over others and some of them very
ridiculous long titles, which I thought you used to only find them in the Middle East but you still find them filtering into
even the court system of the West where you have “the right honorable judge” and so on. These were all titles to a god
or a deity and even the worshipful master of a Masonic lodge is a worshipful master. He deserves your worship. That’s
what it means. They have a hierarchy of meanings for father and brother. That’s why all Masons are also brothers but
they also have a father.
Jackie: I heard Joseph Biden after they got the crime bill passed. They had this big old celebration and it was on C-Span
and they had the guy from Ohio. He was an old guy. I forget his name. Joseph Biden and Janet Reno up there and when
Clinton came in, Joseph Biden almost genuflected and called him “your holiness.”
Alan: Oh really? Well, I’m not surprised because if you’re worshipful then you’re supposed to deserve worship, literally
worship.
Jackie: And the ziggurat. You’ve got the photocopies of the ziggurat in here and where the first step was 33 degrees, but
what fascinated me was seeing Lenin’s tomb and seeing that it was a takeoff on the ziggurat and the ziggurat was a
religious type of a thing. It’s like a pyramid, only it’s stepped.
Alan: That’s right. They show the world the religion they really belong to, while the same people stir up the exoteric
religions against each other. It’s quite clever, while the inner players all belong to an esoteric religion, which is one
worldwide, but their symbols are always thrown in your face and they love to mock the victim, which is really the
population. However, they show us upfront what they belong to and everyone knows of course – in fact, Lenin’s tomb
was recently redecorated inside and they’ve got his body or his mummy back on display. There’s another thing too. Why
would they mummify his body?
Jackie: No lie.
Alan: It’s in a crystal case and you’d swear that he just died five minutes ago and that’s back on display and everyone
knows of course that Lenin was a Jew and that’s behind the head now. They have a placard up there giving his history
for the first time.
Jackie: Do the people in Russia, maybe you don’t know this, as a whole do they revere Lenin or do they know what a
monster he was?
Alan: There’s a lot of the population do revere him because the propaganda was so intense including their schooling
right from your first day at school. You’d be taught to revere this man literally as the next thing to any god.
Jackie: So it would be only the people who were there when Lenin was there that knew what a monster he was and
they’re gone today.
Alan: They’re gone. Although, even some of his compadres there, his henchmen like Trotsky, did write books at that
period and went through their system or their strategy of terror, because when you take over a system you want
compliance and immediate compliance to maintain your hold on the system and they have a reign of terror. They always
have a reign of terror and so you saw that – actually they had that too in the British Revolution. People forget that
England was the first one to have a revolution.
Jackie: And that was when, Alan?
Alan: They had that actually before Cromwell but he re-revolutionized it again and you’ll find the same thing with the
American Revolution, then the French Revolution. The French really went to town and then after that of course you had
the Russian Revolution with its reign of terror, which was based more on the French model right down to population
control. That was part of the French Revolution. They had maps made out before the revolution that they had to reduce
the populations of the rural areas and they rounded up thousands and thousands from regions. They had the map cut up
into regions and they would take the so-called excess population, peasants mainly, and put them on river barges; the
ones at the coast line were put onto old ships and they fired cannon into them and sunk them because they wanted the
population down. This wasn’t just a haphazard spontaneous revolution.
Jackie: So they couldn’t revolt?
Alan: Partly that, but they also had the whole agenda that we see portrayed through the League of Nations and then the
United Nations with its population reduction, population management, right down to how many do we actually need for
a specific task.
Jackie: They call it “Family Planning,” Alan.
Alan: That’s right and now it’s societal planning.
Jackie: You have to say it nice.
Alan: This stuff goes right back for hundreds of years. It’s part of the Mystery Religion you might call it.
Jackie: I would like to say this to our listeners. It was told to a group of doctors I think it was back in ’65 or ’68 in
Pittsburgh by Dr. Richard Day and you know it was interesting. Dr. Dunegan who started taking the notes and made the
tape he said that Dr. Day mentioned several times that – in other words, he realized that his handlers would not be happy
that he was telling all these doctors this, but there had to have been some type of hypnotic something going on. Maybe it
was because they were all full from a real good dinner and had a few probably cocktails or wine, whatever, but he told
them you cannot take notes and you cannot tape this and most of you aren’t even going to remember most of what I’m
saying tonight, but he says I wouldn’t have been able to tell you this a couple of years ago but now everything is in its
place and we intend to go into the 21st century with a running start and nothing can stop us now and he talks about all of
this. It’s all laid out and he even told how they would do it and when you read that you cannot deny it because it’s
happening today. Even minute little details about the clothing and how they were going to take little girls and they were
going to take the nurturing inherent mothering qualities from them by getting rid of the baby dolls and then came the
Barbie dolls right after that.
Alan: They gave the dolls to the boys.
Jackie: Yes, they did give the dolls to the boys, didn’t they? All these things, Alan, that you’ve talked about that we’ve
talked about, it was laid out there and he said it very plainly and what I found interesting Dr. Day was elderly but it was
very soon after he admitted all this to this group of doctors that he died and they probably got pretty ticked off. Sort of
like what’s his name?
Alan: Carroll Quigley.
Jackie: Yes, Carroll Quigley. He told that he thought it was a wonderful idea and his only problem with it was that they
wanted to keep it secret and he thought people should know because it was such a wonderful plan. What a nitwit. What
a nitwit this man was.
Alan: The thing is, when you look back at everything you realize that every era has been just as controlled, every era.
You see, we’ve never had what we think of as freedom since as I say from at least the days of Sumer and now through
archaeological digs they’re digging up previous civilizations like the Harappan culture which also was intensely – I
mean you’re talking about underground heating, under-floor heating, piped water in the rooms–
Jackie: Under-floor heating.
Alan: Yes and piped water into rooms and you were talking 6,000 or more, 7,000 BC.
Jackie: Who were the Harappans?
Alan: Well, that’s just it. The Sumerian culture was basically built on top of the previous civilizations that had existed
there and the one prior to Sumer they’re giving the name of Harappan. They like to give it a name so they can identify or
at least know who they’re talking about.
Jackie: Okay. So that was before Sumer?
Alan: Yes and the Harappan cities that they’re digging up extended all the way from Egypt to China, so they had a
tremendous trade market. They had a high standard of living but it boils back to the same thing. It’s trade and a
monetary form so that they could literally get the people using their money. Whether you weight it or count it doesn’t
matter. It’s getting the public to give up their rights for things they want and once you do that and they introduce their
money they’ve got you. I knew that too because it’s evident when you study Sumer that they were so perfect in their
managerial system of society.
Jackie: You know what? I’m glad you brought that up and I want if you will because we have to take our break right
now. When we come back, because you were reading to me once and I know that it’s in your head so you don’t have to
read it, but the system that you were reading from, whatever it was, is exactly the system that we’re living under today.
Alan: Exactly.
Jackie: Including the taxes and just everything. All right, we’re back folks and since we’re talking about Alan’s third
book here let’s give Alan’s address, if you still have your pen in your hand. I hope you do. If you want the book that
we’re discussing, first of all Alan recommends very emphatically that if you don’t have numbers 1 and 2 you should
begin there because this is the third one that he’s done and really what it does is it just follows along from one to the
other to the other. Do you call all of them “Cutting Through,” Alan?
Alan: I did initially then I changed I think the second one, but they’re all “Cutting Through”–
Jackie: They are cutting through the BS. Okay. [See www..com for ordering information.]
Alan, before we pick up the Sumer thing there’s a couple of things I wanted to mention. Joe Bannister, I think most of
our listeners or a lot of our listeners are probably aware of it. Joe Bannister is a former IRS agent. In fact this has been in
the newspapers you know, the press and the news, the mainstream has actually picked this story up. Joe Bannister who
was a former IRS agent and is now part of the “We the People” organization, that would be Bob Schultz from New
York, he was indicted and charged with giving I think disinformation to his clients because he left the IRS and became a
CPA and Joe Bannister actually won his trial. He was acquitted of all charges. Al Thompson and we had Al on with us
one night, a business owner. He was one of Joe Bannister’s clients and they each had a trial. They were both – I don’t
know if this was together, if they were charged together and the trials together or separately, but lets just put it this way.
Joe Bannister got off and his client from what I’ve read I’m sure they’ll be appealing it is going to prison and I also read
if I’m not mistaken, I shouldn’t maybe say it because I can’t take it to the bank but there was another client of Joe
Bannister’s who’s already in prison and you know this doesn’t surprise me. Just because of his association with this Bob
Schultz because Bob Schultz is a Rockefeller boy and there’s an article about Bob Schultz and it was actually written by
Sandy Stika, a lawyer, but this woman had the goods on Bob Schultz and I had the goods on him myself from a previous
interaction with him in 1993. I knew he was a phony but I didn’t know he was a Rockefeller boy and I’m not surprised.
When I found out that he was going to court, I thought ha, maybe I was wrong about Joe Bannister. Maybe he’s just
been taken in by this crew but to get off on these charges we’ve got Dixon Cannon from Texas sitting in prison. There
are other business owners sitting in prison and Bannister gets off and folks I wanted you to know that. I want you to not
be taken in by this because I suspect that this was a setup. The whole thing was planned out.
Alan: Generally, most of these things are sting operations where they put their man out there, people fall for it then they
arrest them.
Jackie: And Bannister gets off and everybody on the internet is just celebrating to high heaven.
Alan: “They give us our heroes” as Albert Pike said.
Jackie: Alan, I’m going to tell you something. Sometimes the internet just makes me crazy because you get these
articles and people are just ecstatic that he won this thing but they’re not getting it. They don’t put two and two together
and see that he got off but his client didn’t.
Alan: Well, that’s what happens when you make a hero. He already was a hero for coming out and now he’s more of a
hero for getting off with the charges. You can be a bigger hero now and con more people.
Jackie: That’s why I wanted to bring this up before I forgot it. Now can we go to Sumer? And you know the gentlemen
who wrote me the letter? I don’t know, he probably wouldn’t want to have a conversation with you because he just wants
to say how crazy I am and how crazy you are. I’d like to say this one more thing though. If he’s listening tonight, if you
read about the account that was written by Immanuel Velikovsky on the conflagration that occurred about the time the
so-called exodus out of Egypt was supposed to have occurred you will see that. His book is titled, “Worlds in Collision”
and the other one is called “Earth in Upheaval”, it’s a sequel, and those books unless he made up all of that, all of the
ancient manuscripts that he quoted from, and I don’t believe he did, and he’s a Jew and he even quoted the Rabbis saying
that at that time when the sun – it was dark for three days. According to his report on the other side of the earth, the sun
stood still in the sky for three days but the Rabbis said that 49 out of 50 of the quote “chosen people” left Egypt. They
were leaving because they were trying to find some sun. They were trying to find some food and it wasn’t just they who
left and so therefore that to me when you look at that and you see that they wrote that story of exodus, of course always
around the chosen, well then it’s our choice if we’re going to —
Alan: It’s a choice. See, Velikovsky too, we’ve got to remember, was a Rabbinical Rabbi and the son of a Rabbinical
Rabbi.
Jackie: Well, he must have ticked them off no end.
Alan: No. He was sent out from Communist Russia to promulgate this really.
Jackie: But why?
Alan: Because at that time they could not find any evidence of an ancient Israel people so his job was to try and
validate the fact that there had been an ancient Israel people.
Jackie: I see. So he wrote it into the histories.
Alan: When you look at all of it – when they discovered the Tel el Amarna city, which was the record-keeping capital
basically of Egypt when Akhenaton was in power, they found literally millions of correspondences all in baked tablets
from all their satrapies or little princedoms across the entire Middle East back and forth from the leaders or the princes
or whoever was put in charge of these conquered peoples. Yet nobody’s history, whether it’s ancient Persian or Egypt or
whatever, nowhere did they mention a people called Israeli or a land called Israel.
Jackie: It’s been supposed or theorized maybe that it was the Hyksos that were there during that time that it was
supposedly the chosen.
Alan: What we do know is that from the Greek records and Tel el Amarna records that one of the peoples was called
Hyksos, which today means again “shepherd kings,” but it really was cattle which they drove in front of them, these
wandering tribes. They were joined by another huge group from they think somewhere in the Aegean and of course this
is where all the stories of Atlantis come from, that these people evacuated their land during tremendous volcanic
upheavals when the land sunk beneath the water.
Jackie: Would that have been around the time of that whole conflagration?
Alan: Yes. In fact, the Egyptians had records of incredible tidal waves which had traveled across the Mediterranean and
caused tremendous damage to neighboring shorelines and so on. Crete was flooded at the time when this huge island
went down and the Peoples of the Sea came in, very well organized people, very well military equipped and they joined
with the Hyksos and invaded Egypt and they took it over and ran it for about 150 years or so. They were the cruelest
barbaric people according to the Egyptians that they’d ever known. They had no respect for any religion. They used
terror again to subjugate the populace. They would just commandeer hundreds of people for a public spectacle and chop
them to pieces and that was to keep everybody else in line.
Jackie: That’s the entertainment of the day.
Alan: It has never changed. The same thing happened in the Russian Revolution where Lenin ordered his men
according to Trotsky to go out into all the rural areas and just round up a couple of dozen in every little village, hang
them from the trees and let their bodies rot and that will terrify the rest of them to comply. That’s how power is
maintained. It’s an ancient technique and it’s a science in fact which has never been lost. It’s actually taught in certain
places and of course we’re seeing the same thing now as they go into a global civilization – I hate to use the world
civilization. That’s their term for their system, but we’re going to the global structure and to maintain powers as
governments they must have a terror within if they can’t have a terror abroad.
Jackie: Do you know the Guantanamo – no, the place where they have found that they have been torturing people –
what’s the name of this place?
Alan: That’s right. That’s the one that’s in Cuba, Guantanamo Bay.
Jackie: Do you know that one of the – I don’t which one it was of the three broadcast companies, but they actually had a
poll on their internet site asking people if they agree that torture should be used for these “suspected terrorists” in order
to get the truth out of them. Now how could any person believe that torture is going to get the truth because they’ll admit
to anything to please quite torturing me. Whatever they want them to admit to they’ll admit to it.
Alan: It’s understood by the ones who run things.
Jackie: According to this poll there were actually people who said yes.
Alan: Of course there will be. Torture, they know themselves that they have far more sophisticated methods of
extracting truth from people and painless methods too. The whole thing about torture is to terrify the public.
Jackie: They can just give them a shot, can’t they?
Alan: They can give them a shot. They have equipment today I am sure that–
Jackie: Isn’t sodium pentothal supposed to be the – that’s old.
Alan: It doesn’t really. It’s called abreaction therapy and you can certainly take a person back into certain states with a
form of hypnosis and a good life history of the individual but it doesn’t necessarily guarantee truth.
Jackie: I’ll bet they have a truth serum today.
Alan: See, everything that was known in the Spanish Inquisition and the European Inquisition of the Catholic Church
about torture, everything that was known then is known today that, yes, people will say anything in order to have that
pain relief.
Jackie: It was like the Nuremberg trials. They tortured them and when they hung them they had a shorter rope so the
people would take a long time to die. It was a terrible, terrible thing that happened during those Nuremberg trials. Okay,
we’ve got about 10 minutes left here. Can we do Sumer?
Alan: Yes, getting back to Sumer, there’s a book, which I don’t have actually, it was a library book, but it was called,
“Life Begins at Sumer” and it’s an easy read. I can’t remember the author’s name but he was quoting from tablets that
were unearthed there written by scribes and every priestcraft was a specialist lawyer, so you had a priesthood that dealt
solely with real estate and with the writing up of the dividing up of property and so on. You had a priesthood for every
function at the top of every function.
Jackie: In Sumer? That would be the lawyers today.
Alan: This one young priest wrote and said “I look from the east. I look to the west. He says I cannot see the sky for
government buildings.”
Jackie: In Sumer.
Alan: 5,000 BC. He said they tax everything. He said they tax the fish we bring in. They tax the goods we bring in.
They tax us for living. He said when we bury our relatives they come to the graveside and of course they left offerings
of food and that on the grave. He said they come and take the food for death taxes and I thought well nothing’s changed.
Jackie: Nothings changed. “Life Begins at Sumer?” I’m going to check and see if that’s available.
Alan: It’s an easy read and it’s a good book and they even show you the students who were being trained. They were
picking young boys and training them from the age of five to be scribes and they have unearthed some of the schools
and there are thousands of practice clay tablets they found where they were doing advanced trigonometry and geometry
just as well as we do it today.
Jackie: I have a newspaper article or maybe it’s from the government itself. I think it is the U.S. government. They have
special schools for gifted children and they bring them to Washington, D.C. and you can see that what they’re doing is
they’re grooming them and probably intensive brainwashing, intensive brainwashing.
There’s something in the book here I must ask you about because remember when you talked about for example even
the royal Khazars, red heads, and they’ve unearthed and you said that the Egyptian pharaohs they wore those big
headdresses and stuff.
Alan: They wore wigs.
Jackie: Because to cover up their hair and in here, this would be on page 31, you’ve to this thing it’s called – you’d have
to pronounce it for me. Tenochtitlan. Is that it? It’s a human sacrifice. It’s a drawing, a depiction.
“A priest slashes open a captive’s chest to tear out his living heart and they actually have drawn this. Every night, the
Aztec god Huitzilopochtli was believed to do battle against the power of darkness. To give him strength, and to ensure
that the sun would be reborn every morning, the priests offered mankind’s most precious gift–human hearts and blood.
This scene is from the Codex Magliabechiano (16th century AD). Then you had written below it:
“Many people know of the bloody sacrifices to the Aztecs and their predecessors. It cannot be stressed enough that sunpriests
had a long history of similar cultural mind control techniques across the ancient world. Much has been over
thousands of years to ‘clean’ the historical records. We know the Egyptians used to sacrifice red-haired captives to the
sun on certain high holy days.”
Okay, well that confused me because it seemed that the red-headed ones were put up in those high positions.
Alan: Yes, but don’t forget too that even the Phoenician nobility used to sacrifice their own first-born, so this would
probably be some of the special first-born and that’s the highest sacrifice you could give.
Jackie: Of course, like GW. I believe he was sacrificed when he was born. I mean the guy he’s so pathetically stupid
that you could almost feel compassion for him and that you know that he was born and bred to be where he is today to
be the idiot puppet of the U.S. government.
Alan: They did sacrifice the red-haired men in Egypt and later of course they changed it to the red heifer. The red heifer
was adopted by Judaism for a sacrifice, a perfect red heifer.
Jackie: It’s a holy thing. Oh, do you know what? A friend of mine sent me a photograph, her son is a dairy farmer and
she sent me a photograph of a red heifer that was born to one of his cows; and I meant to and I didn’t write back to her
and say what is the relevance of this. Is that what she is getting at? That it’s something holy?
Alan: Yes. In fact, they are apparently breeding stock to try to get back to the perfect red heifer so they could
recommence the sacrifices on the so-called holy mount.
Jackie: Oh my God. Then, so when somebody gets a red heifer, they celebrate that this is a wonder thing?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Oh, Alan.
Alan: The whole thing is barbaric, but again, as I say, it’s a form of brainwashing, especially children who have to
watch that, because it also hardens them and steels them to suffering for even for animals.
Jackie: They’ve done that with the movies and I’ve seen that young people can watch the most grotesque. I remember
one time a movie was on and I happened to walk in the room and some guy was laying in a hospital and he was all
bandaged up except one eye and they opened that eye and I saw that they were going to shove an ice pick in it and I just
cringed and walked away but they were actually sitting watching it. It was when I was visiting in St. Louis and that’s the
kind of stuff our children watch, so Alan, they’ve already been–
Alan: Desensitized.
Jackie: Oh absolutely, absolutely.
Alan: It’s all planned that way because this sort of period we’re going through has been done so many times in the past
that they know exactly what type of generation they need to implement these kind of things, so they create that
generation. That’s why they could write into Revelations and so on that children would be against parents and parents
against children and all that, man against wife.
Jackie: I’m not to the back of the book but that’s where you’re addressing Revelations. Okay, would you like to come on
with us again tomorrow night?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: And maybe I’ll be there by then and if I’m not you can just – we can talk about it but Revelations is so mightily
important to people because it’s like oh look at this. It’s written in the book.
Alan: By God.
Jackie: And by God, yes, and it’s going to happen, it’s God’s plan, and then we say oh God is love.
Alan: Just a bit hard to figure out sometimes.
Jackie: Well it is. It’s quite insane. We’re out of our hour. Thanks for being with us tonight, Alan.
Alan: It’s been a pleasure.
Jackie: Then we’ll see you tomorrow night?
Alan: Yes.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
June 28, 2005
Jackie: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight here on Sweet Liberty. It is Tuesday and
it is the 28th of June in the year 2005 and Alan Watt is back with us again tonight and I was doing last minute
preparations. Alan, are you there with us?
Alan: I am.
Jackie: Folks, we’re going to be talking about Alan’s book, “Cutting Through” tonight. We’re going to be talking about
“Cutting Through” and we’re going to zero in on Revelations and so Alan would you give them your address, your
contact information.
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: Okay, thank you.
Alan: There’s actually three books, 1, 2 and 3, and the last one goes into some of the history of priesthoods and the
bankers because they do go hand-in-hand all down through the thousands of years that we know of. I try and give you
the documentation – the scanty documentation that is available and I have found enough to put in a book and show you
this correlation between religion and money. If anyone wants 1, 2 or 3, “Cutting Through,” [see www..com for ordering
information.]. You will enjoy this because I don’t think the correlations have been put so precisely before.
All knowledge as I say is scattered deliberately, so I think, because I don’t see why the authorized historians who have
access to archives, as opposed to public libraries, why wouldn’t they give us this correlation between money, the system
of money, the money which creates standing armies which then go and conquer other countries to force the same money
system on them with the debt and all the rest of it and the priesthoods, who basically their purpose is to control the
minds of the people so that they’ll go along with it. It’s still going on today as we force Moslem countries to accept this
term called “democracy”, a term, by the way, which changes definition every 25 years because the democracy of today
is different from that 50 years ago and it’s different from the one they had in Britain in the 1800’s. At that time only the
nobility could vote. People without property had no say in anything.
Jackie: And that was the truth even in the young America.
Alan: That’s right. It was only landowners and even then they specified a certain acreage before you could vote.
Jackie: Yes, exactly under the Constitution. You had to be a landowner.
Alan: That wonderful document written by lawyers that you could drive buses through. Everything is a scam and of
course even prior to the revolution there were international meetings in Europe where the bankers and the top front men
for the bankers got together and they needed a shining knight in armor that would lead the world into their system
believing it was for the people. They couldn’t use England because London had pillaged half the world and stole and
robbed and so on, and they couldn’t use France because they did the same thing. Therefore they decided to create a
brand new one and people fell for it of course. There’s more mythology involved in the founding than reality, but that
was their Novus Ordo Seclorum, their New World Order. That’s the motto and the U.S. is actually doing what it was
created to do, which was to bring this in.
Jackie: Well yes and think about it. They referred to America as the New World, and I thought about that.
Alan: Every symbol of the U.S. federal government including the Great Seal, both sides, is ancient, ancient Egyptian.
Even prior to Egyptian the same symbols were used in Sumer so this is an ancient brotherhood stretching back many,
many thousands of years using their symbols openly in front of the people who generally never inquire as to what they
actually mean. It’s the oddest thing even to see Washington’s Monument built like an Egyptian obelisk dedicated to a
god. That’s why they raised the obelisk. A human being had achieved godhood. That’s what apotheosis means and here
they erect one in Washington and the average American doesn’t ask the question, “why would they put an Egyptian
obelisk for Washington in this so-called, so-called Christian country?” The signs are right in front of us.
Jackie: I had a call from a very nice man today and he said how much he enjoyed our broadcast but he said I just don’t
understand why the program before yours and after yours always comes in so good. I hear this from so many people,
Alan, that he has to listen so closely to be able to hear it, but he said that he knew that the Bible was true and we talked
and I mentioned the King James Version and that Francis Bacon was one of the editors. Who was Francis Bacon? He
certainly was an insider but people get the idea and I don’t know why because I’ve said it a jillion times. I know that
there’s truth in that book. They have to give us truth but there’s so much – it’s all mingled up with the lies and the
contradictions and that is the one thing that it doesn’t cease to confuse me I guess is that people can believe that the
infallible word of God is contradictory; and it is contradictory. There are so many contradictions.
Alan: That is the technique of mind control; it’s to give the person the ability to hold two opposing opinions on the same
subject in their head at the same time.
Jackie: And both of them being true?
Alan: That’s right. They’ll fight to the death to defend either contradiction.
Jackie: As I told you just before we went on the air, I really wanted to read the book last night and get into where you
were talking about Revelations and after about five minutes I crashed, working out in that hot sun and the good exercise,
it really helps you sleep but you said you haven’t read it yourself.
Alan: I read it; I mean I wrote it and I never recheck anything once I’ve written it so there’ll be a few typo errors. I didn’t
use a computer and I watched my fingers rather than what I was writing, so excuse any typo errors that you come
across.
Jackie: You want me to make a note of it if I find them as I’m reading?
Alan: Sure. I can’t be bothered.
Jackie: Well, Revelations, can you give us some of what you wrote? You said you don’t have a copy there?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Now Alan, how are you going to make copies for your new people?
Alan: I’ve got a master copy.
Jackie: Oh, but you don’t want to mess with the master copy?
Alan: You get one wrinkle on that and you can’t get it through the machine.
Jackie: Maybe we’ll have to do it another time though because I haven’t read it so there aren’t places that I can refer to.
Some of the symbology that you gave in the book can you recall with Revelations?
Alan: It’s all astral theology, the ancient, ancient priesthoods and we don’t know how far back they stretch but we know
it’s way before Sumer, 5,000 BC they already had all of the major planets charted. They had the stars, the constellations
and so on named, and many of the stars charted. They knew when certain stars would rise and what time in fact. It was
so exact they knew what time it would rise for the first time in a set period and they basically wrote their plan into the
constellations rising and setting, which constellations of the zodiac follow which ones, and they used that terminology
even to do with – it’s like animals chasing each other in a constant circle. They wrote elaborate stories for each part of
the story for the zodiac and of course when people are trained to believe these are actual people that lived on earth it’s
very difficult to get that out so that they can see what it really is, especially if they’ve been trained from a very, very
young age to believe that these are very real people.
In the book I use an old chart, an astrology chart in fact. That’s how they couched that back in the 1500’s. They were
studying astronomy but they used astrology as an exoteric cover and in that particular zodiac you’ll even see – have you
got it in front of you?
Jackie: Yes, I’ve got the book. Where would I go?
Alan: Go to that zodiacal chart that’s there. If you flick through it, the whole page is the zodiac. It’s all symbols and
animals.
Jackie: Oh yes, I’ve already gone by that. It’s up towards the front more?
Alan: I think so. Every religion that’s ever been and the stories concerning the individuals–
Jackie: Oh yes, this is this whole page?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And then you’ve got the names, Baal, Saudi, God all Mighty. Now who are all these people?
Alan: These are all the same people. It’s all titles to the sun. It’s titles to the sun at different periods of the year.
Jackie: Baal means lord?
Alan: Lord and it can also mean sun because it all revolves around the sun. The sun being born in the morning, prior to
that, you get the coming of the sun. The color is purple. That’s before dawn and like the song goes, “in the deep purple
dawn.” That’s the royal color. That’s why royalty is then set above the people. This is a system. The zodiac is a system
of the system that we live in.
Jackie: Are you saying system?
Alan: Yes, system. Before that you get the royalty, the dawn. The Greeks called it Aurora and Aurora was the goddess
of the dawn. She was dressed in purple as well and purple is the royal color for British royalty and royalty all over the
world because they come in a sense before the system. They are pre-existent. Their system is pre-existent before the sun
rises. That’s what it means and then of course as the sun goes through its phases during the day they give it a different
title. He’s a young lion in the morning and of course he’s a full-grown lion at midday and that’s really one of the titles of
Ra, Almighty Ra, such power and fire, so he’s a full-grown adult male basically generally pictured as a lion. Then of
course towards sundown he’s an older lion who sheds his blood for the world, which is of course the sunset, the sky
turns red, so every day the god of the world gives his life for the world. It’s that simple.
Jackie: And who is the god of the world?
Alan: Well, you can take your pick. I mean there’s many names for the same thing in different cultures and Lucifer of
course is the light bringer and many of the esoteric sects that coexist inside the Christian sects and always have done in
their own private rituals will have Lucifer as their god, meaning the light-bearer. Whereas the average Christian who’s
taken everything at face value, they’re in the dark. They’re still in the dark. They haven’t seen the light, you see. That’s
what that means, so as we’re being good little Christians we’re also being mocked by the people who run Christianity
and that’s why all of the Pied Piper leaders you get, the TV evangelists, the superstars you might say, multimillionaires,
have their own private meetings with Freemasonry. Billy Graham is a 33rd degree Mason and I’m sure all the rest of
them are too and they have their own private esoteric meaning for everything.
Jackie: I forgot to tell you I got a response. Remember that article about the Sanhedrin being reestablished, which you
said you don’t think it’s ever not been and that would probably be so, but they’re bringing it out in the open now. One of
the courts that they’re going to be establishing, the first one in Israel, are the Noahide courts and that one will be
established in the U.S. and remember I sent that note to Billy Graham and asked he or his colleagues if there’s been any
opposition to this. Well, I got mail back from somebody who said Billy asked me to respond to you and he is very ill.
He’s evidentially on is way out but he just didn’t have time to answer me personally and he hasn’t done any research on
it so there’s nothing he had to say about it.
Alan: No, which is ridiculous because these guys have known about these laws for years and Billy’s been over to Israel
who knows how many times and his job of course is to bring Christianity together with this religion based in Israel
which will be the world court as well.
Jackie: The world court?
Alan: Yes. All these boys they lie because that’s their job.
Jackie: Well you know Alan from doing chapter 16 and 17 of the book and rereading the I think it’s “The Cause of
World Unrest” and all of the rituals that this guy brought out actually from Albert Pike’s book, no wonder they’re all so
in love with Israel. I mean all of these – whatever, the 30th degree, the Knight Kadosh or whatever and their – well,
even before then into their initiations, what are you building? We’re building temples, physical temples and temples in
men’s minds. Which way do you travel? From Babylon to Israel; and they asked them in one of them: Are you ready to
be governors of Israel? Now that of course has got to be some kind of code. What the heck does that mean, Alan, are
you ready to be governors of Israel?
Alan: Israel again is Isis Ra-El. It’s the bisexual deity in the male/female hermaphroditic god and of course behind all
religions it’s the same deity because their creator as they say is both male and female, meaning perfection, and of course
if you go into that of India, they’re far more explicit in connecting the two together. That’s why Shiva and so on have
attributes of both male and female and they show it openly in their statues and so on. There’s a religion behind the
exoteric religion. It’s always been there and I think it was even Clements that said that when the mass is gone – and
that’s what he means by that. That’s why you have a mass for the people. They’re the masses. When the mass is gone, he
said, we have our own secret meeting or secret rituals which the profane cannot see; so this has always been here from
its very inception. As I say, too, Constantine himself just a week prior to the counsel that he supposedly was responsible
for he deified himself as a god in the cult of Mithra. He built a temple so that the people – and this is traditional in the
Roman theology – he built a temple so that people could go and worship him, a statue of him, even while he was still
alive. He was worshipped as a god and that was traditional in ancient Greece and in Rome, so the secret religion of
course is that they all attain godhood.
Jackie: Did the people differentiate between “gods” and creator?
Alan: Well, not really. In the Christian religion, even though the Old Testament is so wishy-washy because you have
Elohim in the beginning and then you have this latecomer called Jehovah. I could also pronounce all the crazy other
names or terms they use for it.
Jackie: Yawvey and Yahaweh.
Alan: Oh yes.
Jackie: Did you hear a click on your phone?
Alan: I did, yes.
Jackie: I want you to know that your voice – the volume is up. It’s almost like you’re being suppressed or something.
Alan: It’s very possible because a lot of technology out there is so advanced that doing that is quite simple. Yes, you do
have this Elohim and of course the secret behind the Elohim which is everybody is confused about and many guys have
written books and made lots of money on them, but the real secret is the Elohim is ‘we,’ meaning the deity who’s both
male and female. That’s what it really refers to.
Jackie: Is that why it says, “let us make man in our image?”
Alan: That’s right and therefore Adam had the attributes of the deity. He was both male and female and then the female
part was separated from him. That’s the symbology.
Jackie: Did they do that through surgery do you think or I mean was the whole thing–
Alan: No, no. It’s all esoteric nonsense.
Jackie: Okay, but I mean is there any truth behind that back then that man was both male and female and that the story
about Adam as being used as a representation of that?
Alan: No, there’s none at all. They definitely had homosexual sects who were priests themselves. I mean that’s fairly
traditional all down through thousands of years. You would have – I mean what young guy is going to cut off his
manhood literally and join the cult of Isis? Which young guy is going to do that voluntarily and then go and spend the
rest of his days with men? You always had a homosexual element who dressed as women and that’s why even today the
robes are still the female robes you know, so when a priest stands there he’s representing male and female in one. In
other words, he’s reflecting their secret deity.
Jackie: They probably don’t wear anything under their robes either.
Alan: I don’t know. I don’t know but this is the same in every religion.
Jackie: You mentioned one time the dog priests. Those were the priests that were the ones that were used by the priests?
Alan: Yes and they had temple prostitutes and they had them in Israel too because they’ve uncovered some parts of the
old temple where they had an entrance which went into the house of prostitutes, the female ones, and then there’s a little
stela on the wall, a picture of the male ones on the left hand side of the entrance, so they had both and so did Israel.
They were no different.
Jackie: When you said Israel, it wasn’t Israel back then?
Alan: After the so-called Babylonian captivity there was an Israel for a short time, although the Romans called that
whole area Edomia on their maps, but you can still check today. They have historical maps but they did have temple
prostitutes the same as every other mystic religion across that part of the world and of course the generative power of
the sexual act was the closest they claim they came to emulating the creator. It was a creative function and many of
them in the higher sects claim that to have sex with the male was still closer to the deity than having sex with the
female, so the deviant part of it has been there for thousands and thousands of years.
What they did and this is standard philosophy and history, what they did from the most ancient times to set up this
particular system was to create a god and a god’s wife in the heavens, so in Egypt it was Osiris and wife Isis. Then
they’d have a representative on earth who also emulated that, so you had a human being who would be the god on earth.
That was the pharaoh and his wife, so they wrote it into the heavens and then reenacted it on earth.
In fact, the three pyramids themselves are nothing more than the belt of the Constellation Orion.
Jackie: We have to take our break. On the other side of this I want to remember to tell our listeners, you and I talked
about this recently about John Coleman and his books… Somebody must have come down on John Coleman;and folks,
for anybody to think that somebody is an ex- or former CIA or MI6 or whatever, it’s folly because once you are, you are.
Don’t you agree with that Alan?
Alan: They say that themselves.
Jackie: You get people on radio broadcasts you know guests, former CIA, a former Illuminati. Really? And people fall
for it because they say so and that’s when our logic has to enter in. It’s like people who listen to the broadcasts of people
who are syndicated on a lot of different radio stations. Well, George Noory, what’s his name, Art Bell, they actually take
these people seriously and there are others who are purportedly in the patriot community or whatever you want to call it,
alternative radio, and when they’re on 18 and 20 and 30 hours a week and syndicated – there’s one particular one. I can’t
mention the name but he’s been on C-Span. He’s been on I think if I’m not mistaken Fox News but the mainstream
mentions him. Now when you get a mention by mainstream you have to know that it’s one of theirs.
Alan: You don’t get an interview unless you are playing a role which they know about, and Albert Pike, and I can’t
stress it enough, he said that “we supply the leaders to the people. When they need a leader we supply them,” and they
always make sure it’s a superstar that seems to have more info than anyone else and they steamroll ahead and before you
know it they become almost a deity themselves.
Jackie: Yes, and they have lots of infomercials too.
Alan: These people are definitely backed. For instance, in about March or April there was a Rabbinical protest in New
York; 6,000 people, many of them Rabbis, were protesting the illegality of the present Israel. They claimed that it’s
supposed to be Messiah-led to create a new Israel and it hasn’t happened, this was done by man, and so 6,000 and all
walked across the Brooklyn Bridge, brought everything to a standstill and yet not one paper mentioned that fact.
Jackie: That’s all well and good but it’s sort of like a Ross Perot when he was allegedly fighting the NAFTA. He wasn’t
fighting the NAFTA. He wasn’t opposing it. In fact his slogan was “not this NAFTA.”
Alan: What I’m saying, though, is not one paper or media mentioned that fact at all, which tells you if the media doesn’t
want to hear what you’ve got to say that you won’t get a mention and so when you are doing a supposed patriot show –
which is a joke anyway, the whole thing, the patriot. I’m sorry to say it but it’s true. These guys gave you a system and
made them believe it was yours and that’s where the patriotism comes from. Now they’re simply adjusting their system
into the updated version and because people don’t like change they’re getting angry about it, so they put the Pied Pipers
out there to lead you, which will be up the garden path as always, and nothing will be done except keeping you pacified
or letting you blow off steam as we go through all the changes.
Jackie: Yes and my thoughts about these 6,000 people, rabbis, et cetera. Well, okay, not this Israel because it isn’t
messiah-lead. They believe that their messiah is going to come in with the damn sword and eliminate all their enemies
and they still are adherent to the Talmudic–
Alan: Well, that’s the craziness of all religion you see. I don’t put them in a different bracket from anybody else. I know
that the rabbis know more about the esoteric, but the followers don’t, because the rabbis study the Talmud and they get
to know what the inner meanings are.
Jackie: Well, they’re lied to. There’s this rabbi from Neutra Karta I think it is. I heard him on John Stadtmiller’s
broadcast several years ago and he was saying they’re anti-Zionist and he said our god has demanded, commanded us to
be good neighbors wherever we live. That’s an outright lie because they are commanded to root out, pull down and
destroy every nation where they live as though they were captives whether their host nation welcomes them with open
arms or not.
Alan: That’s where the Noahide laws come in because it’s their duty to actually try and get these laws enforced into all
gentile nations wherever they travel. That’s a commandment really and of course–
Jackie: That’s what I was saying but I was getting emails saying – in fact I did tune in. I got a call and somebody said
oh you should hear this guy. He’s really great. No, he wasn’t, Alan. It was just fuzzy warm, we’re good neighbors and we
love America and we’re anti-Zionists. That’s BS. They might be “anti-Zionist” but they’re still under the Talmudic law.
Alan: As far as I’m concerned, there’s no single religion out there that should have predominance over any other one or
people.
Jackie: There’s no religion out there that should even be.
Alan: They’ve all been created from the same source a long time ago and that’s the triangle. That’s one of the meanings
of the triangle and a trinity because they love trinities, you see, and the Mystery Religion had trinities for thousands of
years before Jesus and one of the trinities of course is Judaism, Christianity and Mohammedism. That’s your three main
religions.
Jackie: On the internet you see all kinds of stuff about the evils of the Muslim religion et cetera and the people who are
doing this don’t even realize it that Christianity and Talmudism has been combined. It’s all one.
Alan: Legality always wins over and that was why they combined the Old Testament with the New. See, the more you
condition people into a culture, and it’s culture shaping you see, that’s why you give them a specific religion that
generally is promoted by the royalty or whoever is at the top. It’s designed to have a function, a purpose and to take the
people to a certain destination, a “fulfillment” if you like, of a plan and millions of people go along with it all because
they’re simply trained to do that from a very early age.
Jackie: What I became aware of is that Christianity and Talmudism are not opposites. They’re parallel and the people
are on a parallel path, the Christians and the Jews, and that path isn’t going to cross. It’s going to merge.
Alan: Eventually so will the updated the Muslim world, once the job is finished in the Middle East, they’ll merge too.
Jackie: Well, that’s the intention.
Alan: The trinity always merges, that’s why you have three in one.
Jackie: You look at the Christians waiting for Jesus. He’s coming back and he’s going to have his kingdom. The seat of
his kingdom is going to be in Israel and then of course you’ve got the Jews on the same parallel path. They’re waiting for
their messiah who has not come yet and he’s going to be the one that’s going to rule the world. One of the things that you
read in their websites on the Noahide laws et cetera, one of the things they’re telling the Jews, one of the most frequently
asked questions, why hasn’t our messiah come? They said because the world is not ready for him yet and the world will
not be ready for him until the Christians have become Hassidic Gentiles and that would be under the Noahide laws and
so it’s their duty, their mandate to proselytize and bring people in convincing them that this is the true “religion.” Of
course, then you have so-called Christian pastors and some of them on the air 20 and 30 hours a week actually getting
their followers to observe the Talmudic holidays.
Alan: Well, sheep go into the pasture and that’s what a pastor means. He’s looking after sheep and you can’t do anything
about it because sheep follow. That’s all they do is follow and they will go willingly into whatever the guys at the top
decide for them and it’s unfortunate but that’s the truth. That’s why they call the man the pastor.
Jackie: There are some people waking up. I know that from phone calls that I get from people and you have said that
you’ve had some really great phone calls from people who suddenly just – it suddenly hits them. I thought about this last
night that I’m not sitting here “bible bashing, Christian bashing,” which evidentially to some people it sounds like what
I’m doing, and Alan, I wouldn’t even be talking about this because it is so sensitive for people who are really steeped in
it. Now I was raised up in the Lutheran Church. I mean it wasn’t like I didn’t have religion but I knew that there was
stuff that we weren’t being told. It just wasn’t making sense to me. But the only reason that I do this is because I see that
it is the engine that is driving this plan for world dominion and it’s so important and I would not intentionally offend or
hurt somebody’s feelings or tick people off just to do it. It would be nice if we didn’t have to talk about this.
Alan: When you have people going along with it and they become part of your problem or my problem because they’re
giving their power to this system and whether we agree with it or not we’re supposed to go along with it or else; and I
don’t like that either. We all have a right to say what we know and what we think and if it hurts their feelings, then that’s
just too bad. If they’re so brainwashed into this double-speak religion, a god of vengeance and a god who loves you,
well that is their problem.
Jackie: A god of vengeance, a god who loves you, “I’ll curse you if you don’t follow every one of my bloody statutes
and I’ll bless you if you do.”
Alan: “I’ll make rich ones to lord over you and I can make rich whoever I want to. I’ll have my favorites if I want them
and I admire guys who can steal titles and property from others,” because that’s the whole story that they give you where
Jacob gets the blessing that was supposed to be put on his brother. He cheated his old dad out of it trying to pretend he
was the brother.
Jackie: I thought was a really pathetic story when you read about it.
Alan: It’s a good story for that type of conniving and cunning.
Jackie: That a father would reject the gift of one son and accept the gift of the other.
Alan: Yes, a half-blind old man.
Jackie: Yes and not only that, but the one son, wasn’t he offering the fruits of his labors from the land?
Alan: That’s right. What it symbolizes is the man of nature. It’s not real people, you see. What it also symbolizes is the
one who has cunning and uses his intelligence but not his muscles to work and therefore it’s his right to take advantage
of the schmucks. That’s the lesson there. That’s what the lesson is.
Jackie: People who believe that story, then in their minds they would want to be like the son who was blessed, the liar,
the one that’s cunning.
Alan: The deceiver, and if God says that’s okay then that’s okay with them. Then they cannot complain when the
government comes and steals whatever they have.
Jackie: It’s like the story about Abraham and Sarah and they waited a hundred years to have a son but meantime–
Alan: She wasn’t quite sure she wanted one.
Jackie: Meantime, Hagar her handmaiden, she sent him in to Abraham to have a son and then when what was his name,
Isaac, their son was born, she got jealous. She wanted what’s his name out of the way. What was his name? Born to
Hagar.
Alan: Yes, I know who you mean.
Jackie: Okay, you know who I mean. Well, you read that in the Old Testament and the Lord said to Abraham – this is
my of course paraphrasing, but it’s like okay it was fine that he impregnated this woman and had a child by her, but then
when Isaac was born Sarah didn’t want them around and so the Lord said to Abraham get him out of here, put her on an
ass and put him on an ass and send them away. Don’t upset Sarah. Alan, when you read that, that is so pathetically sick
to believe that “Creator or God” would be that lacking in compassion.
Alan: However, the ones who belong to this Mystery Religion and who believe that they are gods would do these things
because they have no compassion for anyone outside their system.
Jackie: But there are people who claim to be Christians who take a lot of stock in those Old Testament stories. In fact, it
seems to me that Christians are more in love with the Old Testament than they are with the little 10 percent of the Bible,
the gospels, which I know that isn’t all there anyway; but to read that and believe it, that is very sad to me because your
heart tells you – I mean your heart knows or our inner knowing that that isn’t our Creator. We wouldn’t do that to
somebody.
Alan: No, but a mafia boss would.
Jackie: Yes and they say well God can do anything he wants and that’s how they slough it off.
Alan: I don’t waste my time with these people because you see when indoctrination takes it’s like an inoculation. They
have that term “the inoculation has taken,” meaning it’s supposed to work. It’s the same with indoctrination. The ones
who have come from even abusive families and it doesn’t have to be physical abuse, abuse of the mind is generally the
first thing that happens, they grow up almost being obsessional with rules, regulations and laws.
Jackie: And abuse of laws.
Alan: Yes and so they gravitate right into that whole thing because the god that’s presented in the Old Testament is a
very human, almost an alcoholic personality, “Come here, go away. I want to cuddle you or I might just turn around and
smack you.” See that’s the ambivalence of this deity because it was basically an oriental king that they molded the whole
thing on, a despot basically, so it’s nothing to do with a creator at all. It’s a man-made religion and within that man-made
religion is an esoteric religion which is taught everywhere to select groups.
Jackie: When I realized how important it is to have these conversations and it was a long time ago, Alan, because I
remember it had to have been around in ’98 because I was doing the broadcast at 6 p.m. I remember one of our listeners
who called in and he said, I love listening to you and you’re so inspiring and et cetera, but, he said, Jackie, don’t you
understand this is God’s plan, it’s in the book; and I gulped. I gulped and thought oh my goodness and when I got off the
air that evening I said, Chuck, we have met the enemy and he is us and I think one of the most dangerous books in this
world is the Holy Bible.
Alan: That’s why it’s on every Masonic temple. They have it on the altar, that Black Book, the book is the law is black
you see. That’s what it means. Saturn is always dressed in black. That’s why you have black-robed priests and rabbis and
so on, and so their book is black because that’s the Saturnalian law.
Jackie: Well, for any of our listeners who are listening, I just want you to know that these conversations would not be
being had if it wasn’t very clear in my mind that it is the engine that is driving that will, if enough people don’t wake up
to the lies, it will help to implement their plan for world dominion.
Alan: The purpose of all psychological warfare is to disarm the enemies mind prior to anything occurring, and, of
course, when you say, “it’s written in the Bible. It’s God’s plan” —
Jackie: It’s the infallible word of God and the Bible seems to be worshipped.
Alan: It is, especially the King James Version.
Jackie: Yes, that’s the one.
Alan: They think that’s the one that Jesus used.
Jackie: That’s the one and only. We’re out of our hour. Alan, thanks for being here. Would you stay on the line when
we go off?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back with you tomorrow night and thank you for being here with us tonight and
I pray that your minds and your ears and your eyes are opened and that you will consider the conversations and maybe if
you get Alan’s books, that might help a lot when you see the ancient records that he has in the books. It’s all there.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
June 29, 2005
Alan: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is actually Alan here. I’ll be on for a few minutes while
Jackie has to attend to a few vital things and I think tonight we’ll be talking about some of the meanings
behind Revelations. This is contained in the third book I put out there which deals with a lot of the history of
banking and religion, which have always gone hand in hand in every age. I go through the meanings of
Revelations and explain it as it really is, which is basically astro-theology as they call it, which again is simply
the study of the stars, the times of the risings and settings of major stars and the planets of course. You’ll
find the zodiac is very important in all of this because it’s the Heavenly Plan and that’s the term they use,
which is also the term that George Bush, Sr. used discussing everything going the way of the Divine Plan or
the Heavenly Plan. That’s when he gave his first New World Order speech and you’ll find it’s more of a
timetable written in the sky and it was written many, many thousands of years ago and possibly even
millions of years ago because the further we dig into history, we find that humanity—as we are today, that
is, not ape men—but humanity definitely existed much, much further back than the Darwinists have told us.
In fact, Darwin I think was pulled out of the hat to try and cover up the fact that knowledge is not being
discovered. Knowledge is being rediscovered and science is being rediscovered and very possibly it’s being
reused and it’s coming from archives. That’s why research is called RE-SEARCH. Why isn’t it simply called
search?
There’s very little today that we know of which wasn’t discussed many, many thousands of years ago,
especially by the Greek philosophers. We find we have the Atomist School, as they called it, where they
knew that nothing was really solid and the tiny particles of matter revolve around each other. We’re
expected to believe that they simply came to these conclusions by their vast intellectual superiority – a
bunch of nobility with nothing else to do but sit and think about things. Well, I don’t care how long you
would think about something, if you don’t have access to high-tech civilizations with high-tech equipment,
you could never come to that conclusion in a million years. This knowledge was known a long, long time ago
and if we jump from there to “The New Atlantis” by Francis Bacon who wrote the book in the late 1500’s and
it was published in 1602.
Jackie: Alan?
Alan: Hello.
Jackie: I’m here and I want you to just continue what you’re saying, okay? And thank you very much.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: You were talking about “The New Atlantis”?
Alan: Yes and “The New Atlantis” is the same thing.
Jackie: Published in?
Alan: 1602.
Jackie: Right. Go ahead now.
Alan: We find that he talks about a land to the west which would be risen up to be a world leader and of
course he’s talking about America. He said that it would have a form of government on the surface for the
people where they would think they had a say in matters but in reality there would be an invisible
government of an elite bunch of intellectuals and scientists who would make all the decisions. He called it
“Solomon’s Land,” meaning the Brotherhood. That’s what he really was referring to was the Masonic
Brotherhood or in his day Rosicrucianism. He said that they had laboratories under the ground and within
mountains where they did scientific testing on different things and that all of the laboratories were powered
by an energy which gave off the heat and light of the sun. Well, that’s what we have today with nuclear
energy.
He then went on to say that in some of the laboratories they could take the tiniest particles of matter, living
matter, animal or vegetable, mix them together and create new types of species and know exactly the types
they wanted at the end before they even started, which tells you they’ve done it before. He also talked about
a machine which could manipulate the weather. It could cause rainstorms or droughts. It could create
hurricanes or tornadoes and be guided to their target.
Now this book “The New Atlantis” was a common book in universities for the last couple of hundred years or
more and we’re expected to think that a man who lived in an age where the candle was the best form of
light they had–
Jackie: Yeah, 400 years ago?
Alan: Yes, and the horse and carriage were the best form of land transport. We’re expected to believe this
man dreamed all this stuff up by himself and wrote this tremendous book, which was also a prediction. As I
say, America is the New Atlantis and we know today that we are basically running towards a plan. We’re part
of a definite plan to “spread,” if you like, Solomon’s word across the world or make one system across the
world. That’s what it really means and the United States is leading the charge and up until now it’s been
financing most of it through the taxpayer.
Jackie: Did you say that there was not evidence that Solomon’s Temple was ever built?
Alan: That’s right. I mean even amongst the Rabbis there’s debates as to where it was, because if there
ever was one they think it was much further to the north and not on the present site where Herod’s Temple
was built. We know that Herod definitely built a temple.
Jackie: Or he started building one.
Alan: He built it and then the Romans destroyed it. It didn’t last terribly long.
Jackie: So it wasn’t Solomon’s Temple that was destroyed?
Alan: Probably not. The whole thing about the esoteric meaning of Solomon’s Temple, the temple is the
individual High Mason. It’s yourself in other words. You’re rebuilding yourself. That’s what Solomon’s Temple
really means and in the third book I go through this, what the real meanings are, as opposed to what we’ve
been taught to believe – which is mainly fictitious characters or else as I say solar and stellar theology
wrapped around stories concerning people. It’s very cleverly done because if you’re indoctrinated at such a
young age to believe these poor people were wandering through the desert and we have their names and all
this stuff, it doesn’t occur to us that these are all stories of the planets and stars and the sun going through
the zodiac.
Jackie: Even Revelations, from what I was reading and I did have to put it down, but that’s what I was
getting out of it as you were explaining, that for example the lion with the 10 horns and they depict him as
three different animals. You said that it’s the way that they have depicted the animals that are representing
the different zodiacal signs–
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: From one merging into the other, like spring into summer, those animals are, and that’s that lion;
and the 10 horns, what does that mean?
Alan: It’s the same thing. The old zodiac, the very, very old one only had 10 main symbols and so they
stuck to that even though they updated it and added another two.
Jackie: It was 10 crowns, wasn’t it?
Alan: In fact today they’re even thinking of updating it to 14 because there are two more main
constellations which have crept in there over the last few thousand years.
Jackie: Was does the word Sephiroth mean?
Alan: The Sephiroth, it means emanations. They talk about the 10 emanations from the deity and people
study this all their lives often and never really catch on to what they’re talking about. Everything that’s put
out there for people to follow is a maze of storytelling which captures the imagination and yet very few
people see through what it really means and find the original meanings; and when they do, they kind of kick
themselves because some people have spent an entire life studying this stuff, only to find out it’s so simple
really.
Jackie: How do you know what all this means, Alan?
Alan: How do I know?
Jackie: Yes.
Alan: I always knew. I could see through things from a very early age and I can remember even going to
Sunday school and hearing the stories and then it struck me because I also studied astronomy from a very
early age and before I went to school and so I thought my God that’s got an awful lot in common with – for
instance, if you chart the planet Venus over the course of a year with its risings, its settings and so on, you’ll
find it forms the six-pointed star.
Jackie: It actually does? It makes the shape in its movement? It makes the shape of a six-pointed star and
is that where that symbol came from then?
Alan: Yes. That’s why they chose that as one of their main – and they didn’t choose it really. It was there
long before there was any Hebrews.
Jackie: Oh yes, right. Just like the cross.
Alan: These are amazing timelines here. I mean even in the days of Sumer they had the same symbols and
in the days of Sumer they already had the stellar charts marked out so accurately that they could predict
major changes in eclipses 5,000 BC.
Jackie: Wasn’t there a particular planet maybe in – was it the Pleiades, that the astronomers could not see
even with their huge telescopes and yet they knew that there were seven when only six were visible?
Alan: Actually there was eight at one time because the ancient Greeks talked about one of them blinking
out. In other words, it went nova.
Jackie: And they knew that and yet modern day astronomers it took them a long time.
Alan: This is an amazing thing. When you go back into ancient Greece, they knew the world was round and
they wrote about it and yet after the Catholic Church was created, suddenly we’re flat again. We we’re a flat
earth for another few hundred years, so they go back and forth giving us our realities and it’s so easy to do
when you’re all powerful and you have mainly an illiterate population. The ancient Greeks had so much of
this charted, and they got it from the Egyptians who already had all that knowledge, but they knew the
world was round.
In fact, one of the ancient Egyptians calculated by using obelisks as sundials and watching the shadows and
measuring them and having lines of them across Egypt. He actually calculated the diameter of the earth
within one percent of accuracy.
Jackie: Who was that?
Alan: It was an ancient man, he had a Greek name but he lived in Egypt and that was about 2,500 BC.
Jackie: You had mentioned here in the book, this is on page 61, when you were first getting into
Revelations that the writers of Revelations borrowed heavily from the Zend-Avesta, the Jewish Codes, Philo
and the Gnostics. Who was Philo?
Alan: He was another historian philosopher that existed around that period. There’s nothing in the original
at all in the Old Testament. In fact, it was all borrowed, which tells me that the people who formulated it and
we’ve got to start at the beginning with the Old Testament. The Old Testament was first put together we are
told and the all rabbis agree about this either 300 BC and some say 100 BC but they all agree it was put
together in Egypt by priests living in Egypt and they didn’t write it in Hebrew or Aramaic. They wrote it in
Coptic Greek, so here we have a very high, probably illuminati of their day, who had the knowledge of Egypt
and Greece and who knows how many other cultures putting together the Old Testament, what’s known as
the Septuagint.
Putting that together in Egypt, writing it in Greek for supposedly an Aramaic-speaking people living in Israel.
You have this ludicrous situation but the rabbis all agree that’s was how it was done and nothing survives –
if there was any truth to any of it, nothing survives prior to that time. It was created in Egypt given to the
Jewish people and even in the times of Jesus they were still using that version in the synagogues. They
preferred that version and it wasn’t until about 100 AD that someone eventually tried to put together the
first Aramaic or Hebrew version for the people. Whoever put this together had knowledge of different
civilizations, different sciences of those civilizations and the histories of those civilizations and made up a
fictitious history.
Jackie: For example, Moses, it is said that the story of Moses is an exact duplicate of the story of Sargon the
Elder, even of being put in the rushes in the water and being found as an infant.
Alan: Even the floods, we know that Sumerians had the Epic of Gilgamesh and that was the first story form
of any kind of flood and the ones who survived it, so everything was borrowed from other previous
civilizations.
Jackie: When did you say that they first put the Old Testament in writing?
Alan: The date that they argue amongst themselves is around 300 BC or even as close as to within 100 BC.
We’ve got to understand that at that period the place that we call Israel today was a hodgepodge of
immigrants from civilizations that had moved out of their own countries because of warfare.
Jackie: Do you know why people believe it though? Because the gentleman that I talked to this week, he
mentioned at different times that Jesus allegedly had talked about Moses and the prophets et cetera, et
cetera and so that it had to be real.
Alan: Well, if that’s good enough for him, that’s fine. However, I think for many, many people it’s not good
enough.
Jackie: The way it appeared to me is that they put those words in his mouth so they could tie the old with
the new.
Alan: There’s no doubt they kept updating the New Testament too, and here you have a situation in the
New Testament where somebody came out, spoke against the Pharisees. Now the Pharisees were one small
sect in that area–
Jackie: But very powerful.
Alan: Very powerful but they were one – in fact they were the illuminati of their day. They were called
illuminati as well. They were a brotherhood, very secretive, who actually in the writings out there that many
Jews know of where the Pharisees themselves looked upon the common Jew no differently from anyone
else, they were the bottom of the heap. They were one small sect amongst many sects and of course they
appeared out of Babylon. That’s when they first came into being is from Babylon, so there’s speculation as to
was this Mystery Babylon simply moving out and moving elsewhere. That’s the key to Mystery Babylon.
Mystery Babylon is wherever they go with the money, with the system, the trading, the banking, the usury,
owning the sciences of every era because they own the money supply of every era and that’s basically it –
Mystery Babylon was a mystery because it was one place and many places at the same time.
Jackie: You said that the frequent reference to seven in Revelations is to the then known seven planets.
Alan: That’s right. In fact, those were the degrees of what today they would call Freemasonry. Those were
the seven degrees that the Greek nobility went through, the Egyptian nobility went through, and every other
Aramaic-speaking peoples went through. That was the standard international brotherhood of its time and
those were the seven degrees.
Jackie: And the Magi kept temples?
Alan: Yes and the same with Jacob’s seven steps on the ladder going up to God. That was the seven
degrees. That’s why it’s in every Masonic lodge, that picture. We’re talking about an inner brotherhood–
Jackie: And it’s all just about the planets and the situation of the planets and stuff?
Alan: That’s the basis of it all and of course it also refers to, as they say, “as above, so below,” so they
wrote a system of government where they could rule the world into the stars.
Jackie: I don’t understand that.
Alan: It’s in the book actually. The whole thing is in the book.
Jackie: Okay, so I haven’t gotten there.
Alan: I even put diagrams in there where you’ll see the upturned triangle resting on the apex of the other
triangle and I put the earth plane and the heaven plane, and so as it comes down, as the heavens come to
the earth plane, the sun becomes the sun king on earth and the helpers of the heavenly host end up as the
bureaucrats, lawyers and so on.
Jackie: And that’s what they mean by as above, so below?
Alan: That’s one of the main – that was the original meaning. The whole thing was a system of how a few
could dominate the majority.
Jackie: I’m only about three pages in to the section on Revelations and that’s what I wanted to get to but I
was afraid I would miss something if I went right back to Revelations and I can see – I mean I’ve made
some highlights but I can see. I could go back and read this again and each time I read it understand
something that I didn’t understand the first time I was reading it because that’s already happened. I read a
couple of pages over in the morning because I was reading it at night and I was sleepy so I picked up and
went right back and read those and I caught so much more.
Alan: Actually, I write things in a way which has the meanings contained within the meanings, so each time
you do read it you will see another layer. There’s a technique to that because the standard technique of
teaching and conditioning we’ve all gone through with standardized education doesn’t make your mind
participate in your downloading. You simply get downloaded and you repeat that download for examinations
and you forget it all.
Jackie: Exactly. That was just what I was thinking. It would be like reading this and being given a test and
as long as I answered the question according to what was written I would get an ‘A’ and I wouldn’t even
understand what I had read.
Alan: Yes, that’s right and that goes even for many professions. That’s exactly the technique. They don’t
have to understand. They just have to be able to parrot it back and then they forget it. Therefore when you
can write in a certain style towards the persons, you understand where they are in their head space because
of the conditioning, you can actually help deprogram that person as they actually work through the book.
Jackie: Wow. Then it would be a good recommendation that this book be read more than one time.
Alan: Definitely.
Jackie: Well, all of the three of them, but this particular one is the one I’m into now.
Alan: As I say, we’ve always been run in this planet at least since the beginning of money and priesthoods
that go hand in hand and usury, which is the system of keeping control over a people. You start to control
people by introducing your money and then your goods and then giving loans out. Once you have loans with
interest, then you own the people basically because generations are signed down to paying off the debt. This
system has been here for thousands upon thousands of years and people don’t realize that thousands of
years ago it was terribly sophisticated just as it is today. There really is nothing new under the sun as they
say. Even by the use of war, the bankers had all of the ancient countries fighting each other and then they
would bring in their system and give the funding to create standing armies once they had their puppet
master in control, their king or whoever they put there, and then they’d go in and invade another country
that was not using their system. Then they’d force that system upon them and bring in the same thing, so
this has been going on forever.
When we look at the Moslem countries today, the countries who don’t allow usury and often don’t have a
central bank, the U.S. is simply finishing off the job so that the whole world will be under the same system of
centralized banking, centralized government, all connected to an international global government.
Jackie: And Omar Khayyam wrote about it.
Alan: I put that in there, too, just to let people see that there are old writings about this.
Jackie: That was the 11th century. Do you remember that?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Well, say it to our listeners what you wrote that he wrote. What! Out of senseless nothing–
Alan: Yes, “to provoke a conscious Something to resent the yoke”…
Jackie: …”Of unpermitted pleasure, under pain of everlasting penalties, if broke! What! From his helpless
creature be repaid. Pure gold for what he lent us dross-allay’d – Sue for a debt we never did contract. And
cannot answer–oh the sorry trade!”
Alan: Yes, because once they had their gold in circulation they then withdrew it into the bank they set up
and gave cheap alloyed coinage out in lieu of it to represent it. Then they would lend you back, when you
went for a loan, they’d lend you this alloyed, he calls it dross. Dross is what’s left over from coal. It’s the
garbage.
Jackie: Alan, lets pick this up on the other side of this break. This is fascinating. Folks, we’ll be right back
right after this break. This is fascinating, Alan, and I noticed that underneath those two verses you took a
couple of paragraphs to explain what Omar Khayyam was writing about, and you want to go ahead and
finish explaining that?
Alan: What he was saying there was what they’d already been doing and was recorded – they’d done the
same thing around 1800 BC when they really started bringing in their gold in big time by trade into countries
and this is before they coined the money. They weighed it out and they brought the merchants with them so
they were all related, the bankers and the merchants with their ships and so it was easier for them when
they invented coinage around 800 BC because then they opened up banks where people could deposit their
gold and silver. There was more silver actually than gold in use at the time and they were told that they
would facsimiles in exchange for their gold from the bank. They would get either clay ones with the stamp
on it with a number of the currency – and they found thousands of jars that were sealed with wax because if
moisture got to them you lost all our money. They also gave out eventually the alloys, the cheap alloys of
copper mixed with other things, in lieu of the gold. In Sparta, for instance, when the king realized there was
a con game going on he demanded and he went with his guards to the bank that actually was set up from
the Middle East.
Jackie: This was in Persia?
Alan: Persian and Spartans as well, they both did the same thing and they went into the temple. See, the
temples were used as the banks. In fact, often the first funding of usury was to build a temple which
doubled as a bank and when the kings went in to find where the gold was, there was nothing there because
the bankers, once they had given out the facsimiles, the cheap alloys, had moved the gold somewhere else
for a loan to pull the same stunt on another country. This has been going on forever, this same game, and
when Omar Khayyam wrote about it, it was the same deal. They issued him a statement that he now has xamount
of money.
Jackie: It was a loan, a paper loan.
Alan: However, when he got his first bill in to him, he had to pay it back in real gold, so that was the con
game that was going on. Technically, they’d given them the cheap facsimiles of worthless coinage, which
was accepted at the time as long as people did accept it, but he had to pay the interest and the payments in
real gold to the bankers. This is quite a fascinating thing. Today it’s no different. The international bankers
simply write a check out to the treasuries which print up the money, but the countries that get permission to
print up the money have to pay back the bankers in real gold, silver or real goods, which is a sweetheart
deal. This has been going on for thousands and thousands of years and yet banking even today is a
mysterious body and we’re told that it’s just too complicated for us to understand.
Jackie: Well of course it is because they make it so complicated.
Alan: It’s really very simple. It’s a scam from the beginning.
Jackie: Yes and that is exactly – at least it appears from the little we get of the history of what Jesus was
exposing.
Alan: Yes, because it was no different than other countries. He went to the main temple there and the
bankers were doing their usury there, as they had all over the ancient world, because they always sat in the
porch of the churches all over the world and did their deals and exchanged money openly. Again, it was so
clever, because in every religion, it doesn’t matter what religion you belonged to, you could not give
donations within the church except in your own coinage. When you went in from another area or a different
country you had to exchange what you had for their coins and of course they would charge an awful lot
more on the transaction. It was international money trading that was going on and Jesus of course exposed
it in his day and was quite open about it. Then he came up against the Pharisees who were part of the
whole deal obviously and I think anybody would get crucified if you cut to the heart of the matter and he
certainly did, you know.
Now all the rest of it that was tacked on to control the people was fairly typical. They’d used heroes in past
times and killed them and then used those very people who spoke truth to then control the people’s minds,
like turn the other cheek. If you turn the other cheek, I know who’s going to win.
Jackie: Yes, right. But that’s what they say he said.
Alan: Here’s a guy who gets crucified, killed by the government of his day and yet later on in Paul’s writings
they have “obey your government because it’s put there by God.” A total contradiction of the life of the man
they supposedly followed. By those very words, that means that why are they complaining about Adolph
Hitler? He was an elected part of the government. Why did they complain about Napoleon or Lenin? In other
words, any government is put there by God so obey it, you see. No, these were all tacked in.
Jackie: You know what they used there, that saying that Jesus supposedly said and maybe did, “render unto
Caesar what is Caesar’s and render under to God what is God’s.”
Alan: Oh yes, they’ll use that.
Jackie: So that’s what they use to justify that you’re supposed to obey your government.
Alan: Yes, regardless of how tyrannical it is, but if Jesus would have obeyed his and kept quiet and did what
they said, don’t speak out anymore and ask for forgiveness, he would have been alive you see.
Jackie: Yes and don’t you love it that that Pharisee Paul was sainted by the church. They call him St.
Paul.They won’t the word Saul. I guess that’s too Jewish sounding.
Alan: It’s not really. Again, it’s esoteric because there’s more meanings to Saul. If you take the Latin
version, Sol is the sun.
Jackie: So what does the sun – when they always refer to the sun, El the sun, On the sun, the Hebrew, and
what was the ON?
Alan: ON is the phallic reproductive power of the sun. In other words, the life energy that it gives for
creation.
Jackie: What does that mean, his name the sun?
Alan: You’ll find that in all the mystery religions, including some present day Christian sects, that when you
are initiated into that sect you are given a new name.
Jackie: Okay, but what does the word SUN mean to them?
Alan: The mystery religion passes the power of the father who’s initiated into his own offspring the son, so
you have SUN and SON and they both mean the same thing. That’s why they both sound the same.
Jackie: What do they mean to them, Alan? The SUN, S-U-N and S-O-N?
Alan: It’s means that you are the son of an illuminati. Even in ancient Egypt – now we’re told about all the
languages and how they confuse things with changing languages. In ancient Egypt, a man was also called S
—and they have a little dot where the vowel would go—N, so it was SON. Sometimes they spell it in modern
times they call it SEN, so the SUN in the sky technically was called the sun. The same word as we use today
and his offspring was also a son, no different than a man’s offspring.
Jackie: So the Sun in the sky was the Son of God?
Alan: Yes, it’s all allegory. They didn’t believe it was really a god. It was allegory for a potent power. We
even use the same word for a male erection. It’s called – you know what it’s called – the hard–. That’s
where that comes from because that’s what they called also the obelisks in Egypt, that was the ON, the erect
phallus of the person on earth who had been deified as a god. He’d gone through the degrees and now he
deserved his own ON. And they put that into the English language. Of course, most people will think well
that’s coincidence.
Jackie: Yes, right. Same thing as calling our children “kids,” and it goes way beyond just a baby goat when
you see the Goat of Mendes as their universal sign of Satan.
Alan: Even Lenin talked about the new technique or science of neologisms, new word creations.
Jackie: Neology.
Alan: Where they would literally dehumanize as they split up families and then parents to children so that
the state could indoctrinate the children. He said we will use different terms for the children and dehumanize
them in adults’ eyes.
Jackie: Well, kids are the good ones. We were called kids and it was done lovingly. I called my girls kids and
at first it was brought to my attention that a kid is a baby goat and that’s when I quite calling my
grandchildren kids. However, when I saw that picture of the Goat of Mendes, that evil putrid looking thing
with women’s breasts and a man’s erected phallus–
Alan: The hermaphrodite.
Jackie: The hermaphrodite with the goat’s head and they said this is the universal representation of Satan;
and I thought, my God, we’re not just calling our children baby goats. We’re calling them spawn of Satan.
And anybody who knows that and continues to say “kids” about their children, I think there’s something
wrong.
Alan: Well, we know there’s a lot wrong.
Jackie: “Oh well, it doesn’t mean anything.” Yes, it does mean something.
Alan: Yes, but you’ve said yourself about people who use the fluoride in toothpaste who know better and
they understand what you mean when you tell them about it, but they go ahead and buy the same stuff
anyway.
Jackie: “Oh, I didn’t know that.” They pay for their poison.
Alan: There are people no matter what you present to them who will carry on because they believe. See,
their inoculation of indoctrination has taken with them and they truly believe that the media tells them
everything that they would need to know, and if the media doesn’t tell them, they won’t believe you.
Jackie: You know the thing is the whole dog-gone language is made up so that we speak their stuff–
Alan: We do.
Jackie: And there are times when I think, okay, how are we going to talk if the only language we know is
the language that they gave us. You went through the alphabet one time and the different symbols of the
different letters and what they mean, and the school bus. It’s yellow and black. It’s carrying the little worker
bees in it, the little future worker bees.
Alan: And they have spelling bees at school.
Jackie: They have spelling bees. Then I found that prayer, tripped over it looking for something in a
Maryland newspaper online Monday and it was a minister’s sermon about how we should emulate the bees.
Remember that, Alan?
Alan: In Christian theology, even in Roman Catholic theology from the beginning, which doesn’t surprise
me, they also used the symbol of the beehive, as the pharaohs had before them, as the perfect society with
the royalty at the top (the Queen) and the drones (meaning the priests round about her) who decided what
the rest would be to eat, which would turn them. They’d didn’t get the royal jelly. They got the lower grade
which turned them into worker bees. They’ve always looked upon the beehive, even the Minoans – that’s
where the bankers lived in at the Aegean Sea at one point on the islands there and they called themselves
Minoans at that time. They have dug up these pottery replicas of the beehive and it was a very sacred
symbol there for them because that was them creating their order wherever they went.
Jackie: Do you know what that brings to mind? Pat Schroeder was a U.S. Congresswoman from Colorado
and I heard her – I even got it on tape on C-Span one day. They were talking about, oh gee, I can’t
remember what it was, but something about the children and she said our children shouldn’t even be
brought into this. They are our future of tomorrow. They are our greatest natural resource.
Alan: Resource.
Jackie: More so than gas and oil. In other words, she said – I wish I could remember it closer to what it
was. That’s basically the way she said it. They are the future tax base of this country. They are our greatest
natural resource. Now I wonder if that woman – I wonder if these people crawl out from under rocks, Alan,
that they can say something like that.
Alan: I know, and yet the high economists that advise on the system are well aware that that’s exactly how
it is. It’s a legalistic system which has everyone born into this system as a potential laborer and tax producer
with x-amount of years to put so much work into the tax base. That’s why only this system is allowed to
exist, because it enables a bunch of elitists at the top who do very little and they do no real work and could
not survive in any system outside this particular one they have created because they’re useless at anything
else. It allows them to live high on the hog. Higher than anyone else and live a life of luxury. Technically,
they don’t even own anything. They have the use during their lifetime of incredible government-owned
buildings across not just the one country, but across the planet and that goes right back to Plato in “The
Republic.” He said we’d create this system. He says “why own something and then have to hire guards to
watch your property and then pay for the maintenance and upkeep.” He said “why not have ourselves as
the government and the public will then maintain it all. Pay for it, build it, supply it with guards for us,” and
that’s the system we live in today.
Jackie: Well now this sounds pretty – it’s like we would have to quit almost breathing not to be in their
system.
Alan: They have made it so.
Jackie: Well I understand that, but you know I want to say this because we’ve gotten to a point, sometimes
we do this in our conversations, where I get to a point where I’m like okay you can’t talk without using their
language that they gave us and we “live” with the exchange of this fictitious paper and it brings me to a
point where it’s like what is the use? Then I remember and I really believe this is true what you said. When
we were talking about the Federal Reserve one day and the gold, that people keep wanting to go back to
gold as the standard not really understanding because I didn’t. They control the gold.
Alan: Always did.
Jackie: Yes and so it doesn’t matter whether it’s paper or what it is, when they have control of it they can
make a shortage of it any dog gone time they want. But one of the things you said when I in my huffiness
because you were ticking me off because everything I said, you said no it isn’t going to work. You cannot get
out of their system by using their system.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Then I said, okay, fine, what’s your solution? and you said if enough people get it, this system will
collapse of itself.
Alan: It’s a complete fiction.
Jackie: It is a fiction but people have to really get it that it’s a fiction.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: It’s just like they’re selling the air today, Alan.
Alan: I know.
Jackie: Well you know with those pollution credits. Jesus! They crush a car is worth $700 in pollution credits
and they sell the actual – some large corporation pays the $700 to the government to pay the person whose
car they crushed and that corporation gets to spew out $700 worth of tons of crud into the air. Now they are
selling it across international borders.
Alan: Yes and you can pay in advance now.
Jackie: They’re selling the air.
Alan: The great King James of the Bible when he wasn’t chasing the pageboys – and that’s a fact if anybody
wants to study up on it – he taxed the light and the air.
Jackie: The light. Oh, windows.
Alan: Yes, the window. If you opened the window then you were also–
Jackie: No, no. I think what it was, was however many windows you had in your house to let the light in.
Alan: But also when you had them open and the taxman came around, then you were taxed extra because
that window could open to let air in. That was a big luxury. They taxed everything you could imagine and a
lot we can’t imagine, I suppose, because it’s still to come. They’ve tried all this before and as I say that one
priest or scholar actually, young guy who left his records in Sumer, he said I look to the left to the horizons.
He says horizons to horizon and all I see is government buildings. He says they tax our food. They tax the
fishermen as they bring in their fish. Before they could land the fish they had to pay taxes on it. The fish
were taxed when sold at the market. When they go to bury a relative and leave offerings on the grave, he
says the government man comes and demands tax and payment for the offerings or else they’d take the
offering. That’s death duties. Nothing has changed you know. This is a slavery system, more sophisticated
than it’s ever been before, and that’s what Charles Galton Darwin said in the 1950’s. He said, “we are
creating a new more sophisticated form of slavery and very few will be able to figure it out.” Once you’re
conditioned into it, it’s hard to figure it out.
Jackie: I don’t know if we have time here but I would like to quote from page 59 of the book. This is where
you were telling about the Royal Institute and et cetera and the CFR and you said “the following extract is
taken from an international meeting from June 8th to 10th, 1931 in Copenhagen. The speaker is Professor
Arnold Toynbee, Director of Studies for the Royal Institute of International Affairs, London, England. He was
also master of…”
Never mind, I can’t do it. We’re out of time. Folks, I would recommend that you get Alan’s books. I think it
really can help to pull us out of the lies that we have been born into and we just don’t want to let go of, and
then maybe when you see some of this stuff it will begin, for those of you who really want the truth, this is a
dog-gone good start. Alan, thanks again for being with us today and thank you for the work you’ve done
here. Ladies and gentlemen, have a lovely four days and we’ll look for you back on Monday.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
March 28, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Monday the 28th
of March in the year 2005 and this is day 11 for Terri Schiavo without water, without food and we heard today that they
are going to have an autopsy done after Terri’s death so they can prove that there was no foul play by Michael and of
course we know that whatever is said will just be more of their lies.
Our spiritual message this evening is the same as we have been doing for the last couple of weeks, from Matthew. This
is something for us to consider all around, not just relating to Terri Schiavo.
“For I was hungry and you gave me meat. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took me
in naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came unto me inasmuch as you
have done it unto the least of these my brethren ye have done it unto me.”
That is a quote, a statement that is attributed to Jesus and he did say that “I and my father are one. He is in me as I am in
you and you are in me,” and that’s what I get from that, ladies and gentlemen. We’re not going to spend the broadcast
talking about Terri. Our heart is with her. Our love is with her and we posted a couple of weeks ago when the U.S.
Congress was going to get involved here and we had posted a piece and I said well good news but the U.S. Congress
doesn’t do anything. The U.S. Congress critters don’t do anything other than what their masters tell them to do and one
of the statements that I made is that we have to be alert because we should be aware of what could be going on in the
background behind the scenes while all our attention is on Terri Schiavo. Tonight our guest is Alan Watt. I called Alan
late this afternoon. I thought well maybe I’ll ask Alan to come on and ask him to give us his sage insight into what is
happening and has been happening is what we’re going to talk about, ladies and gentlemen. Alan, thanks for being here
with us tonight.
Alan: Yes. It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Yes, always. So behind the scenes what are your – just some insight or your thoughts. I mean we know that the
mainstream media has not brought this out the way it has for nothing.
Alan: It was a blitz across every border, every country. It was what they call in freemasonry a “must be.” It’s a “must
be” and it was portrayed in exactly the same format on every station where the public have been brought through and
participated in a psychodrama. An occult psychodrama and they’ve been brought to the conclusion carefully by the
magicians the masters wanted in the first place, which is the right of courts to declare their right and authority for
euthanasia. Euthanasia is the word for it you see. They never use that and on all the stations they never used the word
euthanasia and so without even a debate on congress the government is putting down on its books as a precedent the
right to euthanize who they decide and, of course, life support is not having a feeding tube in you, you see, so they have
given themselves–
Jackie: Artificial life support they’re calling it. Alan, I didn’t mean to interrupt but I read a quote today. I think it was by
Thelos or by one of the doctors that testified that she was PVS and he said that even a person who cannot bring a spoon
up to their mouths. In other words, it doesn’t matter if you can swallow or not, if you have to be fed by someone else
then it’s time for you.
Alan: That would take most of the traffic victim accidents that are in hospitals for a few months and then out again. In
other words, what they wanted to get through for a long, long time is the right for the courts to declare the right for
euthanasia, condemn who they wish to and even use a non-medical term that you can stretch like a rubber band and say
you’re in a “vegetative state,” which is a non-medical term. It’s like “democracy,” it can be stretched as far as they wish
it to be stretched and the public have gone along with this because they swallowed the “vegetative state” or “weapons of
mass destruction” repetition and of course now they’re out putting their living wills together as they’ve all been advised
to, which is the next big con.This living will thing, every station in Canada, like the U.S., does exactly the same thing.
They gave you this spiel with the vegetative state repetition and they then talk to experts to advise everyone to get living
wills and of course if you look at one of the biggest industries today, it’s the organ donor industry. You’ll see that the
most expensive organs are those taken from a body where the heart is still beating but they’re declared brain dead and so
this follows right into their agenda because they always make a profit off the human misery they cause. Since we are
nothing but the sheep, then it makes perfect sense they’ve done it in this format; but Joe Public has passively given his
consent to having himself euthanized in the future, with or without a living will, because it makes no difference in the
end if the courts have the rights to decide. They can overrule whatever they want. It’s a psychodrama where they’ve
brought the whole public in on the act, just like they did with the killing of Kennedy. It was broadcast all over the world
over and over and over and so this is deliberate, very carefully constructed. There was no variation on the presentation
of this from station to station, whether it was radio, television or whatever. It is all the same.
We’re going down path they wish. They put these same laws through in Holland and you wouldn’t believe where these
laws have now ended up with the public. It started off with people who were brain dead supposedly and now there’s so
many lawsuits where they’ve inadvertently killed the wrong people by mistaking their tags and it goes on and on and on,
plus they’re making a tremendous profit from the organ donation from the live bodies. Yes, psychodramas of immense
proportions.
Now while that was all happening on the 23rd, President Bush had a meeting with Fox and Prime Minister Martin of
Canada and they signed into agreement the Unification of the Americas. I don’t think they even broadcast it on the U.S.
television as to what they’d done, but in Canada they certainly did show us little bits of it, censored though it was, where
they admitted that they’re going ahead and within four years there will be no borders as such.
Jackie: So that anybody thinking about leaving the U.S. and moving to Canada may as well hang that up.
Alan: Yes, because there is to be a common passport and they’ve got the pictures of it in the newspapers up here and it’s
biometric with their eye scan and it’s got eye scan, thumbprint, everything on it and it’s all ready to go. However, it’s
being constructed in exactly the same way as the European Union, where after they sign it into law basically you are
part of the one continent from then on, so we are already, and they talked about they’ve already merged the military and
the CSIS.
Jackie: That certainly would include Mexico too, wouldn’t it?
Alan: Yes. It does and so all your CIA and so on are all combined with CSIS and so on. All law enforcement is
combined.
Jackie: What’s CSIS?
Alan: That’s our version of the same thing. We call it “Big Sis.” They’re also bringing in a common currency
eventually. They admitted that; common taxation, common rights to all natural resources and the bureaucrats from one
country can move to the other country’s government and work there if they wish to. This is all in process right now.
Jackie: Alan. I’m sorry that phone call was the second one I have received and Eleanor called up the first one. I turned
my mike down so we wouldn’t interrupt your flow of talk. She said that we started out really nice and clear and she said
now it’s so muffled that you can’t even hear us and I gave her WWCR’s phone number for them to call. She said well I
think it is WFAR if it isn’t muffled on the internet it isn’t from WFAR because WWCR picks up the signal off the
internet so I gave Eleanor the phone number and I don’t know if any of our engineers at WWCR listen but we need some
help here to get a good clear signal out. This was another listener. Eleanor called from Canada. Kate called from New
Jersey and she said Jackie I’m sorry but you and Alan are so muffled I cannot make out a word you are saying and we
haven’t had this happening Alan. We haven’t had it happening. Nicholas, if you’re listening to this broadcast, would you
come in and click in please because I was thinking maybe Nicholas could get a hold of one of the engineers at WWCR.
Alan: Yes, because I’ve got a little earpiece here from my radio and it sounds like mush.
Jackie: Eleanor said it started out clear as a bell. Alan, let us continue as though people can hear us. Did you mention
some meeting that was held in Waco, Texas?
Alan: On the 23rd and they called it “The Three Amigos.”
Jackie: You know, Alan, the thing is this. For me to have sat here and done a radio broadcast as though what’s
happening to Terri isn’t happening I could not do it and I do understand that. I mean I realize when it was all over the
media the way it is, I did realize that they were doing it. I mean it was intentional. They never do anything that is not
intentional but that’s the kind of catch-22 they get us into.
Alan: It was so obvious because it didn’t matter what station you tuned into, radio, AM, television, U.S., Canada, it was
the exact same format. They were reading the same scripts, no variation and the constant repetition of “vegetative state,”
“vegetative state,” like “weapons of mass destruction.”
Jackie: You know they did that little – Linda Kennedy calls it an S curve. I’ll tell you what happened. There was so
many people emailing and calling those broadcasters and the stations saying, here, look at this. Here, look at this. They
couldn’t avoid it. They had to do it and let me tell you what I heard. I believe it was on the 18th or it might have been the
16th. It was Larry King Live. It was that week anyway. First he had Michael Schiavo and Felos on and then he had
Suzanne which is Terri’s sister and their lawyer Gibbs on. Then the last one that they had on it was all of them in the
same broadcast but not altogether and it was some man from the Bioethics Institute–
Alan: That’s the new name for the eugenics institute.
Jackie: I know it is. I’ve got information on it. It’s not ethical at all of course. Here’s what I noticed and this is how they
do their slight little curve. Enough people knew that Terri Schiavo was not in a coma. They saw the videos et cetera and
so Larry King was talking to this Arthur guy and he said that when you look at her and you see I mean she makes facial
expressions, he says, “that’s right”. Larry King said, “that’s no coma” and then here’s what the guy said. “That’s right,
you’re right, but it doesn’t matter.” See, first of all they started pushing it like she’s in a coma – she’s been in a coma for
15 years and then it came out that she isn’t and that she smiles and cries.
Alan: I’ve got a tape of her trying to talk.
Jackie: Okay, so then here’s what the guy said, “but it doesn’t matter,” he said to Larry King, you’re right, she isn’t in a
coma but he said listen we have a scientologist. We have Jehovah’s witnesses who say we don’t want your medicine. We
would rather pray and he said we don’t force it on them so why would we force it on Terri? She does not want to live
like this. So you see they came right out and admitted, oh yes, she’s not in a coma but it doesn’t matter.
Alan: That’s your cognitive dissonance and that’s how you get the public to go along with the flow of the way it’s
presented to them, right to the very conclusion they expect you to reach.
Jackie: Exactly. It doesn’t matter, she wants this and Michael is just fulfilling her wishes. They really did a number on
this thing, didn’t they, Alan?
Alan: Well, they achieved three objectives.
Jackie: Maybe more than three.
Alan: At least, though. It was slick chess move, one by one and the public have no idea where they’re really being led
because it’s a highly emotive production you see and that’s when they get you. They rile you up into emotion and they
have the public arguing amongst each other, which is designed, but they always bring you to your conclusion. Number
one is the courts have the right to decide who’s to be killed and who isn’t; and no debate in Congress; and the public, if
they acquiesce to that decision, then they have now given their power that that’s okay with them. It’s now law.
Jackie: They’re showing us that the courts are going to be the law in this land.
Alan: We’re living through psychodramas and they’re masonically and occultically created to the tiniest detail because
you take the Schindler’s List novel and Schindler of course, the whole idea was that he had the right to decide who
would live and die of course the parents are called Schindler. You take Terri Schiavo and the name itself and then you
put it through the old Celtic name which is used in High Masonry for the “soul eater,” which is called a “schriver” and
you can certainly make that out of Terri Schiavo. You can put that together and you’ve got Schriver which is the soul
eater and that was someone who was put out there to basically eat the sins of the person if the priests didn’t get there in
time.
Jackie: I saw a movie about that, “The Sin Eater”.
Alan: You might have because they once in a blue moon they’ll put a lot of that stuff out in movies, but in old history
books you’ll find that name comes up and in High Masonry they still use it. Right down to the tiniest detail this is an
occult psychodrama that we’re all being played through, just like all the details that went into the Kennedy assassination.
Jackie: I’ve had people email me and say the name Schindler, are they Jews? Are they sacrificing one of their own et
cetera and of course Schindler’s List, people have connected that name but Schiavo of course that’s amazing too, but tell
me this. How does it happen – see, this gets really esoteric.
Schindler, okay, here’s my thought. This happened to Terri Schlinder-Schiavo and she goes into the hospital and
probably from the bone scan and it was said by a close friend she was going to be divorcing him because of the way he
treated her and because of his womanizing. That night a friend said why don’t you just don’t go home tonight, stay with
me. Well, she winds up in this condition. She wasn’t party to that. She didn’t say, okay, I’ll get brain dead because my
name is Schindler-Schiavo. Alan, I don’t think that Schiavo – I mean maybe he did, but that would be a heck of a reach
to say this was all a plot and because the name is Schlinder-Schiavo and it means this and this we’ll have him create this
drama.
Alan: Yes, but I think things are worked so far in advance even before people get together and I think that’s really how
occultic everything truly is in this system.
Jackie: What you’re saying then – I mean if they worked this out, that we get beat up, we get strangled, we get made not
brain dead or brain damaged because of maybe a fit of anger that a husband got into–
Alan: Or he was ordered to do it at the right time and believe you me, in this real, real world, that’s not beyond them.
They plan wars.
Jackie: They were in their 20s. Do you know they were in their 20s when this happened, Alan? They had only been
married five years when this happened. We have to take our half hour break here. Alan, what makes me think of what
you just said is that they are beyond occult.They are using the power, the creative energy, misusing it, maybe you could
call it black magic, to induce people to do certain things. It’s weird. That is warped. That’s weird.
Alan: It’s beyond the human capability really, but I’ve seen it happen so many times it cannot be ignored. The precise
detail – when they want a human sacrifice too – and of course it happens around Easter time.
Jackie: Purim. Purim was just a few days before Easter.
Alan: And it’s all Ishtar anyway so it doesn’t matter, but the thing is they go into incredible detail way in advance of the
event and have everything perfect to pull it off because it is an occultic drama that the whole of society must participate
in.
Jackie: You know what that reminds me of? For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities,
powers against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places,” and boy, Alan, you
know this really behooves us to continue to look at ourselves and be very aware, acutely aware of how we’re being, how
we’re feeling, even our emotions. I mean, see, I’m very clear these past couple of weeks and I haven’t even gone to sleep
until broad daylight several mornings because I’m sleepless and I actually – it’s bright enough that when I go to bed I
can sit there and read my books without the lights on. I’m very clear that that state of mind that I have been in and not
having been able to somehow bring myself out of it, but I’ve been aware that how I’m feeling is exactly how they want
us to feel.Hopeless, hurting, frustrated, all of those negative types of energies that feed their power because they are the
negative.
Alan: They are the negative and since 9/11, I don’t know if people have noticed, but pretty well all authority figures out
there from government departments are coming forward with a different demeanor. Even the politicians aren’t giving us
the same old pretense of joviality and so on We’re seeing a new face of dictatorial personalities emerge and that’s the
new training of the public for the new era and this is again skillfully managed. It’s an old technique because these guys
go back thousands and thousands of years and we’re going into their new phase of a form of dictatorship really.
Jackie: And the people who are being put in the power places?
Alan: No one’s there by chance or hard work and so they have it all figured out who should be in and where. You have
family dynasties here. I mean let’s not kid ourselves. We’re presented with the choice of this family dynasty or that
family dynasty, only to find out that they’re all interrelated anyway, so it doesn’t matter.
Jackie: I remember one time you were talking about the Bush family and you said they’re really only twigs on the
family tree. Boy, those twigs sure have done their work, haven’t they, Alan?
Alan: They have but they’re not the brightest of people.
Jackie: Yes, I was going to say that. Actually they do nothing. They’re just the front piece. Of course Poppy, he’s a
pretty wicked guy, isn’t he?
Alan: He’s more shrewd. He thinks more and he calculates his language more than his son.
Jackie: And all the son does, the shrub, all he does is stick his chest out and strut with that smirky little smile on his
face like he’s somebody.
Alan: When he’s got the script there he can read it pretty good, but when he doesn’t have a script there he makes
incredible blunders. This is the man that was talking about the French because they wouldn’t join his war and he said,
“Well the French don’t even have a word for entrepreneur.”
Jackie: Like that means something.
Alan: Well, it is a French word.
Jackie: Oh, it is a French word. Oh my God, Alan.
Alan: Then on the 23rd there when The Three Amigos were meeting to sign us all into one continent and one system, a
reporter in the audience asked the main question. He said, “Does this mean it’s the exact same format as the European
Union?” And Mr. Paul Martin who is also a lawyer–
Jackie: And who is Paul Martin?
Alan: He’s the Prime Minister of Canada. He said, “Well it’s not quite the big bang,” I mean he was off balance but he
was trying to give us a very vague answer but George couldn’t help himself and he wasn’t reading the script and said,
“Yes, I see this whole thing based on inter cooperation and closer ties,” the exact same phraseology they used when they
were bringing Europe together, and he says, “progressing towards a common goal and spreading democracy through the
entire continent.” Yes, he couldn’t help himself. He was too enthusiastic and he gave too much out of the bag really. It
was only last year that the British people were given the released documents that had been classified since 1972 when
they had actually signed Britain into the Union, sovereignty and all, and it said in the document that the British people
must never be told the truth until this is accomplished. Now that’s democracy for you. Democracy again is an elastic
band that’s never had a fixed definition.
Jackie: You’re laughing.
Alan: Yes, because you have to stand back and look at the farce of it.
Jackie: But Alan, how do you know all that you know and understand all that you know and can bear it?
Alan: Because I was born like this. I mean I was a camera for the first five years of just watching and from then on I got
to the learning stage to investigate what was going on. When you realize how old this plan is and the techniques used
upon nations and peoples are ancient techniques that were known thousands of years ago and they’re formulas actually
and they were used in ancient times when the international bankers of 2,000 years ago were taking over the Middle East
and Aegean Sea. The exact same techniques were used.
Jackie: The money changers.
Alan: They had international bankers back then.
Jackie: You said the money changers were international bankers.
Alan: They were the bankers but you know you can go into the writings of the old philosophers of Greece and Athens
and Attica and so on and some of them actually explain how these guys came in and introduced their coinage, their gold
and their silver. They set up local branch offices, branch banks and then once the public were used to using this strange
thing called “money” rather than bartering with each other, the bankers would say your money isn’t safe out there. Bring
it into this branch bank–
Jackie: And we’ll give you paper receipts.
Alan: What they gave them then was clay facsimiles and they found thousands of jars of this stuff. Clay facsimiles and
as soon as the gold and silver was in the local branch bank it was shipped across the sea to the Middle East again and
put into the temples.
Jackie: Let me ask you a question. What’s the big deal about gold?
Alan: Gold of course–
Jackie: I know it has intrinsic value but there’s something about gold that has meant something to them throughout all
these years.
Alan: It’s the old god. It’s G-Old, Old G, the G of freemasonry that they have in all their symbols.
Jackie: Gold, is that where the word God comes from?
Alan: Well, God is also “dog” backwards because the symbol of the god in his night form was the constellation Orion
who was always followed by the two dogs, his faithful dogs. Of course, Sirius is the main star that rises and tells them
when the Nile flood was coming is the eye of the Canis Major, the dog that follows.
Jackie: What is the Dog Star?
Alan: That is Sirius. That’s the eye of the dog that follows Orion.
Jackie: There’s something in the bible that that woman that was asking Jesus to help her and he wouldn’t and she said
I’ll pick up the crumbs that you feed the dogs. That’s symbolic. What did that mean?
Alan: Well, it’s a racist comment if he actually said it. She supposedly replied, yes, but even the dogs will eat of the
crumbs.
Jackie: I didn’t believe that he said that.
Alan: It would have been something if he did.
Jackie: He wouldn’t, yes, exactly.
Alan: It would negate the whole idea that he was for everyone.
Jackie: That right. So forget that he said it but they said he said it. What did it symbolize to them?
Alan: Again, it was to differentiate between who a true Jew was and who a Samarian was because they both come from
Babylon. They both had been led out of Babylon and the invading kings who released them from Babylon had first sent
out a group who were told you can only study the five books of the Bible and they were then called the “Samarians.”
Then he sent another group out a few years later who were the rest of the Jews supposedly and they were given also the
Babylonian Talmud and they became bitter enemies, these two groups.
Jackie: Were those the Pharisees and the Sadducees?
Alan: They were very sad you see.
Jackie: I have to let Mariah (the dog) out, she’s bugging me, so will you explain the books that you have available. I’ll
be back with you in a minute.
Alan: I have 3 books put together and they explain some of the occult terminology which is included within religion,
because all Masonic temples in the West use the Bible, although they read the esoteric meanings from it, which “the
profane,” as the rest of the people are called, are not taught in their churches. [See www..com for ordering.] If you’re
interested in learning some of the occult terminology, I’m sure you won’t be disappointed with this.
Jackie: That was just perfect timing. Alan, thanks for coming on tonight.
Alan: It’s no problem. It’s a pity the reception is so poor.
Jackie: I know it is. Maybe I’ll just play this tape another time and surprise them and see what happens. This past two
weeks that this has been going on, three weeks I guess, I can’t even describe to you where I’ve been because maybe I
don’t know. You know what I mean, Alan? But it’s just nice to have you on for tonight.
Alan: Well, at least we can shed some other light on it than that which has already been put out there. I don’t know if
the people also know that that Clearwater area is basically the center for Scientology.
Jackie: Maybe they don’t, but I’ve got another piece that’s going to be posted on our website but Judge George Greer
was given an award by the Clearwater Bar Association and you know what it was for? For passing the test. Literally the
guy that gave him the award was a lawyer who was a lawyer for Scientology.
Alan: In fact their main broadcasting station is right next door to the hospital and they have a degreed system because
they are a higher freemasonic system you see and the OT8 – the degree of OT8 is the degree where you can kill with a
thought.
Jackie: Are you saying O like the letter O?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: T as in Thomas?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: 8?
Alan: Yes, number 8. That’s their 8th degree and–
Jackie: What does O & T stand for?
Alan: Well, here’s the thing. It’s “Satan” with a lisp, because it’s the Order of “Thatan,” T-H-A-T, you see?
Jackie: Order of Satan. Oh my God, Alan.
Alan: The degree of 8, which is “as above, so below,” the number 8, is the ability to kill with a thought. It’s one of their
higher degrees and of course once that’s thought and been put on paper by a judge, they just killed with a thought.
Jackie: Let me tell you something. I’ve got a quote by Greer and as a matter of fact I’ve sent it over to Darrin to put up
at the very top of Terri’s page and basically that’s what he said. This girl – that was back at another time when they took
out here feeding tube, is not to be fed. This girl is going to die.
Alan: She starved to death.
Jackie: It doesn’t matter how. Well it does, but–
Alan: You’re starved to death and you die by dehydration. This is murder, obviously.
Jackie: Well I know that. That’s not the point. You just said their 8th degree when it’s put on paper.
Alan: That’s them killing with a thought.
Jackie: That’s exactly what he said. “This girl is going to die.” Well, it didn’t happen then. It’s happening now and Alan,
I really believe she has stepped outside of it. I think I’ve mentioned this to you in our conversations. I call it my twilight
zone and sometimes as I’m drifting into sleep by I’m not sleeping and I saw her standing outside of her body and she
was very, very peaceful and there was still that life flow, what they call the silver cord. Not that I saw a silver cord but it
wasn’t like okay Terri’s gone “dead.” But that she was standing there very peaceful and very lovely and she like you
know watching.
Alan: Well, you know the lawyer for the husband.
Jackie: Felos.
Alan: He’s also a member of all these groups and in 1991 he was in I think it was “Future Magazine” as a prime
advocate for the right of euthanasia and he claims that when he went into see Terri he saw her soul inside
communicating with his and screaming to be released. That’s what he said.
Jackie: Do you know what he said a couple of days ago on Network News? That “Terri has never looked so beautiful”
and Bobby Schiavo her brother said that is such a lie. But he told his mom don’t even go into to see her anymore.
Alan: No, because she’s bleeding from her eyes and nose and so on.
Jackie: From her tongue is bleeding and Felos to that devil she looked beautiful to him. God, Alan.
Alan: Well, you know there are creatures from hell unfortunately.
Jackie: And where is hell, Alan?
Alan: This is it.
Jackie: This world.
Alan: Hella is the Norwegian or Nordic word for the earth, and this is it, folks. You’re here and you’re certainly being
run by the master liars.
Jackie: And what in the hell are we doing here, Alan?
Alan: Maybe there’s a way out for some people, some of the fallen angels. Maybe they’ve done some repenting.
Jackie: Or like you said earlier today when we talking that the good news is that we can wake up in hell.
Alan: Oh, that’s a miracle. That is a miracle in itself when you realize the intense amount of indoctrination that we get
as soon as we comprehend what’s happening from the system in kindergarten, media, cartoons and school and the
media, I mean that’s all an intense matrix system to give us a version of reality which most people will never question
right to their death and yet it’s not happening just in this generation. It’s happened for thousands of years.
Jackie: Well, but you know what? Maybe not this intensely and I think you had said this a long time ago that there is
nothing new under the sun and the technology today that you believed they had really advanced further in this time than
they have ever advanced before.
Alan: They’ve had the knowledge and we definitely know from Francis Bacon’s books written in the 1500’s and
published in 1602 with “The New Atlantis,” he’s talking about a weather machine to control the weather and
earthquakes and storms.
Jackie: And genetically modifying the plants.
Alan: Plants and animals and engineering mosquitoes to carry diseases for warfare purposes and this is in the days of
the horse and buggy and the candle. 1602 was the first time it was published. It was written in the late 1500’s.
Jackie: “The New Atlantis.” You know, Alan, I never got that book. I called colleges. I just never got that book.
Alan: It’s worth the read because if you can plow through it–
Jackie: I was trying to find – can I get the real “New Atlantis” like from Barnes & Nobel or something?
Alan: Yes. They’ll have a list of different upgraded additions.
Jackie: I think I had called and they didn’t have any but they could order them for me and you had suggested that
colleges will have them and I called colleges up there in the New York phonebook that I had and here in Pennsylvania.
None of them have it.
Alan: You have to make sure you get the proper one by Francis Bacon because the last couple of years they’ve churned
out ones by other authors who’ve adopted the story and taken it off into outer space.
Jackie: Right, and I’m not so sure it’s all that easy to get today.
Alan: You’d had to get the reputable authors and you could actually ask for original type in the old language, in other
words in the language of that day if you want to. In other words, they haven’t been tampered with. They’re just straight
facsimiles of the original addition.
Jackie: Would we be able to understand it?
Alan: You will be. There are some spelling differences.
Jackie: Well, like time is TYME.
Alan: And Moses is MOYSE but you can figure it out quite easily. You cannot imagine where science would take you
like science fiction unless you have a basis to take it from and of course we’re expected to believe he knew all this stuff
just by a dream or whatever in the 1500’s, when, as I say, the horse and buggy were your means of transportation and a
wax candle was your light. It’s impossible. No, they had the knowledge. That was the days of the Rosicrucians.
Jackie: We’re out of our hour. You want to come back tomorrow night?
Alan: Yes. We should really try and get it out. I think we weren’t even on the air for the last 15 minutes.
Jackie: Oh, you’re kidding me.
Alan: I think so, yes.
Jackie: Anyway, we can have these played again by the way; and Scientology, maybe we should take a look at that a
little closer tomorrow.
Alan: Yes. That was a Masonic creation.
Jackie: We will be back tomorrow night. Alan will be back with us and thanks for being here.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
March 29, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is
Tuesday. It is the 29th of March in the year 2005. Today is day 11 for Terri Schiavo, folks, and I wanted to
say this tonight. Just because we aren’t spending the entire broadcast discussing Terri does not mean that
we give up and not that it’s necessarily going to make a difference, but I think that the calls and the emails
and the faxes should keep going into Jeb Bush and basically just to let them know folks how many people,
how many of us know that you know and maybe that’s all the good that it would do. But it doesn’t mean we
sit back and say okay that’s it, it’s over because it’s never over until the fat lady sings, at least that’s what I
learned in school. I don’t what you learned.
Our spiritual message this evening is St. Francis of Assisi prayer.
“Father, make me an instrument of your piece. Where there is hatred, let me so love. Where there is
injury, pardon. Where there is doubt let me sow faith. Where there is despair, hope. Where there is
darkness, let me sow light and where there is sadness, joy. Father, grant that I may not so much to be
consulted as to consul. To be understood as to understand. To be loved as to love for it is in giving that we
receive. It is in pardoning that we are pardoned and it is dying that we are born into eternal life.”
That is very lovely for me. Our guest this evening once again is Alan Watt, folks, and Alan, thanks so much
for being here.
Alan: It’s a pleasure if we’re actually on.
Jackie: Are we actually on?
Alan: I don’t know.
Jackie: Alan, for the sake of our shortwave listeners who didn’t hear it last night, basically what we talked
about is what was going on behind the scenes with this Terri Schiavo situation being like you said on every
where you turned, every TV, radio et cetera, and what was going on behind the scenes was the merging of
the Americas, yes?
Alan: That’s right, on the 23rd.
Jackie: For the sake of our listeners who really couldn’t hear this last night, could you brief them again on
this, Alan?
Alan: Previously on the 14th, The Council on Foreign Relations broadcast on television their plan for the
future, which was basically an amalgamated Americas. Then the following week Prime Minister Martin of
Canada and Mr. Bush and Mr. Fox met in Waco, Texas before going on to the ranch there and on two
television stations in Canada, the CBC (which is the government station) and City Television they showed us
two versions and you could piece together the whole thing from the two. In other words, they were heavily
censored but it did come out and one reporter did ask when “the three amigos” as they called them when
they were up on stage.
Jackie: The three amigos?
Alan: That’s what they called them.
Jackie: Oh, for God sake.
Alan: When they were up on stage.
Jackie: In Canada?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: That was a good way to bring Mexico up to Canada, wasn’t it?
Alan: Yes and the reporter asked them, he says, “Is this the amalgamation the same as the European Union
style?” and Paul Martin stepped in and he gave a vague answer which he says, “It’s not quite the big bang”
and then he rambled on from there, but then Mr. Bush stepped in and he was rather enthusiastic and he
wasn’t reading the script and he got carried away I think and he says, “I envisage closer cooperation and
ties”. Now that’s the same terminology they used all through the Free Trade amalgamation for the
Europeans was “closer ties.” What they’ve done is sign into law that a common taxation system for the
whole Americas, a common right to all natural resources shared amongst them all, which are the big boys
anyway, it’s nothing to do with us, and a gradual disappearing of the borders within four years, which is
exactly the same format as when you join the European Union – as they’re amalgamating they give four
years for the dissolution of the borders, so this is all part one. They signed it into law and they’ve got nine
more meetings this year to fast-track the rest of it through.
Jackie: And that four years gives them an opportunity to very slowly and subtly pull it over on the people to
where the people by the time that “four years” is up they’re full-fledged into it and don’t even know it, Alan.
Alan: They won’t even know. In fact they already admitted that the CIA and Canada’s CSIS (a similar
organization) are already blended. The law enforcement are all being amalgamated right now. Bureaucrats
from the Canadian government can now apply to work in the U.S. Federal government and vice versa, so it’s
already here.
Jackie: Oh my. Why is it then we would have a Russian Jew, Chertoff, for head of the Homeland Security?
Alan: Well, he’s had plenty of training and experience with the KGB. I mean the Russians had the trial run of
how to contain a whole people and brainwash them and keep them living in fear.
Jackie: For our listeners and folks, I know you’ve heard this if you are long-time listener, but the book that I
read by Mikhail Heller when Alan mentions Russia or the Soviet Union and it was a giant laboratory is exactly
what it was. They created the new man. The new man was the Soviet man, by the way, and he says – listen
to this. I just grabbed the book here, Alan. He said that “in the Soviet Union people aren’t born. Organisms
are born and we’ve turned them into people”. He said, “we turn them into truck drivers, tractor drivers,
academicians,” et cetera and he said, “it took millions of years for man to become homo sapiens, but in 60
short years we have created a whole new species called the Soviet man,” Homo-Sovieticus.
Alan: See that’s that plan society which the elite wrote about over 100 years ago.
Jackie: I can’t find this place in the book but I guess I don’t need it. This is exactly what is happening just
what he said. A whole new species has emerged, Alan, like the cougars.
Alan: Like Bertrand Russell and all the other front men who were told what to write basically and Bertrand
Russell was Lord Bertrand Russell so he was talking from the perspective of one of the elite. In his own
books he said that the future that we are creating will not be haphazard. He said “no one would be born into
the society unless we have a function for them.” You’re talking about a totally planned society.
Jackie: Yes. At least back into the bioethics what’s going on with Terri, I have been reading a lot about socalled
bioethics, realizing of course that it isn’t ethical at all.
Alan: You see it’s the new name. The Rockefellers started up back in the 1920’s the first Eugenics Society
and now of course they’ve got dirty names after they measured people’s skulls and decided they weren’t
worth living, so they changed their name to “Bioethics” which is more consumer friendly; and so they don’t
plan to have people born or at least allowed to live–
Jackie: That’s right and folks, listening to this, because honestly when I read Orwell’s “1984” it didn’t hit me
that this is what they mean and it is certainly of course hitting me now. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a
tendency to hear it but not really hear it. We listen but we don’t get it, but what exactly Alan and I are
talking about right now is exactly the plan. In other words, and my sis said this today, Alan. She said, “you
mean in other words if my hips get bad they could just kill me?” I said “that’s right sis” and that’s exactly,
folks, they’re talking about the marginal elders. I mean they’re saying it right out loud that this is going to be
the treatment of—I forget how they call it—withholding food and water.
Alan: Starvation.
Jackie: But no, it isn’t starvation, it’s dehydration, Alan.
Alan: As well, yes. Regardless, it’s murder but you see they put their own books out there many years ago
and nobody reads them and these are not conspiracy books because they’re written by people who attend
these meetings. Bertrand Russell was a member of The Royal Institute of International Affairs, which is the
British Commonwealth version of the CFR. It’s all one big club and he wrote “The Impact of Science on
Society.” That’s one of his books and he goes through this very thing, that they’d have to consider how
much of a population they would actually need to fulfill certain basic functions and then decide which ones
out of that population they would allow to live to fulfill those roles, based on IQ, sickness and so on.
Jackie: Or lack thereof.
Alan: Yes and when you couple that with the definition of the UN of a “good world citizen,” which Mr.
Rockefeller calls himself, a good world citizen under the UN definition is a good producer-consumer. Now
when you become purely a consumer you’re now a useless eater; you’re wasting the resources of the world.
You can see how it’s all working perfectly along the same lines to where they want us all to go. It’s perfect
because they’re all working in tandem and they’re on the same track and Joe Public when he hears this–
Jackie: It doesn’t register, Alan.
Alan: He can’t believe it.
Jackie: Well of course not, because it’s taken a long time for me to actually get it that what we’re talking
about is for real. I mean we’ve talked about this and I’ve written about it, not this particular but all of it and
it stays in and around our mind somewhere that it’s unreal even though we know it is real.
Alan: Until the knock comes to your door.
Jackie: Exactly, but no, see, before that sometimes you get it before the knock comes. I got it and the
seriousness of it for people to understand cannot be exaggerated.
Alan: No, that’s just it. You see, we’re living under mind control. In fact the whole system from birth is
intense mind control, which is reinforced through a universal schooling system so that everyone grows up
with the same impressions and ideas thinking they’re sane because their neighbor and all their friends who
when through the same system all have the same opinions, so we must all be sane. That’s how easy it is to
train a whole society or a world to live under mind control and never know it. Zbigniew Brzezinski, he’s still
one of the top advisers there for all the presidents, Brzezinski in his own books “Between Two Ages” and the
“Technetronic Era” talked in the ’60’s about the coming population. He said we’re almost at the stage where
the average individual is unable to think for themselves. He said all they’ll be able to do shortly is repeat
what was downloaded into them on the previous night’s news. Now when you couple that with what
Bertrand Russell said in his book, “The Impact of Science on Society,” it’s the same darn scheme. Bertrand
Russell said that they were creating the people to only believe in the experts and that there would be
experts for everything and that is a fact.
Jackie: And when people argue with you, they say I know it, and when you ask them how they know it,
they say because some guy in a white coat on the television said it.
Alan: Yes, that’s correct and that’s exactly what happened with the Schiavo case. We watched the people
with the professional uniforms on and I’m talking about the suits and ties, because fascism comes with a suit
and tie, not with a uniform, and it’s got a friendly face and then you see the judges with their cloaks on, so
we’re all well impressed by these experts and really these are just people. A hundred years ago if they tried
this, those people wouldn’t be walking around too long you know. However, everyone has been emasculated
through this mind control system we’ve been under and the men especially today hardly know really what
they are. They’ve been accused of everything so much that they’ve lost their natural abilities you might say
to maintain–
Jackie: You mean with the feminist movement?
Alan: The feminist movement, everything, I mean the white man’s been blamed for everything that’s
happened on the planet and so he doesn’t know which way to go – if he’s doing something right or wrong or
whatever, he’s unsure of himself in other words. He doesn’t act on his impulse or instincts of selfpreservation.
Jackie: And that is the male instinct, not only self-preservation, but protectionist.
Alan: Yes and this is what they called “scientific socialism,” through a careful gradual process over maybe
50 years, Russell and other ones and H.G. Wells said the same thing, they said, “We can basically reduce the
male to be impotent; mentally impotent,” and that has been achieved. Of course, people think they have a
free media. There are no free medias out there.
Jackie: What do you mean free media?
Alan: Independent.
Jackie: Well, there’s us.
Alan: That’s maybe it, but out there I’m talking about the regular, you know mainstream usual. When they
can spray whole continents from the sky for the last five or six years on an almost a daily basis, not one
newspaper or television is even – obviously they won’t even mention it. Now that tells you that they’re not
independent whatsoever.
Jackie: Exactly, where the control is.
Alan: They’re totally controlled.
Jackie: You know what’s amazing to me? When I was reading Doug Reese book “Controversy of Zion” back
in the 1700’s he told about the press control back then and how the press could totally ruin an individual
who was standing up telling the truth.
Alan: I’ve seen some of the original newspapers of the 1700’s because I used to go to the old libraries in
Scotland and I can’t even describe what they’d put on a political cartoon when they were bringing somebody
down because it was pre-Victorian and you wouldn’t believe how they cartooned people in order to discredit
them; but it’s always been this way. For mind control you must have all the media working for you because
the public get most of their “ongoing adult education,” as it’s called cryptically, from the media and that
gives them their sense of reality.
Jackie: Who was the prime minister before Churchill?
Alan: Lloyd George was in.
Jackie: Somebody before him.
Alan: Are you talking about the one who signed the pact or the treaty with Hitler and he came back–
Jackie: What was his name?
Alan: It slipped my mind. I can actually see him.
Jackie: Well, I can’t see him but anyway it will come in. This reminds me of the same thing. Anyway, he
went and spoke personally with Adolph Hitler and came back and he announced there will be no war and the
people in England were cheering and celebrating. The people in Germany were celebrating. Does it start with
an N?
Alan: Neville Chamberlain.
Jackie: Neville Chamberlain, thank you. Okay folks, this is the power of the press that we’re talking about.
He actually negotiated a peace with Germany and when he came back and announced that and everybody
was cheering, what they did in about a few weeks span of time is that the press totally denigrated him. He
was blamed for something that had to do with the navy that Churchill actually was responsible for and he
was run right out of office and that was the press doing it again because they were going to have their war.
Alan: This war was planned and to be honest, this is my opinion, but I think the top boys on all sides are
always in on it. In fact when Hess flew to Britain – I don’t know if people realize that Hess was related to the
royal family.
Jackie: Was he really?
Alan: The House of Hess is part of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha line yes.
Jackie: Why did he stay in prison the rest of his life?
Alan: We don’t even know if he did, you know.
Jackie: We don’t know, do we, Alan?
Alan: In fact they’ve even had BBC programs on that, where no one was allowed to see him and on one
occasion one of his relatives said that wasn’t him, so we’ll never really know. Do you know where he took off
to go and see? Who he was going to see?
Jackie: No. Who was he going to see?
Alan: He was going to see Lord Lothian who was the head of The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the
CFR. He landed on his property.
Jackie: I remember reading that, Alan.
Alan: You see, so these guys had it all planned this thing and I’m sure they said to Adolf and so on, you go
so far and then we’ll come in and then will have a bit of a fight and then we’ll have a truce; but of course
they did a bad deal with them and Hess came over to see what was going on. These are all chess games
and even those who go along with it can get dragged right down the tubes, but they’ve planned many wars
in the past. This is an old, old strategy. In fact, Plato talked about it, where the elite of Athens and all the
other islands, Iona and Attica, they’d agreed amongst themselves to have wars every so often to, number
one, benefit the bankers because they have to buy new weapons after the vanquished all died and so on,
and to keep the populations down, so they had these regular wars going on and they decided before who
was going to declare victory for the history books.
Jackie: And so what’s new today?
Alan: There’s nothing new.
Jackie: There’s nothing new under the sun.
Alan: Carroll Quigley said that wars are actually fought to achieve social change.
Jackie: Remember Norman Dodd from the Carnegie Foundation? He read it right in their notes when he
went to get their notes and they said well they’re all stored away because once the U.S. joined the UN our
work was done. In there he read in their minutes of their meetings, early 1900’s, where would be – well, first
of all, the question was asked: Is there any way to change a society, or what would we call it, any better
way other than war? And they came up with: no, war is the way. If you want it never to return to the way it
was, you have a war; and then they decided, well, let’s see. Where should we have that war then? Oh, the
Balkans would be a good place because that’s the place that’s already filled with unrest. Now they planned
this 1906, Alan, and the First World War broke out, what, in 1913?
Alan: 1914.
Jackie: Okay. Oh, that’s right. Now I don’t know if this is true, but I have read it, that they decided that they
did not want to have that first war until the Federal Reserve Act was passed in the U.S.
Alan: That is true.
Jackie: And then the American people can pay for the war.
Alan: That’s right. Mandell House basically said that. He’s often called the man who lived through five
presidents because he advised five presidents.
Jackie: He was Wilson’s alter ego, wasn’t he?
Alan: Wilson was a puppet. Even some of the memoirs of those around him admitted that.
Jackie: He was prideful.
Alan: And he wasn’t very bright.
Jackie: And they stroke him, give him some money and give him a nice, big, huge, impressive home. That’s
what it took for him. That’s all it took for him.
Alan: That’s right. He was the most boring speechmaker ever, apparently. However, Mandell House was
called “The Park Bench Politician.”
Jackie: Yes, because he used to sit out on the park bench telling them what to do.
Alan: And you know why?
Jackie: No.
Alan: Remember he wrote a novel called “Philip Dru: Administrator”
Jackie: Yes, I read it.
Alan: He’s even got himself in the novel in a place called Mandell House and in the novel, which was written
around 1912, he says a group of powerful men set up an invisible government and buy politicians to front for
them.
Jackie: Alan, we have to take our break and the music is playing. We’ll pick this up on the other side. All
right, folks, we’re back with you. Alan Watt is our guest tonight and as usual, I don’t know about for you, but
we wend ourselves into conversations that are so fascinating and so enlightening that – Alan, thanks for
coming on with me.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Okay. We were talking about Mandell House. You were talking about the book he wrote. That was in
1912, two years before the First World War and an administrator.
Alan: He said that special advisers would be the real powers behind the man that the public sees as a
president or prime ministers because they were taking over the world and in the novel one of the presidents
starts to get uppity and believe he really is the president so they had to take him down a few pegs. Now the
message the big boys used, and believe this or not, this is 1912, was to install tape recorders – tape
recorders before they were invented, by the way, and they taped all his conversations and then exposed
some of it to the public, to the media that then criticized the president and that brought him back into line.
Jackie: Now where did you ever read this that they had tape-recorded him?
Alan: It was in his novels.
Jackie: Oh my God, Alan, you’re right. “Philip Dru: Administrator.”
Alan: That is why Mandell House was called “The Park Bench Adviser,” because he always talked to the
press or everybody else on a park bench where no one could tape him. Now this is before the public ever
heard or saw a tape recorder and these guys always have advance sciences way ahead of what the public
know.
Jackie: You know I remember reading and I think this was in Doug Reed’s book, “Controversy of Zion,”
Edward Mandell House actually was running the government and he would have meetings with high people
from other countries in his apartment. There was one time when Woodrow Wilson the President was in there
and some ambassador or something came into Mandell House’s apartment and he excused the president
from the room.
Alan: I can believe it.
Jackie: And after that I think is when Woodrow Wilson was just pretty much you know done.
Alan: He served his purpose and he tried to set up the League of Nations and that was one of his main jobs.
Jackie: No he didn’t.
Alan: No.
Jackie: But he was credited with it.
Alan: Yes, he was a front man.
Jackie: Remember before it was the League of Nations it was called The League to Enforce Peace.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: The League to Enforce Peace.
Alan: Doublespeak, yes, but isn’t it amazing that even in that novel he gives you the fact that there are men
behind the scenes who are big multi, multi-billionaires who then employ the advisers and train the advisers.
The advisers tell the presidents and prime ministers what really is the future because they plan the future
like a business plan and then they use that exact same technique of bringing down a president with Nixon.
The same technique, they bugged the whole White House with tape recorders.
Jackie: Now we were told that Nixon was playing tapes because he wanted to write is memoirs.
Alan: That’s the story, but at the time they actually said before they came up with that it was for another
reason.
Jackie: Oh, in other words, that’s why they had the tape. That was the justification. You’re right because in
the book “Henry Kissinger” that is addressed exactly what you just said the way they hid. They actually
bugged his office.Alan, it was unbelievable the way they set that man up.
Alan: Yes and as I say it’s more incredible that somebody wrote about that technique around 1912 and even
tape recorders before the public ever heard of a tape recorder.
Jackie: Well, see I need to read that book again because I read it quite a few years ago. I don’t mean like
20 years ago but before I was really seeing, Alan. I mean it was intense enough reading it then but I can’t
imagine what I would see when I read it the second time.
Alan: That’s right. It’s amazing how much is out there to the public and the public don’t see it and that’s
what they call “the mocking of the victim” in Masonry. They will put something out there. It’s not up to them
if you understand it or not. It’s a form of legality that they have shown you, and stupid you if you didn’t
catch on.
Jackie: A form of legality. That’s exactly what’s happening right now with the Terri Schiavo case.
Alan: Yes it is.
Jackie: It’s all legal. It’s all the courts, the law. I mean of course they’re lying at every turn because the law
is there that prohibits what they’re doing but that doesn’t even matter, Alan.
Alan: As I say, it’s a Masonic “must be” and nothing will stop it because this was planned to go through. It’s
got to go down in the books as precedence. It gives them the right then to decide by the courts who will live
and die and also what they determine as quality of life will go down on the books.
Jackie: They get the man on the streets saying – I think I told you this, that when I talked to Jody about
this and she asked me what I thought about it, but before she got my answer she said, you know, mom, I
wouldn’t want to live like her, would you? And Alan, Jody is a very compassionate person, so this gives me
glimpse of how slick they are, so I began to tell Jody first of all that she wouldn’t even be in that condition if
she had ever had any therapy. I mean it goes on and on and on, Alan.
Alan: I know. There was a woman on a show here not long ago who had a massive stroke–
Jackie: That was Kate Adamson probably.
Alan: I know that she’s doing well now and she can talk coherently and so on.
Jackie: But the point I was making is this: In the face of all the evidence that is out there, what they keep
saying is they keep pushing this into peoples minds, “I wouldn’t want to live like that, would you?”
Alan: In a vegetative state.
Jackie: In a vegetative state.
Alan: “Weapons of mass destruction,” over and over.
Jackie: These are not the people who are saying why don’t you let her die. I’ve had two or three people
write to me and say why don’t you leave it alone. Let her die. Don’t you have any compassion?
Alan: Yet, here you are, being taken through a High Masonic psychodrama. This is what this production is
and they have the public doing exactly as they’re trained to do, debate A and B, and they’re all at each
other’s throats over it and yet none of the public have been there themselves. They’ve taken everything from
the media, which is very little, and made decisions and giving their passive assent to this.
Jackie: That is exactly the point, that everything they do they wind up getting the – they call it the
“mandate”, the people’s mandate, and that’s how they do it.
Alan: That’s right and the public have no idea that this now gives the government a rubber band, which can
be stretched and stretched, called their decision on quality of life and what a vegetative state is.
Jackie: And you know what? I am just totally changing the subject on us, but every single one of our
listeners, we can make a difference and basically the opportunity arises almost every single conversation we
have with anybody and the thought that just came to my mind. Amber called me Easter Sunday and she said
happy Easter mom and I said well happy Ishtar, honey, and she said what does that mean and I began to
tell her and I said go into the internet because they do the computer stuff and I said you’ll find this very
fascinating. We talked about the egg. You know bunnies don’t lay eggs. Why do we have Easter eggs? Well,
because Ishtar hatched from an egg and somewhere in her mind this is going to stay there and what else
can we do? What more can we do? I shouldn’t say what else, but what more can we do than at every
opportunity offer an opportunity to our kindred brothers, sisters, to at least consider the truth. It’s like I said
last night, even though I knew when this hit mainstream the way it did, I knew that they were using it and
of course you see all the hooks and what they’re doing and knowing that I was doing exactly what they
wanted me to do, I did it, Alan, because I could not sit and say okay well they’re playing a game and I’m not
going to play that game with them. You cannot sit back and not do what you can because it wasn’t just Terri
anyway.
Alan: That’s what Joe Public doesn’t realize as they give their consent to this. This isn’t about one person.
This is the right of the government to decide from now on right into the future who can live and who can die
by a court order.
Jackie: And yet, while that is true, it is about one person; it is about Terri Schiavo, a woman who is being
murdered–
Alan: It’s a sacrifice at Easter time.
Jackie: …in plain sight of the entire world, Alan.
Alan: Yes, absolutely. I mean this is, as I say, set up the same way as when they shot Kennedy. They made
sure the whole world was watching. The whole world goes through the psychodrama. It has a shock effect
on the person, highly emotive, highly charged with emotion and the public are being led from beginning to
end through a chess game in which they don’t even know they’re participating because they’re giving their
approval.
Jackie: See, but I knew I was participating and I still did it and Alan – it isn’t that I wrestle with that, but I
think about how slick they are that they get us in these places where we’re damned if we do and we’re
damned if we don’t.
Alan: Yes I know and at the same time as everybody starts taking on the pros and cons and fighting with
each other about it all from the media, as it’s designed to do, as I say the most historical thing that’s
happened since the American Revolution just took place on the 23rd and no one knew.
Jackie: Without a shot being fired.
Alan: That’s right and that’s so typical.
Jackie: By the suits.
Alan: Yes, plus they have their sacrifice. They always have a sacrifice when they build a new structure and
this is it, at Easter time too. It’s perfect. It’s a beautiful Masonic script.
Jackie: This is a real window of opportunity for them, the whole thing, their own Masonic holidays and
probably astrologically it suited for what they did.
Alan: Yes and for the High Masons they still go by the Roman calendar where March is the beginning of
their year.
Jackie: Oh, okay. Happy New Year, guys, right?
Alan: That’s right and of course that’s the death – again, there’s always a death of something and there’s
the death of winter, the beginning of life. They’ve built a structure because they build forms, which are
systems. That’s what they mean by builders. They are builders. They’ve just built the new future of the
Americas so quietly and easily and distracted the public while they carried out their sacrifice, which is only
the first one of many to come.
Jackie: There have been many before her. It just happened to be the one that came out.
Alan: Yes, so this is your typical skilled Masonic ceremony and we all went through it and very few people
realized it.
Jackie: All right. Now you know what I would like to do? Well, this is a real downer, you know, what we’ve
been talking about. I don’t mean it’s a downer because anytime we are brought into understanding we
actually should celebrate but this is very difficult and sounding almost hopeless, Alan, so let’s talk about the
other side of the face of this coin that what they envision, what is happening does not have to happen if
enough people wake up to it, but it isn’t just waking up to this lie. It’s waking up to the religious lies that
we’ve been told.
Alan: It’s the entire system which we call reality and normality.
Jackie: On that other level, on the other dimension, the other frequency, you know I have a tendency to
think out there when I think different levels or frequencies and I have to keep reminding myself that it is all
one, but doesn’t it come down to, Alan, right now it appears to me that there are almost people choosing up
sides. It isn’t consciously, like okay I’m on this side. It’s people doing the right thing for the right reason and
I think about Terri Schiavo and I think about the outpouring of love because everybody who was standing
with Terri and doing whatever they could to stop this slaughter, this sacrifice, I think that there is something
magnificent out of this that each and every one of these people experienced love that is unfathomable. Love
of a person that they don’t even know and there is something very beautiful about that and it has occurred
to me that this could turn the tide when people understand that love is the power and all that there really is
that is real, Alan.
Alan: Well, the key – see, this is the strange thing because they give you all your holy books but they
always leave the truths in there because they’re so legalistic. They tell you the antidote to the system and
they tell it to you in the New Testament, which has been refurbished a few times. However, they tell you if
you have so much goods and so on, give them away. If someone is in need, help them and have the faith
that when you need something someone will help you. You see that’s the only antidote to their system
because their system is based on a substitute for all of that, and it’s called money, and that was the first
trick that was ever pulled–
Jackie: In other words, do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Alan: Yes. In other words, use your humanity. There is no humanity in a monied system. It can only be an
elite that manages the whole con game and the rest of the people who are generally fairly poor and because
it’s a profit-making thing based on usury, everyone is born with a function to work at a job and job is from
the Bible. Job was persecuted by his deity and that’s why you get a job. If you’re one of the higher-ups you
get a salary, you see, but if you’re are a worker (and most people are trained to be workers) you get a job;
and this is all Masonic of course in its esoteric meanings and that’s why the Masons have that Bible in the
temples. However, the fact is, the antidote is also there if the people decided to use their humanity and say
we’re not going along with this system anymore.
Jackie: And do you know what? I really believe this, that within each and every one of us there is a place
that we know. I other words, even people let’s say who make a decision based on, well, it doesn’t seem right
but after all I’ve got four mouths to feed. See what I’m saying? That if somebody sees that it is wrong and
understands that it is wrong they don’t do it. They don’t take into their realm of consideration of this, well, I
have to do this because otherwise how am I going to feed my family, and there’s where the faith comes in
that you were just talking about. You do the right thing for the right reason and doors will open but you
have to just know that, Alan.
Alan: Yes, but the whole problem in a monied system, it’s a dog-eat-dog from the top and the reason that
we worship – and society does, they worship multimillionaires and that’s what they call success. That’s why it
doesn’t matter how they get there, as long as they get there; and this trickle-down theory is more of a
bunch of pariahs on every level having to eat off the guy beneath you in this trickle-down system, and when
everything goes up in price you have to shaft the guy below you to make up what you had before.
Jackie: So in other words, okay, you shaft them.
Alan: You shaft them. He shafts you.
Jackie: If you didn’t add something to what you’re selling.
Alan: It doesn’t matter. You see, this whole system–
Jackie: No, but I’m looking at it within that. It isn’t like they consciously feel that they’re shafting somebody
because they have certain overhead and in order to meet the overhead they charge what they charge.
Alan: This system is based on a fallacy and it’s based on deceit by very clever people who’ve been taught
this many thousands of years ago how to run this system and we call this system, which is completely
inhumane. People do not live their lives. They run and race and worry through it. They don’t live but we call
this system humane and the guy who’s your neighbor to your left, he might have the same medical problem
as you neighbor to the right, but the guy on the left doesn’t have as much money and so he get’s a few pills
that will probably give him an ulcer or something or make him bleed to death, but the guy on the right has
more bucks so his life will be saved. We call this normal and we call this is humane society. There’s nothing
humane in it. There’s nothing humane in this system. It’s a corrupt evil system and it was from the
beginning.
Jackie: Well that comes back once to us, each and every one of us, Alan, and we can talk about the corrupt
system and then the question is are we going to be part of it?
Alan: Yes, and if you are going to be part of it–
Jackie: Well, I don’t mean forced into like okay you have to have a driver’s license, but I’m talking about
doing what you know in your heart – it’s like people who work for Children Family Services. They go into
people’s homes and they steal children and they say well I was only doing my job. This is what I’m talking
about, Alan.
Alan: And those cops at Schiavo’s thing that were arresting the children that were trying to take water –
they were just doing their job; and when they take you in to kill you, they’ll tell you the same thing. You see
there’s an evilness through segments of society and I don’t care how it’s glossed over, ultimately the
individuals are well aware of what they’re doing.
Jackie: It’s the human being or a human condition maybe or whatever you call it that they know human
nature and they know what seduces people, but somewhere – we’ve got about four minutes left. I want to
say something that you said a long time ago and well I liked it and maybe I liked it because I know it’s true
but what you say means something and we were talking about people wakening up, I mean enlightened,
spiritual consciousness and I asked you one time how many do you think it will take? And you said not really
very many because there aren’t many of them.
Alan: That’s a fact.
Jackie: Yes because the light into the darkness is where that shines away that evil.
Alan: Really at the top they estimate there is only three percent who run the world.
Jackie: And so enough of us who stand in every way that we can that we stand for right, in other words,
Alan, and if it isn’t right we know it because there’s something in us that niggles us and we get the warning
and say, no, don’t do that, and then we’re either going to go with that because we accept and know or we’re
going to say don’t bother me conscience. Don’t bother me because I have to do this just this one time
because then I’ll get that promotion.
Alan: And if you’re part of the team and you’re all there in the same uniform, because a whole bunch are
doing the wrong thing doesn’t mean that you have to. People are making decisions all time you know and it
doesn’t wash, the excuse doesn’t wash that it’s the law or I’m only following orders. That does not wash.
That does not wash at all. They know who they are and what they’ve done and that doesn’t go on forever.
There’s always a balance to the scale and when evil gets too low it must perish. It must be destroyed and it
will.
Jackie: Evil can only be destroyed by the light.
Alan: The evil also turns on itself at a certain time.
Jackie: Oh, that’s good. Do you want to talk about that tomorrow night?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: Evil turning on itself. Will you write that down?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Folks, we’ll be back with you tomorrow night with Alan. We’ll just pick up with this conversation
where it left off.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
May 2, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is
Monday and it is the 2nd of May already in the year 2005 and we had snow flurries this afternoon. I wonder
what your weather is like, folks. It sure doesn’t feel like May. We had one day that was 80 and a few very
nice days, but other than that, this is not spring. Not here, not yet, except the birdies say so, so maybe it is.
Let me do our spiritual message right now and then we’ll bring our guest up. This is from John 4 beginning
with verse 4.
“Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than
he that is in the world.”
And in verse 7:
“Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God and everyone that loves is born of God and knows God.
He that loves not, knows not God for God is love.”
That is the only thing in this physical world that I see that is real, ladies and gentlemen. I’m not saying that
because I say it is so, that in my mind and in my heart there’s nothing real here other than love and our
expressions of love to one another and to ourselves. And Alan Watt is with us again this evening. Alan, thank
you so much.
Alan: Yes, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Well, I was outside doing stuff today and I get really I guess what it is is because it’s staying light
longer and I’m not a clock-watcher so I kind of judge the time by what the darkness is. I’m going to have to
quit doing that because I keep getting – you were very gracious to come on with two minutes notice.
Alan: It’s no problem. We’ve got the same weather this way.
Jackie: Same weather?
Alan: Yes, it was sleet and snow for a while.
Jackie: Today?
Alan: They’re standardizing the weather.
Jackie: Yes, along with frozen pizza, Alan.
Alan: Yes and the rest of the continent.
Jackie: Well, it was very short notice when I called you of course and I really didn’t have anything in
particular in mind to talk about. Is there anything that you would like to discuss with or bring up for our
listeners tonight?You know I don’t have a real good voice level on you. I suppose you haven’t done anything
different, have you?
Alan: No.
Jackie: And I suppose we’ll hear a click a little later on, then your voice level will come up.
Alan: There’s always so much going on behind the scenes because most of the politics that we’re given is
just drama and the gossip they lay out on the politicians and so on to keep the people busy, but the agenda
that was written a long time ago, to not only unite the continent, but to unite the planet under a particular
system, is rushing full steam ahead. Of course everybody’s been kept so busy running as the buying power
of their money decreases, so they’re running faster and faster to get all these toys they’re supposed to have
according to what they’ve been told that’s their standard of living. However, since we’re not the producers
anymore, the manufacturers, it hasn’t dawned on most people that the system as it is now is not meant to
last for very long. It’s a “service industry” they call it and that’s what they told Britain as well when they
united them into Europe, that they would become a service industry.
Jackie: The U.S. is a service industry too.
Alan: Yes. In fact, I’ve got books from the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the CFR (it’s both the
same club), because you don’t want to have the royal in front of the American name so they called the CFR,
but their 1937 meeting held in Australia, their annual meeting, in there the Minutes of the meetings are
there, with the speeches and everything, and one of the speakers said that they would set up China to be
the manufacturer for the world, in 1937.
Jackie: We were talking about this and you had mentioned – Alan, thank you for bringing this up tonight.
You know when we have conversations off-air so often and I don’t say it, like I used to do, I wish we were
doing this on the air, but our last conversation and I thought oh my goodness I wish our listeners could hear
this. We were talking about this and you mentioned why they chose the Asian people and would you explain
this to our listeners what you did last night? And I’ll tell you I’m going to turn my mike down. I’m going to
run out and grab a robe because it’s chilly where I’m sitting so I’ll be back. Okay, thanks Alan.
Alan: If we look down through history, pretty well every country on the planet has been invaded over and
over and over by one group or another; but the one that’s the least invaded and left alone has been China.
I used to wonder why they left China to be such a pure race, compared to all the rest of the peoples whom
they mixed up through invasions and so on. Then you look at the culture of China and I thought well what’s
different about the culture? Well, they’ve never known what we call freedom of any kind. Not that we’ve had
really much freedom in the last few hundred years, but they also are a mass man. In the sociological books
you can get from any university library, where they have the different cultures delineated and broken down
into traits and so on, you’ll find the Chinese like – actually don’t mind being in a crowd. They like to “rub
shoulders” as they say in the books with their fellow man; whereas of course the Western people like their
distance from each other, “don’t invade my space” type of thing. They, although not so much in the last
1,500 years they have not been an inventive people, prior to that, inventions were in China. They had
detection devices for earthquakes 2,500 years ago. I wondered why all these main invaders gave China this
big passage of clearance, including Napoleon who said let the sleeping dragon sleep. No one wanted to
invade China and it wasn’t because China was well armed or anything. In fact it was mainly a peasant class
catering to the few nobility across the whole length and breadth of the country and it’s been that way for a
couple of thousands years. Even though they’re not an inventive people, they can certainly mimic what
they’re given very, very well.
Jackie: They can what?
Alan: Mimic. They can copy very well what they’re given. If you look as the history as it’s unfolded, Western
Europe primarily was used for the last couple of hundred years or more to go through an industrial era of
intense misery for the general population, especially in factory towns. During that time we developed
machinery et cetera and then we went through the electronic revolution, technological revolution; and now
that we’ve completed our mission basically, apart from conquering the last of the Moslems to bring into the
system, they’ve quite candidly through the GATT treaties and so on handed all of what were American or
what we thought was American and Canadian and British and German and so on companies. They’ve handed
them lock, stock and barrel over to China. They set them up and they moved them, complete factories.
Jackie: Yes. And did you say while I was gone what you said about why they chose the Chinese?
Alan: Because the Chinese as I say are perfect for this era, perfect to be the manufacturers.
Jackie: And why is that?
Alan: In an advanced type of manufacturing. They didn’t invent anything in that manufacturing. However,
they didn’t have to. We simply handed it over once we had basically perfected technology and simplified it to
its basic form.
Jackie: But you also mentioned their work habits.
Alan: The Chinese are known to be so obedient to their masters for thousands of years that they’d work all
day and half the night if need be and nothing has changed, really, even though it’s communistic run. They
don’t have a culture where there’s a lot of kindness between each other to help each other out either, so
they’re divided to an extent in that respect. They’re ideal workers for this particular era, and very, very
cheap too, to be the manufacturers for the whole planet. When you look back on things you can see the plan
and you can smell the plan actually for hundreds of years. In the later books in the 1900’s and the 20th
century and into the present day, you actually see it all happening and been written down that this was
going to happen. We’ve lived through the transfer of technology to China with the factories lock, stock and
barrel. I used to wonder why would the West be training thousands of engineers of all kinds in the western
universities for the last 30 years when they were supposedly your prime enemy, they were communists, but
all of these engineers have been trained in Canada.
Jackie: So these are Chinese people?
Alan: Yes, coming to Canada, Britain, Europe and so on, and getting the education for machinery—which
they did not yet have. Of course, since about 1990, we’ve seen the exodus after the GATT treaty of all the
machinery, which they had been trained to use but didn’t have, we saw it all transferred to China. Now
everything is made in China.
Jackie: You know this is something that was brought to my attention and I suppose maybe many people
have considered this, but until it had, it was during the NAFTA thing. I had never thought about it, but
during the Depression there were plenty of people to work and there were plenty of people to purchase or
manufactured items and food goods that were produced on the farms et cetera. But the Depression was
simply the withdrawal of course of the drawing in of the money, just the way the story goes in the Old
Testament in Genesis when Joseph gathered up all the money and took it to the pharaoh. But there were
the factories sitting there, Alan, you see, and so that when they decided they’d start trickling money back in,
well, today there are no factories sitting. They have not just moved the manufacturing. They have moved all
of the factories and either flattened the buildings or I guess they’ve just demolished the factories, period, so
it isn’t a situation like it was after the Depression.
Alan: Yes, because they know that they were not going to use them ever again.
Jackie: You mentioned service industry. When I remember hearing about that, I thought well everybody’s
going to be doing what? What do they mean by this?
Alan: There’s an esoteric meaning to all the words in the English language.
Jackie: Well, say what it means to you.
Alan: “Ice” always means when you put something on ice, it means to stop it, to cease it, you see. Service
is to “SERVE ICE,” you see. Just like they “park” continents down through history and leave them and go
back to them.
Jackie: Yes, but they’re talking about a service economy, so the actual meaning of the word is just, oh, stop
the economy?
Alan: To stop the whole thing because we are now unneeded. We’re unnecessary. That’s why they’re rewilding
the areas around people in the country, while those people are still alive, they’re putting in carnivores
and predators. I mean that’s telling you something. That’s telling you that shortly there is not going to be
those people living in the country.
Jackie: Well then think about – what I wondered is how would people have work and of course today
millions don’t. But in the Protocols it’s just amazing. I’ve been scanning them lately and you know every now
and then you do that and you pick up things – of course I had already had this circled and highlighted but
it’s just a reminder. So when you think about it there are government jobs and there will be the people who
will be spying on all the people. It’s exactly like Orwell’s “1984,” Alan.
Alan: That’s been happening for a long time.
Jackie: I know, but it’s really getting obvious today. I mean it’s blatant to people that have never read
“1984” or really thought about what’s going on. It’s been the ‘slowly boiling frog syndrome.’ Well, they’re
nuking the frog now. I mean this isn’t just fast cooking. It’s nuking the frog.
Alan: They’ve been spraying us like bugs from the sky pretty well daily for the last few years and this stuff
supposedly has aluminum and barium in it, which are used for clotting agents for wounds and things.
Jackie: For what?
Alan: For any kind of wound or hemorrhage.
Jackie: Barium and what?
Alan: Aluminum oxide.
Jackie: And it’s used for what?
Alan: You can use them for clotting agents if something is bleeding.
Jackie: Do you put it on the wound?
Alan: Yes, you put it on a wound.
Jackie: Okay, I think I’ve heard of that, Alan.
Alan: If you see that in Canada for instance and in other countries now for the last couple of years, the
government is putting out ads warning people on the signs and symptoms of strokes. Now we’ve got young
people coming down with strokes all over the place, which is again a clot, you see, lodged basically in the
brain.
Jackie: Haven’t there been a lot of young athletes dying suddenly that have been strokes or heart attacks?
Alan: People are getting sick. They have these hacking coughs they can’t get rid of and those who aren’t
affected, as yet, eventually will be because everyone’s got a tolerance level as they ingest this stuff, breathe
this stuff in and drink it, because it’s in everything. It’s in the food, the water and in the air we breathe, so
eventually it will come to a crisis point and I’ve no doubt as we go through a rising death toll we’ll still see
the same familiar faces on TV and the same comedies and Joe Blow will think well everything must be okay
because it seems the same on the TV.
Jackie: You know that terrible cough I’ve had lately? I mean I’ve had that on and off for a long time but
sometimes it’s gone and sometimes it isn’t. Well, I just have to say this because I want to share it with our
listeners too. I started taking my MSM again about five days ago Alan and it is clearing up amazingly. I’m not
doing anything else different. I haven’t been doing – I did a couple of days oil of oregano but boy I’ll tell you
and it’s always been my left lung whatever it is that I’ve had but it’s clearing up and I knew it would.
If our lungs are being damaged and there is a natural form of sulfur which the body requires in order to
function property which is missing and the body can reproduce those healthy cells, the body could repair
damaged lungs.
Alan: I wouldn’t agree with you.
Jackie: Well, that’s okay. You don’t have too.
Alan: I’ll tell you why: Because as you’re being poisoned, you see they’re laying this stuff on thick and
they’re not letting up on it to let you heal, and it’s in the ground water. When the snow melted this year
there was three inches of this ‘candy cane’ type stuff all over the fields, which was the drying residue of a
few months of accumulation of spraying that was in the snow; and on the first day of the sun it starts to go
down and then when it dries it turns back into its chemical parts, white powders. We’re being sprayed like
bugs, like roaches.
Jackie: Yes, but what does that got to do with you don’t agree that what? You don’t agree that anything
could heal the lungs?
Alan: How can you heal something as you’re being poisoned all the time?
Jackie: I don’t know.
Alan: It can’t happen.
Jackie: Well okay, let’s put it this way. Let’s say if that wasn’t an ongoing onslaught the healing could
happen and possibly think about this, Alan. Without it, maybe the damage continues until the person drops,
so maybe it at least keeps them a modicum of health.
Alan: If they want to try it they can try it.
Jackie: I don’t sell MSM, Alan. I have nothing to gain here, honey.
Alan: As you’re being poisoned, it’s like getting a transfusion in one arm with the cut wrist on the other.
Jackie: Yes, okay, I want to share something else with you and our listeners but you also. When my mom
was told that she had a cancer on her vocal cord, they did radiation therapy on it. Is that what you call it?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Ladies and gentlemen, as you know, our guest is Alan Watt and I apologize for the time that I’ve
taken away from because Alan is our guest tonight but we’ll talk about MSM another time. Alan, thank you.
We have a caller who has a couple of questions for Alan. Alan, do you accept my apology?
Alan: For what?
Jackie: No, not you, Allen. Alan Watt. Well just because I’ve been talking so much.
Alan: It’s all right. It’s actually yours.
Jackie: No, you’re my guest, so do you accept my apology?
Alan: Yes, sure.
Jackie: Allen is on the air from Michigan and he wants to ask you a couple of questions. Allen from
Michigan, are you aware that you’re going to have to hang up to hear his answer?
Allen: I didn’t ask the question yet.
Jackie: I know but I wanted to know if you know that.
Allen: Yes. I liked to know why Billy Graham was picked by William Randolph Hearst and the second
question. Does he know anything about the Masonic lodges where they’re dated when they’re put up and
established, they’re dated Anno Lucis. Does he know anything about that?
Jackie: Okay Alan, did you get both of those questions?
Alan: A bit on the Hearst thing was a bit fuzzy.
Jackie: Okay. Do the Billy Graham question again, Allen.
Allen: I wanted to know why Billy Graham was picked by William Randolph Hearst to be America’s preacher,
and the other question was does he know anything about Masonic lodges being dated by Anno Lucis, like
5526 A.L. Anno Lucis?
Jackie: Do you understand that question Alan?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Okay. He’s going to hang up so he can hear you.
Alan: That’s after Lucifer’s fall, supposedly, meaning the light coming down and it’s the same story as
Prometheus bringing the wisdom down, the light, the torch, the fire to those who could accept it. Of course
the Masons claim that around 4,000 BC that’s when the plan to change the world—the ways of living from a
natural system into their system—began, which is to culminate with the evolution of man worldwide through
physical and scientific means, which is exactly what they’re coming to.
Jackie: This is on Masonic lodges as the date, yes?
Alan: Yes. They have two dates. They have the one that was built and then they have the same date plus
about 4,000 years.
Jackie: And that was after the fall of Lucifer?
Alan: Or Prometheus. It’s the same story.
Jackie: Okay, but Lucifer being the fallen angel, yes?
Alan: Yes. The light bringer.
Jackie: Oh here you come, Alan.
Alan: Did it go up?
Jackie: Oh, it’s wonderful.
Alan: Maybe the operator was getting interested.
Jackie: You know what, that could very easily be whatever it was. Thank you, whoever upped that volume.
Alan: Then as far as Hearst goes, Hearst was not just a self-made man. All these big boys are put in place.
They’re trained for what they’re to do because their job is to control the minds of the people and they do it
through media. Media is an arm of government. It’s an essential arm of government. You can’t mind control
the people without it, and as long as the people think it’s free and independent, they get suckered and they
believe in it. Hearst of course picked Billy Graham because Billy Graham is a 33-degree Freemason and he’s
been open about that in the last couple of years, and of course freemasons as Napoleon, as Benjamin
Franklin said, and many others: “When I’m in the Middle East, I’m a Mohammedan. When I’m in London, I’m
a Christian, et cetera, et cetera.” In other words, they could be whatever they want, you see. Billy Graham’s
job, as any high priest has always been down through the many centuries, is to once again control the minds
of the people. That’s his job. He’s a multibillionaire probably but he’s a 33-degree Freemason. At least that’s
the Scottish Rite.
Jackie: Or maybe even higher.
Alan: Well, “life begins at 40,” so he’s probably over the 40th degree into a higher lodge.
Jackie: Is that what that means, Alan?Life begins at 40. In other words, when you hit the 40th degree–
Alan: You start to get the truth. Below that, under the 32nd degree it’s a camouflage even for the people
involved at the bottom, who truly do think it’s a self-improvement society. There’s charitable work but if
you’re involved in any kind of mind control, which is media, even a local newspaper, the Grand Master will
pull you out of the lodge and tell you to be at a certain place at a certain night and he will take you to the
Black Lodge, where you go up higher, you see. Those in the Blue Lodge won’t even know that it exists. This
is what they do. They pick out the ones who are useful for mind control primarily, or politics or whatever,
and they thrown them up through the higher degrees.
Jackie: And many of them reach their high levels of politics because of their ready status as a freemason?
Alan: Absolutely. They’ve proven their worth. You see, the workman must prove his worthiness, which
means that you can keep your mouth shut and follow orders. That’s what it means. A Mason is avowed to
instantly obey the order of a superior Mason without hesitation and he must immediately reserve all his
moral conscience to himself and obey it. These guys have been involved through petty little scams and so on
at the bottom to see if they can keep their mouths shut, and, if they can, they get up the ladder into the
bigger scams.
Jackie: Oh. They test them?
Alan: They’re tested constantly. That’s even in some of their older manuals.
Jackie: How high up do you have to get before you quit being tested?
Alan: Once you’re up to at least the 96th.
Jackie: And there’s nobody above 96?
Alan: There’s 360 degrees in a circle.
Jackie: Alan, are you being serious right now?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: We say, “he’s a 33rd degree Mason.” Now is that in any book that there are 360 degrees of
Freemasonry?
Alan: What they do is they hint at it all the time.
Jackie: It makes sense.
Alan: They hint at it all the time. The OTO, which is the Ordo Templi Orientis, which is a French version
supposedly of the Templars, which really is German, and they go up to about 96 degrees and that is official.
Aleister Crowley that worked for MI6 in England and everybody in the MI6 had to be a freemason according
to Peter Wright who wrote “Spycatcher.” He’s the only guy that wasn’t a Mason.
Jackie: But it was actually made public that he was 96 degrees?
Alan: Aleister Crowley, yes.
Jackie: And Aleister Crowley wasn’t yet at the top?
Alan: Oh no. He was a good workman. He did his job. Anybody in the public eye will be at least up to 96
degrees. After that, it’s more invisible.
Jackie: Is this researchable for people?
Alan: If you really want to go on the trail for it, you can.
Jackie: You know I’m not accusing you of saying something like you’re lying here or something, but this is
something I’ve never heard before and I have a sense that there are listeners who will definitely want to
research this.
Alan: It’s all based on the sun.
Jackie: In other words, I guess what I’m asking is: through your observation in all the other stuff that
you’ve learned, this is what you’ve deduced or is it actually written some place?
Alan: It’s written in occasional old books and many other books will actually hint at it because you’re
supposed to figure it out for yourself. That’s why they say that the profane will never catch on.
Jackie: So you’re not the profane, huh, Alan?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Does that mean you’re one of them?
Alan: Oh no. Everything is circular and of course it’s based on the movements of the sun going through the
zodiac and so on, and the planets going round the sun. Well, what does round mean? It means go around in
a complete circle, one revolution, and of course they give you all the visible symbols of the serpent eating its
tail et cetera but most people don’t catch on.
Jackie: The serpent eating its tail.
Alan: Of course theosophy has that on its logo.
Jackie: What does that signify?
Alan: They give you different meanings depending on what category or degree you’re in; and Albert Pike
admits that, that the guys in the lower degrees must not necessarily know the meanings of the rituals and
words but they must think that they know. As they get up they say, well, all that stuff they told you before
was just nonsense.
Jackie: But what does it signify to them?
Alan: Partly eternity, and they’ll you that at the lower degrees it’s eternal. It’s their power for eternity, by
the way, but in the higher degrees of course you start to – if you look at sun dial or anything and you say
wait a minute, it’s round here and it’s all marked off in degrees, why would it stop at 96? It doesn’t.
Jackie: Okay, that makes sense.
Alan: Mind you, too, it’s admitted today that if you have the money and you have some kind of import as I
say in society with your views and opinions, even a column writer for a newspaper, they can take you from
nothing and put you up to a 32nd degree freemason in a matter of a couple of weeks, if you pay, because
you pay all the time you see. The 33rd degree is honorary and it’s after that of course that you really get
into the real stuff, if you’re asked.
Jackie: Do they get to a point where they have to disavow Jesus?
Alan: Well, sure because that’s all part of it. They will tell you themselves that all religions (and they kind of
boast about it) stemmed from the same solar cult thousands and thousands and thousands – actually almost
a million years ago; and prior to that, there was the stellar cult; and prior to that, there was the lunar cult.
That’s why the emblems they use come from all three, because they incorporated them all until they became
the solar cult.
Jackie: And it doesn’t mean that just because they use these emblems that the emblems themselves are
evil?
Alan: No.
Jackie: Exactly. I just wanted our listeners – I remember Chuck because he knew about this longer that I
did, but I noticed that for example they used the word light and he would highlight it when he would read it
in an article and he actually believed it to be evil because they used the word, and the same thing with these
symbols. The symbols themselves are not evil. It’s just that they symbolize something for them and they’re
evil, so we relate the symbol itself to evil.
Alan: Really, if you correlate the evil and the good symbols and you can figure it out, you’ll really find
they’re symbolizing the same thing. Although one’s supposed to be good and one is supposed to be evil,
which is the intent of mind control. It’s doublethink. It’s holding two opposite opinions in your head about
the same thing at the same time.
Jackie: Do you mean their symbols mean to them what the symbols mean to a good person?
Alan: Well, sure. I mean everyone’s been taught recently for instance that for instance what they think is
the Star of David, which isn’t, it’s got another meaning, but you think that’s a good symbol; all the Christians
do, or modern Christians.
Jackie: The Christian Zionists or Judeo-Christians.
Alan: It’s modern Christianity but they all belong to the World Council of Churches, which was started off by
David Rockefeller who’s a High Mason and Theosophist and he calls himself a world citizen. The whole idea
of getting all these churches to belong is the same theology being taught through all the different branches
of the church you see. They all teach the same thing, and of course, they don’t even notice the changes.
Jackie: You were going to talk about the Star of David.
Alan: That’s been taught to be good symbol and yet you find it in ancient India. I’m talking about ancient
India, long before there was any Hebrew or Habiru or whatever mentioned anywhere. It was used in India
long before that; so was the swastika and the swastika is simply a symbol of the sun with the feet in its
movements. That’s what it stands for.
Jackie: With its feet in its movement?What does that mean?
Alan: They always go on about: “if it’s reversed it’s Black Magic”; it’s all nonsense. It’s the direction the sun
appears to take as it walks across the sky; and that’s what they used to call the sun, “he who walks the sky,”
in ancient Egypt; or Luke Skywalker in the Star Wars movies. It’s all the same thing. We are told to “fear
this, but this is okay,” and of course in different times in history you might fear the one and like the other,
then they’ll reverse it and you don’t even notice the difference.
Jackie: It’s what they teach us to fear. You know, I think the number 13 is a real good example of that, that
people, oh, 13, and of course they use it all the time. I mean everything to them is 13 and 33 and et cetera
and of course we’re told that 13 is an unlucky number and they won’t put a 13th floor on an elevator.
Alan: That’s from Jacques DeMolay. He was burnt on the 13th on Friday.
Jackie: So I got to thinking, in their belief it’s a pretty dog gone powerful number so why should we fear it?
Alan: Yes, or walking under ladders or anything like that, but that’s where it all comes from. These are all
ancient symbols of Masonry as it progressed down through the ages.
Jackie: So we get afraid of what they teach us to be afraid of and they tell us what to like.
Alan: They can reverse it just as easily and we don’t notice – just like they reversed the cultures when they
wish to. During the Industrial Era they really threw Christianity at the people who were starving in the
industrial cities to keep them in line. You know, work hard at your 16 hours now for your pittance and you’ll
go to heaven. That’s what the religion did for the people in Europe at that time, especially Britain, and of
course once that job is over and no more industrialized it’s promiscuity time, just do what you want. That’s
how they do it and they go through these changes and the very generation that goes through the major
changes doesn’t even notice that now their beliefs in everything are upside down. However, Plato said that
was what they could do 2,500 years ago. It was so down pat 2,500 years ago that he could write about that,
about the techniques of culture creation coming from the top and the methods of implementing it through
the music, the arts, fashion, drama, plays et cetera.
Jackie: That reminds me of what we were talking about when you said they tell us what we like. You didn’t
say they tell us what to like. They tell us what we like.
Alan: And we believe it.
Jackie: And you explained to our listeners like the music thing. That never occurred to me, Alan.
Alan: As I’ve said before, that if the human brain has been the same for the last few hundred years at least,
then a teenager who is supposed to come into music around the age of around 13 to 15, and he has a
higher acuity of high tones and the low tones in music, the teenager should really like every type of music
that everyone 15 years of age has ever liked in history.
Jackie: Because the brain has not changed.
Alan: It hasn’t changed but they literally think, “my God this is fantastic stuff.” Their dad or their mom or
even their older sister or brother will say will listen to this. “Oh, I don’t want that. That’s old stuff,” and
everything that they hear on the radio that they listen to and the magazines they buy and so on is telling
them that: “This is your music,” and I’ve said because of that, at the moment, you’ve got people in the old
age homes who are listening to Walt Whitman and so on. Then you’re going to get the rockers coming in
who are geriatric tapping their feet to Pink Floyd and then eventually you’re going to get geriatrics who are
rappers, believe it or not.
Jackie: They’ll be sitting around listening to rap music because it was the good old days.
Alan: It was their time.
Jackie: It was their music and they still love it.
Alan: And to show you again how it’s all been sold from the top–
Jackie: These were given to us.
Alan: It’s given to you. Plato said it. He says no culture is permitted to come from the people themselves.
He says every cultural change comes from the top down and it’s always been that way. You know the BBC
were the ones in Britain. This is your government station. Everybody who staffed the BBC had to work for
Eaton or be at Eaton College. That was a class system you see and here they are pushing Benny Hill with his
almost nude dancers in the ’60’s and pushing the pop revolution. I said well why would an older generation
be pushing this on a government-financed TV station because it seemed to contradict everything that they’d
done to the people before, like be well-behaved et cetera, no promiscuity, and here they are completely
reversing it and it came from the top down; so that’s how it goes.
The Beatles were a formulated group. They did not own their own songs. There’s nothing real in show
business, regardless of what all the magazines say. That’s the magazine’s job, it’s to make you think it’s all
real, but the fact is these poor guys were picked and the songs were written by Theodore Adorno, one of the
top musicians or music masters you would say of the construction of music on the planet. He was a Talmudic
scholar as well, who could write a sentence that would be half a page long and he would tell you in the
beginning of his books that the average person will not be able to follow this sentence and keep grasp of the
theme to the very end, because he says we’ve dumbed the people down so much.
Jackie: Alan, with the television, how they have those three and four second shots and then it switches,
then it switches, then it switches. If that isn’t the perfect tool to really mess up a person’s ability to
concentrate and focus. How could anybody hold the attention for more than a few seconds?
Alan: I watched even my parents look at TVs like that and I could see them hypnotized.
Jackie: Yes, but I’m talking about a child who watches TV all the time.
Alan: Yes, we know the marketing companies actually do surveys on this because they’re targeting younger
and younger children all the time.
Jackie: You know even the adults, come to think of it, as you said, they can’t hold their attention to get
through a book or follow a thought.
Alan: No, they can’t. Bit and bites are all they can handle.
Jackie: It has to be in little short chunks.
Alan: You can’t extend the conversation on a particular topic without them losing track of where you were
going with it. Their attention span is getting smaller and smaller. However, as I say, the Beatles, everyone
thinks why do they call them the Beatles? Well, it’s the beat, you know; but it wasn’t just the beats. It was
from the Greek word Beatyl and it means sacred pillars or sacred stone. A sacred stone in masonry is the
perfectly-shaped ashlar or–
Jackie: A what?
Alan: An ashlar they call it.
Jackie: What is an ashlar?
Alan: An ashlar is a perfectly-shaped stone squared; so they take the round one, which is the natural one,
and they square it as a Mason. Of course that’s why in the ’60’s and ’70’s they called the people “squares” if
you were old fashioned and stiff upper lip and work ethic and so on; and so the Beatles were the sacred
stones. It’s also the same as the–
Jackie: The Rolling Stones?
Alan: The Rolling Stones were natural stones, so they came right out and sang about sex.
Jackie: And they rolled?
Alan: They did their roll-ups with their dope and all the rest of it. The Beatles of course, if you look at their
songs, were exoteric for the people and esoteric for the message, if you could grasp the messages. Why
would they knight Paul McCartney who helped bring in “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds”—LSD? Why the
royalty knight people who created disaster apparently across the country for so many people and a whole
culture? Because Paul McCartney was doing what he was supposed to do for that ruling class at the top.
What the Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away.
Jackie: What about Elvis Presley?What did he do?
Alan: He brought in the male sex thing, which was almost a pre-‘male stripper’, although fully clothed. Up
until that time, the man had to be the man, John Wayne type, but now they brought in a young guy and
said hey it’s okay to–
Jackie: Swivel your hips–
Alan: And do all that stuff and it’s also again hidden meanings as well. EL is the God.
Jackie: EL, E-L?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Elvis.
Alan: And the sixth coming race they call it, the next upgrade of mankind is to come (according to high
masonry and theosophy) and so you have EL and then you have VI, which is 6, and then S is to shape =
ELVIS. This is all codes language which the masons use all the time and we use these words all the time
too, because no one has explained to the people what it really means. The whole English was created.
Jackie: This is fascinating and I don’t think you’ve talked about this because you did it so long ago and
maybe next time you come on you could spend more time explaining this. You talked about the control of
the media. We’ll be back with you tomorrow night. Alan, thank you so much.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Bye-bye folks.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
May 10, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Tuesday I
just found out and it is the 10th of May in the year 2005. I was thinking it was Wednesday night.
Let me begin here with our spiritual message and then we’ll get started. Well, we are getting started, aren’t
we? This is from John 4 beginning with verse 4:
“Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them because greater is he that is in you, than he
that is in the world.”
“Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God and everyone that loves is born of God and knows God.
He that loves not, knows not God for God is love.”
I guess they should be substituting that word God for Creator because that word is becoming trivial when
you think about it, folks, with so many thousands of gods that have gone before.
Our guest this evening is Alan Watt and Alan once again joined us late notice, just because he’s gracious
enough to do that. I called Gary at 20 minutes to nine and said I wanted to make we’re on for the night and
so therefore I was not prepared with material. Alan and I have been discussing and have discussed the
merging of the Americas – of Canada and America and South America. It isn’t just Mexico, folks. Of course,
they’ll start with Mexico but the total plan here is to have another European Union. Alan, thank you once
again and thank you once again for coming on at such short notice, dear.
Alan: Yes, it’s no problem.
Jackie: Yes, thank you. You’re just a nice guy. Well, the national ID and you know I haven’t mentioned this
to our listeners and for our listeners who are not on the internet I don’t know if this has even been on the
news, Alan, but the House had passed an appropriations bill and it had a national ID stuck in this
appropriations bill. The Senate – I did do some searching this evening because I didn’t get any emails on it
and I figured I would if the Senate had passed it and what they said is that the Senate had removed, just
before they passed it, they did remove that section that would have created the national ID, but it has to go
to a conference committee now because the House Bill and the Senate Bill are different; different in the
thing can be stuck right back in during the conference committee. I don’t know if this is true or not, but one
of the emails I got it was going around the internet quite a bit for people who get this kind of mail and they
gave you a direct link for people to contact their U.S. Senators.
Even though we do know that the U.S. Congress – I don’t talk about what’s going on very much in
Washington, D.C. because it seems so futile, but they do get hoodwinked, even the bought-and-paid-for
ones et cetera, and evidentially there was enough outcry against this thing that they pulled it out of that bill.
One of the emails said that they’re receiving about five messages every – or a message every five seconds, I
think. I don’t remember, but a lot of them and a lot of well-known groups and organizations were spreading
the word on it, so it does pay, even though it seems futile, it does pay to let your voice be heard. At least it
holds them back for a minute or two, Alan.
Alan: Whatever they give you in public they always have two other plans, one on either side of it, which
immediately go into effect and generally with a word change or a different name it gets snuck in and the
public is looking at the one they’re trying to defeat.
Jackie: I know that yes absolutely.
Alan: This is standard and they’ve been talking about it since about 1990, gradually hyping up the need for
this card and the biometric companies of course are funding it and they’re lobbying the government all the
time. Of course, a lot of the guys in the government either worked at one time for the biotech companies
before they went into government or they will work when they leave government, and that’s how the whole
system works.
Jackie: Yes. They go right into the big corporations, don’t they?
Alan: I was looking at the board on Monsanto and every one is an ex-member of the House of Congress and
some have already gone into politics again, so they just revolve from government to multinational
corporations.
Jackie: Like revolving doors?
Alan: Yes and that’s the definition of fascism and that’s what it is. That’s why the two fasciae [fasces] are
there on either side of the Congress Hall. That’s their symbol. It will go through because it’s a “must be” as
they say in freemasonry. It’s a done deal.
Jackie: A must do?
Alan: It must be done and nothing will stop it basically. The companies that are to make it are already
basically got them made and we know that the governments themselves, since they’re all good Masons,
know not to ask questions from their higher-ups. That’s how Masonry works. You get ahead by not asking
questions. That way, you can’t be held responsible. You say “I don’t know, I didn’t know,” and you’ll still
obeying your master. That’s how the whole system works because none of these congressmen want to know
all of the details who’s really behind it and what the final outcome is going to be.
Jackie: Alan, you didn’t move away from your phone, did you?
Alan: No.
Jackie: Oh, your voice just went real faint there and you’ve been really nice and loud here I hope it’s just in
my headset. I pulled up an article tonight that was written by Ron Paul and I thought about this. Ron Paul’s
name, oh boy, everybody’s – in fact they want him to run for president and all that and I would just like to
say this to our listeners. Folks, you have to think for yourself. You have to use your logic and your reasoning
along with what you already know and anybody like this guy Ron Paul and somebody might get angry at me
for saying this but you will discover eventually that what I am saying is so. Ron Paul is a shill. He’s a phony
and the evidence is that he can talk about anything he wants to and he’s still a U.S. Congressman; and you
take a look at Jim Traficant who’s sitting in prison and Congressman George Hansen, I mean they railroaded
this guy because he was opposing the Federal Reserve System, the IRS et cetera. They picked him up off
the steps where he was giving a speech, I understand. This happened before I became involved but the man
was in prison for years and really his health was just totally shot by the time he got out and if they don’t put
them in prison they kill them. So if you for one minute think that Ron Paul is some kind of a hero, you need
to stop and think.
Look what they did to Senator Wellstone. Wasn’t it Wellstone, Alan? He said something real bad about the
Iraqi war and something I believe connected with Israel and he died in a small plane crash after that.
Alan: Well, accidents happen.
Jackie: Yes, right. Accidents happen. Well, I want to remind any of our listeners who think that Ron Paul is a
hero, because see, folks, he can introduce all kinds of good legislation and it makes him look good but just
know that he wouldn’t be able to mouth off like this – you know he exposes all this stuff and there he is
walking around and he’s still in the U.S. Congress. They call this the “real.” This is “REAL.” I don’t know what
it stands for but in the article that he wrote about this ID thing, he said, “establishes a massive centrally
coordinated database of highly personal information about American citizens,” as though they don’t have it
already, right? “At a minimum their name, date of birth, place of residence, social security number, physical
characteristics. The legislation also grants open-ended authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to
require biometric information on IDs in the future. This means you’re harmless looking driver’s license could
contain a retina scan, fingerprints, DNA information or radio frequency technology.” And then he goes on
about it. Anyway, I think it would be a good idea, folks, even if it holds them back for another 10 days or
whatever, but get a hold of your U.S. Senator and tell them to – even though this thing is going into
conference committee and they might not take part in it, but they should be lobbying their colleagues to not
add the national ID back in it; and who really should be told about this are the state legislators so that they
can be on their toes. Not that they are either; but dog gone it, if we just sat back and say everything is
futile, nothing is going to happen, you can bet your boots nothing will happen and maybe it gives us a little
bit more breathing room. For example, if you don’t have a passport, folks, you might want to get one before
this thing goes through because I believe what Alan is saying. I don’t disagree one minute. This is a done
deal. It just hasn’t been finalized, but by taking it out of that it has given us a little bit of breathing room. I
don’t know how long a passport if good for, but at least in the past if you let’s say have a driver’s license and
they make a change on it, they don’t make you get a new driver’s license, but when it comes to getting it
renewed, then you have to go along with all the changes. There’s a possibility that maybe getting a passport
now in case you want to do some traveling. I don’t know, Alan? And that bothers me that your voice level
got so low. It sounds like you’re real far away.
Alan: What I was going to say about this biometric is it also has your voice print on it. That’s another thing
that’s in the newspaper. They’ll have your voice print so that wherever you phone from, anywhere in the
continent, they’ll know it’s you. The computer will kick in.
Jackie: I don’t know why I laugh at that stuff; it isn’t funny.
Alan: This is how far they’re going with it all and they have most of the public trained already through using
these preferential shopping cards, where all your purchases are known and sold. The data is sold to
companies. The public don’t mind and so they’re used to swiping cards through the machines and so on and
they’re already for the next one, and of course there will be a blitz to tell the people how wonderful it will be.
Probably Oprah will have somebody on to tell you that, “They’ll find your children.” This is a step away from
the chip. That’s what it is, which won’t be in a card. It will be in the old turnip head, you know.
Jackie: Well, because people can lose their cards.
Alan: That’s right. Or it will be stolen and there will be a whole rash of people getting mugged for them and
out will come the next idea, which they’ve been really waiting to get at, how safe it would be to have this
put in you and “look, here’s a few people who’ve had it and they’re perfectly normal.” It’s a done deal that
way too, because they’ve copious amounts of material on that where they’re going to take it.
Jackie: Yes they have. We’ve got a call. Hello. You’re on the air.
Russ: It’s Russ. How you’re doing?
Jackie: Well Russ, it’s nice to hear from you.
Russ: I guess there is a delay coming over the internet–
Jackie: Yes there is.
Russ: …so I didn’t hear the last thing you were saying. You know Wellstone and Traficant were not
martyred until they were martyred, and you said we have to use our minds and think and discern for
ourselves; rather than being a respecter or a denigrator of persons, I listen to what they say. It is very
possible that Ron Paul will be martyred tomorrow morning.
Jackie: Okay Russ. Thank you. Good point. Although, let me say this to you about that. Ron Paul already
showed himself up a long time ago every time he voted for most favorite nation status for Communist China
and he also showed himself when he voted to legalize the seven, or eight or 12 or however many “illegal
aliens” that were in this country. Now if that doesn’t bother you, then that’s fine. It shows me who that man
is and he will–
Russ: It’s all a part of being discriminating, you find the things that bother you and which we should not
expect anybody to be messianically perfect. Everybody’s a mixed bag. That’s part of being discerning is that
we don’t look for someone to be perfect so that we don’t have to defend what they do or what they say. We
can just say, “oh, Ron Paul says it, therefore it’s good,” rather than it’s good. We don’t want to say it’s good
because he said it. We want to say I’m glad he says something that I believe is good.
Jackie: Yes, it’s like Phyllis Schlafly. She’s done some exquisite work and she’s probably one of the most
dangerous people in this country. So that’s fine. Russ, thank you for your call. It was good to hear from you.
Bye-bye. Well, Russ and I will agree to disagree on this. I know that Ron Paul is a shill and I know he’s
allowed to say the things he is because it keeps people thinking that there’s a hero in the U.S. Congress.
Alan: Albert Pike said it. He said, “whenever the public need a hero we supply him,” so they’ve got one for
every type out there you see.
Jackie: You bet, I know that, and your voice is nice and loud again.
Alan: That’s the trick to it. They well understand through all of their polls over the many, many years, they
know the types out there who vote for whatever and they put them into categories and they make sure
there’s one for each category who speaks for you. Of course, you don’t notice when he takes a left turn
somewhere that you’re actually following him and then when you’ve turned a complete circle, you say well
how did we get here? That’s the trick to it. It’s very simple, but it’s been used for years.
Jackie: Even in the States it’s the same thing.
Alan: It’s the same the world over.
Jackie: Yes I know but it occurred to me at the state level with a state legislator in California and he just did
all kinds of wonderful – he introduced wonderful bills and they never went anywhere. I found out that it was
his doing that almost – not that it made any difference but it was a good resolution; the 10th Amendment
Resolution calling the attention of the state, the power that the state has, if they would just use it and he
just was out there like the good guy and he introduced it. Brenda Abbott, a wonderful lady in California had
a fax network all across the state and she kept calling and saying do you need us to do anything, this thing
is just sitting in committees. No, no. It’s okay. I’ll call if I need you; and then the next thing you know she
heard it on the radio that it was sitting in committee and if it didn’t get voted on that day it was dead and he
never talked to her, so she got her fax going. Then there was one senator that hadn’t come down to vote on
the committee and that’s where they zeroed in on the call and this guy called Don Rogers and said, “please
Don, I’m coming to vote for your resolution. Please can you get these calls stopped? We can’t get any work
done,” and Don acted like he thought that was just so cool and he was a hero to those people because he
was the one that introduced it and he was the one who was going to let it sit and die in committee, but it
made him look good.
Alan: I never forget that tape of Sir James Goldsmith who came over from Britain and addressed the Senate
on the dangers of signing the NAFTA and the GATT treaty and he laid it out in the most eloquent language.
Jackie: Do you have that on tape?
Alan: I do, yes.
Jackie: I do too, Alan.
Alan: He told them, he says, look, Britain is now a province of Europe and the Parliament is reduced to the
status of a province (a little fiefdom) and they could make no move without the European Parliament’s
consent and they must jump to it whenever the European Parliament gives Britain an order. He says it’s
destroying the countries; and of course the big con – you see who’s putting this all together, it’s actually The
Council on Foreign Relations. They’ve been at this since their inception. That was their job.
Jackie: Just for a second here. You do know that Sir James Goldsmith died suddenly, don’t you?
Alan: Yes. He had a cancer hit him and he was dead in a month.
Jackie: Yes and you know what he said to these senators? This is so clear in my mind. He said I beg of you,
think long and hard before you cast your vote. He was talking about the GATT (WTO); he said it will take
America from a slow trot under the NAFTA to a headlong gallop into total economic and social destruction.
Those are almost word for word what he said, Alan.
Alan: He gave all the evidence as to what happened to Britain and the senators all agreed with him, but you
noticed I think the next day or whatever they all voted for it.
Jackie: Except for North Carolina. What was his name? 33rd Degree Mason but he voted against it. He was
the head of that committee. Do you remember his name?
Alan: I can’t remember it.
Jackie: I can’t remember it either. This guy, actually watching him, I taped it off C-Span the guy I’m talking
about, the Senator Earnest Hollings. Oh boy, he was doing some good. I got information from a
congresswoman in Maryland and I quote Sir James Goldsmith and Earnest Hollings and if you want to really
understand the GATT there’s an article in the NAFTA/GATT section titled “The World According to GATT.”
Hollings was sitting up there actually bouncing in his seat. I mean he actually acted like he was so against it
and he did vote against it. I guess maybe they gave him permission to do that, huh?
Alan: Maybe, yes.
Jackie: Because that’s usually what they do. If they know they’ve got enough votes, they’ll let certain of
them vote the way that you wouldn’t expect them to vote at all.
Alan: That’s right. James Goldsmith put out a book just before he died called “The Trap.”
Jackie: Yes. I have it.
Alan: He goes through the whole process how you sell out your sovereignty. You now have a Star Chamber
directing any international trials to do with commerce and so five people basically, whom you never see,
decide if your country is penalized, which means the taxpayer actually pays all the fines. This is how it
works. If a Far Eastern country wants to put a factory in your country and you put up rules and regulations
as to whatever and you tell them you must employ people at the basic wage or whatever and it’s much
higher than their country, they can actually fine the country that says no. Britain paid millions of pounds just
for the oak trees. I kid you not. They standardized the grain of oak of trees.
Jackie: The what.
Alan: The actual grain. They said that Britain’s oak trees were too wavy.
Jackie: Oh, Alan.
Alan: I kid you not. They wanted them straight like the German ones and they fined the British who had
been exporting this stuff about a million and a half pounds. The taxpayer coughed that up. See, this is a
racket you see. It’s actually like a mafia racket.
Jackie: You know what it reminds me of? Harmonizing the ingredients in frozen pizza.
Alan: Exactly, same deal.
Jackie: That is so insidious and when you think about it, and folks, if you get it, I mean this is how finite
they intend to control our lives, isn’t it, Alan?
Alan: It is. I mean the butchers in Britain, the small ones that are still left, were forbidden to carry a carcass
of an animal. In Britain you have little sort of open, they call it a close, like a little tunnel between houses, so
they couldn’t take it through a tunnel into the other part of their shop because the European commission
said even though it was covered over, the top was arched, it was actually really exposed to air at both ends.
They fined the whole industry again thousands of pounds and these millions of pounds come out of the
taxpayer’s pockets. It’s a great robbers’ scheme as far as I’m concerned.
Jackie: Yes it is. The congresswoman that I referred to in that article was Congresswoman Helen Bentley.
She was really opposing the GATT and I got a hold of her office and they faxed me the information right
from her office and you know what was really astounding to me at that time is that there were former
congress people who are now lawyers for the foreign countries that were suing the U.S. under these trade
agreements, Alan.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: And the U.S. which pays – the U.S. Listen to me, like it’s a – yeah, the people in America pay about
probably 40 percent or better of the cost of this whole thing, the UN and all that stuff, and the U.S. gets one
vote. One vote, that’s it.
Alan: People don’t realize where NAFTA and the Free Trade of the Americas is going to take us and for that
you have to go back to the first set of talks, which was the Free Trade negotiations, because that’s where
they do the preamble. The preamble is the most important part of any document because that defines the
meaning of meanings of the words to be used subsequently. In it, they had just like the European Union,
what they do is the countries involved retain their government, which become like a little provincial
government like Ottawa in Canada and Washington, D.C.
Jackie: Okay, we have about 50 seconds till our break.
Alan: Then what they do is they choose another one. They were toying with the idea setting up the new
capital of the Americas in Montreal, which will be the super government for the Americas, and that was done
many years ago at the Free Trade Negotiations.
Jackie: When you say many, about like when?
Alan: You’re into just before the late ’80s.
Jackie: We’re going to take a break here right now and we’ll be right back. While we’re on that break a
thousands thoughts go through my mind, Alan. Where were we? Okay. This is something I want to say. I
remember as I was listening, Hollings was talking about how the quality – what am I trying to say here? The
past 20 years is that everything costs more but the wages were going down et cetera and at the same time I
was going to say I don’t know how but I shouldn’t say that because stuff does drop into our laps when we’re
looking for it or reading it, but this happened in I believe ’90 – the GATT was ’94, wasn’t it? NAFTA was ’93.
Okay, in 1974 the United Nations passed their declaration on the new international economic order and I
quote heavily from that. I mean it’s the UN’s report itself. It’s the whole thing and the preamble and the
whole thing and I quoted heavily from it and interestingly Hollings kept saying the last 20 years, the last 20
years and it was exactly 20 years prior to that that the UN passed that declaration on their new – there was
something else in there, but their new international economic order. What they said is that no matter what
the economic standard of any country is at the present time, it’s all going to be equalized and you knew
immediately they’re not bringing the third world countries up to the standards that were once at least in the
U.S., living standards, but to bring us down to theirs.
Alan: They talk about a happy medium that we’ll arrive at at the same time.
Jackie: Yes. And I love that, constantly you heard it over and over again, “evening the playing field.”
Evening the playing field. I’ve got three UN files here and I have a whole dog gone thing and it occurred to
me that it needed to be on our website in the UN section. I cannot find it. I emailed the UN to ask them how
I could – because I even did a search. I just cannot find it anywhere, their declaration on the new
International Economic Order.
Alan: The New Deal.
Jackie: The New Deal. It is just – reading that thing, if you read every word knowing that they say what
they mean and mean what they say, it’s terrifying and we’re living it today.
Alan: The most favored nation trading status was given to China actually when they made the deal with
China that Britain could have Hong Kong for 100 years. That’s how far back this whole plan goes.
Jackie: Say that again.
Alan: When Britain made the deal and signed this agreement with China that they would have Hong Kong
for 100 years and then hand it back. They already had it in the plans that China would be the most favored
nation trading status and out of the old books written at the time that say that right in it. Our whole lives
and everything that happens is scripted by other people and what happens is China and third-world
countries, or anyone who is designated as such, don’t have to start paying any of their loans back until the
year 2005; and if they still claim that they can’t make it, it will postponed for another 25 years. However, all
of these loans come from the Canadian government and the U.S. government who borrows the money from
the World Bank, so in 25 years the children will have paid off those loans, you see, and that’s what they’re
getting. We’re the workhorses for the world.
Jackie: Yes, exactly. Paul Wolfowitz has been made head of the World Bank today. It was reported.
Alan: The wolf is in charge of the bank.
Jackie: The wolf is in charge. In China, Charlie Peter’s is our man in California whose whole main focus is on
the emissions control, et cetera, et cetera and he said and sent me information on it that automobiles sent to
China do not have to have all of the emission controls. In other words, they get to pollute because they’re a
third-world country and there was one other thing that in China besides that – okay, never mind. If I don’t
write it down while it’s in my mind it doesn’t stay. So in other words all of the pollution control et cetera and
what they’re doing to what they call the developed nations all of those developing nations are just allowed to
pollute like crazy.
Alan: That’s what George said recently. He said we have to make a sacrifice with our petroleum industries
and use less here because the developing countries need it more right now. This is your sharing of the
wealth and all that stuff that we thought was a communist deal, but of course we all know it was all run by
the bankers who set the whole thing up. We are all supposed to stop driving, I guess, in the future, because
we are no longer needed. We’re not an industrial national anymore.
Jackie: Yes. We have a call here. Hello. You’re on the air.
Allen: Yes, this is Allen.
Jackie: Hello Allen.You’ll have to speak up. I can’t hear you.
Allen: Alan Watt was talking about Hong Kong and Britain 100 years ago has run things in the Orient. Can
he say anything about the opening of Japan around 1854 and an infusion of Western technology into that
area, building it all up to where it became to almost a world power and then right after World War I most of
the Pacific Islands were given to Japan so they could fortify that. It’s like they were setting them up about
100 years ago in advance for World War II. This was 1854. By 1904, 1905 they were able to destroy the
[inaudible-audio] – in 50 years they went like 800 years.
Jackie: So you’d like Alan to comment on that?
Allen: Yes.
Jackie: You look like you’re doing your homework, Allen.
Allen: I’ve been studying it for a long time. It’s like they decided around 1854 in advance and had
everything set up just perfect; the islands were given to Japan after World War I; they had an infusion of
technologies and everything was given to them. Another big question is why would America in 1854 be
concerned with a tilly-willy little backward country like Japan? I would say they wouldn’t have nothing to do
with it; it had nothing to offer to America.
Jackie: Right. We’ll have Alan comment on that. Before you do that, Alan, I know the other thing I wanted
to say about China, I know I’ve said this before but it’s a reminder to our listeners, when you were
mentioning Hong Kong that Britain would have it for 100 years and then give it back. I did not know that but
you know I have this newspaper article, either New York Times or one of them, when they were giving it
back to China and it literally said in there that the people in Hong Kong are preparing to meet their new
masters. It was right in the newspaper, that exact language, Alan.
Alan: Sure, and Britain had an official military handover to the communists.
Jackie: Their new masters, the people.
Alan: If you want to get back to the setting up of Japan, the bankers with the Kuhn Lobe & Co. had been
financing the setup of Japan in the late 1800’s. Then if you read an excellent book, I think it was put out
there to cover up the truth, although it had to use a lot of the truth simply because of declassified
information from the U.S. government that’s available now about this. Bernard Baruch and a few other big
bankers were approached by Japanese military at the beginning of the 1900’s and these Japanese were told
to come over and see these particular men, because they were told, and it tells you in the book, they were
told that these guys run and own America.
Jackie: What guys run and own America?
Alan: Bernard Baruch and the company of Kuhn Lobe & Company and a few other ones, well-known names,
and the deal was Baruch said he would finance them. He would help them with technical data and training
and so on, and shipbuilders, on the condition that they would attack Russia and that caused the final Russian
war and that helped to bring on the chaos that started the heavy taxation and the war that helped to bring
down the Czar. That was the intent of it and of course right through World War II these bankers were still
funding the Japanese from New York, and it’s explained in “The Fugu Plan” by Marvin Tokeyer. He’s a
Japanese rabbi actually and he goes through it and tells you what went on. It’s a fascinating story. It was all
set up way in advance by the big bankers, none of whom were prosecuted for it. Another thing too is I also
have old books from that period the early 1900’s and you’ll find that the emperor Hirohito of Japan, I’ve got
the photographs of him being inducted into the Knights of the Garter of England by British Lords. I’ve got the
actual photographs, so Hirohito was an Honored Knight of the Queen’s inside company.
Jackie: Knighted?
Alan: The Knight of the Garter is very close. In other words, his nobility was then joined with theirs. He was
a very high Mason. That’s why he was never prosecuted either. Everything is rigged in advance, always, and
the information generally is out there if you wanted to get it. As I say, the “The Fugu Plan” was put out
there because – and it tells you in the book the declassified documents and the numbers that you can get
from the American government that proves that these big bankers in the U.S. funded the Japanese military
navy and so on, and sent them all the aid and training they needed to operate all their aircraft et cetera, and
no one got punished for it.
Jackie: This was during or before World War II?
Alan: It started in the early 1900’s. The banks had already been funding them from the late 1880’s but the
official delegation from Japan came over at the beginning of about 1900 to meet with Baruch and a few
other ones and Mandell House et cetera.
Jackie: Mandell House. Alan, do you know what’s confusing about this? That there must be people along the
way who witnessed this because you’re saying that this is about early 1900’s, and in the Voices of History –
now, this isn’t well known. It isn’t publicized. It isn’t part of the history that we’re given in school, so I have
to believe that there was – no, I don’t have to believe. Let me back that off. It seems for example when you
look at how they goaded Japan into bombing Pearl Harbor and the statement that FDR made and what’s his
name’s diaries, Stimson or whatever his name was, the Secretary of War for state, and he said that what
they said or FDR said is that our dilemma or our problem is how do we get them to attack first. It’s almost –
there are people involved and then when you see the final ultimatum Cordell Hall gave to Japan, well it was
all about trade and commerce, the whole thing. Therefore, even though they planned this so far back, they
know what they’re going to accomplish, what they intended to accomplish, but they work out the real details
as they go along, don’t they?
Alan: Even the details, they try to figure out all the reactions and from whom and what sectors, and they
already have the fronts ready to meet those organizations to sway them or defeat them or whatever.
Jackie: So during that period of time and they had seized all of the Japanese assets or whatever from the
bank and they had put an embargo on oil or whatever they needed and really pushed them into a corner,
but somebody there in the government, or somebodies maybe, were aware of the plan; but the other people
that are involved actually believed that, oh, this is the last straw, we have no choice, we have to do this. It’s
just mind-boggling.
Alan: Yes, but we always do the same thing.
Jackie: Your voice is getting lower again. That ticks me off.
Alan: We set up the enemy. We fund them. We train them. We equip them even. I think it was Rolls-Royce
that gave the engines for the Japanese aircraft to Japan, you know the zero. There’s even people I know
here, old guys, who remember trainloads of scrap in the 1930’s all heading to the coast where they were
shipped off to Japan, that was common knowledge.
Jackie: Yes, and meantime Lend-Lease Act sending hundreds of millions of dollars and airplanes and ships
and all that over to the communist Soviet Union, while on the other hand they’re funding Japan. I didn’t
know this. This is news to me about – and I’m really glad Allen called in tonight and brought this up because
it’s just another leg of it, and here I go again, but the stuff I’m talking about I’m aware of because it’s in our
website, the Lend-Lease Act, and how the American people and all of it was going over to the Soviet Union.
Major Jordan’s Diaries, that’s the little book that tells it all. When people look at the stuff that’s in there, if
they take the time, there can be no question in anybody’s mind; except with all of the hours of conversation
we’ve had, you’ll still get your mind blown away. I do.
Alan: There’s nothing that happens major in your lifetime with your country that isn’t planned that way.
Now that they’ve joined Britain to Europe they admit that they worked on it secretly, since 1948 they had
offices set up to begin the process and they lied to the public right through until the bitter end. It’s the same
deal that’s happening here when on the 23rd of March, George Bush and Prime Minister Martin of Canada
and Vicente Fox of Mexico met together and signed the same agreements. It’s the same agreement and they
talked about a Fortress America and how to reorganize the entire continent and this is the type of
terminology they’re using.
Jackie: Then the news reports that you played for us, they literally said that they had restructured the
continent in an afternoon. These three guys, Alan.
Alan: You see that’s the trick to it because the real guys who know what they’re doing are the bureaucrats
and these are hereditary bureaucrats as well, mind you, in the federal government. You’ll never see a job
open for a bureaucrat advertised anywhere. These are hereditary jobs and these people look down their
noses at the average Joe in their little ivory towers.
Jackie: And probably look down their noses at the elected officials who are nothing but pawns and puppets.
Alan: Because those guys are lawyers who come in and suddenly they’re ministry of the environment or
health or something. No, the bureaucrats know what they’re doing and the bureaucrats also liaise directly,
every level of bureaucracy liaises directly with the United Nations because the UN has duplicate agencies of
bureaucrats that deal with those things.
Jackie: Yes and last night when Steve Jacobsen was on with us talking about the fictitious monetary system,
I mentioned Jacques Attali and his book but the one thing I forgot to tell our listeners and remind our long
time listeners that he was an adviser to Francois Mitterrand for 10 years. I don’t think I said that. He was
trained at – what was it called in France? How do you pronounce it, the school?
Alan: The Grand School.
Jackie: Yes. The Grand School. He was trained there. He was a bureaucrat, wasn’t he?
Alan: Oh yes. I mean this man was a top adviser. Advisers are more important than presidents because they
get their orders from – they call the advisers The Grey Men. That’s what they call them.
Jackie: The Grey Men. Not the Men in Black, The Grey Men.
Alan: The Grey Men because they come to the ones that you see, the presidents, and they tell them what
the schedule is and what’s to be done.
Jackie: Yes, and what to think.
Alan: And they liaise as well with the real bosses that are not elected and that’s what they do and of course
they write the scripts for these guys, the presidents and so on, and they’re called The Grey Men, on the
chessboard, basically.
Jackie: Well, that makes sense and you know I think in pictures and when you talked about it and I was
able to get the book, because, boy, it went out of print in a hurry, his book. Folks, if any of you are
interested, you might still be able to get a copy if you do a search in there, Jacques Attali, and it’s called the
new millennium?
Alan: Just “Millennium.”
Jackie: Winners and Losers–
Alan: “Millennium,” subtitle: “Winners and Losers in the Coming World Order” – 1990.
Jackie: 1990 and it’s been out of print for a long time or at least not available, but I got this picture in my
mind of them sitting in this meeting of all these national leaders and him leaning over and whispering in
Jacques Attali’s ear. It’s like I can see it.
Alan: Sure. It tells you in the beginning that no one saw the president without Attali’s permission, so Attali
decided who the president would see and who he wouldn’t see and then he went straight from there to the
United Nation. However, he said America will be the next land of boat people. He says once the borders are
dismantled and America has basically run its course with the military might and it’s spent, he says there’ll be
boats leaving America with people looking for work in the Far East. This is well known, well understood to
the guys at the top, the whole plan.
Jackie: And the danger if you would of the bureaucrats, but there’s really no danger because the elected
officials are – it’s all put up anyway, but they’re behind the scenes and they’re not answerable to anybody
and who’s going to write to a bureaucrat and say, “you quit telling Jacques Attali that!” Call your bureaucrat,
Alan.
Alan: The top advisers are not elected either and these are the guys–
Jackie: That’s what I’m saying. They’re not elected.
Alan: The guy that’s advising President Bush is David Frum. He’s one of the main advisers and David Frum
is a Canadian.
Jackie: He’s a Jew from Canada.
Alan: His mother made a career as a spokeswoman for the CBC. She’s down there running for president.
Jackie: Unfortunately we’re out of – he’s writing the president’s speeches too?
Alan: And books for the right man.
Jackie: And unfortunately our hour always go so fast. It’s gone and folks, we will be back with you
tomorrow night. Thank you, Alan.
(Transcribed by Linda)
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
May 23, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Monday and
it is the 23rd of May in the year 2005 and I hope you had a lovely weekend, folks. Dog gone it, it got cold here again.
We’ve had a couple of days in the 70s and one day that it went up to 80 and actually was down to 47 here yesterday.
That’s not nice. Anyway, I’m glad you’re with us this evening and I hope you’ve been enjoying a little better weather
than we have. I shouldn’t be complaining.
Alan Watt is with us tonight, and Alan, thanks for being here my dear.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Yes, thank you. I better set my record button here. I realized that I left that conference report in the kitchen and I
wanted to bring that up tonight, but the conference report on that emergency spending bill, remember where they passed
the national ID? I don’t have to go get it. It doesn’t really matter. The main thing is I did get the copy of the conference
report in the mail last Friday and everything that we’ve heard about this bill is true and one of the worst parts about it is
it is wide open to change. The secretary, it says, the definition of the secretary is the Secretary of Homeland Defense
and the secretary has been given the authority to make any changes in the requirements or any of the data that goes into
this new identification card. And Alan, you know the thing is there as I was reading it and I told you this what I’ve
realized is they’re saying that it has to be totally – all states have to be in compliance within three years. The states, from
what I can gather, at least here in Pennsylvania, they’re pretty much there right now. They’ve been getting into
compliance probably for the last 10, 12 years and so they call it federal recognition, this is how they’re doing it. See,
they’re literally admitting that they cannot mandate to the states, but, my, my, if the state doesn’t comply and have this
federal recognition identification card/driver’s license and/or they won’t be able to get on an airplane. They won’t be able
to go into a federal building. What if you were ordered into court for something, into a federal court?
Alan: Well, I’m sure then they’d force your thumbprints anyway and do all that kind of stuff. In fact they could use all
the same recognition and take it all there and hand you your court pass, which would be the same thing.
Jackie: What do you mean take all the recognition?
Alan: If they want to – I mean this is going to be used everywhere and of course the courts themselves I’m sure will
have the same equipment, not only to decode the cards, but also to make them up and to add to them, because everyone
going through the court system will have to have that information then put into their card.
Jackie: Oh, that they had some type of a legal action. Sure, everything will eventually be in here. One of things that
nobody has mentioned this that I know of, but I’ll tell you the first thing that I thought about is the federal highways,
Alan, because all the states – look at all the highways that the states have turned over to the federal government and
what is that going to mean if you’re driving on a federal highway inside your own state and you get stopped. You don’t
have a federal recognition ID card.
Alan: It’s also going to be used down the road for the cashless society.
Jackie: With the little pings in it representing money?
Alan: Yes, it will be the only card you’ll need, and it’s a step-by-step process of course and they’ve been working on this
for years. They tried to introduce the same cards in Britain in 1998, and of course in 1998 the cold war was over,
nothing was happening and the public didn’t go for it. They’d said what’s the problem and so it fell flat, so we had 9/11
and Mr. Blair blaring off with all his lies and so now they’re going ahead and actually issuing them and they started last
week issuing those cards in Britain.
Jackie: The same ones?
Alan: The same ones.
Jackie: And they’ll be good for coming to the U.S. or to Canada?
Alan: It’s really globalized. That would be passports and everything on one card and of course they definitely want to
use it in conjunction with the cashless society because they talked about this years ago that they would do this and
they’re actually doing it now.
Jackie: Hey, Alan, that book you were telling me about, Sumner Welle’s “The Time for Decision,” that was written in
1944, right?
Alan: It was published then. I think he began it early in World War II.
Jackie: Some of the statements that you shared with me from that book back in 1944, you know the way they described
it, I went in – I told you I went in and found it and I’ve got a place where I’m going to order it and they said that the
president had sent him over to Europe, that this was the reason the book was written. That the president had sent him
over to Europe to see if there was ever going to be an opportunity for peace.
Alan: He had been an assistant secretary of state for the State Department so he had a long career in politics up until
then and then he was transferred as you say as the top go-between for Europe and the U.S. There’s a map in the book
where they actually separate Germany and he gives the reasons for the separation.
Jackie: Now this was in 1944 before the war was over?
Alan: Yes and as I say, judging from reading it, you can tell that he started it earlier in the war. Maybe at the very
beginning in fact and so it was put out after. It was probably finished in ’43, I imagine. He had Germany partitioned–
Jackie: The east and west?
Alan: Yes. He gives the reasons for it he said–
Jackie: Does he say that the east is going to be given to the communists?
Alan: It was on the map but he doesn’t say so, but you know darn well – all the Soviet side is shaded on the map. He
said the reason for it being that the youth have had years of indoctrination in Hitlerism and to leave them united would
cause too much problem and so they’d have to have them separated with two different systems running it basically. You
couldn’t have one country like Britain or the U.S. running both sides. You’d have to get a supposed enemy, which was
Russia.
Jackie: No, Alan, they were our allies.
Alan: Back then, but they changed again their maps afterwards, and Uncle Joe went along with it, but they said that it
would probably take just over 50 years before they would allow both halves to come together again, which is exactly
what they did. Then, of course, he even goes into the building up of China, which he said was one of the best allies that
they had and one of the best trading partners. Now China was mainly a third-world country and the only thing that
Sumner Welles and his ancestors had done was to put opium into China because that’s where most of them made their
money, their fortunes. In a sense, I guess they were a good business partner. Anyway, he said that the US would have to
finance these countries and especially China to bring them up to a first-world status. Everything really was planned, I’m
sure before World War II and these guys in the CFR (The Council on Foreign Relations), which is the American branch
of The Royal Institute of International Affairs in Britain, they had the whole plan finished before the war was finished.
Jackie: For the three wars?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Remember in 1906 Norman Dodd getting into the Carnegie minutes of their meetings, it was 1906 when they
decided that they were going to have a war and a good place to start it would be in the Balkans because there was a lot
of unrest there anyway and of course that’s where it was, wasn’t it? Where the–
Alan: The Arch Duke.
Jackie: The Arch Duke was assassinated and it’s amazing to realize they waited until the U.S. Congress had passed the
Federal Reserve Act because they wanted the American people to pay for it.
Alan: You can’t have a war without borrowing and the ability to pay off the debt, so you need taxation. That’s standard
in any big war. H.G. Wells wrote a book “The Shape of Things to Come” in I think it was in 1907 and he talked about
the upcoming wars with Germany and he goes through this whole scenario. H.G. Wells got all of this material from The
Royal Institute and Council on Foreign Relations professors who supply him with the data and he had to write stories
around this data, you see, to encourage the public who read the books into this mode of thinking that we do need world
government. Therefore, he wrote “The Shape of Things to Come” with a war with Germany, with a war in the air as
well and he had three world wars. He said the third one will start in Basra, which is Iraq, and sure enough, here we have
the third and final one; and then after that, he said there’ll be a scientific elite running the world (experts, all scientists),
that’s psychology, psychiatry, physics, chemistry, everything, sociology. He also said that there would be a police of the
air who would go around those places and countries who didn’t succumb and accept the authority, and they would gas
them and spray stuff from the air; and we’re being sprayed now from the air. Nothing surprises me because it’s an old
plan and these characters do work on their plans. They never give them up and when they’ve settled on a plan, even if it
takes 100 years, they work towards it.
Jackie: Yes, they sure are patient, aren’t they?
Alan: Very patient. They are the builders you see. Freemasonry uses the builders or true brick masons. They use the
terminology of the builders because they build society. That’s what freemasonry means. They shape society. They shape
your thoughts, your culture and the changes in your culture; and just like when they built the cathedrals across Europe,
the Comacines were brought in to do that.
Jackie: The what?
Alan: The Comacines. They had been initially a priesthood at the North of Italy around Lake Como and they were the
ones, the experts in architecture and they planned the cathedrals and drew them up and it would take sometimes five or
six generations of stonemasons to complete it. They use that terminology still today, that they build and shape society
and they have puns on their words because they love to use – just like the ancient Egyptians had puns on words too, and
of course the Bilderbergers and everyone has heard about them. Supposedly took their name after the first hotel where
they held their first meeting in the Netherlands, but the Bilderbergers are the builders of the mountain. That’s what it
means.
Jackie: Builders of the mountain? What is the mountain?
Alan: The mountain is a symbol of the their perfect society. It’s like a pyramid. That’s what a pyramid was. It was a
perfectly shaped mountain. In other words, they used a natural mountain as a source; that is nature. They love nature,
and how can you perfect nature? So they shaped it all geometrically, and of course the plan was to use that symbol to
shape and perfect all of society and perfect that which is left imperfect, as they say, which is man himself; and as we see
today, they’re well on their way. You turn on newscast shows today and most of what you’ll hear is experts giving you
advice on how to do something or how to behave in a certain situation.
Jackie: Or how to feel.
Alan: Or how to feel, yes.
Jackie: And what to think and say.
Alan: It’s all social indoctrination.
Jackie: They’re all squared. Is that right Alan?
Alan: That’s right. A “perfect ashlar” as they say, you’ve been squared. A natural stone is roundish. There’s nothing true
geometrical in nature, apart from perhaps snowflakes under a microscope. However, that’s what they plan to do, is to
shape society. They’re the builders. They shape the minds of the public. They indoctrinate and that’s why you wear the
little Masonic square hats when you graduate. You’ve been squared. We are in their system.
Jackie: I remember when you were talking about that and then you mentioned a song “Another Brick in the Wall” or
just a brick in the wall.
Alan: That’s Pink Floyd.
Jackie: Right after you talked about that, it’s been quite a while ago and maybe you would for our listeners – maybe you
did explain it just now, but anyway right after you talked about that there was an article in the newspaper that Lilly
found or else it was an AP on the radio. Remember you mentioned a hammer and the song “If I Had a Hammer” and
they used the hammer to hammer out the – well, they were using all of those words in that newspaper article, Alan.
Hammer, hammer, hammer, bricks and blocks et cetera. It was all there and it was within a couple of days after you
talked about it and then they giggle probably.
Alan: Oh, they do.
Jackie: Who gives them their words, these journalists? Is it the editor when they write an article or something, then the
editor changes the words?
Alan: He can go in there and change them and delete certain passages that maybe they’ve gone overboard with.
Jackie: I remember not too long ago reading something that a former journalist and he said that nothing – maybe it
actually had to do with the Second World War, but nothing that they wrote ever really appeared as they wrote it.
Alan: That’s correct. In fact, if you go through history, even recent history, you have these amazing quotations by
famous people at the right times like when atomic bombs were tested and Oppenheimer supposedly made his famous
statement, “I have become Prometheus the destroyer of worlds,” and of course he never said that at all, but they have
these quotes ready to put in their mouths, you see.
Jackie: What did they say he said?
Alan: He said, I have become Prometheus. That’s the ancient God that stole fire from the heavens, intellect, and the
destroyer of worlds; and of course he didn’t say that at all, but they always have these lines ready for the famous people
that they present to us and we believe it generally. Even Winston Churchill had a whole staff dedicated to searching out
the classics, the Greek mythology and so on, to get quotations and Shakespeare that he could use in his speeches. Then,
of course, once he picked out or okayed the ones they picked for him, then he’d get his main scriptwriters to write into a
script for him and he’d read it off over the radio with his Fireside Chat.
Jackie: Him and FDR?
Alan: Everything is a technique and the public must never know. They must believe the image that’s presented to them
as it’s presented, never realizing that nothing that you see is happenstance. There’s no off-the-cuff remarks from any of
them. They’re all scripted and that’s the world we live in, and Shakespeare said, “all the world’s a stage and we are but
the players,” and of course that’s what these guys are. They’re playing to us and it’s a live theater audience and especially
in wartime, it’s the theater of war, so they use that terminology.
Jackie: Theater of war.
Alan: H.G. Wells, who was a propagandist for MI6 who employed him, he’s the guy who was given the credit for
calling it the first world war both the Great War, which is a Masonic term. Whenever you see anything GREAT, like
Alexander the Great et cetera, they mean one from the mystery religions that started it and in control of it; and he also
used the term “the war to end all wars,” which was the slogan they sold the public on so that the guys would sign up.
They’re very good at propaganda.
Jackie: What do they mean by that “the war to end all wars?”
Alan: They hoped to get the Lion in, League of Nations or LON, which is another term for lion, they hoped to get that
in as world government after World War I. They thought they slaughtered so many people that we’d all beg for peace;
and while we were begging for peace, then they’d put on the conditions that we could not live as we had lived before. In
other words, they were upgrading their system into a new mode of being, but of course the public didn’t quite go for it.
They were used to the old system, which they hadn’t figured out wasn’t theirs either. It was just the system that they
were used to.
Jackie: What would it have meant – the League of Nations was originally called The League to Enforce Peace. What
would the LEP mean?
Alan: LEP is short for leopard, in a sense, so they like these little quips of things, so you have a lion on one side and a
leopard on the other. If you go back to Nimrod, he’s got the checkerboard fur coat on, the ermine type fur that we see
today on royalty. They use the black specked on top of the white fur. That’s a sign of royalty. They love these symbols.
These are ancient symbols going all the way back to Babylon and no doubt before.
Jackie: It occurred to me this evening as I told you I had a conversation with my friend in Colorado. We haven’t talked
in a long time. They had a situation there and they wanted to talk to me before this because – well, actually her daughter
did because her daughter finally woke up and sees what’s happening. Jerri and I haven’t spoken in a long time and she
doesn’t have a shortwave so she hasn’t been listening to the broadcast. I said, Jerri, there’s just so much to catch up on
because the first thing people have to understand is that we were all born into a huge grotesque lie and that everything
we ever thought we knew is not and I don’t know that I have anything to say that will be of help because it’s like, okay,
what kind of activity. Just for our listeners, they were having a meeting, the lady in Colorado beaten by an illegal alien.
They like to call them undocumented immigrants, I think.
Alan: You mean they’re not called insurgents?
Jackie: No, they’re not insurgents. No. Probably the group that was meeting were called insurgents. But there were
about 50 people and they had rented a restaurant, a bar and grill to have their meeting in and there was evidentially a
local talk show host there that had gotten this thing together and the woman who had gotten beaten was at the mike
talking to the people and suddenly she said a Latino ran out of the kitchen. I asked her who was he? What right did he
have to do this anyway? Well, he was the kitchen manager is all, but he ran out of the kitchen, grabbed the mike and
told them to pay up their bill and get the hell out of there and they didn’t make any fuss about it. They paid their bills as
they left and in fact they talked to the manager of the restaurant and he wanted them to leave because they were talking
about this situation. Then they went to the park and the next thing you know, the police were making them disband, and
she said what Debbie finally understood is that our First Amendment rights are gone but what should we do? Okay. We
sit here and talk about this stuff and I wonder if – I don’t want us to be in a position where it is rendering people in their
minds hopelessness or helplessness. Do you understand what I’m saying, Alan?
Alan: If they continue blaming the side effects of plans, they’ll get nowhere. They have to go to the source of the cause
of it and of course it’s no secret that many years ago when they talked about uniting the whole continent and doing away
with the borders and of course they did that officially on the 27th of March. Bush signed that agreement that we’re now
one big Fortress America and within three to four years the borders will be gone.
Jackie: Actually that newspaper article said they restructured a continent in an afternoon.
Alan: Yes, he met with the prime minister of Canada and Mexico and signed the agreement.
Jackie: According to this, Vicente Fox is in his last term. Of course, G.W. Bush is and they said that Paul Martin in
Canada was having so many problems that it’s not likely that he’ll be in another term.
Alan: It doesn’t matter who the person is because they don’t run the country. They don’t run them. In fact, H.G. Wells in
1918, 1919 wrote about that. He said that they had achieved their objective because now every bureaucracy and every
nation would have a counterpart in the League of Nations and they could bypass their government and go straight to
their fellow bureaucracy in the League of Nations.
Jackie: We have a break coming up here and it will be just about a minute and a half or so. Would you remind our
listeners about the books you have available?
Alan: I go into detail with the types of systems that we’re living under and where they came from and it’s an eye opener
I think for most people. [See www..com for ordering information.] As far as the books to check up on what’s actually
happening, I was thinking of putting a few into the end of the third edition so you can go and look up the histories of the
system that we’re living under and see how far back it goes because it’s been here for an awful long time. People don’t
realize that in 1941 Churchill and Roosevelt signed an agreement for the NATO pact basically (North Atlantic Treaty
Organization), and in that treaty they had a system worked out and they signed it into the treaty that they would make a
world system, a federation of the world based on the federation of the United States. Of course, if you notice, the U.S. is
now completing its mission, the mission that I believe it was created to do, the NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM (New
World Order), it’s actually finishing off the plan. It’s forcing what’s called democracy, which is a World Bank running
the show with a central bank puppet there and a taxation system and the social system of the United States. They’re
forcing it on the last Moslem countries which don’t have the central banking system. They don’t have income tax and
they don’t have usury. It’s the last part of the function of the United States we’re seeing implemented right now.
Jackie: I’m back here, Alan.
Alan: As I was saying about the system and how old it is, the public has no idea that there’s one reality given to us
throughout our lives and it comes through education and then reinforced for the rest of their life by the media and
magazines to give you this matrix idea of the world you live in, but there’s always another one which actually runs the
show and the public have no input into and it’s run by very elite and wealthy people.
Jackie: This situation with immigration is part of the plan of course and that’s what America was meant to be, but of
course they’re doing it in all of the developed English speaking countries, aren’t they, Alan?
Alan: Yes and all of Europe too is coming into it.
Jackie: That’s what I mean.
Alan: It’s exactly the same process in the laws actually, because I watched a program on it recently. When a country
joins the European Union, from the day that it’s declared it’s now in force; so when Bush and Fox and Martin met down
in Waco where they signed the deal, that was the legal announcement of the unification. Then they said in Europe it
takes three to four years before they completely take down the border and that’s what we’re going to have here. That’s
why they want the ID cards out now. It’s an old plan and Jacques Attali wrote about it in 1990 and he was at the United
Nations. He was the top adviser for Francois Mitterrand. Francois Mitterrand who was the President of France believed
he was a reincarnation of the pharaoh Ramses II and he got the glass pyramid outside the museum there in Paris and it
had 666 panes of glass in it. They love these little messages and so on. Anyway, Jacques Attali did write the book
“Millennium” in 1990 and he said that the next great immigration rush would be out of the United States, he said, after
the countries of Latin America flood through the gates. He said initially it would be like the barbarian hordes that
assaulted Rome, the vandals and the Goths and so on. He said there will be criminals too coming up, the gangs will
come up and pillage and plunder. He said but eventually after a period of time, maybe 30 years, it will settle down a
little bit, but by that time the industry will all be gone from the United States and the next boat people will be the U.S.
citizens leaving the shores of the U.S. going abroad looking for work. This is an agenda from the top and we are
blaming the side effects – the people that are coming in, who are being encouraged to come in through the agreements
between Bush and Fox and all the other bureaucrats who really do the work. We have to keep our sights on who really is
causing this to happen.
That’s who you should be throwing all your time and energy at are these people; demanding to know these people who
have set up this system, who planned it and who are implementing it, because the government is complicit with it. They
do nothing to stop it since it is the agenda and that’s the bewildering thing for most people who still live in the first
matrix, which is the one they’ve given you, they can’t figure out why their own government is not stopping it; so they’ve
got to seek and then demand that their own government do something about it, because at the moment it’s just causing
tension between the incomers.
Jackie: Here in the states it should be done at the local and state level.
Alan: Yes, but you know that the big boys are all in the pockets of the bigger boys and it’s a Masonic system. In all of
the Masonic books, including Albert Pike, he wrote about the international brotherhood of man and the borderless world
to come, et cetera.
Jackie: You know another thing I was wondering about the people that are from Mexico who are saying we are going to
take back our country, our land. Well, it was stolen from them, Alan. It was rested from them by warfare and you said
people get angry with those who are coming in, they are only being used to further this plan; but my question is, was
this planned that long ago when they took the land and called it the U.S of A, California, Texas. What is it, Arizona and
New Mexico, wasn’t that all Mexican territory?
Alan: Yes, pretty well.
Jackie: And did they plan that so that they could have this divisiveness and this riotness and chaos?
Alan: What they did, this is how far back this goes – well, it’s actually older, but you can go back to say the Normans
that came in and took over Europe and they created the nations of Europe. These Normans, all this royalty at the top of
each country that they created as a nation, they then put borders round and then they taxed the public who lived within
those borders; and so they’d always have threats of warfare and skirmishes between their relatives and the peasants
would die and then demand peace and then pay more taxes. That’s how the whole system works. They created the
borders to get us to be industrious and patriotic and you have to remember that Karl Marx was trained by some of the
best bankers on the planet who have very, very old archives of history, as opposed to public libraries. Public libraries are
for the public you see. These guys have archives of history, just like the Vatican, and Karl Marx talked about the global
system. Before, he said, it can become global, we must create and push for nationalism. Nationalism is a phase on the
road towards globalism because nationalism creates central governments and central governments then take over from
all the little governments underneath them and they standardize the law across the land. There’s a law for everything and
that’s the system they’ve all gone through. They’ve all been highly nationalized and they call them “wars of national
liberation.” Now you go into the next phase which is the taking down of the borders, because while they were
nationalizing you didn’t realize that the guys at the top of your country and every country were all in cahoots and
making the same laws for your country as they were for every other country, so that when they took down the borders
you’d all have exactly the same laws in place. It’s all ready for world government.
Jackie: Including the ingredients in frozen pizza.
Alan: Exactly, yes.
Jackie: That is so insidious. I mean you talk about details, Alan.
Alan: You have to realize even in the group at Yale University, the Skull and Bones, which George Bush and other
ones went to, they have a place called the War Room. All of the high lodges have a War Room and the War Room is
where they plan their strategy of war on the public and we don’t realize it; that even as we think we’re living in times of
peace, these guys are actually making war on the public constantly and they change your morality. They change your
culture through fads, through promotions and they can make you wear whatever they want you to wear to be trendy, but
they design everything for you. Your thoughts, your music, how you’ll feel, what you’ll be guilty about or not guilty
about – it’s all given to us. We are infinitely malleable as they say and infinitely adaptable.
Albert Pike also talked about the war, the ongoing war of the Great Work and how they were the shepherds and we were
the sheep, you see. They make the plans and Pike also said, “We never start a premature revolution.” In other words,
they go over it like a battle plan, a cultural change or a social change, and they go through all the expected reactions
from different types of people and they already have their plans of actions to go into place when these organizations will
come against them. It’s an ongoing war you see; and while they’re doing that with the adults, they’ve already
implemented a graduated system in kindergarten right through their schooling so that those children who go into
kindergarten at two are already conditioned scientifically for the conditions and changes they will experience in their
life.
Jackie: Yes and I heard them talking about this in the school-to-work thing when I was a C-Span junky and over and
over and over again because they were talking about the preschool, that they want every five year old child ready to
enter kindergarten. In other words, get them pre-prepared and I know this is like you were talking about the morals and
there was an item in the newspaper that somebody emailed to me. A kindergarten class where they were promoting
homosexuality to these little children, the father of the little boy told the principal that he wanted to be informed when
they were doing this so that he could opt his son out to get him and take him home. He came to the school and they
wouldn’t let him go into the room evidentially and he went and got his little boy and they arrested this father.
Alan: We are in compulsory indoctrination times and that’s what it is, compulsory indoctrination. They have so many
young boys now drugged with Ritalin and so on, and of course now they’re going a step further and blaming bad genes,
bad gene mixing, so they’re back into eugenics big time. It’s never gone away really and there’s more things to come
because the system that they’re bringing in is a scientifically managed system. It doesn’t mean the sciences are true or
correct, but as long as the ones who implement it believe so, they’re going to force it on the public, including annual
psychological evaluations with the mandatory treatments to follow. We’re going into their beautiful utopia, which is a
hell for the people, but if it worked it would be a utopia for the elite who rule the world. What they do not want is free
thought. They’re doing all their best to stifle it and making it illegal to even ask questions on certain topics and when
that happens you know you’re in trouble and trouble is coming. However, it also means that they’re starting to break
when they start to use violence on people and try to forbid from using their own minds and inquire into anything they
want to inquire to. There’s trouble when they have to come out with the batons and handcuffs, and so that’s their weak
link. They show the brutes as they are and that does not gain public support. They’ll go through the same old techniques
like the robots they are and they’ll try to bash it into the public eventually, but that will fail. That will fail and that is
their weak link. They cannot bring on everything that they want to bring on simply by indoctrination through movies
and plays and so on and documentaries. It comes to the time when they come out with the big stick and that’s when the
public see them for what they are.
Jackie: When they overstep their – when they get as blatant as they’ve become.
Alan: They’ve been preparing an internal army for years. They’ve building it up for years for when they pull the plug on
the economy, what’s left of it, and I think they’ll do it once the job over in the Middle East is over. That’s the last task
that the U.S. has to perform before it then must succumb down into the system that it helped create, and so this is a very
old plan and the U.S. was born for this. Even Benjamin Franklin said it and Jefferson. They both made the same
statements about the United States: What is it to be? He said “a light for the world and he said I can envision a World
Federation run by 12 wise men,” which is right out of the Kabbalah. Jefferson said the same thing and that’s exactly
what they signed in 1941 with the North Atlantic Treaty Pact, was that the United States system of a federation would
be basically forced on every other country in the world. That’s how far back it goes.
Jackie: You know the thing that amazed me to find out and I got it out of that history – anyway, where every single war
that the U.S., that the American people have fought in, have been to get more territory. Meaning the islands and
everything, everything and they said it right in the book. Again, it’s empire building, Alan.
Alan: That’s why you have an Empire State and you have a big obelisk there called a skyscraper, which is the Empire
State Building, but no one ever thinks well what empire are they talking about?
Jackie: That’s right.
Alan: It’s World Empire, of course it is, and back in the 1960’s the CFR and The Royal Institute of International Affairs
(which has a branch in every British Commonwealth country, and in Canada it’s called the Canadian Institute for
International Affairs), they held a meeting in London to discuss which country would promote the global culture for the
coming years. They decided then, okay, that Hollywood primarily and America would promote the system of culture
creation for the world, so they are the culture creators.
Jackie: But we didn’t know that we were going to be controlled by those who call themselves Jews.
Alan: Well, they’ve always been in that business.
Jackie: Yes, they have, haven’t they?
Alan: Of “entertainment,” as they call it, and it’s old as can be.
Jackie: Well, it goes far beyond entertainment, Alan.
Alan: All entertainment has always been this way. We don’t realize it. When a person is being given a lecture, for
instance, if you’re sitting in a school you have the ability to accept what you hear or parts of what you hear and disregard
others. That’s your mental censorship kicking in, your ability to think for yourself, but that guard is not up when you’re
being entertained and so the ideas expressed in the movie or the play penetrate past your guard and go into your
subconscious, and then you and your life will start to emulate in certain situations that you’ve seen portrayed. You will
emulate what you saw and behave in the way that you saw the people behave in the movies and that’s easily done
nowadays.
The Tavistock Institute where the main advisors for the Coronation Street Series, which began in the 1960’s and is still
ongoing, and on that series back in the ’70’s they showed you the intermarriage, the troubles between incoming people
from India and the mixing and so on, and the characters portrayed the parts well and when the real thing actually
happened the public acted in the same way. They saw how the actors had handled the situations and they emulated what
they saw. Everything that you see under the guise of entertainment is actually conditioning. Plato said that about 2,400
years ago. He said the traveling players that come to Greece it was mandatory that the whole city had to attend, each
person, including the slaves, had to attend these shows at least once for every traveling troop because he says that’s
where the culture is given to the people. That’s where the changes in the culture are given to the people and even he said
the fashion industry – industry was the word he used, it gave them the fashion and he also talked about the music and
how important it was to indoctrinate the young. This is an ancient technique that’s been used for thousands of years and
a fantastic example of that was on the CBC news tonight and it was from Britain, where the store keepers are now
banning teenagers who wear those pullover running tops with the hood on it.
Jackie: They call them “hoodies.”
Alan: Yes, and that’s where you get the word hoodlum. People don’t realize this is an old technique they brought back
in fashion for today.
Jackie: Why are they banning them?
Alan: But of course through this whole thing they didn’t tell you–
Jackie: But why are they banning them?
Alan: Because they’re having so much crime with people putting up their hoods and going into stores so the camera
can’t recognize their faces. They put their heads down and of course they’re standing there with the baggy pants with the
crotch down to their knees and these sweatshirts on with a hood on it, and over the conversation you hear the rap music
going. The jungle music and of course not once did they mention where the children all got this fashion from or where
their ideas came from; and of course it’s much music. The BBC gives it to them. Therefore, the elite give you the
problem and they come out with the solution, which is more laws and ways to behave and more checkpoints on the
streets and so on. That’s so typical. They give you the problem. If they wanted to make ballerina costumes very trendy
for masculine males, they’d do so. They could do it.
Jackie: Yes they would and I just heard our one-minute warning so we’re going to have to wrap this up tonight. Thank
you so much for being here with us. Alan, thank you so much.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
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Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
May 25, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Wednesday. It’s the
end of our broadcast week here and is the 25th of May in the year 2005. Alan Watt is with us tonight. Alan, thanks for
being here tonight.
Alan: Yes, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: So what’s up?
Alan: Well, I guess there’s a lot guess up because there’s so much going on that I think everyone’s concerned about the
ID card coming out.
Jackie: Well, I would hope everybody’s concerned, Alan.
Alan: Some are; but I think the ones who are usually watching what’s happening, they understand it. The rest of the
public of course are either oblivious to it and therefore they’ll accept it quite calmly as it comes along, as they would
anything else. With the biometric scan, they really introduced that when they introduced the driving licenses in a lot of
places. That was the same thing with the biometric reading of certain points in your face so the computer can then
recognize anytime.
Jackie: I think Georgia has already done it.
Alan: Quite a lot of places have done that already.
Jackie: What are they doing in Canada?
Alan: The same thing. It’s the same here, the same everywhere.
Jackie: I know, but are they requiring the biometrics?
Alan: They have for the driving license for quite a few years now.
Jackie: Okay, what are the biometrics? Are we talking fingerprints? Are we talking retina scans?
Alan: No. The driving license up until now has just been the actual biometric photograph – the computerized
photograph.
Jackie: Oh, the digital thing?
Alan: Yes. It does do certain geometrical patterns between points in your face so they can recognize it again once the
computer’s broken it down, so that’s been here for quite a few years and in Britain as well as everywhere else.
Jackie: How do they use facial recognition? I mean what’s the deal with these?
Alan: Apart from the fact the computer literally breaks down your face into numbers really, it’s tiny little numbers,
zeros and ones, binary code, they also take points between your cheekbones; the distance between your eyes. All of that
thing is being measured as that photograph is being taken.
Jackie: And what is the purpose for that?
Alan: I think the purpose of it all was to get us all used to it, so that when you move into the next stage of the ID card
itself it’s no big deal since you’ve already got that photograph already.
Jackie: I know. But what I don’t understand is what’s the big deal measuring the distance between our eyes et cetera, et
cetera?
Alan: It’s a certain distance when you get your photograph taken. There’s a certain distance between you and the
camera, which is computed into the whole thing, so that they can positively identify you even if you’ve had some facial
features altered for instance.
Jackie: Oh, I see.
Alan: They can still measure between the eyes.
Jackie: Let’s say if you had nose job or something or even a face-lift or something?
Alan: Or a chin implant. They can still take the rest of what’s left and still positively say that’s still that person.
Jackie: Do you think it’s true that we all have doubles? Do you think there’s anybody else exactly like somebody else,
exactly?
Alan: There are some like that, absolutely, I know that for a fact.
Jackie: Okay. How do you know that for a fact?
Alan: I met someone who thought I was the other person and it was the oddest thing that ever happened.
Jackie: Did he talk funny like you? I’m teasing.
Alan: I don’t know but I’ll tell you, listen to this little story. I had come down from Inverness in Scotland down to
Sterling this morning, that one morning, and had brought a girlfriend down with me. I got off in Sterling and a woman
shouted my name and she said Alan and I said who is this woman? She obviously knows me and then she said Alan and
then I still stood there with a puzzled expression and she said, Alan Watson. I thought well she’s so darn close she must
obviously know me somehow and it turned out she was the next door neighbor of this guy called Alan Watson, who was
married that lived next door to her and had just left that morning on a trip up to Inverness. I had just come down from
Inverness.
Jackie: And she saw you there with another woman.
Alan: Yes and she would not believe – I mean she still wouldn’t believe me and she came right up to me too and she
still thought I was this other guy.
Jackie: And he did talk funny like you then?
Alan: I guess he must have.
Jackie: Well, he was from Scotland.
Alan: That was weird, though, but that did happen. It was the oddest thing.
Jackie: Yes, especially so close to home. Well, I was reading an item today about again this real ID and some woman
wrote I think a doctor but they’re talking that this – see, I went through my files, Alan, and this was from last year in
October and it had something to do with one of their intelligence bills they had passed. This article told about the
national ID that buried in that that was passed last October, but that’s where all this biometrics and things. Because see, I
haven’t seen anything about it in his Conference Report that I wrote. Well of course, the thing is they have given the
Homeland Security the authority to add any requirements that he wants to and you know there’s something in this thing
about building a wall or something in San Diego for illegal aliens to stop them. I don’t know what it’s all about but it’s
something about building a barrier 17 miles or something and the Homeland Security Czar has total authority over this
too; and in the process he has the right, the authority, to just bypass any laws that are in force whatsoever. There’s got to
be a lot more to this than I am reading in this report.
Alan: It is a totalitarian position this man holds. He has all rights to do everything he wants basically.
Jackie: I want to remind our listeners of this. The New York Times featured, this was not long after 9/11 when they
came out with the restructuring, you can read that in the Homeland Security section by the way. What do they call it?
The 21st Century what – the plans for restructuring? Anyway, the New York Times did like a graph. Not a graph, a
flowchart like if you’re doing a family tree. What do they call that?
Alan: Genealogy.
Jackie: Okay, but this is the U.S. government and what they showed the pecking order. They showed the president.
Underneath the president they showed the Homeland Security Czar. Underneath that, a big line, there was FEMA and
underneath FEMA there was every single department and office in the U.S. government. So the Homeland Security
Czar would have authority over the FEMA director and of course the puppet president would do whatever he does. But
the thing is, where they showed the U.S. Congress was up in the top left corner of this thing on the page and it wasn’t
connected to any feature at all, not one part of the structure of the U.S. government.
Tell our listeners about your books.
Alan: What I’ve put in these books, the first two are basically a sort of gestalt type of education into all that’s happening
around you, which you don’t really see in a sense. You see them on an exoteric level. I show you the esoteric and it
helps to get the reader to participate in what he’s reading because you’ll find that certain cogs in your brain start to mesh
together and start making sense of what’s really going on. The third one goes into the religions, what was behind the
religions. [See www..com for ordering information.] You’ll find the same esoteric story is contained within every major
religion known to the high priests in every major religion, whether it was Judaism, Brahmanism, whatever. It’s all the
same at the top and of course the world has been run, as they say in the Kabbalah and other major books out there, for
6,000 years with the Great Work as they call it commencing around 4,000 BC. The Great Work was to take over the
world and perfect that which was left imperfect, and by that, they mean perfecting wild nature into nature which they
can control through science and ultimately restructuring man, rebuilding man and woman in the way that the scientists
deem fit for their purpose and that’s what’s called the Great Work. Of course, as we all know with the talk of brain
implants, which they do have ready to go, and cybernetics to create people for special jobs, various tasks and so on, and
actually cloning thrown in there, you can see that that’s where they’ve been heading for all this time. The complete
reshaping of the world in which we live through the understanding of nature or science and the rebuilding of human
type specialized beings, which the elite will deem necessary for the elites’ survival.
If you go into Charles Galton Darwin’s book (the grandson of Charles Darwin), he wrote a book in the 1950’s called
“The Next Million Years” and he said there was simply too many people from the working class types, the lower classes
as he called them, and they wouldn’t be necessary in the future which science had already mapped out; so he said they
had to start eliminating the lower gene pools which they didn’t need and the rest would be altered for specialized jobs to
serve the elite. He himself of course believes he was one of them; and he said, we the elite will not be altered ourselves
because we are steering the ship, we are guiding the ship and we need our survival capabilities in order to take the world
where we want it to go, whereas the rest of the people, the workers, will not need that ability in their brain, that part of
the brain that gives you your survival capabilities, because the State will be taking care of all of their problems for them.
Of course in a socialized system, which is almost worldwide today, you’ll find that most of your problems – actually
most of your decision making is already taken care of by governmental departments and what you’re left with is sort of a
narrow avenue where you can still use self-will and make your own decisions. The rest of them are really made for you
and in fact you’re born into their system where debt, the owing of debt, the paying of debt, all of this stuff has already
been done by previous generations. According to Jefferson, and the Old Testament, anyone born into a debt is therefore
a slave. Charles Galton Darwin in his book “The Next Million Years” actually said that. He said, “every type of system
in this civilization has been based on slavery and we are simply making a more perfect form of slavery.”
It isn’t that your system is changing. The fact is: it was never your system. You were simply born into a part of it you got
used to and the true owners are simply upgrading their system to the next phase. I go through this in my writings and I
quote other authors too who were part of the same structure and what you find is that pretty well every major event in
your lifetime that’s happened to any country in the world, you’ll find that these major events were planned long before
you were born. They were discussed by very high-level groups of very wealthy people and you’re simply living the
script. It’s no accident that today into this new millennium we kicked it off really with a completely different structure of
totalitarianism coming in, in order to ram through the “scientific socialism” as they call it down our throats under the
guise of terrorism.
Jackie: I’m back here, Alan. Did you want to continue with your train of thought there?
Alan: I pretty well came to it. I was telling the people that all the major things that are happening now and have been
through their lifetime were actually planned.
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Jackie: Well, I’ll tell you what you said today that you would like to ask Alan, because you are not a stupid person as
we both know, but you’ve been uninformed and you said that you would like for him to give you maybe – for the person
who is just waking up. How did you put that, for the average Joe?
Tim: For the blue-collar guy.
Jackie: The blue-collar guy. You ask the question, Tim.
Tim: I think my question was, Alan, what are the top five things that you would tell a regular old blue-collar person
who’s just starting to wake up? What would you want them to know?
Jackie: Okay, Tim, the way we’re set up here you have to listen off air, honey. Off the phone.
Tim: I’m on internet because I couldn’t make out WWCR.
Jackie: Okay cool. Well, you’ll be able to hear his answer. Check it and see.
Tim: I’ll try tuning it up and see what happens.
Alan: Well, the first thing he’s got to know is that if you’ve classified yourself as blue-collar, you’ve already put
yourself in a category. Everyone puts themselves into a pre-made category in the system because the entire system is
fake. There’s nothing natural in the system.
Jackie: Would you repeat that again in case Tim wasn’t able to hear it yet?
Alan: The first thing is not to put yourself into a category, whether it’s blue-collar, white-collar or whatever.
Jackie: In other words, don’t label yourself.
Alan: Yes, because that’s what they want you to do is have a certain impression of who you are and that’s all that you
are and here you are in this level, and of course that keeps you submissive really to the system and to the ones who
actually run the system and puts you in an inferior position. By rights, everyone who’s born technically is a sovereign
unless they give it away and you give it away unknowingly through the labels that you allow to be put on yourself.
Jackie: In other words, calling ourselves a democrat, a republican, a conservative, a liberal, a this, a that.
Alan: Left right, whatever.
Jackie: Left, right.
Alan: Up, down.
Jackie: Okay, thanks. That’s wonderful.
Alan: That’s the first part of it. The second part is that when a person wakes up to the beginnings of it all, they think that
the system that they’re used to has been taken over. In reality the system they were born in was created for them by the
elite and it had a purpose to serve and the same elite are simply upgrading their system to the next part and you’re not
comfortable with it because you’re just simply not used to it, because this system has been fake from the beginning. It’s
all based on money and a form of slavery, which, with the use of money, is more hidden. It’s sophisticated, as Charles
Galton Darwin said, but when you end up paying 40 percent or more of your earnings back in taxes openly and hidden
taxes and property taxes, you are in fact simply a slave who is feeding himself, clothing himself and making sure he can
get to work. Whereas in the old days they had slave masters who had to throw the clothes at you and once in a while a
pair of shoes and so on. Therefore, it’s a more sophisticated form of slavery and we have to ask ourselves if that’s why
we’re here, to serve?
Jackie: In other words, the whole like American dream I could relate this to myself that it isn’t – the dream was given to
us and the system that we’ve been living in, as you said, it’s a system that has – it’s a controlled system in other words?
Alan: Totally.
Jackie: Totally controlled in every aspect?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: In entertainment; in fashion; in religion; in education; and history and everything that we ever thought we knew.
Alan: That’s right and it also alters what you think of as purpose—purpose in life—because really you’re confined to a
very narrow channel, as far as what you think are free choices, because all the other choices really have been made for
you before you were even born. The system is already in effect. The debt system is already there. You’re born into
owing a debt that you did not incur and that’s how the slavery system works in the Old Testament. If the debtor who was
in bondage to pay off a debt had children while he was still in debt, then those children then belonged to the slave
master as well. That’s traditional. That is traditional and so as Jefferson said, “if a generation is born owing a debt
incurred by a previous generation then those children are actually slaves.” This is well understood by the ones at the
top.
Jackie: And you know that’s a tough pill to swallow and people who’ve listened to the broadcasts with you for a long
time they’ve got it or they’re beginning to get it. They’re in a stage of getting it. We all are but I know for myself when
we first were – well, when you and I talked for about six months before you even came on the air with us and you’ve
been coming on the air off and on since then, but when I finally got it that everything that we thought we knew was a lie
and all of this wonderful American dream. This is the greatest country in the world. We’re free. We have a Constitution
et cetera, et cetera; it was tough, Alan, and I went through a period of disorientation that was incredible where
everything looked foreign to me. It was almost as though I were in another world or something, and so I want to say this
to Tim and to any of our listeners who are fairly new and if you don’t have, if you haven’t ordered, Alan’s books, I’ll tell
you what folks, it will take you a long way into what we’ve been talking about over the past several years.
Alan: It’s interesting too because the third thing you’ll find is that you go through a death, a form of dying, and you go
through all the process of it when you find out that democracy is a big lie and that you really have no say in anything
because everything has been decided by people you’ll never meet or even know of. You go through the same stages of
depression and so on as any other death as you let go of the old and begin to see what’s really there, so that’s probably
the third thing that happens.
The fourth thing to do, I would definitely say, is to get a hold of some old books by people like Bertrand Russell who
worked for the establishment that planned the future because the world is just one big business plan.
Jackie: And this would be the more recent past?
Alan: Yes. He wrote a book to do with education and how the conditioning process would be worked on the minds of
the young and in such a fashion that the parental input would be null and void because the indoctrination from
kindergarten onwards would be introduced in a very scientific way and it would really take hold of in the minds of the
children, so that when they went home at night, no matter what the parents said, the children would take the
indoctrination from the school as a priori in their dealing with things. That book he put out back in the early 1900’s from
his own experimental schools that he was given permission to set up in Britain is called “Education and the Good Life.”
That was the title of it and the other one he wrote was “The Roads to Freedom,” and in both of those books he goes
through the whole future. We’ve actually seen it occur since then and he was part of the planning committee for British
Royalty and nobility. He’s Lord Bertrand Russell and he saw nothing wrong in the small elite, the intellectual elite and
the scientific elite having the right to dominate the world and all the people in it.
Jackie: What would the title of that book mean to him The Roads to Freedom”? Freedom from what?
Alan: They’ve always been terrified of the masses. That’s why you have such incredible amounts of entertainment and
hobbies and sports and so on to keep everyone occupied and to get rid of any angry tendencies that can be played out on
a field. They’ve always been terrified of the people actually truly being awake and seeing what was really going on, so
they’ve always been terrified of the masses and quite rightly so; because if the masses could understand what’s been
happening to them and what is happening to them today, I wouldn’t like to be in the shoes of any of the elite.
Jackie: And they wouldn’t like to be in their shoes either, would they?
Alan: That’s correct and that’s why they’re spraying the skies. They’re killing off people. They’ve gone too far to turn
back now. They can’t come out and admit what they’ve been doing, but the signs are all around us – apparently even the
UN has come out and admitted that the leading cause of death now is bronchial problems and pneumonia. They know
what they’re doing and they can’t come out on any media and tell you this now. They’ve gone too far. The sperm count
in the West is down by 75 percent. In other words, men are three quarter sterile from what they were in 1950 and it’s
about time the UN comes out next month and tells us the next statistic because they do it every year. Their plan is
working and now of course with the next phase they plan – Bertrand Russell goes into this whole thing from the early
1900’s, that they would create different types of humans for specialized work and he goes into it in a book called “The
Impact of Science on Society.” He outlines all of this cybernetic type genetic manipulation and the need to eradicate
again the part of your brain (for the masses, that is) which leads to your survival capabilities. It’s your survival
capabilities they’re worried about. If they were working, you would know what’s happening to those around you and
yourself.
Jackie: What part of the brain are we talking about?
Alan: Basically it’s the part where all your intuition is based.
Jackie: Is that the right side?
Alan: It connects with them but it really is – they call it the primitive part. I mean all animals should have that. All wild
animals have it because they can sense what’s going on and it allows them to survive.
Jackie: But you said one time that for example and I always forget whether it’s the left or right side. One side is logic,
knowledge et cetera, and the other side is creativity, intuition. Which side is which?
Alan: The right is emotion and so on.
Jackie: The right is right. Well I could remember that then.
Alan: But all parts of your brain are still connected to that part which is your basic survival center and that should
connect with both so that both sides can go into action and save your life. However, if you notice today, people are so
passive and nothing is bothering them really, most people, and they don’t even complain about the cost of gasoline; and
when you see dictatorial measures taken to take away all rights and freedoms, really amongst the majority of the public,
there’s no real problem with it. Well, that’s not natural you see. Plato went into that over 2,400 years ago. He said that
we domesticate animals to eradicate their wildness and their survival capabilities. That’s what a domesticated animal is.
It’s placid and tame and it doesn’t have the intuition of its impending doom, you might say, and of course that’s what he
suggested they actually do to people: Breed them the same way and breed out the aggressive tendencies which would
allow them to be free. This is well understood. It’s been discussed by many think tanks over the last 100 years or so and
they’re actually implementing it through scientific methods.
Jackie: I think it’s important for our newer listeners when you say okay this has been implemented over the past 100
years. It is just another phase of a system that has – but it takes itself in cycles, it seems, Alan.
Alan: A long time ago the Egyptians had the diet of the slaves down to a very fine art. They knew exactly what to feed
them, what not to feed them, to make them obedient, sluggish of thought but efficient enough to work. Not too fit and
healthy so they could run off, so this has been tried by the Egyptians. The East India Company also used those
techniques in its plantations. Malthus, who wrote the Treatise on population and population control, also wrote a book
about feeding certain things to the people so they’d be sluggish of mind but very obedient.
Jackie: And so did Charles Galton Darwin.
Alan: The same thing. Of course, now we see that they’ve gone for the genetically modified food, which has taken over
everything; and Monsanto, who is one of the biggest producers of the modified food, one of it’s subsidiary companies is
called SEARLE Pharmaceuticals and they work with the parent company on the modified food. Now Searle Company is
one of the main leaders in psychotropic drugs for the psychiatric industry. What on earth are specialists who normally
make drugs (which tranquilize people) working with the food producers for? And I think the answer is pretty obvious to
everybody.
Jackie: Who was it that said, one of the people in the U.S. government, that they would spray–
Alan: That was Rumsfeld.
Jackie: Rumsfeld. That they would actually spray a Prozac-like aerosol in the air if there was another terrorist attack. Is
that what he said?
Alan: He was asked right after 9/11 and it was an American station, probably CNN, but they probably didn’t show it in
the states, there was part of it where a reporter asked him how are you going to deal with another strike in another city
where there can be widespread panic throughout the whole city? And he said we have plenty of aerosolized Valium and
Prozac which we can spray directly from the air which will calm the people down to such an extent they’ll be kept out of
a panic situation. When he said it, I thought well that’s probably what they’ve been doing all along in the spraying,
because if I was one of them and I wanted to bring the world through this incredible transition, where amongst the few
choices left you can at least your own mate to breed with and they want to stop even that from occurring, and so if I was
going make the people of the future, I’d modify them just as much as they’ve modified the food. They call it “genetic
enhancement”; if I was going to do all these massive changes, I would want the public to be tranquilized too. Of course,
it makes perfect sense that’s what they’re doing.
Jackie: We have number five to do before we go off the air.
Alan: Well, number five is when and it comes to everyone is when you re-access yourself and who you are and where
you stand in position with all those around you and you reshape all of your priorities, because they must obviously be
re-categorized. Everyone I think goes through the same stages right up to there, where you have to decide what really is
important to you as an individual with very limited choices really in life. Is it the material world that you’re totally
attached to? Or is there something else inside of you which will push you off in another direction or stand up and say no
when the time comes for you? It’s a decision time in other words you will come to. Most people will take the ID card,
which is only a precursor to the chip which is implanted and it’s already there. They’ve admitted that. Most people will
take all of this hoping they can hang on to those material things, their house, vehicles and all this stuff, and it’s a vain
hope because these characters have said in all of their books that the world that they’re creating with human habitat
areas, there will be no private property. There will be no private property. There will be no private transportation
allowed. That’s on the UN website, by the way, under those habitat areas. Even though you think you’re trying to save
what you have, you have to accept the fact that the people who are running this world, even if you take the card and then
take the chip, you’re not going to be allowed to keep that stuff anyway.
Jackie: You know what? I realized that when I got involved in this when it hit me and I said – my awakening was the
first Iraq war when they had Poppy Bush talking about the New World Order, a gentler kinder world that we’re going to
live in and the Iraq war which didn’t make sense at all to me why we were there. When it hit me it was just like a twoby-
four across my head and what I realized and there were people because you know I owned a business and it was
quite a successful business, a small business but it did very well, and the talk about me was and this was even in towns
around Springfield that I got the echoes of what was being said. Well, I heard she’s really gone off the deep end and
people – what I realized is if everybody was like me because the way I was then was – you know my girls were grown. I
was doing my business and taking tap lessons and my oil painting and playing Trivial Pursuit on Friday nights, et cetera,
et cetera, and I realized literally, like a light bulb, if everybody is like me, because I am a perfect example of the
problem, that nobody is going to have anything. I won’t have a business. Nobody will have a business and that was –
because I began to neglect my business. I just never went there anymore. I had people working for me, Alan, that I
didn’t even know and by the time I sold it I sold it for a pittance of what it had been worth because I had neglected it so,
but there wasn’t anything more important to me anymore, but I realize that.
The time does fly. We had a good half hour. I’m glad Tim called because the questions that he asked I think and your
number five, re-assess ourselves. What is our purpose? Why are we here and who are we? Know thyself basically is
what it is. Alan, thank you.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Thank you so much for being with us tonight, folks.
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” (Solo)
Alan: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. This isn’t Jackie. It’s Alan in case you’re wondering. I joked with
Jackie earlier that maybe the spray is affecting everybody and we’re getting too much hormonal treatment
coming from the skies, but no, it’s me Alan Watt. I’m standing in and today is the 30th of May 2005 and I
think it’s the end of the Memorial Day in the United States of America.
In Canada we had our version of the same thing a couple of weeks ago and it was rather sad to see all the
footage from World War I and II and then the Korean War; excerpts which had never been shown to the
public before because it would have been “bad for morale” as they say. What you see are battlefields just
full of bodies from the First World War lying in formation as they went over the trenches just dropping in
line. One row after another and no one could ever persuade me that the generals did not know how to fight
this war and so they just continued for two or three years sending regiment after regiment up into machinegun
fire. This was definitely a population reduction program, which really worked very, very well for them.
Every town and village across the lengths and breadth of Britain has these monuments with thousands of
names on them of people that were often your ancestors just wiped out at the age of 17 and 18.
My grandfather went to World War I at the age of 15. He lied to get in. It’s just incredible to watch the
techniques used by the big powers to get us into battles and wars. They can lie to us so we think we know
what we’re fighting for, but we never really do. It’s not until 50 years later or more that we find out what the
real reasons of the wars were. What the real motives were? Who benefited from them? And of course the
history of warfare goes back for many, many thousands of years using the same techniques and when
money was first introduced by the Minoans who lived in the Aegean Sea, the Minoans are the precursors of
the Phoenicians and very probably they were the same people simply using different names down through
time. The Minoans live in beautiful island in the Aegean Sea. We know that because some of the remains of
their buildings are still there and they had every room hand-painted in fresco art, which is still beautiful
today. These Minoans owned the shipping lines of their day, the caravan routes across the Middle East and
elsewhere. They owned basically the whole economy of the Old Ancient World and they lived the life of
luxury in the Aegean Islands.
They also had connection to Egypt and we know that from the frescos which we can see on the walls, where
the young boys’ curls come down to the sides of their cheeks, which is a sign of youth, and the Egyptians
used the same symbols for theirs and very probably they used the same artist to do their frescos. However,
these Minoans left very little to us by knowledge except that apart from their luxurious lifestyles and the
command of the trade routes, they also traded factory towns wherever they went. They would take over
gradually through the introduction of money, which at that time was weighed and we can find the same
weighing of money going back to Sumer. The same scales were used. The same weights and measures were
used and these ancient merchant bankers literally were standardizing the weight and measure system across
the Old Ancient World. When they took over a town or a village by the introduction of money and then the
gradual lending of money, which led to interest, which then led to bankruptcy, they took over those little
areas, put their own men in as tyrants and created factory towns, and then had everyone working producing
things to pay off the debt; and this was going on 4,000 BC and probably longer.
We know for instance that the Egyptians traded with them. We also know that the people in the Levant
areas traded with them and we know that they had an island of Bahrain, which that was their half way place
where they brought in all of their goodies to sell. They could defend that little island and that way it was like
a bank into itself, heavily defended. Even the Sumerian tablets show us the island they had of Bahrain was
called “Dilmun,” heavily fortified and the people themselves in Sumer did not know where all the goods
actually came from at that time, but it’s thought they were actually being brought over from somewhere in
India.
We’re looking at a tremendous society in ancient times run by a small group of people who introduced
money everywhere they went. They introduced debt systems wherever they went. They introduced
gradually, through bankruptcy, slavery systems wherever they went and then we’re given to reason as to
why they disappeared. Their main religious symbol as far as we know was a battle axe and it’s the battle axe
of course we eventually see showing as the fasciae [fasces] of the Romans much, much later. However, in
between that time and the Romans, they changed their name to Phoenicians and moved into that area which
is now called the Holy Land and they ran their trading routes from that area.
We know that the Phoenicians did kill their first-born in times of trouble; they’d sacrifice their first-born
children. Only the nobility did this and thousands and thousands of urns have been dug up, unearthed
underneath the temples where they buried the remains of these burned children. It’s quite fascinating to see
the same symbology eventually go into the Old Testament because there’s hints, lot of hints at old Jehovah
demanding the first-born of every creature; and no matter how much it’s been scrubbed and polished, we
can still get traces of that thing happening within what we think of as the Hebrew people.
However, getting back to the money situation, the money was the key to pretty well all of the world’s
problems 5,000 BC and onwards. Without money you could not hire an army or train it or hold it and then
send it off abroad to fight for maybe years, and so whoever created the money ruled the army. What we find
is an ongoing succession of countries becoming empires by the introduction of money, living quite happily
with slavery systems as part of their system and we see them attacking countries which did not use their
money and would not allow the debt system to come in. They simply used countries they’d taken over to
invade them and force it on the people and this went on as they built up empire after empire.
The Greek Empire, which preceded the Roman Empire, had a huge effect on the Ancient World. Alexander
the Great – although he was Macedonian and the Macedonians, by the way, their language is directly
descended from the Phoenician tongue. Alexander had been trained by Aristotle who’d been trained by Plato
and then going back a whole bunch of trainers prior to that went back to Egypt, because these were the
Egyptian mysteries which were being exported abroad. We find that Aristotle was sent out as a “fisher king”
to train revolutionaries to take over more and more of the world. Everything that came out of Egypt always
ended up with people (students) setting up elsewhere and causing revolutions. Revolutions being the key to
the “Great Work,” as they called it, of taking over the world and making everything one.
Aristotle also was married to one of these international bankers of his day. His wife was the niece of one of
the biggest international bankers who lived in a so-called area of the Holy Land. He trained Alexander to be
a warrior. He trained him in the mysteries and he trained him to lead men and he also trained him that he
was a god, because in all the mystery religions when you work through them you end up finding out, my
God, you’re a god yourself. Alexander did what he was told and trained to do and he took over a good part
of Asia and the Holy Land of course and Egypt as well, and he was heavily, heavily funded from the banks
back in his own country and the banks of Greece. When he died he left a couple of his generals who started
dynasties in the countries which had been taken over. Ptolemy ended up taking over Egypt and becoming a
pharaoh, so the latter pharaohs were not Egyptian. They were actually Greek, right down to Cleopatra.
They had a tremendous import and export business in the Ancient World when the Greeks ran it and when
eventually it became too hot for the Greeks, they simply (the elite) moved and created Rome. Even though
we always think of the Romans as speaking the old Latin language, the elite of Rome through their entire
empire era spoke Greek amongst themselves because they were descended from the elite of Greece who all
claimed to be the descendents of gods. The Romans, of course, you’ll find in any history book that the Rome
Elite did exactly the same because they were the same people and they even dedicated temples to
themselves while alive and the people could go and worship their statue there as an actual deity, a god.
Constantine, even after he’d officially accepted Christianity, he himself was a member of the Mithraic cult,
which was a mystery religion, and others; and he in his lifetime after 365 AD he also set up a temple where
people could go and worship his likeness, his deity. Christianity did not put an end to the mystery religion. It
was still working in the open in 365 AD and afterwards.
The obelisks that you see in Egypt were a symbol – each one was a symbol for some aristocracy member
having reached a great height in the mystery religions and the obelisk was a phallic symbol of Apotheosis,
attaining godhood, having the power of a god; and it was always shown with the virile obelisk symbol and
that could even be used for a female. Cleopatra had one for her and other Egyptian queens prior to her.
You’ll find these obelisks, these phallic symbols from Egypt, some of them were taken to Rome. One was set
up in the circus. Constantine had his son go and fetch them, which is a great job in itself, and then of course
in about the 1700’s the pope of that day had it moved to St. Peters Square outside of the Vatican.
France also had one which they put outside their parliament building. Another one was taken and sent to
London where it stands on the banks of the Thames faced by the four major banks that rule Britain. Another
one was taken from Egypt and ended up in the park outside New York. It’s still there and we wonder why
would brand new countries send off to Egypt for obelisk symbols in an era of supposed Christianity; and
what it tells you is that the mystery religion not only co-exists with Christianity, it claims to have created the
religion of Christianity and it is behind it in fact. These obelisks were brought from a place which had an
empire; a world empire of its time, Egypt, and placed around the world in other areas.
There was also one taken to Constantinople where Justinian ruled the Catholic Church at that time. The only
new one which was built on any scale was the one to George Washington and we have to look at that very
carefully because why in this supposed what we’re told is all these Christians fighting for their new country
and no king but Jesus et cetera, et cetera and the propaganda we read coming out and afterwards of that
era – why would they erect an obelisk to George Washington? And the reason of course is that George
Washington was a member not only of the British Royal families, as you can find from Burk’s Peerage, the
official Queen’s genealogists, but most of the big figures that we know of that signed the Declaration of
Independence were terribly High Masons, freemasons of that era.
In the modern Masonic books they boast about the fact that they’ve been behind revolutions, that they gave
us the national and international education system and they do the planning for the future. Now obviously
these aren’t the little Masons on your street corner. These are the lower freemasons who think they know
what they belong to, but in the words of Albert Pike, who was the high chutzpa of the Southern Jurisdiction,
he was the Grand Master. He was actually called the Pope of Freemasonry. He said for the lower masons “it’s
not necessary that they understand what the symbols mean. It’s only that they think they understand,”
because freemasonry does not end at the 32nd and then the 33rd honorary degree. It goes way beyond that
and there are much, much higher sects and then you get into the noble lineages, the knightly images,
Aristocratic freemasonry where you now get into the real stuff of what’s really going on. You’ll find that these
aristocracies and these nobilities can trace the lineages back for thousands and thousands of years and they
only intermarry through the advice of the high priests who match them up genealogically with their wives so
that they can maintain, as they say, “the perfect breeding.”
In the newspapers over the last few years, they’ve been quite honest especially in the British newspapers to
inform us who these presidents are and their running mates too, and generally you’ll find that both of them
are related to the royal families. John Kerry actually had more bloodline connections in the royal families of
Europe than did George Bush and he has plenty enough. What we’re looking at here are families who have
been involved in huge business and banking going back for many, many thousands of years, right down into
ancient Greece and even Egypt.
When we look at Prince Charles, he made the famous statement that he not only goes back to the lineage of
David but he goes back to the days of Noah. Now supposedly these people are quite sane, so the
newspapers tell us, and yet they come out with these statements without any qualification to the public and
we let it pass, even though they say it with a straight face; but when you really do the digging, you’ll find
they’re telling the truth. At least to the fact that they can trace their lineages back for thousands and
thousands of years.
If you go back to the Minoans, the earliest merchant bankers who owned the shipping lines, the ships
themselves and the trading routes going all the way to China and then passing it on to the Phoenicians and
then again the building up of the Grecian Empire, which then promoted it further and created a larger
empire, then the Roman Empire which took over a good part of the world. What we’re seeing is a step-bystep
enlargement of empires until eventually they’ve got to where they are now, which is the final step
towards world empire. The people who are up there in charge of all this have descendancies going all the
way back to all the ancient famous people of ancient history. That is not a coincidence. It’s impossible to be
a coincidence. These people are literally specially bred through their mating up of their partners to do exactly
what they’re doing.
If we jump even further back to Plato of Greece who lived around 2,350 years ago, Plato laid out the agenda
for world empire in a book called “The Republic” and if we give some background on Plato, he like all of the
aristocracy claimed direct descendancy from the gods. He was trained in the Grecian mysteries. He then
went off to do his studies like most of them did in Egypt and then he left to go to the Middle East, which is
basically Jerusalem, and from then on from studying the mysteries there he then went to India and then
completed his course there and came back to Greece, where he did exactly what all those before him had
done. He started his own mystery school up where he recruited the youth and he taught the youth the
methods of governance, of how to change the world, the direction they were to change the world in, the
reasons for it and sometimes to create revolutions. He also talked in “The Republic” of this perfect world
state to come, where “The Guardian Class,” as he called it, which today we’d say were the aristocracy, most
of whom we never hear about and see in public. These Guardian Classes have been here forever and Plato
said that they would have complete and total rule over the perfect world state. He said they were specially
bred for intellect. They were specially bred to have sensitivity – it was intellect but not softness, as he called
it, meaning they would not be terribly forgiving; and then he likened it to the ways that animals have been
bred already for thousands of years. He said, “we can breed domesticated animals with certain traits.” And
he mentioned the dogs, different variety of dogs. Some were bred with other dogs to create vicious types for
guard dogs. Some were bred for higher intelligence like the sheep dogs and so on. He said we can do the
same with people.
Now when he said that, you also get the clue that the Guardian Class that he’s talking about have also been
bred for that position. They can be ruthless when required. They can use intelligence most certainly. They’re
cunning but they have enough congeniality to get on with each other as the Guardian Class. When you
realize that priests even in the Christian era took over from the old mystery religion boys when it came to
mating up kings and queens and rulers by the same technique of going through their genealogies for certain
traits, then they could pretty well, as Plato said, like a good well-bred dog, he said you could actually breed
the qualities into a person and their offspring that you wanted. Therefore, if you got someone who was a bit
too weak or too kind, you would not let them be king, so you would breed them again and then get the
perfect one, the one who was aggressive. The perfect type of Alexander for instance who would go and
enjoy killing and slaughtering and yet still have a fairly high intellect. This is the Guardian Class that he was
talking about.
He then went on to say there’ll be a helper class around them who could be drawn from the lower classes,
which he called “the ITS”, the lower classes in his day were simply called “the ITS.” You were a non-person.
You were a thing. You were classed amongst the lowest animals and he talked about the need to breed
them the same way for specialized tasks and specialized functions. If you wanted people to be miners, you
would breed them small and squat and you’d match them up to wives that were the same. You would make
sure that they had good health. They were strong and robust and could withstand the dampness in the
mines and the conditions and they actually did that. They bred people the same way as you’d breed animals
for specific tasks by mating them up.
In the world to come that he talks about, he said eventually no one will be allowed to marry in the IT class,
the lower classes, without specialized permission, instead we shall selectively breed the types we need. And
isn’t it strange that here we are today where that science has been pushing so hard through genetic
engineering to get to that very step?
I hear the bell and I believe we’re going to take a break for a minute. I’ll talk to you later after the break.
I think there is a truism that you can never take sponsorship from any company or corporation without some
sort of, how do we say it – there’s a compromise always made and most of those on shortwave today are
heavily financed and backed by companies who sell various products, generally fear-based products which
you buy in emergencies and so on, and that is their outlet is a fear-based station or program which cries
horror and terror all the time. It’s good for business and people could do that, but Jackie has decided not to
because there are more listener questions involved here. Is it right to make people so afraid and then have
them buy your products out of fear? We should really think about these things and Jackie doesn’t want to
compromise what she has to say by bringing in a big partner.
If anyone wants to get in touch with me, I’m putting out three books which explain this ancient history right
up to the present time. I explain how the societies have been involved in the creation of religions, all
religions, and how they manage societies through mind control basically and that’s what religion was always
used for, still is.
Now we get back to what we were saying there about these amazing long, long genealogical lineages going
back, all the way back to Sumer – which tells us obviously that Sumer was not the beginnings of civilization.
It simply resumed that type, the system (I call it) of civilization from a previous civilization. We know that
6,000 BC and before, there were other trading groups called the Harappans who traded all the way from
India and all through the Middle East. These Harappans whose cities they’re still digging up lived very well.
They were definitely traders, very wealthy. They had hot and cold running water going through their
buildings. They lived better than many people of today live in fact and I think they simply transposed
eventually into the Sumerian culture because when the Sumerians sprang up, they did not learn or evolve in
their system. It was already established from all the different priesthoods who were also bureaucrats. They
were specialized bureaucrats or priesthoods. They had a monied system and a weights and measures
system. They had receipts which you could use at the local market and they’d bake it for you in clay in 15
minutes. They had a whole system of taxation, right to death taxes, in Sumer 5,000 BC. Nothing really has
changed terribly in this system.
If we look at Charles Galton Darwin, who was the grandson of Charles Darwin, and this particular Darwin
was a physicist working in England in the 1950’s, in his book that he put out called “The Next Million Years,”
he goes through this system. He says quite openly and honestly, he said that every system in civilization—
and that’s the key. They’re talking about their system, which is called “civilization”—every system has been
based on a form of slavery and he said what we are creating now in the 1950’s is a more perfect form of
slavery, where the average person will be unaware that they are actually a slave. This was to be done so
gradually and carefully and through various taxations et cetera and the burgeoning of bureaucracies that the
public would slowly step-by-step simply accept it. They would never really think about it and once it was in
place it’s almost impossible for most people to actually go back and find out how all this started, it was so
subtle and gradual. That’s what they’re talking about.
They took their basis for a slave system, in Charles Galton Darwin’s book, he took it from the serfdom of
England. Now England being England doesn’t like to use the word slave so when the Normans took over in
about 1266 they created a serfdom, which is a slave system for the inhabitants, and the serf was bought and
sold with the land for hundreds of years afterwards. The serf technically owned nothing. The little farmhouse
that he lived in was not his. It belonged to the lord, but he had to grow all of the lord’s wheat or corn and he
would be left with about 60 percent—in non-intensive farming, remember, 60 percent of his labor, his corn,
was kept to himself and to feed his family and his helpers; 40 percent went to the lord, which he generally
sold most of.
Now when you work out the taxation system today, it’s quite amazing to find out that through direct taxation
and hidden taxes the average Joe is paying 40 percent or more in taxes, so we are serfs and slaves, only
we’re better at it. We’re self-maintained. The slave master doesn’t have to throw us clothes or shoes or hire
thugs to watch us. They simply train us that we’re free and tell us that, and then we work ourselves and
what’s left we actually feed ourselves and clothe ourselves and buy vehicles to get to work; plus all the
licenses and insurance it takes to do that. He was quite right that we are living in a more sophisticated form
of slavery.
When we jump back again in time to Plato, because Plato out of all the mystery philosophers wrote much
more about this system that was to come, he said outside of the Guardian Class the helping class would be
consisting mainly of a military; a hereditary military. He said towards the end we will bring females into the
military and eventually these females will breed with the soldiers and they will have an intergenerational
army, who will know nothing except what they’re taught in the military and they will be apart from
civilization population. Of course, now we’re getting to the end of the whole thing and we see that
happening today, where they’ve already vanquished the differences between male and female. The women
are emulating the males and of course we’re finding more and more of these army people marrying each
other and having offspring, who then become members of the military. They are training people and
breeding them exactly the same way that Plato said they would.
Towards the end when they have the whole world system in place, Plato talked about the reductions of
populations by various methods including disease to reduce the excess which would no longer be required.
He said eventually they will have their utopia run by the Guardian Class who were technically a scientific elite
and he called it “The Natural Aristocracy.” The same term that you’ll find that Thomas Jefferson used
because he was an illuminati himself. They believed that they being the well-educated scientific types had
the right to dominate those less intelligent or uneducated and run the world through scientific means; and
that also meant running the people the same way, forbidding certain ones to breed, perhaps sterilizing
others, and this is almost where we are at today. Almost all of the program has been implemented and Plato
said eventually those who will be left (he’s talking about the lower ITS, you might say) would simply live with
a duty to serve the state. That will be your only function: a duty to serve the state.
From there we jump into the Rockefeller Foundation and all the other foundations and they’re pouring out
propaganda about the New World Order and what it’s supposed to be and my goodness it’s along the line of
Plato. No excess population. You will not be born unless they have a job to put you into and they also talk
about the specialization through breeding for specialized tasks. Now we’re hearing that the future laborer is
going to be a cyborg, part machine. They definitely will be unable to think for themselves because they will
have chips installed which will be connected to regionalized computers, which will direct their work for them,
and this is all pretty well out in the open for anyone who wants to look at it now. It’s called “social
Darwinism.” It’s the perfect society for the elite, where they don’t have to use media, novels and nice
stories to persuade us to go along a certain direction. They simply will have the right to make us go along in
the direction they want and leading eventually of the annihilation of individualism. Individualism is their great
enemy, that’s why they want to destroy that part of the brain, as they’ve said in so many writings, that gives
you your ability of being an individual, of even perceiving yourself amongst others as a distinct living entity.
They want to destroy that through chemical means and various other means.
Arthur Koestler who worked for the United Nations on this very project of how to lobotomize that part of the
brain which he called “primitive,” but it’s the part of the brain that gives you all of your individual survival
capabilities. He said, “how do we destroy this to get world peace?” He said, “should we put drugs in their
water which will attack that part of the brain? Should we put it in the drinking supply or their food supply or
he said spray them from the air?” and my goodness, what do we find? They’re doing all of them.
Inoculations of course were also mentioned because inoculations, just like biological warfare, they can target
specific parts of the brain and literally burn them out. Now Charles Galton Darwin in his book again, “The
Next Million Years,” tells us that the elite themselves, the scientific elite, the natural aristocracy, will of
course leave themselves unaffected. They will not be lobotomized he said because it will destroy the survival
capabilities of anyone who is. Since they are the elite who will be guiding the planet he said we will need to
retain all those faculties; and so those women and men who they have deemed to belong to the natural
aristocracy, the super scientific elite, will remain unharmed. Of course, the food that they will be given won’t
be genetically modified as it’s been given to everyone else today.
Now this might sound shocking to people and it is the bad news. Of course it is, because you have to look at
the bad news to see what can be done about it, even for yourself, and that is the key to it. You can’t start
off a movement to try and save the world. You’ll find most people don’t really care or they’re too far gone
already with their inoculations and their lifestyle and their buying of the fast foods and so on and the cans of
the modified stuff. You have to save yourself first of all so you can think more clearly and you must try and
get those around you to do the same. People who can grow their own foods should be doing it, because
when you see that Monsanto has a subsidiary company called Searle and Searle Company is a
pharmaceutical company specializing for many, many years in psychotropic drugs for the psychiatric
industry. Now when the two of them are working together to make your food, alarm bells should be going
off and you say why would a company who specializes in various kinds of tranquilizers and anti-psychotic
drugs be in bed with these other guys to make our food?
Now that’s a simple basic question that everyone should ask and they should really know the answer before
they ask it because it’s obvious. Plants have grown drugs in the past. India thousands of years ago had a
huge slave population who lived on Soma. The drug Soma produced by a plant. We’re talking really about
opium. Plants are famous for creating certain drugs. Now when Monsanto spends years swapping genes
from various, various species of animals, insects and even humans to put them into these modern plants,
coupled with a psychiatric producing firm or drug producing firm, it’s rather obvious that these modified
foods are also producing certain drugs and these drugs are affecting people, who are losing memory. More
and more people are losing short-term memory, of all ages. Therefore you have to keep yourself alive and in
peak condition as possible by eating natural foods, which you have to grow yourself or get from someone
that you know has natural seed. There are some companies out there, which I’m sure Jackie will tell you
about when she comes back on the show as to where you can send for companies which sell natural seed –
the seed that has not been altered, as far as anyone knows.
Canada found out five years ago by accident that the Canadian population were the test rats for the modified
food and we got the news from England. It turned out that the government of Canada had entered (and
they’ve admitted this too) secret deals with Monsanto to test the modified stuff on the Canadians. Now the
Canadians here have a national healthcare system so all your healthcare goes into central databases in
Ottawa, so they can see immediately what health effects are causing on the public. It’s a great way of taking
data you see on your experiment and since the government admitted finally under pressure that we’ve been
eating this modified food for 10 years, and since governments always lie, you could probably stretch that to
20 years.
We see the effects around us. Those who are awake can see the sluggishness of the minds of Joe Average.
It isn’t their fault. You can’t blame them. They’ve been inoculated with God knows what and we can’t find
out actually what they have been inoculated with. They’re eating stuff that’s scientifically designed to slow
them down mentally. They’re not reacting to anything really, such as the gas prices skyrocketing. You’re
looking at a population that’s being tranquilized and then we find out all the spraying that’s going on is
adding to that. We are in the middle of a war and it’s a war primarily of the mind. This is the last war. It’s a
war for the mind and when the mind goes, any other war is gone. Forget it. The war for your spirit or
anything else goes with it. Therefore I’d advise those who can start a regime of healthy eating for
themselves by finding out who is selling organic foods, real organic foods, to go out and do it and start it
because you cannot waste time on this. When your mind goes you go.
Now this has been a rush in this hour to put out so much, but the point was a system was developed and
put into operation; a plan was hatched thousands of years ago to take over the world. The rabbis claim it
was about 4 – 4,500 BC that this “great plan” came down, as they called it, and was set into motion. The
Greeks said the same thing and therefore the reference to Prometheus is a symbol of this great light or plan
coming down to the high initiates who had put it into motion; and they hoped to have it all in place by what
they called the Age of Aquarius, which we are now entering into now. The Age of Aquarius they said for the
people it would be a sign of peace, love and understanding. Of course, the elites knew it for its deeper
meaning, which is: as Aquarius throws out the old water from his bowl, it’s the sea of life he’s talking about.
It’s the gene pool and of course the old man gets thrown out as they bring in the new. That’s what it really
means and we are living at that time when we’re about to embark upon the next phase, which can be
introduced very easily, they’re ready to do it, of enhancing genes as they say and then giving us a
completely cloned human being – who they will say is much superior intellectually and otherwise.
They are creating what the Christians would call “the anti-Christ” you might say, someone who believes he’s
god-like and he certainly will have an incredible intelligence. He’ll be charming enough to fool most people
and because the media will build them up to this stardom status, the public will believe that they should
follow this guy, this guy has got all the answers, but there won’t be just one of them. There will be many of
them and unfortunately the public generally fall for the massive propaganda when they create this type of
“superman” you might call it, so be aware that this is all underway. World meetings have been held over
many years about this very time that we’re living in and the strategies were all laid down. Thousands of
think tanks work on them all the time and we are about to see it come into effect and we are about to take
the brunt and we are the ones who have to be able to speak out and inform those who are uninformed as to
what’s really going on; so it’s not all black or hopeless. There are people out there who do understand what
must be said openly and we must also accept there will be a backlash against anyone who can put over their
knowledge to those who have none. This will definitely come.
That’s almost where we have to conclude tonight, I think, because we’re up against the bell. Tomorrow night
Jackie will be back with, you refreshed I’m sure, and we’ll take it from there. Thanks for listening tonight and
once again my name is Alan Watt and I thank you very much for listening. Good night, folks.
(Transcribed by Linda)
October 4th, 2005
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today
is Tuesday and it is the 4th of October in the year 2005. …And tonight, we have a guest. Alan Watt is with
us. I called Alan today. I was thinking that probably tomorrow night would be our last, and we could not
end this broadcast without having Alan Watt back one time, at least one time with us, because regardless of
the some times that he and I had our differences. We don’t always agree on everything. None of us ever
do. But there can be nothing that could diminish the information and the time and the love that Alan has
given. And because it is love. It is done out of love. His mission in his heart is to enlighten and awaken as
many people as possible. In every single broadcast we’ve done, Alan has done it on his dime from Canada.
And truly, he’s brought us out of the Dark Ages. He’s brought us out of the forest, so that we get a chance
to see the trees a little bit. So, I’ve invited Alan to be here with us tonight. And Alan, thanks for being here.
Alan: Yeah, it’s a pleasure. …And I do have three books for sale, going through the history, including some
of the ancient, ancient history of this system. And I go through it in volumes 1, 2, and 3. I tie it in with the
money system, present and past, going back thousands of years. And the agenda is all there basically. And
also, if anyone wants one or all of these books [see ordering information on transcript].
Jackie: …Alan, so we have little time left to share whatever it is that you would like to share with our
listeners. I’ve got three days next week. I have some thoughts in mind, that I would like to do. But, this is,
tonight is yours.
Alan: Well, I think really, for those that understand that there’s nothing new in this system, they’re simply
upgrading their system, that’s what we live in. It’s their system. It’s not ours. So there’s no real reason to
suddenly panic. Those things which we’re afraid of are generally change. And what we don’t realize, is, as I
say, they’re changing from that to which we’re familiar, which we think is our way of living. But really, even
that lifestyle was given to us as well. Our routines were given to us. Our training at school for certain jobs
and so on. Even marriage, pensions, retirement, everything. That was all part of their old system, and
we’re post-industrial now, so they’re upgrading it to the next step. When you realize this has been going on
for thousands of years, step by step, including the wars and the reasons for the wars, and the money men
behind it always, you know, then you realize nothing has really changed. The techniques they’re using are
the same. They have incredible sciences at work, because they never allow the general public to have upto-
date knowledge of what they really have at any time, you know. And they’re so far ahead of what you’d
even imagine as science fiction, that’s how they maintain their power. I have to laugh in a sense, when I
watch the troops going into different countries, and sure enough, you’ll always see a new style of rifle, or the
latest model this, or whatever, or the latest stealth bomber. And yet, all this stuff is obsolete, and it was
obsolete before the second World War.
Jackie: Like you were saying, earlier today, when we talked, they’re carrying the guns and heavy, heavy
bullets, and using gunpowder that’s been around forever.
Alan: Yeah. And so really, this is to make us believe, you see, that this is the latest, and that’s what they
have, but all of that stuff is obsolete. It’s us that must be kept in the dark, you see. It’s one reality for the
general population, another one for the CIA, and another one for the boys above them. There are always
three realities on the go at the same time. It’s almost like three computer programs running independently,
all fed the same data, but the second level is fed more and the third level is fed even more. So, that’s how
our reality is. And we do know, we all know what’s coming down. The changes are not hidden.
Jackie: We just don’t know how they’re going to pull it off, Alan. For example, you know, 9/11. And then,
you know, they have geared us to expect another “terrorist attack” and then they, it’s a “natural disaster”.
And last, this past week, the Discovery Channel has been evidently playing, and they played it more than
once, this is a three hour long thing called ‘Super-Volcano’. And it’s all about Yellowstone, and how it’s
about ready to blow. I’ve been reading articles about this for quite a while, you know, from the internet.
But they’ve already said that if this happens, it will disrupt the economy of the entire world. So, you know,
Katrina, first 9/11, then Katrina and Rita, and now they’re, now, see, they’re evidently, this is a big thing to
prepare people. And then, maybe they’ll surprise everybody and have a terrorist attack, again. See.
Because, that’s basically what people, and isn’t it telling that they can get us into that mode, where we’re
actually expecting.
Alan: Well, that’s what it’s about.
Jackie: Because they said it, yeah, it’s going to happen. We don’t know.
Alan: We’re being trained.
Jackie: We don’t know when or where, but we do know it is going to. It’s only a matter of time, and it’s
going to be much worse than 9/11.
Alan: That’s right. And so, see, they’re the shepherds, and again, we’re the sheep. And for the last century
or so, we’ve all been led into the same pasture everyday and we graze, and then they drive us back. But
now we’re getting driven into another pasture, you see. So, we’re being trained to go into the next pasture.
Jackie: And we say the prayers. The Lord is my Shepherd, he leadeth me into green pastures, he restoreth,
my cup runneth over, your rod and your staff comforts me. And, you know what, Alan, I was thinking of this
a couple of days ago. What in the world is the rod? The staff, that you said is for the sheep, because
they’re so stupid, that if they get into a corner, they don’t have sense enough to back out. So, they use the
crook there to pull them out. What is the rod for? Is it to whack them with?
Alan: That’s right. That’s what law is based on. If you ask any, anyone who’s into the law system, the legal
system, and government too, all laws are put out there with intimidation. That’s how people obey. It’s
mainly through intimidation. And for the few who won’t be intimidated, they will actually use force.
Jackie: Yeah, so we say a prayer, and say thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Alan: Well, that’s for the abused victim, who loves their abuser.
Jackie: Yes. And I’m glad. Thank you for really bringing that into my mind, because we do have new
listeners. And sometimes it’s something, certain things bear repeating. This is not to in any way invalidate
or denigrate Jesus. But what they gave us, that he is the Shepherd. They say that he, excuse me, I’m
having trouble spitting this out, obviously. He is quoted as talking about his lost sheep of Israel, and all that
stuff, and I remember a long time ago, you said, I don’t think he ever said that. Because the sheep is the
stupidest animal around. And he wouldn’t have called people sheep.
Alan: Yeah, and it’s only, I mean, sheep are domesticated animals. They’re not free animals, they’re
domesticated. They’re specially bred to be domesticated.
Jackie: And sheered.
Alan: And that’s their function, is to supply their master with wool and meat. That’s it. There’s no other
purpose for them.
Jackie: And then taking it back further, and of course, this is all stuff that you’ve already shared with us, but
these are things that we would of, I would have never thought about. Not even knowing it, or not noticing
it, the pictures of the ancient…
Alan: Pharaohs.
Jackie: The pharaohs with the staff in their hand, the crook.
Alan: Yeah, the crossed arms with, it looks like a little candy cane crook, because it’s a symbolic crook. It’s
not the long one. But that’s what it represents. You know the kind you hang on Christmas trees?
Jackie: Oh, yes. Oh, I’ve done that a lot.
Alan: That sort of. So, he holds the short one in one hand, and his arms are crossed, because he’s an
illumined man, and the crossed arms mean the illumined man. And he is the sun, in fact. And in the other
one, he has the club, basically. And sure, that’s the whole idea. You intimidate with threat of force, and if
that doesn’t work, you actually use force. And nothing has changed in the system, since that time.
Jackie: So, we see that the religions have so indoctrinated us, that we actually thank our keepers for the
abuse that we get, in a sense. We’re not praying to them, of course, but, I remember, Alan, you were
talking about the word, repent. Am I taking us on a track that you wanted to say something else?
Alan: No, carry on. I’ve got a train just passing by, so it’s hard to hear.
Jackie: Well, I remember you talking at one time about the word re-pent, and pent up, and how they used
to pen them, and would you share that with our listeners, who didn’t hear that explanation.
Alan: Could you speak up again?
Jackie: Yeah, when you were, this was a long time ago, when you were talking about the word, repent. Is
the train gone?
Alan: It’s just gone now, okay. The word was what?
Jackie: The word was repent. And about pent up and how they pent them up. Would you share that with
our listeners that didn’t hear?
Alan: Well, the ancients loved hunting, and the modern ones still do. A lot of these big boys that we see
behind the scenes, that appear, they love to go off to different countries and hunt. And in ancient times,
even in Greek times, they’d often go along the coastline in boats, and they would get little peninsulas for
instance, and they’d come in, like a five-pointed star, and work their way inwards, and they used nets to
catch the people, and net them, basically. And those people became slaves. But that was a form of sport.
And, of course, the pent is from the 5, number 5, the pent angle. And that’s where it really comes from, you
know. So, when we’re repenting, we’re actually in a sense acquiescing to become slaves once more, you
know. Willing slaves. But it’s nothing new. What amazed me, even looking at Sumer, and some of the
major cities in Sumer were obviously bureaucratic, because they had no fields around them, so all the
foodstuffs and so on came into them, but the frescoes on the walls were fascinating, because they showed
you these young people, obviously very healthy and happy, and obviously nobility too, with hawks. You
know they have the hawks on the wrist? And then you’d also see them on horseback, going after different
animals and deer and so on.
Jackie: Is a hawk the same thing as a falcon?
Alan: Yeah, it’s a type of hawk for sport. And they had falconers even in the Middle Ages. The Normans
brought that into England with them. And up until the 1800s, 1900s, that was still a popular sport with the
nobility. So, you find the same MOs all down through history with the nobility that was there 5,000 BC, and
of course, the Egyptian nobility were exactly the same. And if you look into the merchant banker class who
lived in the Aegean Islands, and the historians give them the name, the Minoans, they also had exactly the
same frescoes painted on their walls, with the hunting scenes and the sports and the falcons, and so on. So,
then we see it, as I say, coming into Europe in the Middle Ages, with this Norman class, who took over, and
still basically run the world yet, you know. They were a knighted nobility. And if you notice, even all your
top United States famous people, like Kissinger and so on, Schwartzkopf, in fact, even the mayor of New
York, after 9/11, they all went over to the Queen, and the Queen knighted them all. So, this is very
important to them to be knighted, in England, by the Queen. Because, we’re dealing here with a religion
that predates Christianity and most other religions, and it goes back to at least, at least 5000BC, that we’ve
dug up so far, and no doubt, there’s much, much more of it to go on beyond that.
So, if we go into the histories of other countries, like India, they go back into millions of years. And they
claim that this type of thing has been going on for millions of years. And I wouldn’t be surprised in the least,
because the techniques of controlling the minds of whole countries are so perfect, and they always have
been so perfect, that this was not a new science that they were picking up as they went along. They knew it
from at least Sumer onwards, how to take over countries, how to introduce this thing called money, how to
get people to marry young, to be a working class, who would then produce their goods, because these
bankers were also the merchant class, and they owned the ships and the trading routes. So, they owned the
whole system. It was a materialistic system, based on money. And once you have money, you can get a
standing army. Without money, you can’t keep a standing army together. Once you have it, you send it off
into the rural areas, and you conquer the peoples. And that is our history of the world. And right now, in
fact, the US is finishing off the last part, the last few countries, who haven’t joined the World Bank and this
system they call democracy, which has various definitions, if you look at it, you know. Actually, the
definition of democracy is pretty well the same as the definition of Communism. By the Royal Institute of
International Affairs’ own words, going back to the 1920s, and even earlier, when Cecil Rhodes was on the
go, and then Milner, Lord Milner took over from Cecil Rhodes to create a world empire. He defined
democracy for the Royal Institute of International Affairs. The CFR is the American branch of it, of course.
And he said the definition of democracy is a world where the individual is subject to the majority. In other
words, individual free will is a negative thing, and it’s unhealthy to the whole.
Jackie: But they refer to themselves as the majority, don’t they?
Alan: Well, they themselves don’t even classify themselves within that. They see themselves as a separate
race almost, you know. We are just the people.
Jackie: Superhuman race.
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: We have to take a break here. And I’m going to request, I talked to one of our listeners today, and
she said that the beginning of the broadcast last night was very clear, and then in her area, it just totally
disintegrated, so she couldn’t hear a word. And I would just request a couple of calls giving us a reception
report, if you would. Folks, we’ll be back, right after this.
(Commercial Break)
Jackie: …Okay, Alan. I missed our spiritual message this evening. And I had it laying right in front of me
here. And I would like to do that before we continue. This is from Matthew 5, beginning at verse 14, Jesus
said, “Ye are the light of the world. A city that’s set on a hill cannot be hid, and neither do men light a
candle and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick, and it gives light unto all that are in the house. Let
your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your father, which is in
Heaven.” Thanks, Alan.
Alan: I’d like to add to that little definition of democracy that Milner put out for this group actually that’s
running the world. When they defined it, they said, every individual, because they’ll have certain rights, will
also have a duty to serve the state. To serve the state. And that’s very, very important, because it puts the
state, this entity, in another category, apart from the people. And therefore the people do not create the
state. The state basically becomes your rulers. And you serve them. And that’s the definition that the
current CFR branch of the Royal Institute of International Affairs uses today. And it’s identical to the
Communist definition.
Jackie: So, when they say the State, it takes people’s minds off people.
Alan: It does.
Jackie: The state is an institution of some type, and forgetting that there’s a hidden hand that controls those
who are in the State, doing the dirty work.
Caller: Okay, Hello.
Jackie: Hello?
Caller: Okay, I can hear you a little bit. Yeah, I was going to say, you sound loud and clear, tonight. Very,
very clear.
Jackie: Thank you, Storm. How about last night?
Caller: You know, a matter of fact, I just came in about ten minutes ago. Now, as far as last night, I didn’t
get last night, because I was out.
Jackie: Okay, okay, thanks, Storm.
Caller: I will tell you this, something strange, is that, I’ll say this quickly. Early this morning, I was listening
to Radio Netherlands. And at the very beginning of the broadcast, when they were talking about Turkey
from the Netherlands, they came in very crystal clear for the first minute, and then approximately about 7:02
in the morning, Eastern time, that must be 11:02 UTC, okay, there was like a big fade in of distortion and
interference, not jamming, but like an interference, almost like you would think it was the atmosphere. And
all the sudden, about a half hour later around 11:30 or 11:27 UTC, that would be 7:27, UTC.
Jackie: Alright, hurry up, hurry up, Storm.
Caller: They started coming in again. And it’s the same type of similar thing that occasionally I hear on your
show. But not tonight, and not that much last week.
Jackie: Okay. Thank you, Storm. Thank you.
Caller: I’m not sure whether that was the government or what. Maybe they want to keep out something
with Turkey. I don’t know what that was about but it did seem suspicious.
Jackie: Thanks, Storm. Okay, bye-bye.
Caller: Okay.
Jackie: Alright, thank you, Storm. I was curious about last night, Alan.
Alan: It’s clear up here, too.
Jackie: Oh, that’s good, that’s real good. I’m glad to hear that.
Alan: But they’re using, of course, their technology, their jamming technologies and so on, because once
they have the next big panic, FEMA will be using that, across the country. We saw it used when they went
into Yugoslavia, and Bosnia. They flew aircraft. It was on the television. They flew special aircraft across
the country that jammed every radio station, and television station, and they could also, from the aircraft,
play their own propaganda programs directly into everyone’s television and radio.
Jackie: In other words, over-ride and interfere and intrude. Well, I understand that during Vietnam, the
technology existed also, because my friend Mel worked in communications. And he said, they could clear a
path. They could wipe out communications in any direction they wanted, so that they could send their own
signal. That was Vietnam.
Alan: And so, especially, it’s so easy to interfere with shortwave, because shortwave depends on the
ionosphere, which in part bounces signals off the ionosphere, so they can actually really play havoc with
shortwave.
(Phone Rings)
Jackie: Hi, you’re on the air. Hello? You’re on the air. Gosh. Okay, nobody there. Alright, folks, we’ll forgo
the phone calls, because there’s just something. We’ll just forgo the phone calls and thank you. I was just
curious. Maybe, I can talk to somebody who was listening last night, somebody else, somebody not in
Indiana, and maybe let me know. I was just curious. And I did not mean to interrupt this broadcast so
many times. Today, when we were talking, Alan, as I mentioned to you, my thoughts are so much and so
often on people, because on this broadcast we’ve talked about how important it is, if you can, get the heck
out of the doggone cities. Etc. And, I do know that there are people, now, who are in cities, who really
want to leave cities, and they don’t have the means to do it. And, of course, the economy is getting worse
by the hour, not by the day. And so, therefore, my heart goes out to them, and mostly that they aren’t
living in fear, and they aren’t living in some type of a box, if you would, feeling “doomed” or “hopeless”
because they can’t get out of the city. Because, hell, rural cleansing is going on right now, under our noses.
I don’t know how much time we have left, in the country. I wondered about rural cleansing, and how are
they going to move people out of the country. Well, our energy costs are just going up, just horrendously. I
had to go on budget for my heating gas bill, last year. And over the course of the year, it averaged out to
$191. Now, you’ve got a good five or six months there, where that bill is around $40. (Phone rings) And,
Hello, thank you, you’re on the air.
Caller: Yeah, hello. Yeah, this is something that I wanted to ask Alan Watt, and then I was going to hang
up.
Jackie: Okay, make it very short, Storm.
Caller: Okay, yes. You asked about how people are going to like leave the country, or whatever. I
understand there’s like some kind of detention centers around the country. What I was thinking is that, if
they wanted to get people in these detention centers to pull off this global New World order…
Jackie: They’re doing it.
Caller: …what they could do is have a nuclear blast where the radiation comes from the air.
Jackie: Storm, excuse me. I’m sorry, Alan. He wants to ask a question, but he just talks about what he
thinks. Actually, they’re doing it right now. All of those “evacuees,” they’re still living in those detention
centers.
Alan: And they’ve done programs here in Canada. They’ve shown on television, a lot of, now, it could be to
train us all, of course, which everything generally is. But they’ve interviewed lots of them who say they’ll
never go back there. And of course, that was one of the objectives, was taking them out. We also have no
idea how many have been removed out of there, and I certainly do not believe the figures they tell us for the
death rate. I think it was far higher.
Jackie: Oh, of course.
Alan: And they’re really playing it down.
Jackie: Alan, how would they even know?
Alan: Oh, they would know. Oh, they’d know. In a place like that, there were so many people, especially in
the poor areas, who were on welfare. They have records for everything, not just locally; they have back-up
systems, probably all the way to the Feds. They know everyone, their numbers and so on, and who claims,
who doesn’t, and who’s not claiming now. And believe you me, when FEMA moves people out, they don’t
just ask your first name. They get everything from you. So, they know how many they’ve moved out and
how many have died.
Jackie: One of our listeners called me last night, and had run into a gal from New Orleans, and said that her
home was totally safe. There was a tiny bit, evidently, of wind damage, maybe some shingles or something.
And she was moved out of her house at gunpoint. And she doesn’t know when she’s going to be able to go
back. They evidently claimed that they were going to let people start coming back, and then of course, Rita
came along. Now, she still can’t go back. She’s staying with friends in Pennsylvania.
Alan: Well, even Bush himself in one of his first speeches said, it will be a minimum of three years before it’s
habitable again. And of course, I’m sure, just like the fire of London, Christopher Wren had the plans for the
new, international London drawn up prior to 1666. They love three sixes there. And, luckily enough, along
came the fire, and they could put his plans into motion. So I’m sure they had the same plans drawn up for
the new city of New Orleans, a much smaller city, because the United Nations has said most of it will remain
as wetlands, and that’s been their spiel for the last few years. Before it all happened, a good part of that
city would be called wetlands. The new city, I’m sure, will be a small one for the refinery guys, for the new
refineries, which the taxpayers will build for Halliburton.
Jackie: And for the elite, only.
Alan: Yeah, and a few, you know, gambling casinos and things like that.
Jackie: Yeah, but I mean, for anybody who’s living there, I believe at least at this point, that’s their plan.
And there have been articles. There was a Wall Street Journal article, I think it was, Old Line Families Plan
the Rebuilding of New Orleans. And they’ve said, it’s not going to be black and there’s not going to be those
suppressed people, either it’s going to be white, or we’re out of here. And they are already laying out their
plans. Donald Trump had….
Alan: Oh, I’m sure all this was, as I say, designed before that hurricane hit.
Jackie: Well, think about it. This humongous building that Donald Trump is supposed to be building, that
couldn’t have happened. They couldn’t probably engineer and design a building like that in four weeks.
Alan: No, even the surveyors couldn’t go over it in that time.
Jackie: Exactly. And then the mayor there, what the heck’s his name. He’s saying that real estate is real hot
right now, in New Orleans. [Call] You’re on the air.
Caller: Yeah, but what about if the people have guns?
Jackie: I’m sorry about that.
Alan: But that’s the whole thing there.
Jackie: Well, they’ve taken the guns away from the people anyway.
Alan: They have been doing that down there. They showed that on the television here.
Jackie: Yes, they did.
Alan: They were going door to door. But that’s standard.
Jackie: Did you know that there was a judge that put a hiatus or a stop, well at least ordered a stop on the
confiscation of guns there? I’ve only got one article on it. It was a news article. And I don’t know if they
listened to that judge or not. It’s been, there’s not been a lot of news coming out of New Orleans lately.
Alan: No. Once FEMA took over, they did admit that all subsequent news coming out of there would be
controlled by FEMA. So, it’s almost impossible to get any truth out at all, at least the whole truth. So, that’s
the whole thing, with FEMA, it is all about containment and control. That’s what it was set up to do. So, this
is the first big exercise in containing and removing on mass, Americans. But it won’t be the last one. It’s
interesting too, that the Hurricane came in, and there’s a huge bridge going across the river there. The
Pontchartrain, which is the French for the Bridge of Katherine, you know. And then, when you look where
the hurricane came into Texas, you had, just south of Beaumont, you had SaRita, and I thought yeah, I
guess we can always tell by the names they give them.
Jackie: Oh. Katherine, Katrina, and Rita. Please repeat that, Alan, right from the beginning.
Alan: The first hurricane, Katherine.
Jackie: Right, Katrina.
Alan: Or they called it Katerina, same thing. And it came in, and where it passed over was Pontchartrain,
which in French means the Bridge of Katherine. They love bridges too, of course. But that’s the Bridge of
Katherine. And then, Rita came in just north of SaRita.
Jackie: Sarita?
Alan: SaRita, yeah. Just south of Beaumont, Texas. So, you knew it was going to hit Texas. So, the next
big one I think is to be called Stanley, and we’ll have to scour the map to see what state that is in, because
I’m sure that’s how they’re doing it. Ha, ha, ha. They love to put it right in our faces.
Jackie: Oh, they do, don’t they?
Alan: I’ll give you a good example. Canada, because Canada is a member of the commonwealth, the British
Commonwealth, it still has this strange system of having a Parliament, and a Governor General appointed by
the Queen. And they just appointed a new Governor General, and they gave her a Coat of Arms. The Coat
of Arms, by the way, goes all the way back to Charlemagne, it was copied after that in fact. They swore her
in, she’s the 27th Governor General, they swore her in on the 27th of September. The number of days, right
through the year, to the 27th of September was 270, and when they were swearing her in, the ceremony
took 11 minutes, and they showed the clock outside the Parliament building, exactly at 11 minutes past 11.
Well, 27, 2 and 7 is 9. And then you have the 11 after it. It’s 911. They just keep showing this in our face
all the time, you know. You couldn’t make this stuff up, you know. But they made a new Coat of Arms for
her, and the lineage on the Coat of Arms depicts the line of Charlemagne.
Jackie: What is Charlemagne?
Alan: It’s the dynasty that supposedly came up through and eventually were appointed by the Catholic
Church to force Christianity on the rest of Europe. So, he was the first officially Catholic appointed military
leader and king. And, of course, the Knights Templars are heavily involved with Charlemagne and all this
kind of stuff. But, yeah, he forced Christianity on behalf of Rome on the countries of Germany and France
and a few other ones, at the point of the sword. And in behind him, came the money boys. In fact,
Charlemagne, who was officially crowned by the Pope as the first Vatican sponsored king, Charlemagne set
up his first bank, in what later was called Switzerland. And it’s called the Bank of Zion. And the River next
to it is still called the River Sion. So the Priory de Sion, which is one of the high Templar groups, and still
based in France, connected with Switzerland, and they move money around the world, that’s their job, and
other stuff, goes back to Charlemagne. But it was interesting to see them making a coat of arms with the
two bears and the five-pointed starfish of Charlemagne for this new Governor General. You know, plus all
the mystic numbers they add into it. They do this all the time. There’s a whole language involved, every
day, and the people don’t understand it, don’t even realize it’s going on. But that’s how open they are.
Jackie: What do you know about this new Pope?
Alan: They haven’t said too much about him. He was in the German Army during World War Two. There’s
different versions of what he did in the German army. What you’ll find with most modern Popes for sure, is
that they have to have the right lineage to get in there. That’s the bottom line.
Jackie: I’ve received quite a few emails on this Pope, and I’ve put them in a file to read, and haven’t read